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New Details on James Bradberry Deal

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/20/2022 8:10 am
Field Yates @FieldYates

In typical Eagles form, James Bradberry’s deal includes four voidable years.

Signing bonus: $6.215M
Base salary: $1.035M
Incentives: Up to $2.5M

Bradberry carries a cap charge of just $2.278M for 2022 via this deal.
Probably also screws the Giants with offset money  
Rudy5757 : 5/20/2022 8:20 am : link
since the base is so low and its considered a 4 year deal.
And it’s likely he turned down deals better than that  
BillT : 5/20/2022 8:25 am : link
I don’t think he and his agent didn’t play this very well. The deals offered with the trades had to be better than that.
Question  
nyjuggernaut2 : 5/20/2022 8:28 am : link
does the voidable years mean that after this season the Eagle will carry 3 years of dead money from this deal on their books?
RE: Question  
knowledgetimmons : 5/20/2022 8:31 am : link
In comment 15714077 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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does the voidable years mean that after this season the Eagle will carry 3 years of dead money from this deal on their books?


that's the only conclusion that makes sense.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/20/2022 8:31 am : link
Dan Duggan

@DDuggan21
Knew this would be the case. Should leave the Eagles with ~$5M in dead money in 2023
If it’s a 4 year deal  
Finch : 5/20/2022 8:32 am : link
and he is released after this season, does that mean he doesn’t count towards the comp pick formula?
RE: If it’s a 4 year deal  
TrueBlue56 : 5/20/2022 8:36 am : link
In comment 15714082 Finch said:
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and he is released after this season, does that mean he doesn’t count towards the comp pick formula?


Only unrestricted free agents (contracts that expired) count towards the compensation. Players that are released do not count.
RE: RE: Question  
robbieballs2003 : 5/20/2022 8:37 am : link
In comment 15714079 knowledgetimmons said:
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In comment 15714077 nyjuggernaut2 said:


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does the voidable years mean that after this season the Eagle will carry 3 years of dead money from this deal on their books?



that's the only conclusion that makes sense.


That's not how I understand it. Voidable years are used to keep the current cost down. If Bradberry reaches his incentives, the Eagles could waste about 7.7 mil on next year's cap.

People seem to get pissed off when other teams use voidable years. If your team is using voidable years, it's probably managed wrong and that team better be a legit contender.
RE: If it’s a 4 year deal  
robbieballs2003 : 5/20/2022 8:37 am : link
In comment 15714082 Finch said:
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and he is released after this season, does that mean he doesn’t count towards the comp pick formula?


Correct
RE: If it’s a 4 year deal  
ZogZerg : 5/20/2022 8:37 am : link
In comment 15714082 Finch said:
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and he is released after this season, does that mean he doesn’t count towards the comp pick formula?


Excellent Point!
No comp.
Going from memory  
WillieYoung : 5/20/2022 8:50 am : link
which is dangerous for an old fellow, if we'd have done the same deal with him we'd have saved as much under the cap as we did by cutting him.
Eagles already borrowing from future caps with a  
Metnut : 5/20/2022 8:51 am : link
QB on a rookie deal? With a team that’s not a super bowl contender? Seems like a Gettleman type move.
RE: And it’s likely he turned down deals better than that  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15714076 BillT said:
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I don’t think he and his agent didn’t play this very well. The deals offered with the trades had to be better than that.


Agreed Bill.
Going from memory  
WillieYoung : 5/20/2022 8:55 am : link
which is dangerous for an old fellow, if we'd have done the same deal with him we'd have saved as much under the cap as we did by cutting him.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/20/2022 9:10 am : link
Ryan Dunleavy

@rydunleavy
It all accelerates into 2023 cap. Add all those numbers together and you get about $5m dead in 2023. Nothing 24-26
Given the NYG regime changes  
JonC : 5/20/2022 9:29 am : link
and considering the CB types preferred by the Bills and Ravens, it's fairly obvious JB didn't fit and Adoree's getting an audition to show a different side to his game in 2023. NYG CB unit will look entirely different in 2023.
RE: Going from memory  
BillT : 5/20/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15714101 WillieYoung said:
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which is dangerous for an old fellow, if we'd have done the same deal with him we'd have saved as much under the cap as we did by cutting him.

Except the $5m in 2023 dead cap.
I think team Bradberry misplayed this pretty badly  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2022 9:40 am : link
they didn't have much control or leverage this offseason because he only had $2m guaranteed, but what little leverage they did had they overplayed and outright squandered on a risky gamble.

their primary objective was to re-enter UFA next year. with a rising cap that sounds great in theory but he's going to be a 30 year old corner and that's a market that barely exists in FA terms. there is only 1 corner in the NFL on a contract worth more than $6m AAV that signed ahead of an age 30+ season. Stephon Gilmore (2 years, 20m - which is basically a 1 year 10m). so even if he has a great season that's the risky gamble. if he has a bad season he's looking at a 1 year deal for even less than this year.

we don't know what extensions he was offered, but my guess is it was something around 3 years 10m per, and if so passing was incredibly risky.
Willieyoung - the nyg could have converted his deal to signing bonus  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2022 9:47 am : link
and that would have pushed about 10m of dead cap to next year on his already existing void year while keeping him this year at a similar amount of the dead cap already on the books (slightly more).

they could have made that restructure unilaterally without him needing to agree to anything and instead of getting a 6.2m check, he'd have gotten a $12m check. So Bradberry would have made $6m extra dollars staying here in that instance.

it seems clear the nyg were correct to not do that because that was 6m more than JB was worth on the open market but with the benefit of hindsight it may have made sense for both sides to meet in the middle somewhere. if the nyg didn't offer that then they really didn't want bradberry back. team bradberry would have been smart to try to work that out too because obviously he'd have made more $ this year and the giants cap situation was their last remaining area of leverage. unless the fit with winks D was just that off (which is possible).

in which case back to my previous comment their mistake was bungling the extension opportunities from the teams who tried to trade for him.
Eric on LI  
Toth029 : 5/20/2022 10:34 am : link
Always interesting to see that. Eagle fans are banking on the team getting a high comp pick (another topic, void years vs getting a comp pick) from Bradberry after the season.

Just not seeing it myself either.
I tend to agree Bradberry misplayed this as well and maybe  
Jimmy Googs : 5/20/2022 10:41 am : link
should have been more conducive to cutting a deal with Giants with some form of modification & haircut.

But it appears he had plenty of suitors so maybe the thought of moving onto a non-rebuilding team drove his mindset (and ego). The ultimate deal doesn't reflect much of a bidding war for his services based on number of teams reported in the mix.

Although I am glad NY wasn't able to throw the tag on him as an option...

:-)
If playing for a team that expects to contend was his goal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/20/2022 10:45 am : link
Then he got what he wanted.
F' that greedy washed up no talent  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/20/2022 10:56 am : link
and the Eagles.



doesn't bother me in the least  
bigbluehoya : 5/20/2022 10:59 am : link
I actually love seeing a hated rival borrow money from future years' cap to support a current roster when they have a trash quarterback.
The Eagles did what the Giants weren't willing to do  
rasbutant : 5/20/2022 11:41 am : link
Push money to future years.

I would have done it in this case because I really like the player and CB depth is not great, but can fully understand why they took a different path.

Eagles get a good player and a low hit to the CAP, the future CAP hit hurts them, but not that much. Have to say I'm glad they will not benefit from a draft pick when he leaves, that's the best news about this.

Just wish he went to a different team.
RE: Eagles already borrowing from future caps with a  
djm : 5/20/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15714096 Metnut said:
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QB on a rookie deal? With a team that’s not a super bowl contender? Seems like a Gettleman type move.


They all do this.
Toth - he won't be in the comp pick formula because of the void years  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2022 12:16 pm : link
functioning as a cut as opposed to a true contract expiration. they also can't tag him. they basically borrowed against the future to have him for this year because to extend him it will probably take a lot of maneuvering. they project to be above the cap next year despite Hurts being as cheap as possible (and entering a walk year) and some of their big deals (slay) make Gettleman's deals last year look tame.

For as much as people love Howie Roseman's machinations in a lot of ways he's juggling knives. It actually wouldn't shock me to see him trade Bradberry at the deadline if they don't get off to a good start.
Pettit?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/20/2022 4:29 pm : link
ScoutingGems
@Mustanglover_
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May 19
Not shocking. I made it clear how James and the #Giants could stay together but when you have narcissistic jerkoffs in the building things are harder then they need to be .

Maybe the REAL reason the #Giants have been struggling with consistency for the last DECADE is because of a certain man that refuses to put his ego away and thinks his title means he knows football. HE DOESN’T!!! Money doesn’t make you qualified .
Colonel Mustard  
Jimmy Googs : 5/20/2022 5:01 pm : link
with lead pipe in the Ballroom...
This loophole should have  
section125 : 5/20/2022 5:14 pm : link
been closed. A complete effing scam - 4 voidable years.

Oh and Mustangfool is just a C%$t. Talk about a butt hurt scumbag.
RE: Pettit?  
Larry in Pencilvania : 5/20/2022 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15714547 Eric from BBI said:
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ScoutingGems
@Mustanglover_
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May 19
Not shocking. I made it clear how James and the #Giants could stay together but when you have narcissistic jerkoffs in the building things are harder then they need to be .

Maybe the REAL reason the #Giants have been struggling with consistency for the last DECADE is because of a certain man that refuses to put his ego away and thinks his title means he knows football. HE DOESN’T!!! Money doesn’t make you qualified .


Someone's butt hurt
RE: This loophole should have  
USAF NYG Fan : 5/21/2022 4:49 am : link
In comment 15714564 section125 said:
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been closed. A complete effing scam - 4 voidable years.

Oh and Mustangfool is just a C%$t. Talk about a butt hurt scumbag.

I dont' think so. If teams want to mortgage their future years, that's on them. I suppose I can see your point if the Eagles were a real contender but I'm not seeing them that way.

For the Giants', they have amassed a $32M dead cap this year which had to be done just to get under the cap this year. Wipe the slate clean as best they could. Next year the Giants' are showing $0 dead money and the 5th best in the league in cap space.

The Eagles' dead money is $36M this year. For 2023, they are already the worst in dead money at $15M and they are a little in the red in cap space. Bradberry will add another $5M to that dead money.

Since I'm merely hoping for improvement and hope for the future this year from the Giants, I totally approve of them letting him go. He's not a part of the future of this team. The Eagles are nothing more than, maybe, a team that can take a shot at winning the division. They won't' make it to the show. I'm all for them mortgaging more of their future away.

Giants - Good move
Eagles - Bad move
Bradberry - Best option he had. He's just trying to get more $$ before he runs out of gas. He's not getting a ring, no HoF, and he will barely be remembered. Might as well get some more $$ before it's over for him.
 
christian : 5/21/2022 1:26 pm : link
Spreading a bonus on a void year is no different than spreading it on a bogus year with no guaranteed money, that the team has no intention of paying.

At least this way the player isn’t under contract and can plan his career accordingly.

It’s a perfectly viable tool if you have discipline and smart resource planning.
Giants brass might be thinking the team is going nowhere this year  
GeofromNJ : 5/21/2022 9:35 pm : link
so why push money into future years for a player that is not a difference maker this year. Makes sense to me.
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