Depth chart stuff I shouldn't think too much about, however, no appearance of Roche at OLB or the kids at ILB, Beavers and McFadden. Hilliard and Brunson were 3rd team inside guys. Probably much ado, still intriguing.
So Roche has a red jersey. That's it. I wonder what that's about.
Looking at the OLB, I gotta figure that's what Wink will want a lot of because he used 4 OLB packages last year. Four blitzing outside linebackers. The man is aggressive! I also feel like Coughlin might be a different type in this scheme than he was under Graham.
Insane one-handed grabs by Shepard from the jugs machine.
he was moving around great too. i don't know when a torn achillies became a 5-6 month injury instead of 12 but good for him. he's due for a little positive injury luck.
strings at ILB (although that is how Eric has them on the depth chart - 4th string). Apparently Beavers played though since he's briefly mentioned. I'm wondering if there is also a special teams section that the media doesn't really cover.
Insane one-handed grabs by Shepard from the jugs machine.
I know it's a bit silly on my part, but that stuff just annoys me to watch... ever since 2016. There always seemed to be so much emphasis on one-handed catches with OBJ and then he had those drops in the playoff game with the ball hitting both hands.
Nickel base or is that just what we practiced today? Was interested to see how the DL was positioned. but if only using 2 at a time it doesnt much matter
Nickel base or is that just what we practiced today? Was interested to see how the DL was positioned. but if only using 2 at a time it doesnt much matter
Great question...media in attendance didn't really elaborate. Sounds like we were in a 2-4-5 defense most of THIS practice.
It's just a guess on my part, but it could be that the coaches want to take a look at some of the new additions at CB while they still keep Williams active. They also might feel that Williams could be another Love, versatile enough to fill in anywhere in the defensive backfield.
You weren't following the story. Now you're just being a dick.
People were reacting to the fact that Golladay ($72 million contract) and Toney (controversial 1st-round draft pick), both of whom skipped OTAs last year and didn't score a single TE, were not mentioned at all in team OTA practice reviews and the 200 or so photos that were posted.
Now we know the reason why.
But there was cause for concern.
For whatever reason, you have an issue with anyone who says they should be there (despite the fact that yesterday, Daboll AGAIN said it was very important that they be there).
You weren't following the story. Now you're just being a dick.
People were reacting to the fact that Golladay ($72 million contract) and Toney (controversial 1st-round draft pick), both of whom skipped OTAs last year and didn't score a single TE, were not mentioned at all in team OTA practice reviews and the 200 or so photos that were posted.
Now we know the reason why.
But there was cause for concern.
For whatever reason, you have an issue with anyone who says they should be there (despite the fact that yesterday, Daboll AGAIN said it was very important that they be there).
No, my post was PRECISELY about people jumping to conclusions about who was/wasn’t there and making assumptions about the players- and proceeding to dump on them.
In the end, those people have been demonstrated to have made unwarranted leaps to reach a conclusion they wanted to harp about. I don’t see many NEA culpable here.
Now, I’m not defending Golloway or Toney. In fact, I think Golloway will play himself off the team this season. Toney- I’m hopeful with the talent leve, but let’s see him on the field first.
With that said, we see a LOT of group think going on that is based on little to nothing. THAT’S what bothers me.
I understand where you are coming from, but there is a REASON why this is a sensitive issue for Giants fans.
The return on these two huge investments has been borderline catastrophic. And there were indications they were repeating the same patterns they did last year.
Daboll is now on record twice as saying it is very important to be there for the classroom work alone. He said it again yesterday.
Unless the Giants as an organization enjoy trolling their fans and getting them pissed off, all they needed to do was mention these guys in OTA reports #1 and #2 or show them in one photo.
A conclusion is only unwarranted if there's no evidence to suggest it, and that wasn't the case with Golladay or Toney. It may have been incorrect, but it was certainly within the realm of possibility, based on their history, and based on the lack of any evidence to the contrary. One picture would have put all of the speculation to rest.
As I said in another post, it just seemed odd that the Giants chose to keep them in the shadows, so to speak. All that did was add fuel to a fire that's been smoldering since last year, when both WR's - one a high-priced free agent, the other a 1st Round draft pick - failed to justify either investment.
You want a mea culpa? Fine. I drew the wrong conclusion. My bad.
Unless the Giants as an organization enjoy trolling their fans and getting them pissed off, all they needed to do was mention these guys in OTA reports #1 and #2 or show them in one photo.
While I don't disagree, the average fan is not reading head coach transcripts. Fans that post in BBI are deep in the weeds and know what Daboll says. Most fans dont.
We could also simply not care so much about this. We are self-appointing ourselves to police the situation. Fans are legitimately asking the beat writers to take and report attendance. It's proactively looking for things to complain about.
We're not talking about the back-up RB here. Or the left guard.
We're talking about THE two guys in the receiving corps who we need to succeed in order to be competitive, and with respect to Toney, not just in 2022 but beyond.
If Toney didn't have such a checkered brief history, I would agree with you. But his rookie campaign was a farce from the moment the team drafted him (not showing up, coaches telling us how far behind he was, COVID twice, constantly getting hurt with a myriad of injuries ranging from "finger" to "oblique").
New staff, new playbook, new chance... and he decides to skip the first two weeks of OTAs until - by design or by chance - the word gets out he is on the trading block. Then he immediately shows up the next day. (Good, he got the message).
So again, the "policing" you are talking about is not really "policing." It is fans saying, "Oh crap, here we go again!"
as I posted yesterday, I don't really care if Toney or Golladay are in a red jersey right now. It's more important that they are there for the classroom work.
Toney wasn't going to get the playbook until he showed up.
So the situation with Toney and Golladay is good right now. Both are there and both seem engaged. The players have said it is fun to show up for work under Daboll.
We're not talking about the back-up RB here. Or the left guard.
We're talking about THE two guys in the receiving corps who we need to succeed in order to be competitive, and with respect to Toney, not just in 2022 but beyond.
If Toney didn't have such a checkered brief history, I would agree with you. But his rookie campaign was a farce from the moment the team drafted him (not showing up, coaches telling us how far behind he was, COVID twice, constantly getting hurt with a myriad of injuries ranging from "finger" to "oblique").
New staff, new playbook, new chance... and he decides to skip the first two weeks of OTAs until - by design or by chance - the word gets out he is on the trading block. Then he immediately shows up the next day. (Good, he got the message).
So again, the "policing" you are talking about is not really "policing." It is fans saying, "Oh crap, here we go again!"
This phenomenon happens every year. It's not new. Toney and Golladay are just the latest ones to face it. I've seen this before because I've been in the threads replying before.
The writers use attendance as cheap content for clicks. That'll never change. What can change is fans not gobbling it up just to get wound up and complain online. What you're saying is true: Those players need to have more impact on the games.
The people in control of that situation are Shoen, Daboll, and the players. Those are the ones that know who is working, and who is not, and they are the ones who have to hold each other accountable.
It's obvious we don't know what actually goes on if we're parsing thru OTA practice photos to specifically look for players that have a target on their back only to find later that yes, everything has been fine. The team just didn't prioritize "proving" something to the fans. It's sad if they feel like they have to. "BBI is really grumbling about this, let's make sure we include a photo of Golladay on the field or reviewing film".
if this team stays healthy, is productive, and makes the playoffs - what BBI will make of that.
95 percent of us will be thrilled.
But the odds are much higher that fans will overrate our chances and then cry bloody murder when we are out of the playoff hunt.
I am sticking to we go 8-9. I think this team is better than people are giving credit for. Last year this team won 4 games (should have won 2 other games without bonehead plays that cost us the game) and honestly would have been in games late if we hadn't lost our QB.
I am not saying this was a "good" team last year just that we should have ended up with more than 6 wins last year with a truly shitty Oline, no weapons in most games and a pretty pathetic Coaching staff.
Our Oline (still being put together) is leaps ahead of last year based on paper only to start. I mean two top 10 picks at OT, a VET center, a Vet Guard and then either a 3 year VET G coming back from injury or a rookie draft pick at the other G spot. That Oline alone is a HUGE improvement over the lines of the last two years.
injuries, I don't see Ximines making the 53. Coughlin, Brown, Crowder, Brunsen, and maybe even Roche could also be cut.
His only chance of making it is if there are multiple injuries at OLB like you said. Personally I would like to see them release him now as I've seen enough from him to know that he will never be even an average backup OLB. The Giants would save approximately $1 million in cap space by cutting him also. If they really plan on using Ward as a OLB in some packages then Ximines is behind Thibodeaux, Ojulari, Roche, Smith, and Ward.
as I posted yesterday, I don't really care if Toney or Golladay are in a red jersey right now. It's more important that they are there for the classroom work.
Toney wasn't going to get the playbook until he showed up.
So the situation with Toney and Golladay is good right now. Both are there and both seem engaged. The players have said it is fun to show up for work under Daboll.
So they couldn't recover from their mysterious debilitating inuries this whole off season huh? Can you get red shirted for ill fitting cleats?
if this team stays healthy, is productive, and makes the playoffs - what BBI will make of that.
95 percent of us will be thrilled.
But the odds are much higher that fans will overrate our chances and then cry bloody murder when we are out of the playoff hunt.
I am sticking to we go 8-9. I think this team is better than people are giving credit for. Last year this team won 4 games (should have won 2 other games without bonehead plays that cost us the game) and honestly would have been in games late if we hadn't lost our QB.
I am not saying this was a "good" team last year just that we should have ended up with more than 6 wins last year with a truly shitty Oline, no weapons in most games and a pretty pathetic Coaching staff.
Our Oline (still being put together) is leaps ahead of last year based on paper only to start. I mean two top 10 picks at OT, a VET center, a Vet Guard and then either a 3 year VET G coming back from injury or a rookie draft pick at the other G spot. That Oline alone is a HUGE improvement over the lines of the last two years.
I am really getting 1984 vibes from this team!
I don’t think there’s much question that the Giants added some very talented players to a roster desperately short of them. However, the new Giants regime came in a cleaned out a LARGE percentage of the roster, and had very limited ability to add useful vets to the squad.
Yes, they added some nice UDFAs. However, therein lies a big problem.
The depth on this team is paper thin. A rash of injuries and the Giants will be starting players who might not even make most other teams. This is the NFL- injuries can and do happen.
The front line talent is better, but the depth is worse. In a even longer season (now 17 games), injuries and rookies hitting the rookie wall will need to be a reality that we must contend with.
I may sound negative, but I think 4-5 wins would be an accomplishment with this team. The new regime needs one, maybe two more draft and FA rounds to build the talent AND depth to be competitive. It just won’t happen this year.
were for players rehabbing injuries AND for players with injury "issues" previously who needed workload managed. They may be in red jerseys to give them more time to heal, or just to reduce their on field workload during the spring. As long as they are there for classroom and mental reps that's a decent enough start, especially compared to last year.
I would think is OTA was more about seeing the bottom 2/3 roster
than the top 1/3 of the roster that’s not going anywhere in the near future.
23 of the bottom 60 are going to make the 53 plus another chunk for practice squad and injuries. Identifying the weakest 5-10 now and trying to replace them heading into camp is likely at the top of the to do list. Other than not getting someone in the top 1/3 injured.
Nickel base or is that just what we practiced today? Was interested to see how the DL was positioned. but if only using 2 at a time it doesnt much matter
Great question...media in attendance didn't really elaborate. Sounds like we were in a 2-4-5 defense most of THIS practice.
A 2-4-5 with beefy Williams and Lawrence could be a feasible "base" defense.
KT and Olujari at edge and Martinez and Crowder (or one of the rookie LBs) inside.
than the top 1/3 of the roster that’s not going anywhere in the near future.
23 of the bottom 60 are going to make the 53 plus another chunk for practice squad and injuries. Identifying the weakest 5-10 now and trying to replace them heading into camp is likely at the top of the to do list. Other than not getting someone in the top 1/3 injured.
Yes, the evaluations on the bottom 2/3 are more important. But this year it's also important to get everyone fluent in the new system/playbook ASAP
Nickel base or is that just what we practiced today? Was interested to see how the DL was positioned. but if only using 2 at a time it doesnt much matter
Great question...media in attendance didn't really elaborate. Sounds like we were in a 2-4-5 defense most of THIS practice.
A 2-4-5 with beefy Williams and Lawrence could be a feasible "base" defense.
KT and Olujari at edge and Martinez and Crowder (or one of the rookie LBs) inside.
A 2 man front isn't going to stop the run and it isn't going to get to the QB. You may as well play a 0-4-7 on a passing down
You do understand that linebackers and defensive backs blitz like crazy in Wink's scheme?
2-4-5 can be a great defense against the pass if you have good pass rushers. In other words, would you rather have an athlete who can rush the passer on the field or another DT?
It is not a formation you would likely use on 2nd and 2 against 21, 12 or heavy personnel though, but potentially a good D in today's NFL pass happy NFL against 11 personnel in most down and distances.
I really have a feeling thibs is the real deal and we will be hearing about his flashes all camp
Can't wait to see Mckinney and the defense in live action
Unfortunately we don't have any good backups should Golladay go down (which is quite likely).
Jarren Williams at FS- thought he played decent when thrown into action last year at CB, though they played alot of zone when he was in there
Bellinger first team reps (and another nice catch)
Garcia buried on IOL depth chart- this is a guy who would've started here last year so shows how the IOL has come along nicely.
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Insane one-handed grabs by Shepard from the jugs machine.
Depth chart stuff I shouldn't think too much about, however, no appearance of Roche at OLB or the kids at ILB, Beavers and McFadden. Hilliard and Brunson were 3rd team inside guys. Probably much ado, still intriguing.
Looking at the OLB, I gotta figure that's what Wink will want a lot of because he used 4 OLB packages last year. Four blitzing outside linebackers. The man is aggressive! I also feel like Coughlin might be a different type in this scheme than he was under Graham.
I really have a feeling thibs is the real deal and we will be hearing about his flashes all camp
Can't wait to see Mckinney and the defense in live action
It’s even worse for Ximines when you factor in that Roche was out and Ximines was still relegated to the 3rd team.
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Insane one-handed grabs by Shepard from the jugs machine.
he was moving around great too. i don't know when a torn achillies became a 5-6 month injury instead of 12 but good for him. he's due for a little positive injury luck.
Also loved all the mis-speculation Giants fans had on Toney/Golladay "not being there".
Now we come to find out they are rehabbing injuries.
So next time why dont you just chill
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Insane one-handed grabs by Shepard from the jugs machine.
I know it's a bit silly on my part, but that stuff just annoys me to watch... ever since 2016. There always seemed to be so much emphasis on one-handed catches with OBJ and then he had those drops in the playoff game with the ball hitting both hands.
Great question...media in attendance didn't really elaborate. Sounds like we were in a 2-4-5 defense most of THIS practice.
Also loved all the mis-speculation Giants fans had on Toney/Golladay "not being there".
Now we come to find out they are rehabbing injuries.
So next time why dont you just chill
They both showed up because they were told they could wear red jerseys and it would be like they weren't even there...
Also loved all the mis-speculation Giants fans had on Toney/Golladay "not being there".
Now we come to find out they are rehabbing injuries.
So next time why dont you just chill
I posted almost the same sentiments on the earlier thread and got told I wasn’t following the story. There were 200+ pictures and they weren’t there…
People were reacting to the fact that Golladay ($72 million contract) and Toney (controversial 1st-round draft pick), both of whom skipped OTAs last year and didn't score a single TE, were not mentioned at all in team OTA practice reviews and the 200 or so photos that were posted.
Now we know the reason why.
But there was cause for concern.
For whatever reason, you have an issue with anyone who says they should be there (despite the fact that yesterday, Daboll AGAIN said it was very important that they be there).
People were reacting to the fact that Golladay ($72 million contract) and Toney (controversial 1st-round draft pick), both of whom skipped OTAs last year and didn't score a single TE, were not mentioned at all in team OTA practice reviews and the 200 or so photos that were posted.
Now we know the reason why.
But there was cause for concern.
For whatever reason, you have an issue with anyone who says they should be there (despite the fact that yesterday, Daboll AGAIN said it was very important that they be there).
No, my post was PRECISELY about people jumping to conclusions about who was/wasn’t there and making assumptions about the players- and proceeding to dump on them.
In the end, those people have been demonstrated to have made unwarranted leaps to reach a conclusion they wanted to harp about. I don’t see many NEA culpable here.
Now, I’m not defending Golloway or Toney. In fact, I think Golloway will play himself off the team this season. Toney- I’m hopeful with the talent leve, but let’s see him on the field first.
With that said, we see a LOT of group think going on that is based on little to nothing. THAT’S what bothers me.
The return on these two huge investments has been borderline catastrophic. And there were indications they were repeating the same patterns they did last year.
Daboll is now on record twice as saying it is very important to be there for the classroom work alone. He said it again yesterday.
Unless the Giants as an organization enjoy trolling their fans and getting them pissed off, all they needed to do was mention these guys in OTA reports #1 and #2 or show them in one photo.
As I said in another post, it just seemed odd that the Giants chose to keep them in the shadows, so to speak. All that did was add fuel to a fire that's been smoldering since last year, when both WR's - one a high-priced free agent, the other a 1st Round draft pick - failed to justify either investment.
You want a mea culpa? Fine. I drew the wrong conclusion. My bad.
Unless the Giants as an organization enjoy trolling their fans and getting them pissed off, all they needed to do was mention these guys in OTA reports #1 and #2 or show them in one photo.
While I don't disagree, the average fan is not reading head coach transcripts. Fans that post in BBI are deep in the weeds and know what Daboll says. Most fans dont.
We could also simply not care so much about this. We are self-appointing ourselves to police the situation. Fans are legitimately asking the beat writers to take and report attendance. It's proactively looking for things to complain about.
Just that he's wearing a red injury jersey.
We're talking about THE two guys in the receiving corps who we need to succeed in order to be competitive, and with respect to Toney, not just in 2022 but beyond.
If Toney didn't have such a checkered brief history, I would agree with you. But his rookie campaign was a farce from the moment the team drafted him (not showing up, coaches telling us how far behind he was, COVID twice, constantly getting hurt with a myriad of injuries ranging from "finger" to "oblique").
New staff, new playbook, new chance... and he decides to skip the first two weeks of OTAs until - by design or by chance - the word gets out he is on the trading block. Then he immediately shows up the next day. (Good, he got the message).
So again, the "policing" you are talking about is not really "policing." It is fans saying, "Oh crap, here we go again!"
Toney wasn't going to get the playbook until he showed up.
So the situation with Toney and Golladay is good right now. Both are there and both seem engaged. The players have said it is fun to show up for work under Daboll.
95 percent of us will be thrilled.
But the odds are much higher that fans will overrate our chances and then cry bloody murder when we are out of the playoff hunt.
We're talking about THE two guys in the receiving corps who we need to succeed in order to be competitive, and with respect to Toney, not just in 2022 but beyond.
If Toney didn't have such a checkered brief history, I would agree with you. But his rookie campaign was a farce from the moment the team drafted him (not showing up, coaches telling us how far behind he was, COVID twice, constantly getting hurt with a myriad of injuries ranging from "finger" to "oblique").
New staff, new playbook, new chance... and he decides to skip the first two weeks of OTAs until - by design or by chance - the word gets out he is on the trading block. Then he immediately shows up the next day. (Good, he got the message).
So again, the "policing" you are talking about is not really "policing." It is fans saying, "Oh crap, here we go again!"
This phenomenon happens every year. It's not new. Toney and Golladay are just the latest ones to face it. I've seen this before because I've been in the threads replying before.
The writers use attendance as cheap content for clicks. That'll never change. What can change is fans not gobbling it up just to get wound up and complain online. What you're saying is true: Those players need to have more impact on the games.
The people in control of that situation are Shoen, Daboll, and the players. Those are the ones that know who is working, and who is not, and they are the ones who have to hold each other accountable.
It's obvious we don't know what actually goes on if we're parsing thru OTA practice photos to specifically look for players that have a target on their back only to find later that yes, everything has been fine. The team just didn't prioritize "proving" something to the fans. It's sad if they feel like they have to. "BBI is really grumbling about this, let's make sure we include a photo of Golladay on the field or reviewing film".
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if this team stays healthy, is productive, and makes the playoffs - what BBI will make of that.
95 percent of us will be thrilled.
But the odds are much higher that fans will overrate our chances and then cry bloody murder when we are out of the playoff hunt.
I am sticking to we go 8-9. I think this team is better than people are giving credit for. Last year this team won 4 games (should have won 2 other games without bonehead plays that cost us the game) and honestly would have been in games late if we hadn't lost our QB.
I am not saying this was a "good" team last year just that we should have ended up with more than 6 wins last year with a truly shitty Oline, no weapons in most games and a pretty pathetic Coaching staff.
Our Oline (still being put together) is leaps ahead of last year based on paper only to start. I mean two top 10 picks at OT, a VET center, a Vet Guard and then either a 3 year VET G coming back from injury or a rookie draft pick at the other G spot. That Oline alone is a HUGE improvement over the lines of the last two years.
I am really getting 1984 vibes from this team!
Me too. But no reason to push him in May. Probably eases in during training camp too. Just build him up for opening day.
His only chance of making it is if there are multiple injuries at OLB like you said. Personally I would like to see them release him now as I've seen enough from him to know that he will never be even an average backup OLB. The Giants would save approximately $1 million in cap space by cutting him also. If they really plan on using Ward as a OLB in some packages then Ximines is behind Thibodeaux, Ojulari, Roche, Smith, and Ward.
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Me too. But no reason to push him in May. Probably eases in during training camp too. Just build him up for opening day.
I agree, wrap Andrew Thomas in bubble wrap training camp.
Toney wasn't going to get the playbook until he showed up.
So the situation with Toney and Golladay is good right now. Both are there and both seem engaged. The players have said it is fun to show up for work under Daboll.
So they couldn't recover from their mysterious debilitating inuries this whole off season huh? Can you get red shirted for ill fitting cleats?
Gollday missed three games with a knee injury.
Toney had hamstring, ankle, thumb, quad, oblique, and shoulder injuries.
Could be related to any of those....could be they tweaked a hamstring in the spring. We don't know.
But they are there. That's a start. They weren't there last year.
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if this team stays healthy, is productive, and makes the playoffs - what BBI will make of that.
95 percent of us will be thrilled.
But the odds are much higher that fans will overrate our chances and then cry bloody murder when we are out of the playoff hunt.
I am sticking to we go 8-9. I think this team is better than people are giving credit for. Last year this team won 4 games (should have won 2 other games without bonehead plays that cost us the game) and honestly would have been in games late if we hadn't lost our QB.
I am not saying this was a "good" team last year just that we should have ended up with more than 6 wins last year with a truly shitty Oline, no weapons in most games and a pretty pathetic Coaching staff.
Our Oline (still being put together) is leaps ahead of last year based on paper only to start. I mean two top 10 picks at OT, a VET center, a Vet Guard and then either a 3 year VET G coming back from injury or a rookie draft pick at the other G spot. That Oline alone is a HUGE improvement over the lines of the last two years.
I am really getting 1984 vibes from this team!
I don’t think there’s much question that the Giants added some very talented players to a roster desperately short of them. However, the new Giants regime came in a cleaned out a LARGE percentage of the roster, and had very limited ability to add useful vets to the squad.
Yes, they added some nice UDFAs. However, therein lies a big problem.
The depth on this team is paper thin. A rash of injuries and the Giants will be starting players who might not even make most other teams. This is the NFL- injuries can and do happen.
The front line talent is better, but the depth is worse. In a even longer season (now 17 games), injuries and rookies hitting the rookie wall will need to be a reality that we must contend with.
I may sound negative, but I think 4-5 wins would be an accomplishment with this team. The new regime needs one, maybe two more draft and FA rounds to build the talent AND depth to be competitive. It just won’t happen this year.
23 of the bottom 60 are going to make the 53 plus another chunk for practice squad and injuries. Identifying the weakest 5-10 now and trying to replace them heading into camp is likely at the top of the to do list. Other than not getting someone in the top 1/3 injured.
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Nickel base or is that just what we practiced today? Was interested to see how the DL was positioned. but if only using 2 at a time it doesnt much matter
Great question...media in attendance didn't really elaborate. Sounds like we were in a 2-4-5 defense most of THIS practice.
A 2-4-5 with beefy Williams and Lawrence could be a feasible "base" defense.
KT and Olujari at edge and Martinez and Crowder (or one of the rookie LBs) inside.
23 of the bottom 60 are going to make the 53 plus another chunk for practice squad and injuries. Identifying the weakest 5-10 now and trying to replace them heading into camp is likely at the top of the to do list. Other than not getting someone in the top 1/3 injured.
Yes, the evaluations on the bottom 2/3 are more important. But this year it's also important to get everyone fluent in the new system/playbook ASAP
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Nickel base or is that just what we practiced today? Was interested to see how the DL was positioned. but if only using 2 at a time it doesnt much matter
Great question...media in attendance didn't really elaborate. Sounds like we were in a 2-4-5 defense most of THIS practice.
A 2-4-5 with beefy Williams and Lawrence could be a feasible "base" defense.
KT and Olujari at edge and Martinez and Crowder (or one of the rookie LBs) inside.
A 2 man front isn't going to stop the run and it isn't going to get to the QB. You may as well play a 0-4-7 on a passing down
2-4-5 can be a great defense against the pass if you have good pass rushers. In other words, would you rather have an athlete who can rush the passer on the field or another DT?
If the Giants make the playoffs this year, Schoen win GM of year and Daboll wins coach of the year hands down.
It is not a formation you would likely use on 2nd and 2 against 21, 12 or heavy personnel though, but potentially a good D in today's NFL pass happy NFL against 11 personnel in most down and distances.