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NFT: Rangers @ Hurricanes, Game 2

ShockNRoll : 5/20/2022 10:50 am
I think we learned in game 1 that there is not as much of a gap between the Rangers and Hurricanes as many people may have thought...until the third period. Still, for 40 minutes, the Rangers were the better team and I expect them to come out more aggressively and generate some more offense tonight. Really hope Panarin is able to figure things out quickly or at least make a play or two to jumpstart the second line who has been pretty much invisible for much of these first 8 playoff games. I wouldn't be surprised if in the second period or so if they aren't on the scoreboard yet, to see Gallant move Motte up into the top 6, as he has clearly been one of their best forwards (aside from the kid line). Let's get this back to NY all knotted up.
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Aho for the Insulter Empty Net  
Percy : 5/20/2022 10:47 pm : link
Sad game.
The no-shows continue.  
Anakim : 5/20/2022 10:48 pm : link
The only two forwards who played hard were Laf and Motte
Igor didn't face much either.  
Kev in Cali : 5/20/2022 10:52 pm : link
We looked slow...and this thought stems from the bruins games where CAR looked like they were on a PP when 5 on 5.
And while I agree with moving Laf up in the lineup  
Anakim : 5/20/2022 10:54 pm : link
I don't know why Gallant stuck with the Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano line. At least flip Copp and Vatrano.


IDK, that was just a terrible offensive performance. We couldn't break through.
I know at this point anything we get is gravy  
redbeard : 5/20/2022 10:55 pm : link
No one expected this young, untested squad to make a run

But I really don’t want them to go out with a whimper….
......  
Route 9 : 5/20/2022 10:55 pm : link
I didn't see the third quarter because I had to leave. I'm sure I missed so much. I saw that they were down 1-0 and maybe they can come back tie the game and win the game in overtime just like what happened to them in game 1. How much of a surprise? That never fucking happens
Kakko played fewer minutes than Reaves I think  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2022 10:55 pm : link
Which makes not a damned bit of sense
RE: Jesus Panarin  
Joe Beckwith : 5/20/2022 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15714782 The_Boss said:
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Does he have a substance abuse problem?
Playing like a 2021 6th round draft pick just brought in from off their eliminated ECHL franchise because he lives near the arena and there was a late afternoon practice injury. In every game.
If you're looking for some optimism  
Anakim : 5/20/2022 10:59 pm : link
The Hurricanes didn't win a game on the road against Boston in the previous series
What's most aggravating is it's not as if they're giving up a ton of c  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2022 10:59 pm : link
Carolina really is doing little offensively. The Rangers just are doing even less.

Not giving up. Crappy as these games were, they were right in both of them. Come out flying in game 3.
ton of chances  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2022 10:59 pm : link
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Panarin  
five5 : 5/20/2022 11:01 pm : link
feasts on the bad teams. Carolina isn’t that. Carolina makes the Rangers look very slow. Both games 1-0 going into the 3rd. One team has a defensive structure…the other not do much.
RE: RE: Jesus Panarin  
Anakim : 5/20/2022 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15714803 Joe Beckwith said:
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Does he have a substance abuse problem?
Playing like a 2021 6th round draft pick just brought in from off their eliminated ECHL franchise because he lives near the arena and there was a late afternoon practice injury. In every game.


It might've been Ray Ferraro who pointed it out on the telecast, but he said that Panarin is at his most effective when he has space and time. Well, the issue with that is that when you're in the playoffs, the opposing coach knows all too well the scouting report on Panarin. Thus, Panarin, like Kucherov has, must evolve and adapt to playing with little space. Otherwise, he's completely useless out there.
RE: RE: Jesus Panarin  
Kev in Cali : 5/20/2022 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15714803 Joe Beckwith said:
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Does he have a substance abuse problem?
Playing like a 2021 6th round draft pick just brought in from off their eliminated ECHL franchise because he lives near the arena and there was a late afternoon practice injury. In every game.


Nah, I think he has a leg inj/hurt. And the rest of team is getting tired.
Bench Reaves. No need to play him anymore.  
Anakim : 5/20/2022 11:07 pm : link
Shuffle the lines. I would keep the Kid Line and just flip Copp and Vatrano. See how that goes for a period or two.
Carolina goes to the net and throws pucks at the net  
Snablats : 5/20/2022 11:09 pm : link
The Rangers do the opposite, passes to the wings when in the slot, no one in front

I think Panarin is hurt, Id guess Fox as well because he has been bad, too

2-1 and 1-0. Its not like they arent in the game. Gotta get pucks and traffic to the net, just like they started doing when trailing Pitt 3-1. And it worked

They should have put Kakko up sooner with Zib and Kreider. Kakko looks great along the boards, really playing hard. Maybe that will be the line on Sunday
RE: RE: RE: Jesus Panarin  
FrankHuntington : 5/20/2022 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15714810 Kev in Cali said:
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Does he have a substance abuse problem?
Playing like a 2021 6th round draft pick just brought in from off their eliminated ECHL franchise because he lives near the arena and there was a late afternoon practice injury. In every game.



Nah, I think he has a leg inj/hurt. And the rest of team is getting tired.



Gtfoh re: an injury to Panarin.

Hes been a shit player 9 playoff games for us this year....he isnt hurt. He is playing scared and yea the less place should bother him a little but he and that whole save Copp has been a barf fest
They don't play with the same intensity as the Hurricanes  
GFAN52 : 5/20/2022 11:14 pm : link
lack of goal scoring was going to catch up to them in the playoffs and it has.
Car won their  
kcgiants : 5/20/2022 11:17 pm : link
first two home games.
Now we go home and win our two home games.
The series is not over. I see this going 7 games. We meaning Rangers played two good games but the puck bounced their way and they won both. We hold home ice and it will be 2-2. So let's don't go chicken little and see the sky is falling. Home cooking solves a lot. Remember Carolina's series with Boston. The home teams won their games. Rangers just need to win their home games and win one at Carolina. LGR
Those looking to bail out Panarin  
FrankHuntington : 5/20/2022 11:19 pm : link
due to injury, has anybody noticed any shifts over the course of the game where he was laborung to the bench?

Bullshit, there absolutely no excuse for our teams highest scoring forward to be so useless in these playoffs.

Panarin has played like dog shut save for one shot this playoffs and looks like the moment is too big for him.
Trouba backing up what I just said  
Snablats : 5/20/2022 11:21 pm : link
Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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Trouba: "They’re a good defensive team. They’re good in their D zone. (We have to) get more pucks to the net, get more bodies to the net, more traffic – create your own luck, create your own bounces. That's gotta be a little more of our mindset."
RE: Those looking to bail out Panarin  
Matt M. : 5/20/2022 11:21 pm : link
In comment 15714816 FrankHuntington said:
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due to injury, has anybody noticed any shifts over the course of the game where he was laborung to the bench?

Bullshit, there absolutely no excuse for our teams highest scoring forward to be so useless in these playoffs.

Panarin has played like dog shut save for one shot this playoffs and looks like the moment is too big for him.
Agree with this 100%. I was really expecting that series ender to start something.
Too early to talk about that  
Anakim : 5/20/2022 11:23 pm : link
But I could see this being Panarin's swan song on Broadway. Forget that his buddy Strome is almost assuredly going to leave via free agency. Drury/Dolan harps on being a tougher team to play against and as we've seen in the postseason, Panarin is pretty easy to play against. I mean he's finesse to the core. Given the season he just had, I could see Drury eating some of his salary (which is exorbitant) and getting some quality assets for him in a trade (although Drury's definition of a quality return is a bottom-six player and a second round pick, but I digress). He can then use that money to re-sign our RFAs like Kakko and Chytil, while also extending Laf and K'Andre and even making a splash in free agency, if he wants.

But of course that leads to another issue because Panarin is our most skilled offensive player. He has the best vision, passing ability and wrist shot of anyone on this team. Skill doesn't translate as well in postseason as we've seen, but it can certainly help you actually GET to that plateau.

IDK, it's a shitty situation.
That was just a gross game  
Matt M. : 5/20/2022 11:23 pm : link
They looked slow, listless, and sloppy.
RE: RE: Those looking to bail out Panarin  
FrankHuntington : 5/20/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15714818 Matt M. said:
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due to injury, has anybody noticed any shifts over the course of the game where he was laborung to the bench?

Bullshit, there absolutely no excuse for our teams highest scoring forward to be so useless in these playoffs.

Panarin has played like dog shut save for one shot this playoffs and looks like the moment is too big for him.

Agree with this 100%. I was really expecting that series ender to start something.


He looks TERRIFIED out there and completely out of place with how playoff hockey is meant to be played.

You want a stunner I would be all over? Drop him down to 4th so that the rest of players can work the puck loose to catch him wide open for a play on net. Because he is playing a freshman playing his first varsity game out there.
RE: Too early to talk about that  
FrankHuntington : 5/20/2022 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15714820 Anakim said:
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But I could see this being Panarin's swan song on Broadway. Forget that his buddy Strome is almost assuredly going to leave via free agency. Drury/Dolan harps on being a tougher team to play against and as we've seen in the postseason, Panarin is pretty easy to play against. I mean he's finesse to the core. Given the season he just had, I could see Drury eating some of his salary (which is exorbitant) and getting some quality assets for him in a trade (although Drury's definition of a quality return is a bottom-six player and a second round pick, but I digress). He can then use that money to re-sign our RFAs like Kakko and Chytil, while also extending Laf and K'Andre and even making a splash in free agency, if he wants.

But of course that leads to another issue because Panarin is our most skilled offensive player. He has the best vision, passing ability and wrist shot of anyone on this team. Skill doesn't translate as well in postseason as we've seen, but it can certainly help you actually GET to that plateau.

IDK, it's a shitty situation.


Yet I was KILLED for even suggesting the Rangers should be open to the idea given our future cap.

This guy through 9 games (I kept saying to myself "okay, just get going a little bit, be more aggressive and initiate the play. Pfffft, it almost seems like he cant wait to get off the ice.
Woof  
Professor Falken : 5/20/2022 11:35 pm : link
Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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SOG totals for the #NYR top-9 forwards tonight:

Kreider: 0
Panarin: 0
Copp: 0
Strome: 1
Laf: 1
Chytil: 1
Kakko: 1
Vatrano: 2
Zibanejad: 2

(FWIW- Carolina blocked 23 shots)
He has what? 7 points in 9 gamesthis playoffs?  
FrankHuntington : 5/20/2022 11:44 pm : link
That might be passable for a player in your top 6 whose sole purpose is to score points....he literally does nothing else. The fact that he cant figure out how to score points, or shit....get the puck on net a couple times in a game is maddening.
*isn't to score points  
FrankHuntington : 5/20/2022 11:44 pm : link
Dammit.
23 shots on target  
FrankHuntington : 5/20/2022 11:50 pm : link
In 9 games for your number 1 offensive threat is abyssmal and something you can directly point to. Zibanejad at least woke up 4 games ago.
Last thing I am going to post on this for the night. Panarin  
FrankHuntington : 5/21/2022 12:01 am : link
Is currently 33rd out of 50 in terms of shots. I understand, shots arent the only metric, but when you average less than 3 per game (this is with his being on the top PP unit too), your only attribute is scoring....

I dont know what I am missing other than he doesnt have the stomach nor game for playoff hockey. We wanted a playoff scorer but we got a cuter Oksana Baiul
RE: 23 shots on target  
JayBinQueens : 5/21/2022 12:27 am : link
In comment 15714828 FrankHuntington said:
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In 9 games for your number 1 offensive threat is abyssmal and something you can directly point to. Zibanejad at least woke up 4 games ago.

Where do you think the Rangers would be without Panarin thud year
Having been there in person tonight  
Costy16 : 5/21/2022 12:36 am : link
Fox looks hurt. He bends over at the waist like he’s 85 years old. He has zero jump to his game and has played like garbage.

Their defensive structure has been tremendous. None of Carolina’s top forwards did anything. Problem is the Rangers top forwards were nowhere to be found. Tyler Motte forechecks better than anyone on the team.

Panarin should absolutely be explored as a trade option this summer. He was absolutely fucking atrocious on every shift he took. $11.8M AAV for that doesn’t cut it.
RE: RE: 23 shots on target  
FrankHuntington : 5/21/2022 12:42 am : link
In comment 15714832 JayBinQueens said:
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In 9 games for your number 1 offensive threat is abyssmal and something you can directly point to. Zibanejad at least woke up 4 games ago.


Where do you think the Rangers would be without Panarin thud year


Im not questioning that in the least. But what good is that if when the season matters most, your game is rendered completely useless and impotent and you have to pay 10 mill a year for that? I mean this is like the Rick Nash argument of years past except Rick played his ass off on defense and was involved with killing penalties.

His career numbers in the play offs are 10 goals 18 assists and a -9.....he is not a playoff player, I think we should sell high and use his cap numbers on signing our kids (who dont turn into daisies when May comes around), I like all three of Copp Motte and Vatrano a lot, maybe we can get an upgrade at LD....but devoting all of these resources into a scorer who doesnt score in the playoffs is just foolish.
RE: Having been there in person tonight  
FrankHuntington : 5/21/2022 12:43 am : link
In comment 15714833 Costy16 said:
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Fox looks hurt. He bends over at the waist like he’s 85 years old. He has zero jump to his game and has played like garbage.

Their defensive structure has been tremendous. None of Carolina’s top forwards did anything. Problem is the Rangers top forwards were nowhere to be found. Tyler Motte forechecks better than anyone on the team.

Panarin should absolutely be explored as a trade option this summer. He was absolutely fucking atrocious on every shift he took. $11.8M AAV for that doesn’t cut it.


Thank you!
Btw, those playoff numbers are  
FrankHuntington : 5/21/2022 12:44 am : link
After 30 career playoff games.

He's a flamingo.
RE: Having been there in person tonight  
FrankHuntington : 5/21/2022 12:48 am : link
In comment 15714833 Costy16 said:
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Fox looks hurt. He bends over at the waist like he’s 85 years old. He has zero jump to his game and has played like garbage.

Their defensive structure has been tremendous. None of Carolina’s top forwards did anything. Problem is the Rangers top forwards were nowhere to be found. Tyler Motte forechecks better than anyone on the team.

Panarin should absolutely be explored as a trade option this summer. He was absolutely fucking atrocious on every shift he took. $11.8M AAV for that doesn’t cut it.


When you were there, a lot of the times this type of thing doesnt get caught on tape, but did you ever see Panarin look like he wanted to stay on the ice? I know thats very subjective, but for a guy that was having a hard time, I would want to see him staying on longer or double shifting.

Just curious, because just seems to skate through his shift and then head back to the bench. Nothing to his game.
......  
Route 9 : 5/21/2022 1:39 am : link
Another gripping clash between Edmonton and Calgary. Those two teams probably have more goals in the first two games (each) of this series than the Rangers do in the entire playoffs, with their grandma paced hockey.
The problem isn’t the wingers  
Dave on the UWS : 5/21/2022 7:46 am : link
it’s the center position. I made this point yesterday afternoon, you don’t win in the playoffs with Ziby and Strom as your C1and C2. Without an Alpha at center ice to dictate puck control and pace, a good defensive team can take your wingers out of the game. The Devils won several Cups doing this.
The biggest problem the Rangers have is they don’t have that C1 guy and there are no prospects in the organization projected to be one.
Just finished watching the game unspoiled on DVR.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/21/2022 8:41 am : link
How is this team supposed to win if Panarin, Fox, Kreider, and Zibby (to a lesser extent) are all awful?? Not even fighting to a draw, but actually awful? How are they supposed to score on the PP when 2 or 3 guys refuse to shoot the puck?? Panarin is a turnover waiting to happen every shift and will not shoot the puck. Fox is a non entity who will turn the puck over with the slightest hint of physicality from an opponent. Kreider is invisible. Zibby’s inability to win face offs is killing them. Too many guys have no idea how much sacrifice and sell out it takes to win these kinds of games.

To give up the only goal of the game like that was fucking pathetic. Never even gave Shesty a chance.
From Mercogliano  
Costy16 : 5/21/2022 8:46 am : link
Artemi Panarin said the game plan is more “conservative” for the playoffs and #NYR  can’t take as many risks, which is why we haven’t seen him making some of the crazy plays he did during the regular season.

“I would love to do some stupid shit on the blue line, but I can’t.

If he doesn’t like playing here, leave.
RE: RE: Having been there in person tonight  
Costy16 : 5/21/2022 8:55 am : link
In comment 15714837 FrankHuntington said:
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In comment 15714833 Costy16 said:


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Fox looks hurt. He bends over at the waist like he’s 85 years old. He has zero jump to his game and has played like garbage.

Their defensive structure has been tremendous. None of Carolina’s top forwards did anything. Problem is the Rangers top forwards were nowhere to be found. Tyler Motte forechecks better than anyone on the team.

Panarin should absolutely be explored as a trade option this summer. He was absolutely fucking atrocious on every shift he took. $11.8M AAV for that doesn’t cut it.



When you were there, a lot of the times this type of thing doesnt get caught on tape, but did you ever see Panarin look like he wanted to stay on the ice? I know thats very subjective, but for a guy that was having a hard time, I would want to see him staying on longer or double shifting.

Just curious, because just seems to skate through his shift and then head back to the bench. Nothing to his game.


He is doing the bare minimum. Guy doesn't like contact at all. He also overthinks (along with the rest of the team) about shooting. But het treats the puck like a live grenade.
I think Panarin and Fox are hurt  
Snablats : 5/21/2022 10:28 am : link
Neither has played anywhere close to their typical game
RE: From Mercogliano  
JayBinQueens : 5/21/2022 11:46 am : link
In comment 15714887 Costy16 said:
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Artemi Panarin said the game plan is more “conservative” for the playoffs and #NYR  can’t take as many risks, which is why we haven’t seen him making some of the crazy plays he did during the regular season.

“I would love to do some stupid shit on the blue line, but I can’t.

If he doesn’t like playing here, leave.


Player says plan is more conservative.

Player says he can't take more risks like in the regular season because of the conservative plan

Fan: Player doesn't like playing here get him out
RE: From Mercogliano  
BrettNYG10 : 5/21/2022 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15714887 Costy16 said:
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Artemi Panarin said the game plan is more “conservative” for the playoffs and #NYR  can’t take as many risks, which is why we haven’t seen him making some of the crazy plays he did during the regular season.

“I would love to do some stupid shit on the blue line, but I can’t.

If he doesn’t like playing here, leave.


Forwards seem to be conservative in the neutral zone with a softer forecheck but they are the same once in the offensive zone.

We had a four minute power play and did nothing with it. Who's that on?

Also the forward backcheck on the Smith goal sucked.
RE: RE: From Mercogliano  
Costy16 : 5/21/2022 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15714985 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 15714887 Costy16 said:


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Artemi Panarin said the game plan is more “conservative” for the playoffs and #NYR  can’t take as many risks, which is why we haven’t seen him making some of the crazy plays he did during the regular season.

“I would love to do some stupid shit on the blue line, but I can’t.

If he doesn’t like playing here, leave.



Player says plan is more conservative.

Player says he can't take more risks like in the regular season because of the conservative plan

Fan: Player doesn't like playing here get him out


This wouldn’t be the first time its been hinted that Panarin doesnt like playing in Gallanta system.
Panarin  
five5 : 5/21/2022 3:05 pm : link
With excuses. Team had a ton of chances in game 1. They need to play this way if they have any chance to win.
Panarin  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2022 5:57 pm : link
had a career best in points (also games played so not ppg), but also a near career low shooting %.

He needs to shoot more. He has a good shot. Not sure though why he can't still be creative just not at the blue line. I can't imagine a system or approach that wants him making moves at the blue line.

Rangers played competitive hockey on the road and lost two close games. This act by the fans on this thread is pathetic. Both those games could have gone either way. They didn't go your way, so you move on.

They protect home ice and it's a new series.
RE: Panarin  
FrankHuntington : 5/21/2022 6:48 pm : link
In comment 15715279 pjcas18 said:
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had a career best in points (also games played so not ppg), but also a near career low shooting %.

He needs to shoot more. He has a good shot. Not sure though why he can't still be creative just not at the blue line. I can't imagine a system or approach that wants him making moves at the blue line.

Rangers played competitive hockey on the road and lost two close games. This act by the fans on this thread is pathetic. Both those games could have gone either way. They didn't go your way, so you move on.

They protect home ice and it's a new series.


Okay......so then how do we explain Panarin's numbers in all 30 games he has played? 28 points in 30 games and a -9.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....

Hes not a good player in the playoffs nor has he shown any willingness to be and he is making a shit ton of money that limits what we can do with the team. I dont think you would be happy with a player like that either pj.
RE: RE: Panarin  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15715306 FrankHuntington said:
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In comment 15715279 pjcas18 said:


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had a career best in points (also games played so not ppg), but also a near career low shooting %.

He needs to shoot more. He has a good shot. Not sure though why he can't still be creative just not at the blue line. I can't imagine a system or approach that wants him making moves at the blue line.

Rangers played competitive hockey on the road and lost two close games. This act by the fans on this thread is pathetic. Both those games could have gone either way. They didn't go your way, so you move on.

They protect home ice and it's a new series.



Okay......so then how do we explain Panarin's numbers in all 30 games he has played? 28 points in 30 games and a -9.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....

Hes not a good player in the playoffs nor has he shown any willingness to be and he is making a shit ton of money that limits what we can do with the team. I dont think you would be happy with a player like that either pj.


Sorry, my post was in regards to the Panarin "not wanting to be here" comment. He explicitly picked the NYR - maybe more for geography than coach or system, but I doubt he wants to leave because of Gallant's playoff conservative approach.

He's a finesse player. People who know me on here know I would build a team of grit players over finesse players all day long - I was even suggesting I'd have to think pretty long about who I'd pick first if starting a team, Matthew Tkachuk or McDavid - in the end I'm not crazy, I'd take McDavid, but the fact I think that highly of Tkachuk was more a comment about him than McDavid.

Tkachuk's presence (as well as Lucic) enables Johnny Gaudreau to be Johnny Gaudreau - difference is Tkachuk brings that presence and puts up 100 points (Lucic puts up 20 points). McDavid isn't really a finesse player anyway - he had 75 hits (Panarin and Gaudreau probably had under 20).


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