...for the Mets to stop this "Whoa is me" or "poor us" and win despite these injuries. As a fan, I am tired of it and if we can get through this, we'll be a better team for it.
Carrasco, Walker, Peterson...? If Megill can get back quickly, he'd only miss 2 more turns I would think...then you're ok I guess for awhile. But obviously this rotation can't withstand more bad news without some kind of move, which may happen now anyway.
But look. $43 million per year for this year and two more following, and he's 37 right now.
I know he's Scherzer, but I thought at the time it's a lot of money for a 37 year old, even though he's a 3x Cy Young Award winner.
The only silver-lining is this doesn't have anything to do with his arm, so maybe the fact that he and deGrom will really have low innings on them may be good for September and October baseball.
The bats are probably going to need to carry this team for the next few weeks.
Carrasco - Bassitt - Walker - Peterson - Williams is a big league rotation and hopefully Megill isn't too far off.
they do need to make sure they are giving themselves an option or 2 behind that group so they don't get eickhoff'd again.
also there's a silver lining here that JDG and Scherzer are now likely to save 10-20 starts, 75-100 innings, and 1000-2000 pitches on their arms this year in missed time.
on any 1 pitch any player can do what Scherzer did yesterday so better to have it happen now then later. Hopefully both can build up in August/September to be ready for October.
it's a good thing they have a 6 game lead in the division
Rest of the division stinks. Braves pitching has been disappointing and Acuna and Albies are off to very slow starts. Phillies have no bullpen or timely hitting. Its basically the Bryce Harper lineup.
Bassit probably the best, but he's not an ace, Carasco is inconsistent as is Walker, and Peterson is in the minors and doesn't have a great MLB track record.
not saying panic, but this 6 game led could be gone in two weeks and if nothing else it will speed up the decline
rotation after a month or two. Bats and bullpen are going to have to step up.
When your team signs/relies on pitchers that are older and pitchers that are coming off of injury...nobody should be surprised that the Mets find themselves in this situation.
they don't need to trade assets for a long term solution.
ideally there's someone with a $2-5m contract who a team would be happy to offload.
Mike Minor has been hurt to start the year and doesn't fit that description, but he can flex to the BP. He's making rehab starts but the Reds have enough SP options right now it's not obvious that they need his $9m. He's been a good targets for the mets for like 5 years running.
my God, the pitching depth in the upper minors is dreadful. We all knew that, but there are just no options. Montgomery is getting rocked in AAA. Best next option may be Butto in AA
Bassit probably the best, but he's not an ace, Carasco is inconsistent as is Walker, and Peterson is in the minors and doesn't have a great MLB track record.
not saying panic, but this 6 game led could be gone in two weeks and if nothing else it will speed up the decline
that's easily a rotation that you can go .500 with. They are 11 games over .500. Oakland won 86 games last year with Bassitt as their top pitcher. They can't win a WS with this rotation but they can easily go .500 for a few months waiting for JDG/Scherzer to get back.
They need Bassitt/Carrasco to keep doing what they've been doing. they've both pitched close to the same level as scherzer and that needs to continue. this would be a great 2 months for Walker to pitch like he did last year first half even if he tanks again after that.
RE: looking at the Mets organizational depth chart
my God, the pitching depth in the upper minors is dreadful. We all knew that, but there are just no options. Montgomery is getting rocked in AAA. Best next option may be Butto in AA
this is where trading dom for someone like paddack (i know he's hurt now so not him but someone like him) made a lot of sense before ST when they could have then signed a bat for DH.
not sure there's good value for dom right now and also not sure the mets can afford to take a talented lefty hitter out of the mix. so i think now is the time to eat some $ and just take on a contract.
my God, the pitching depth in the upper minors is dreadful. We all knew that, but there are just no options. Montgomery is getting rocked in AAA. Best next option may be Butto in AA
this is where trading dom for someone like paddack (i know he's hurt now so not him but someone like him) made a lot of sense before ST when they could have then signed a bat for DH.
not sure there's good value for dom right now and also not sure the mets can afford to take a talented lefty hitter out of the mix. so i think now is the time to eat some $ and just take on a contract.
Someone like Paddack, maybe. But not Paddack. I was glad they passed on that deal, and am elated now.
Mets up 5-3. Phillies down 2 runs. Would be nice if those scores hold, to up the division lead to 7.
Bats will need to continue raking, and the bullpen will be key. They've fortunately had some young guys emerging there: beyond Smith, they've had some younger guys show some stuff in Medina, Holderman, and Reed.
Bassit probably the best, but he's not an ace, Carasco is inconsistent as is Walker, and Peterson is in the minors and doesn't have a great MLB track record.
not saying panic, but this 6 game led could be gone in two weeks and if nothing else it will speed up the decline
that's easily a rotation that you can go .500 with. They are 11 games over .500. Oakland won 86 games last year with Bassitt as their top pitcher. They can't win a WS with this rotation but they can easily go .500 for a few months waiting for JDG/Scherzer to get back.
They need Bassitt/Carrasco to keep doing what they've been doing. they've both pitched close to the same level as scherzer and that needs to continue. this would be a great 2 months for Walker to pitch like he did last year first half even if he tanks again after that.
Best case.
But if you look at OAK rotation last year they were all pretty good.
so far 2022 hasn't been this bad, but you may not recall how bad Walker was 2nd half, and Carrasco awful. Peterson was brutal too.
and has pitched like the player he'd been prior, which was one of the more consistent in baseball. Could they get bad luck at the wrong time? Sure. We know that. But as of right now he's the 24th most productive starter in MLB. Bassitt was 28th heading into today and will likely leapfrog.
Losing Scherzer definitely isn't nothing but we are talking about missing 10-15 starts with a replacement who hasn't been too bad when they are currently 11 over .500.
mcneil's versatility might make him the most underrated player in mlb
he is the new zobrist in every respect just a little better at making contact and a little worse at drawing walks.
he's an overrager and still a few years from FA but it may be worth buying out 1 or 2 years of FA. he's a guy in a situation that can't really afford to not listen even on a team friendly deal.
are pitching better than last year, but this is almost identical to losing deGrom last year when Syndergaard was out for the year and being left with 3 - 5 in your rotation plus spare parts.
with deGrom playing the part of Syndergaard and Scherzer playing the part of deGrom, lol.
every pitcher now moves up a notch in terms of expectations and they were already up a notch.
again I'm not saying throw in the towel, I would just lower your expectations and I hope the team does not get desperate.
are pitching better than last year, but this is almost identical to losing deGrom last year when Syndergaard was out for the year and being left with 3 - 5 in your rotation plus spare parts.
with deGrom playing the part of Syndergaard and Scherzer playing the part of deGrom, lol.
every pitcher now moves up a notch in terms of expectations and they were already up a notch.
again I'm not saying throw in the towel, I would just lower your expectations and I hope the team does not get desperate.
as long as they can keep things such that nobody ever plays the part of eickhoff things should be ok.
if jdg/scherzer don't come back at all then they aren't going anywhere anyway.
did anyone else just think pujols hit that to the upper deck?
Reality with the dumb Baez trade last year we don’t have a ton of assets to move and we need to probably save some of those bullets for a bat and BP arm. Then again if dick mountain is around
Absolutely LOVE Joey Votto but he's been so bad this year that taking on the remainder of his 2022 25, + 2023 25, + 7 million in 2024 doesn't seem realistic. I don't think paying Cano 40 and then Votto potentially being Cano 2.0 is something even Cohen would be willing to do.
Absolutely LOVE Joey Votto but he's been so bad this year that taking on the remainder of his 2022 25, + 2023 25, + 7 million in 2024 doesn't seem realistic. I don't think paying Cano 40 and then Votto potentially being Cano 2.0 is something even Cohen would be willing to do.
Add on a lux tax and that’s a huge $$$ bill. Can’t think of another way to get a good SP without giving up prospects though.
order of business for me would be call Boston about JDM/Eovaldi (struggles and all) and Rich Hill. I'd also shop Dom hard. If he's not getting a start against a righty (even with Hudson's decent numbers vs. lefties this year)... he has zero value to this team.
that's decent. not great but decent. 14 starts the last 2 years, xera/fip/xfip all just above 4. that's close to replacement level and he's pitched out of the pen. as far as street free agents go they could have done worse. he didnt have enough sample size for savant #s in 2021 but his 2020 page looks decent. above average exit velocity. 95th percentile+ curve spin each of the past 2 years. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/trevor-cahill-502239?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb - ( New Window )
minor has starter/reliever flex, doesn't walk guys which is the #1 thing i look for in a reliever, and the last time he was a reliever full time he was elite (KC in 2017). 1.5 years under contract.
winker we know. he's struggled so far this year but he's the lefty that will make opposing managers think twice about sending righties up for Alonso. For a power hitter he makes good contact and doesn't K too much. and it would keep him from hitting big homers against us late in games. it is meant to be. also 1.5 years left.
and Quintana stand out, and as I said I'd take back Eovaldi's remaining money pretty easily if it meant adding Hill on the "cheap". 17 million this year, 3.34 xFIP. Maybe he's shot but the cost likely won't be high. No real downside.
is my #1 offensive target. I've seen enough of Dom and I've seen enough of JDD swinging through anything resembling a good FB. Dom may end up somewhere like Oakland and end up a good MLB regular but JDD reminds me of a dime a dozen "should be better than he is" type.
he's cheap and pitching well. he'll have some kind of rental market.
so just depends on which player in the top 10-30 of the system it costs. Junior Santos or Carlos Cortes? Probably a yes. Definitely not giving up a Hamel/Butto/Ziegler/Dominguez/Vasil though.
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UPDATE: Max Scherzer has a "moderate to high-grade" oblique strain. He'll miss 6-8 weeks.
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Huge blow.
But look. $43 million per year for this year and two more following, and he's 37 right now.
I know he's Scherzer, but I thought at the time it's a lot of money for a 37 year old, even though he's a 3x Cy Young Award winner.
The only silver-lining is this doesn't have anything to do with his arm, so maybe the fact that he and deGrom will really have low innings on them may be good for September and October baseball.
The bats are probably going to need to carry this team for the next few weeks.
@AnthonyDiComo
UPDATE: Max Scherzer has a "moderate to high-grade" oblique strain. He'll miss 6-8 weeks.
2:35 PM · May 19, 2022
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Huge blow.
Sorry for the bad link: https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1527357338365022235?cxt=HHwWtsCq5YXaobIqAAAA
they do need to make sure they are giving themselves an option or 2 behind that group so they don't get eickhoff'd again.
also there's a silver lining here that JDG and Scherzer are now likely to save 10-20 starts, 75-100 innings, and 1000-2000 pitches on their arms this year in missed time.
on any 1 pitch any player can do what Scherzer did yesterday so better to have it happen now then later. Hopefully both can build up in August/September to be ready for October.
Bassit, Carrasco, Peterson, Walker, Megill (when he returns).
There is a chance that these deGrom and Scherzer setbacks can help them big picture later this year if they're able to stick around in the meantime.
Sigh....
Most obvious trade candidate is Jose Quintana. Can't imagine he would cost too much, and the Pirates don't want to win too much
Rest of the division stinks. Braves pitching has been disappointing and Acuna and Albies are off to very slow starts. Phillies have no bullpen or timely hitting. Its basically the Bryce Harper lineup.
I think the Mets will be ok.
Bassit probably the best, but he's not an ace, Carasco is inconsistent as is Walker, and Peterson is in the minors and doesn't have a great MLB track record.
not saying panic, but this 6 game led could be gone in two weeks and if nothing else it will speed up the decline
When your team signs/relies on pitchers that are older and pitchers that are coming off of injury...nobody should be surprised that the Mets find themselves in this situation.
deGrom
Max
Walker
Carrasco
ideally there's someone with a $2-5m contract who a team would be happy to offload.
Mike Minor has been hurt to start the year and doesn't fit that description, but he can flex to the BP. He's making rehab starts but the Reds have enough SP options right now it's not obvious that they need his $9m. He's been a good targets for the mets for like 5 years running.
Bassit probably the best, but he's not an ace, Carasco is inconsistent as is Walker, and Peterson is in the minors and doesn't have a great MLB track record.
not saying panic, but this 6 game led could be gone in two weeks and if nothing else it will speed up the decline
that's easily a rotation that you can go .500 with. They are 11 games over .500. Oakland won 86 games last year with Bassitt as their top pitcher. They can't win a WS with this rotation but they can easily go .500 for a few months waiting for JDG/Scherzer to get back.
They need Bassitt/Carrasco to keep doing what they've been doing. they've both pitched close to the same level as scherzer and that needs to continue. this would be a great 2 months for Walker to pitch like he did last year first half even if he tanks again after that.
this is where trading dom for someone like paddack (i know he's hurt now so not him but someone like him) made a lot of sense before ST when they could have then signed a bat for DH.
not sure there's good value for dom right now and also not sure the mets can afford to take a talented lefty hitter out of the mix. so i think now is the time to eat some $ and just take on a contract.
That is not going to be easy. Have to be very careful with those games and do whatever they can to tread water.
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my God, the pitching depth in the upper minors is dreadful. We all knew that, but there are just no options. Montgomery is getting rocked in AAA. Best next option may be Butto in AA
this is where trading dom for someone like paddack (i know he's hurt now so not him but someone like him) made a lot of sense before ST when they could have then signed a bat for DH.
not sure there's good value for dom right now and also not sure the mets can afford to take a talented lefty hitter out of the mix. so i think now is the time to eat some $ and just take on a contract.
Someone like Paddack, maybe. But not Paddack. I was glad they passed on that deal, and am elated now.
Bats will need to continue raking, and the bullpen will be key. They've fortunately had some young guys emerging there: beyond Smith, they've had some younger guys show some stuff in Medina, Holderman, and Reed.
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that is not a contending rotation.
Bassit probably the best, but he's not an ace, Carasco is inconsistent as is Walker, and Peterson is in the minors and doesn't have a great MLB track record.
not saying panic, but this 6 game led could be gone in two weeks and if nothing else it will speed up the decline
that's easily a rotation that you can go .500 with. They are 11 games over .500. Oakland won 86 games last year with Bassitt as their top pitcher. They can't win a WS with this rotation but they can easily go .500 for a few months waiting for JDG/Scherzer to get back.
They need Bassitt/Carrasco to keep doing what they've been doing. they've both pitched close to the same level as scherzer and that needs to continue. this would be a great 2 months for Walker to pitch like he did last year first half even if he tanks again after that.
Best case.
But if you look at OAK rotation last year they were all pretty good.
so far 2022 hasn't been this bad, but you may not recall how bad Walker was 2nd half, and Carrasco awful. Peterson was brutal too.
Losing Scherzer definitely isn't nothing but we are talking about missing 10-15 starts with a replacement who hasn't been too bad when they are currently 11 over .500.
he's an overrager and still a few years from FA but it may be worth buying out 1 or 2 years of FA. he's a guy in a situation that can't really afford to not listen even on a team friendly deal.
with deGrom playing the part of Syndergaard and Scherzer playing the part of deGrom, lol.
every pitcher now moves up a notch in terms of expectations and they were already up a notch.
again I'm not saying throw in the towel, I would just lower your expectations and I hope the team does not get desperate.
with deGrom playing the part of Syndergaard and Scherzer playing the part of deGrom, lol.
every pitcher now moves up a notch in terms of expectations and they were already up a notch.
again I'm not saying throw in the towel, I would just lower your expectations and I hope the team does not get desperate.
as long as they can keep things such that nobody ever plays the part of eickhoff things should be ok.
if jdg/scherzer don't come back at all then they aren't going anywhere anyway.
eppler has got to be by the phone ready to use some cohen $ to bring in some pitchers. minor would be perfect.
someone needs to hit one out and just get the series.
Maybe if you take Melancon and his gaudy 8 ERA, 5 FIP and 2+WHIP off their hands
otherwise why would Arizona trade Kelly? He's affordable for three more years.
D-backs are 3 games under .500, not reds bad where they're like roadkill on the side of the road and other teams are feeding off their carcass.
Absolutely LOVE Joey Votto but he's been so bad this year that taking on the remainder of his 2022 25, + 2023 25, + 7 million in 2024 doesn't seem realistic. I don't think paying Cano 40 and then Votto potentially being Cano 2.0 is something even Cohen would be willing to do.
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and Joey Votto?
Absolutely LOVE Joey Votto but he's been so bad this year that taking on the remainder of his 2022 25, + 2023 25, + 7 million in 2024 doesn't seem realistic. I don't think paying Cano 40 and then Votto potentially being Cano 2.0 is something even Cohen would be willing to do.
Add on a lux tax and that’s a huge $$$ bill. Can’t think of another way to get a good SP without giving up prospects though.
that's decent. not great but decent. 14 starts the last 2 years, xera/fip/xfip all just above 4. that's close to replacement level and he's pitched out of the pen. as far as street free agents go they could have done worse. he didnt have enough sample size for savant #s in 2021 but his 2020 page looks decent. above average exit velocity. 95th percentile+ curve spin each of the past 2 years.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/trevor-cahill-502239?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb - ( New Window )
winker we know. he's struggled so far this year but he's the lefty that will make opposing managers think twice about sending righties up for Alonso. For a power hitter he makes good contact and doesn't K too much. and it would keep him from hitting big homers against us late in games. it is meant to be. also 1.5 years left.
so just depends on which player in the top 10-30 of the system it costs. Junior Santos or Carlos Cortes? Probably a yes. Definitely not giving up a Hamel/Butto/Ziegler/Dominguez/Vasil though.