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NFT: Has there ever been a franchise in all of sports’ history

Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2022 10:17 am
That has had the sustained competitiveness and excellence that the Yankees have had?

Disclaimer: I was raised as a NY Giants baseball fan and loathed the Yankees. Still do.

That said, it’s is unfathomable to me, that since the mid ‘70s, they have been mostly competitive, even superb at times. What team has ever done that? We’re talking nearly 50 years of sustainability for the most part. That’s insane.

This Yankee-hater is uber impressed. You Yankees fans are incredibly blessed, imo.. I picked the wrong franchise to dislike. 😎
Until they hit the skids for a while post-Phil Jackson, the Lakers  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2022 10:22 am : link
In 65 seasons from 1948 to 2013, the Lakers only missed the playoffs five times.
I feel lucky to be a Yankees fan and to have watched the mid-90's to  
BLUATHRT : 5/20/2022 10:23 am : link
early 2000's teams. I also remember living through horrible years from the late 80's to mid-90's, where Kevin Maas, Matt Nokes and Mel Hall were our shining stars. So it hasn't fully been sustainable since that time. that was a complete reboot of philosophy when Gene Michael helped transform the team by focusing on the farm system.
The USA  
k2tampa : 5/20/2022 10:23 am : link
in the America's Cup.
the really down years for the Yankees was just four seasons  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2022 10:27 am : link
1989-92. Since obtaining Babe Ruth in 1920, the Yankees have had losing records just nine times: 1965-7, 1969, 1982, and 1989-92.
RE: Until they hit the skids for a while post-Phil Jackson, the Lakers  
Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2022 10:28 am : link
In comment 15714181 Greg from LI said:
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In 65 seasons from 1948 to 2013, the Lakers only missed the playoffs five times.


That’s amazing..
RE: the really down years for the Yankees was just four seasons  
Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2022 10:29 am : link
In comment 15714190 Greg from LI said:
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1989-92. Since obtaining Babe Ruth in 1920, the Yankees have had losing records just nine times: 1965-7, 1969, 1982, and 1989-92.


Crazy, no?
the Montreal Canadiens from the '40s to the '90s -  
Del Shofner : 5/20/2022 10:31 am : link
Led by the "Punch Line" of Maurice "Rocket" Richard, Toe Blake and Elmer Lach in the 1940s, the Canadiens enjoyed success again atop the NHL. From 1953 to 1960, the franchise won six Stanley Cups, including a record five straight from 1956 to 1960, with a new set of stars coming to prominence: Jean Beliveau, Dickie Moore, Doug Harvey, Bernie "Boom Boom" Geoffrion, Jacques Plante and Richard's younger brother, Henri.[21]

The Canadiens added ten more championships in 15 seasons from 1965 to 1979, with another dynastic run of four-straight Cups from 1976 to 1979.[22] In the 1976–77 season, the Canadiens set two still-standing team records – for most points, with 132, and fewest losses, by only losing eight games in an 80-game season.[23] The next season, 1977–78, the team had a 28-game unbeaten streak, the second-longest in NHL history.[24] The next generation of stars included Guy Lafleur, Yvan Cournoyer, Ken Dryden, Pete Mahovlich, Jacques Lemaire, Pierre Larouche, Steve Shutt, Bob Gainey, Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe and Larry Robinson. Scotty Bowman, who would later set a record for most NHL victories by a coach, was the team's head coach for its last five Stanley Cup victories in the 1970s.[25]

Façade of the Bell Centre. On the wall is a banner celebrating the Canadiens centennial, featuring two players, one in black and white and one in colour, and the Canadiens logo in front of a "100".
Bell Centre has been the Canadiens' home venue since 1996. The arena is here seen in 2008, with banners celebrating the Montreal Canadiens centennial.
The Canadiens won Stanley Cups in 1986, led by rookie star goaltender Patrick Roy,[26] and in 1993, continuing their streak of winning at least one championship in every decade from the 1910s to the 1990s (this streak came to an end in the 2000s).
Linfield F.C.  
JB_in_DC : 5/20/2022 10:32 am : link
just lifted their 56th league title!
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Alabama Football  
MartyNJ1969 : 5/20/2022 10:33 am : link
Manchester United
The Harlem Globetrotters: Have they ever lost?  
Marty in Albany : 5/20/2022 10:35 am : link
;-)
Proud  
Straw Hat : 5/20/2022 10:41 am : link
Yankee hater here. They are a phenomenal team, almost always. Makes it so sweet when they dont win lol.
2009 was 13 years ago. Would be nice to cap 2022 with a WS win  
The_Boss : 5/20/2022 10:46 am : link
It won't be easy. Especially with work to do in the bullpen if Green is lost for a while and Chappy can't be fixed and figuring out what to do with complete zeros like Hicks and Gallo in the lineup.
RE: the Montreal Canadiens from the '40s to the '90s -  
Victor in CT : 5/20/2022 10:52 am : link
In comment 15714194 Del Shofner said:
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Led by the "Punch Line" of Maurice "Rocket" Richard, Toe Blake and Elmer Lach in the 1940s, the Canadiens enjoyed success again atop the NHL. From 1953 to 1960, the franchise won six Stanley Cups, including a record five straight from 1956 to 1960, with a new set of stars coming to prominence: Jean Beliveau, Dickie Moore, Doug Harvey, Bernie "Boom Boom" Geoffrion, Jacques Plante and Richard's younger brother, Henri.[21]

The Canadiens added ten more championships in 15 seasons from 1965 to 1979, with another dynastic run of four-straight Cups from 1976 to 1979.[22] In the 1976–77 season, the Canadiens set two still-standing team records – for most points, with 132, and fewest losses, by only losing eight games in an 80-game season.[23] The next season, 1977–78, the team had a 28-game unbeaten streak, the second-longest in NHL history.[24] The next generation of stars included Guy Lafleur, Yvan Cournoyer, Ken Dryden, Pete Mahovlich, Jacques Lemaire, Pierre Larouche, Steve Shutt, Bob Gainey, Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe and Larry Robinson. Scotty Bowman, who would later set a record for most NHL victories by a coach, was the team's head coach for its last five Stanley Cup victories in the 1970s.[25]

Façade of the Bell Centre. On the wall is a banner celebrating the Canadiens centennial, featuring two players, one in black and white and one in colour, and the Canadiens logo in front of a "100".
Bell Centre has been the Canadiens' home venue since 1996. The arena is here seen in 2008, with banners celebrating the Montreal Canadiens centennial.
The Canadiens won Stanley Cups in 1986, led by rookie star goaltender Patrick Roy,[26] and in 1993, continuing their streak of winning at least one championship in every decade from the 1910s to the 1990s (this streak came to an end in the 2000s).


exactly. the only one close,
I was also going to mention the Habs,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2022 11:16 am : link
they were virtually unbeatable since I became a Hockey fan in the ‘50s/‘60s, but I recall the Bruins and Flyers doing well in the ‘80s and the Isles and Oilers in mid to late ‘70s and ‘80s
no "fire Boone" posts  
UConn4523 : 5/20/2022 11:18 am : link
since week 2 or 3 of the season, lol. Love this fanbase.
The Canadiens had an incredible run for a long time  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2022 11:33 am : link
But the one caveat is that the NHL was a six team league for most of that time. They haven't won a Cup in 29 years now, and last year's cinderella run to the Finals was their first appearance since that last championship. No Canadian team has won a title since the '93 Canadiens.

Maybe this year Calgary breaks Canada's Stanley Cup drought.
RE: The Canadiens had an incredible run for a long time  
Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15714269 Greg from LI said:
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But the one caveat is that the NHL was a six team league for most of that time. They haven't won a Cup in 29 years now, and last year's cinderella run to the Finals was their first appearance since that last championship. No Canadian team has won a title since the '93 Canadiens.

Maybe this year Calgary breaks Canada's Stanley Cup drought.


Yeah, but they originated in Atlanta..😎
I still don't know how  
Enzo : 5/20/2022 11:46 am : link
the Yankees managed winning records in 2013 and 2014.
Hey BB56  
BigBlueBuff : 5/20/2022 11:51 am : link
Always love your insights, and while I share your Yankees disdain what I find most interesting about them is the way the Yankees have done it in such spectacular fashion compared to some other very successful franchises, all while being located in the largest city in the country. It's really made them the stuff of legends.

It's just stunning to compare the great teams in baseball history. Just to illustrate, here are three franchises that have enjoyed amazing success across the breadth of their history, with some of the most legendary moments and players, and some serious championship credentials. Together, they account for 26 World Series wins.

However storied and amazing the histories of these other franchises, all three of them are absolutely dwarfed by the Yankees despite New York not necessarily having historically better players (of course, having certain key players definitely helps!) It's incredible.

Now here is where it gets really interesting. Take a look at the 3 teams closest to them historically. They are all National League Teams. Of the Yankees 40 World Series appearances, 23 of them were against these three franchises and they won 15 of them. They weren't beating up on patsies.

Code:

Cardinals .521 | 31 playoffs | 19 pennants | 11 WS | 20 MVP | 49 HOF
Giants... .536 | 27 playoffs | 23 pennants | 08 WS | 14 MVP | 57 HOF
Dodgers.. .530 | 33 playoffs | 19 pennants | 07 WS | 14 MVP | 51 HOF

Yankees.. .570 | 57 playoffs | 40 pennants | 27 WS | 22 MVP | 47 HOF


*The Red Sox, Reds, Cubs, and Guardians (weird) would be 4-7 on this list, as an FYI.
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The Hartford dark blues must of been sad  
eli4life : 5/20/2022 12:00 pm : link
You changed teams
RE: no  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/20/2022 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15714254 UConn4523 said:
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since week 2 or 3 of the season, lol. Love this fanbase.


Yeah. It's almost like they stopped losing series to the O's and started winning games?

Crazy!
Just to follow up on my earlier post, here are side by sides  
BigBlueBuff : 5/20/2022 12:09 pm : link
of some other great rivalries. I saw someone mention Manchester United, but it's really difficult to sort out league titles easily in the tiered system of English football and they are actually only one (20) ahead of Liverpool (19) for the most league titles in the top tier.

In basketball there are two teams and one else is close.

Code:

Lakers. .592 | 62 playoffs | 17 Titles
Celtics .590 | 59 playoffs | 17 Titles


In hockey the Canadiens are head and shoulders above everyone else. I'm not a hockey fan at all but I would love to know why the Bruins have underachieved in the post season so much. Were they constantly meeting Montreal?

Code:

Canadiens.. .583 | 85 playoffs | 23 Stanley Cups
Maple Leafs .515 | 70 playoffs | 13 Stanley Cups
Red Wings.. .531 | 64 playoffs | 11 Stanley Cups
Bruins..... .564 | 74 playoffs | 6 Stanley Cups
UNC mens hoops from late 60s to  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/20/2022 12:23 pm : link
early 00s under Doherty? I know, just 2 titles, but 13 Final Four appearances.
remember, in the Original 6 era  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2022 12:26 pm : link
Four of the six teams made the playoffs every year. A lot of teams that weren't particularly good thus were playoff teams. This was 1942-67. In those 25 seasons, Montreal and Toronto combined to win 19 Cups. That era gave teams territorial rights - IOW, teams had exclusive negotiating rights with players who lived within 50 miles of their city. This gave Montreal and Toronto massive advantages in talent over American teams. The best American franchise of the era was the Red Wings, who had a slice of Ontario in their territory. And, yes, the Bruins did lose to the Canadiens seven times in the Finals. They have never beaten Montreal in the Finals. They also lost to the Oilers twice in the 80s.
RE: RE: no  
UConn4523 : 5/20/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15714330 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 15714254 UConn4523 said:


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since week 2 or 3 of the season, lol. Love this fanbase.



Yeah. It's almost like they stopped losing series to the O's and started winning games?

Crazy!


Yeah, firing everyone after 2 weeks is crazy, I would agree.
RE: RE: RE: no  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/20/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15714427 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15714330 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 15714254 UConn4523 said:


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since week 2 or 3 of the season, lol. Love this fanbase.



Yeah. It's almost like they stopped losing series to the O's and started winning games?

Crazy!



Yeah, firing everyone after 2 weeks is crazy, I would agree.


I wouldn't fire anyone after 2 weeks. But I'm guessing that that was about alot more than just 2 weeks.
Red Wings  
Devour the Day : 5/20/2022 2:01 pm : link
As Greg from LI alluded to the Red Wings history is immpressive though the past 10 have been rough for them. Out of their 95 season history they made the payoffs 64 of them and won 11 champinships.
I became a Yankees fan in 1968  
Milton : 5/20/2022 2:31 pm : link
And had to endure the Mets winning it all in 1969 right off the bat. And they may not have had many losing records, but other than a second place finish in 1974, they were pretty uncompetitive until 1976. So nobody can call me a frontrunner, I put up with 8 years of meaningless baseball before getting to enjoy some winning.
p.s.--This year's Yankees aren't the superpower their recent streak suggests. Too many guys are producing well above their career averages for me to see them as the the team to beat in the East. That's still Tampa Bay as far as I'm concerned.
RE: remember, in the Original 6 era  
BigBlueBuff : 5/20/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15714361 Greg from LI said:
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Four of the six teams made the playoffs every year. A lot of teams that weren't particularly good thus were playoff teams. This was 1942-67. In those 25 seasons, Montreal and Toronto combined to win 19 Cups. That era gave teams territorial rights - IOW, teams had exclusive negotiating rights with players who lived within 50 miles of their city. This gave Montreal and Toronto massive advantages in talent over American teams. The best American franchise of the era was the Red Wings, who had a slice of Ontario in their territory. And, yes, the Bruins did lose to the Canadiens seven times in the Finals. They have never beaten Montreal in the Finals. They also lost to the Oilers twice in the 80s.


Ah, see, I did not know this about hockey. That only makes those baseball numbers, with the emphasis on regular season success, all the more impressive.
Minnesota Lynx in the WNBA?  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2022 3:53 pm : link
.
they did miss the playoffs for 12 straight years  
cactus : 5/20/2022 4:12 pm : link
starting in the early 80s

the funny thing is they're the primary reason for salary caps in sports. but pretty much every other major sport actually has a cap, except for baseball.
Why stop at the 70s?  
Matt M. : 5/20/2022 5:28 pm : link
The Yankees are basically at 100 years of competitiveness. As others have pointed,they only had 4 years of sustained losing recordsbd only 2 decades in which they didn't win at least 1 WS. Even at that, the Yankees had more wins than any other team on the 80s.
RE: Why stop at the 70s?  
Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15714573 Matt M. said:
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The Yankees are basically at 100 years of competitiveness. As others have pointed,they only had 4 years of sustained losing recordsbd only 2 decades in which they didn't win at least 1 WS. Even at that, the Yankees had more wins than any other team on the 80s.


Understood, but after the ‘64 WS, they were essentially crap for 10-12 years..From ‘49-‘64 they were amazingly good/great, imv, but that 10-12 year gap was not good so I started with the last 50 years
The Celtics of the late 50s' and 60s.  
short lease : 5/20/2022 6:26 pm : link
dominated the league every year.

But, the Yankees longevity ... unapparelled.

How many world championships do they have 26 - 27? At one time the math was 1 championship every 4 years (average). That is mind boggling.

All done with different owners, personnel, etc...

On the 8th day, God created the Yankees (only explanation - Divine Intervention)

; )
Lakers have a better history of consistent winning  
Azul Grande : 5/20/2022 6:44 pm : link
Lakers were founded in 1947, making them 75 years old. The Lakers have 17 championships

Yankees were founded in 1903, making them 117 years old. The Yankees have 27 championships

So the Lakers and Yankees have both won 23% of their sport's championships.

But here's the amazing stat: the Lakers have played in 32 NBA finals in 75 years. That's 43% - nearly half! - of all NBA seasons in history where they played in the last NBA game of the year.

The Yankees have played in 40 of the 117 World Series, or 34%. Nothing to sneeze at! But the Lakers record is more amazing.

RE: Why stop at the 70s?  
Azul Grande : 5/20/2022 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15714573 Matt M. said:
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The Yankees are basically at 100 years of competitiveness. As others have pointed,they only had 4 years of sustained losing recordsbd only 2 decades in which they didn't win at least 1 WS. Even at that, the Yankees had more wins than any other team on the 80s.


The Lakers won championships in every decade except the one that ended in 1970, which was a real failure of a decade - they only made the NBA Finals 7 of those 10 years.

Oh and you can very credibly say that 6 of the top 7 NBA players of all time played very meaningful parts of their career and won championships with the Lakers (Lebron, Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Wilt).





In Reverse Order  
Dennis : 5/20/2022 7:15 pm : link
Here's a second opinion:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/119441-10-greatest-sports-franchises-of-all-time
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RE: In Reverse Order  
Dennis : 5/20/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15714632 Dennis said:
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Here's a second opinion:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/119441-10-greatest-sports-franchises-of-all-time The 10 Greatest American Sports Franchises of All Time - ( New Window )



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RE: The Celtics of the late 50s' and 60s.  
Milton : 5/20/2022 11:21 pm : link
In comment 15714603 short lease said:
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dominated the league every year.

But, the Yankees longevity ... unapparelled.
They were naked?
RE: RE: The Celtics of the late 50s' and 60s.  
Dennis : 5/20/2022 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15714819 Milton said:
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In comment 15714603 short lease said:


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dominated the league every year.

But, the Yankees longevity ... unapparelled.

They were naked?


LOL. Good catch.
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