Jones has enabled people to ignore how bad Saquon is

that Barkley is a Giant next year short of him having a ridiculous year and the Giants making a run in the playoffs.

but he gained over 3,500 yards from scrimmage in his first two years in the league in an offense which ranked in the bottom 5 in the NFL and had a terrible OL. Yes, he has problems in pass protection and isn't your typical between the tackles kind of runner, but prior to his torn ACL he was one of the most dangerous players in the NFL with the ball in space.

I'll give him a pass for 2021 as most players not named AP take 18+ months to recover 100% from ACL reconstruction. I don't understand the hate on this board for Saquon but I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do in a dynamic offensive scheme with an improved OL.

And OL was a turnstile

And OL scheme the past 2 years was horrible

But outside of that....you are absolutely right

and has been for a long, long time.

"He is going to want a large contract and has proven he cannot stay healthy" comments. The are contradictory and don't make much sense. How can he get a large contract without being healthy and playing well? What player doesn't want a large contract?

Now, not nearly the "beating a dead horse" discussion as there is on Jones. But, honestly, it gets old seeing those discussions.

about this not being discussed enough. I feel the same way about Daniel Jones.

To really beat this a bit further…it should read

Did Mara by hiring Gettleman who drafted Jones enable us to ignore how bad Barkley is…despite being touched by the hand of G-d.

and I hope we don't re-sign him. Better yet, I hope we trade him at the deadline.

the phrase "he's going to want a large $ contract" please?

This is not unique to Saquon or any other player or any other professional.

is how well does he need to play to even get a contract offer from us? If he doesn't play well or gets hurt again, its a moot point, because it isn't happening.

So, exact same situation as Jones and definitely need another 400 threads on it.

that some people made him out to be.

He is not good enough to make a bad OL look better than it is, he is not a good blocker for the QB, and he is not a particularly patient runner, does not set up his blocks or wait for them to develop when in space. He is built like a power runner but doesn't have the physicality behind the look.

much more creative and competent coaching staff (with the hope of at least an average offensive line) Barkley does before throwing him on the scrap heap.

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that Barkley is a Giant next year short of him having a ridiculous year and the Giants making a run in the playoffs.

almost 0 chance he will ever be that player again

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but he gained over 3,500 yards from scrimmage in his first two years in the league in an offense which ranked in the bottom 5 in the NFL

sorry meant to reply to this

He's a top 10-15 Rb for sure. In his defense, his OL's here have been horrendous. Maybe he has a huge year this season. I do think, regardless, his future is in another NFL city. The NYG cannot give him a 2nd contract.

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is how well does he need to play to even get a contract offer from us? If he doesn't play well or gets hurt again, its a moot point, because it isn't happening. So, exact same situation as Jones and definitely need another 400 threads on it.

Thanks for adding sanity to this post. Jones’s inconsistencies aren’t causing people to forget about Barkley, and rightly or wrongly they’re both talked about ad nauseam. DJ just happens to play the most important position in the sport while Saquon plays a more de-valued position. Both probably get more hate than they deserve, but both may be gone if they continue getting hurt or playing subpar. That’s really it.

It's pretty simple, SB needs to demonstrate he's got the wheels, burst, and confidence back, and he needs to show growth with regards to patience with blocks, finding and hitting the holes as designed, show some friggin toughness and get the job done.

Fall short and it's either goodbye or a big compromise on his next contract. Make no mistake, he's viewed by the owners as a face of the NYG franchise. He's going to have to play himself off the team, but now I think you've got a GM/HC who will guide this to a proper conclusion.

If he gets more of a pass, I think it's due to the hope that he just needs to regain full health, not because Jones soaks up the negative spotlight.

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In comment 15714234 Doubledeuce22 said: Quote: that Barkley is a Giant next year short of him having a ridiculous year and the Giants making a run in the playoffs. almost 0 chance he will ever be that player again

A lot of assumptions being made without having access to Saquon and his workouts. He may not be the same player, he may have just needed an extra year to recover. We should really stop with the conjecture here.

... and it makes sense from the Giants perspective, is if he actually takes market value for a gadget player with a ton of miles on him. Which would be a huge pay cut that I'm not sure he'd be willing to take from the Giants.

Best case scenario is he plays well enough for Schoen to trick a team into trading a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline.

But a healthy SB used properly with half way competent Oline can be a difference maker. That's a lot of if's, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

Year wasn’t a fluke. However, I do agree if he doesn’t produce something close to his rookie season, he is gone. Even if he does have a great year again, I think he gets a franchise tag at best. Prove it in 2022. Prove it again in 2023.

Daboll and Kapka should be able to create a wide-open offense that will utilize whichever of the playmakers (Barkley, Toney, Golladay) can meet expectations. All 3 probably won’t meet expectations but we can hope for 2 out of 3, plus contributions from Slayton, Wan’dale, and at least one from the TE, H-back position.

if he doesnt they wont. When he is healthy and used correctly he can be an amazing talent. The last 2 years he was not used correctly and then the injuries. this staff will evaluate him and see if he's worth keeping and go from there.

I hope he has a monster season, its a good problem to have. If he has a monster season he is going to want a huge contract and I think Schoen will let him walk in that scenario or Franchise him to see what he can do 2 years in a row. For me its hard to give a RB a long term contract.

If he doesnt do well this year we wont want him back and he will probably get a modest 1 year prove it deal somewhere else.

What is the Mara effect here? Saquon is the face of the franchise, could the owner step in and say he wants him back? He might.

Lets all hope he has a great season, it makes us a better team and at some point this team needs to start winning and now worry about giving a guy that had a great season a contract. The franchises that stay on top let good players leave when their price gets too high and backfill. If you have a solid core you can keep building on that. RB is no longer a core position and the Bills are a good example of that. The whole RB group was making half of what Saquon is making. You can get a cheap RB in FA.

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... and it makes sense from the Giants perspective, is if he actually takes market value for a gadget player with a ton of miles on him. Which would be a huge pay cut that I'm not sure he'd be willing to take from the Giants. Best case scenario is he plays well enough for Schoen to trick a team into trading a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline.

We say these things now, but we have no idea how Daboll plans to use him. He has been dinged by injuries, poor scheme fits and bad olines. He himself has flaws. But if they turn him into something resembling what Alvin Kamara does, I think they’d try to keep him. We don’t know what the plan is for him yet.

and putting players in position to succeed, we did the exact opposite with SB.

I'm expecting a much better fit.

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and putting players in position to succeed, we did the exact opposite with SB.

I was just thinking the same thing. He can’t pass block well so let’s have him pass block?

what would have put players, specifically Barkley in position to succeed is Gettleman not sitting on his ass telling the world he knew best while the offensive line was a burning dumpster.

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but he gained over 3,500 yards from scrimmage in his first two years in the league in an offense which ranked in the bottom 5 in the NFL and had a terrible OL. Yes, he has problems in pass protection and isn't your typical between the tackles kind of runner, but prior to his torn ACL he was one of the most dangerous players in the NFL with the ball in space. I'll give him a pass for 2021 as most players not named AP take 18+ months to recover 100% from ACL reconstruction. I don't understand the hate on this board for Saquon but I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do in a dynamic offensive scheme with an improved OL.

Agreed. I think he and Jones will play better in 2022, but not well enough to FT or resign. This is the last year for both IMO.

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And OL was a turnstile And OL scheme the past 2 years was horrible But outside of that....you are absolutely right

He also severely sprained his ankle ONE year after ACL surgery.

He’s an explosive, dynamic player when healthy. Full stop.

Some of us have gone full fucking stupid on Barkley. Agendas will do that.

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In comment 15714239 csb said: Quote: but he gained over 3,500 yards from scrimmage in his first two years in the league in an offense which ranked in the bottom 5 in the NFL and had a terrible OL. Yes, he has problems in pass protection and isn't your typical between the tackles kind of runner, but prior to his torn ACL he was one of the most dangerous players in the NFL with the ball in space. I'll give him a pass for 2021 as most players not named AP take 18+ months to recover 100% from ACL reconstruction. I don't understand the hate on this board for Saquon but I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do in a dynamic offensive scheme with an improved OL. Agreed. I think he and Jones will play better in 2022, but not well enough to FT or resign. This is the last year for both IMO.

This is how I see it. Better but not good enough, and moving on.

give a 2nd contract to a RB. They didn't even draft one. The HC has already singled out the UDFA RB as someone who has caught his eye. The film doesn't lie. What Barkley put on film last year is unacceptable for an NFL RB. He was afraid of contact. Everyone saw that.

Hopefully the GM has enough juice to choose his own players and contracts after 2022.

When you are racing the defender to the ball and that’s just the handoff

But he'll be wearing a Green and Black Jersey, playing for his hometown team.

did you know:

Phil Simms first three years in the league- 67 combined TO's, 45 Int's 22 Fum

Daniel Jones first three years in the league- 65 combined TO's, 29 ints 36 Fum

Phil Simms first three years in the league- 39 TD passes

Daniel Jones first three years in the league- 45 TD passes

I know these are different eras but, their numbers are very similar. Simms was drafted #7, Jones was drafted #6. They both have missed time in each of their first three years. Now, Simms was injured and missed all of 82 and then was not the starter in 83, before being injured again when he got into a game and missed the rest of that season.

So, if we ignore 82 and 83 (as Simms really didn't play) then Simms's make or break year was 84 and Jones's make or break year is here in 2022. I think we will need to see the same improvement we saw from Simms (though the numbers will need to be more inline with football in 2022) and a chance at the playoffs would need to be part of that.

I am feeling the 84 vibe here quite a bit!

Three broken tackles all year.

hold off on making any conclusions about Saquon until we can actually see him playing fully healthy or at least not coming back from a serious injury then adding to that with a freak ankle sprain to further set him back.

He may have lost a step or lost his confidence and may never be able to tailor his game to be a more aggressive north/south runner but it's impossible to know if any of that is true as we just haven't seen him playing injury or recovery free since his rookie year.....not to mention the Oline, pathetic offense, etc issues surrounding him while trying to come back from said injuries.

Complain all you want about the $$$ going forward and the decision to take a RB that high or his pass blocking issues...but to ignore such obvious context completely is just off base IMO. Hell, he hasn't even had a chance to get the necessary healthy reps in practice (or certainly in games) to even work on his weaknesses. At the end of the day, his main issue just may be that he turns out to be injury prone/unlucky but his play on the field is a very big unknown and TBD for me. I do know that I wouldn't bet against him if this is the year he stays healthy.

It allows us to keep our overvalued players for a couple more years...

because our line has been so bad.

Let's see them with a serviceable line.

is Schoen understands position value. RB is just NOT a position he is going to put big money into.

But I think the discussion usually follows the same format as the Jones discussion. 90% of the board falls into one of two camps...

1. He is a really good player, but system and Oline have made him look terrible

2. He sucks independent of those two factors.

I think it is fair to evaluate both in light of their crappy circumstances, while also acknowledging the struggles each have had also largely falls back on them.

I swear these have to be the same people who change their names that start the same threads. Saquon stinks then writes this:

But seems there is a lack all around of people discussing just how bad Saquon has been. Then they continue,

Is the there any scenario where he is a Giant in 2023? He is going to want a large contract and has proven he cannot stay healthy. Plus, when he has been on the field he has been underwhelming at best since his rookie year.

Well, here goes, only a moron would write this. 1st if he is so bad he can ask for as large a contact as he wants but the market dictates your worth. If he sucks there will be no market. As for is there a scenario he is here next year? Of course there is, that is for the FO and coaching staff to decide. It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. To watch them eat crow and to see their heads explode this year would be so satisfying I am not going to lie. So looking forward to this year.

If Barkley has a great year....he better be traded at deadline....if you do not want him back.

When fully healthy, he is the most entertaining player on team.....

Schoen will have a very hard time letting him walk in FA....if the Giants have a ton of cap space.

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By two guys who currently don’t have jobs. I think that says it all.

A massive bust.

is like being married to a supermodel and complaining that she can't cook.

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is like being married to a supermodel and complaining that she can't cook.

If the supermodel wasn't doing supermodel things but also not cooking, then yeah.

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is like being married to a supermodel and complaining that she can't cook.

Kind of ironic that Saquon does look like a supermodel when he blocks...

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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.

So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?

I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.

Run him into the ground (if he can stay on the field) and send him away.

He's been terrible for a number of different reasons and he can't stay healthy. Absolutely has to go after this season.

season.

There is definitely a scenario where he stays with the Giants. But it's not a likely scenario.

Either way, he's easy to root for. Great guy, great teammate and fun to watch. I look forward to him doing well this year for the Giants and then we'll see what happens after that. The best scenario for all of us is him duplicating his rookie year.

either way. His problem is the same as Jones the very offensive line. The middle sets the pocket for Jones hopefully that can happen this year. I will assume Neal can set the edge and with Engram finally gone lets find a TE who can block and hold onto the ball. Neal and a real TE will help Barkley and Jones. Couple extra first downs a game will lead to more wins and sustained drives.

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It allows us to keep our overvalued players for a couple more years...

not sure if this is /sarc but it works for saquon if he plays well in 22.

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is Schoen understands position value. RB is just NOT a position he is going to put big money into.

Yeah, lets see how long Allen lasts in Buffalo having to carry the RB load on top of the QB load because the Bills cheaped out at RB

Ive said it for months - if you dont have an elite QB, you need a bigtime playmaking RB, a good OL and good coaches

So lets see how Barkley does with a better OL and better coaching

when the real issue is that he is not as advertised. He was supposed to be a "generational running back" and "touched by the hand of God" and received the full benefit of Happy Valley hype and Credulous Crew in the front office. This was nonsense then and obvious nonsense now.

He is not a powerful running back for his supposed size and he can't block to save his life. He is a good receiver, fast and was a shifty runner prior to his knee injury.

I don't think there is any way he is going to be on this team after this year, but it's not fair to kill the guy whose best attributes were diminished by injury because we were idiots who swallowed the hype.

There just isn’t much left to like. The last straw for me was the ankle injury. I know it was a fluke thing, and the play failed because of a terrible throw by Jones. But all Barkley needed to do was keep his head on a pivot once he knew the pass was incomplete. He might still have collided with Lewis, but he would have walked away healthy. Unfair? Perhaps, but the most important ability is availability.
Saquon gets blind-sided, injures ankle. - ( New Window )

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... and it makes sense from the Giants perspective, is if he actually takes market value for a gadget player with a ton of miles on him. Which would be a huge pay cut that I'm not sure he'd be willing to take from the Giants. Best case scenario is he plays well enough for Schoen to trick a team into trading a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline.

with a ton of miles on him?

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There just isn’t much left to like. The last straw for me was the ankle injury. I know it was a fluke thing, and the play failed because of a terrible throw by Jones. But all Barkley needed to do was keep his head on a pivot once he knew the pass was incomplete. He might still have collided with Lewis, but he would have walked away healthy. Unfair? Perhaps, but the most important ability is availability. Saquon gets blind-sided, injures ankle. - ( New Window )

It sorta summed up his NFL career, minus the stellar rookie season. Some players have a penchant for not being able to avoid injuries or bad luck. I hope he's not one of them, but the past three seasons aren't helpful to the view.

and here's hoping their fortunes change as the roster around them improves, and the coaching is better suited to figuring out how to deploy and teach them. So much losing and time lost to injuries tends to deteriorate confidence and state of mind. Swing for the fences, dudes.

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when the real issue is that he is not as advertised. He was supposed to be a "generational running back" and "touched by the hand of God" and received the full benefit of Happy Valley hype and Credulous Crew in the front office. This was nonsense then and obvious nonsense now. He is not a powerful running back for his supposed size and he can't block to save his life. He is a good receiver, fast and was a shifty runner prior to his knee injury. I don't think there is any way he is going to be on this team after this year, but it's not fair to kill the guy whose best attributes were diminished by injury because we were idiots who swallowed the hype.

IMHO, a better summary can not be written.

The only thing I must add is that a RB who is terrified of contact needs a different job. Some athletes just aren't football players.

With Saquan with Judge, but I have to be fair. Barkley is not good for what Garret wanted from the RB. Barkley belongs in a spread offense with a zone blocking system that allows him to use his athletic ability to win. Trying to make Barkley into Derek Henry is the opposite of everything Judge said he would do.

Barkley is very motivated and Daboll/Kafka are not stupid. If the kid can catch a break and stay healthy, a man as talented as Barkley with a chip on his shoulder could do damage in 2022 running behind Neal. 80-90 receptions as well.

Not sure I've ever been more disappointed in a high Giants draft pick. He will be gone after this year, maybe during the year if he shows enough that someone else wants him.

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If Barkley has a great year....he better be traded at deadline....if you do not want him back. When fully healthy, he is the most entertaining player on team..... Schoen will have a very hard time letting him walk in FA....if the Giants have a ton of cap space.

I don't know if this is true anymore since we have Yung Joka (again making the same assumptions as for Barkley), Wan'dale Robinson, and Thibodeaux.

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In comment 15714432 HomerJones45 said: Quote: when the real issue is that he is not as advertised. He was supposed to be a "generational running back" and "touched by the hand of God" and received the full benefit of Happy Valley hype and Credulous Crew in the front office. This was nonsense then and obvious nonsense now. He is not a powerful running back for his supposed size and he can't block to save his life. He is a good receiver, fast and was a shifty runner prior to his knee injury. I don't think there is any way he is going to be on this team after this year, but it's not fair to kill the guy whose best attributes were diminished by injury because we were idiots who swallowed the hype. IMHO, a better summary can not be written. The only thing I must add is that a RB who is terrified of contact needs a different job. Some athletes just aren't football players.

Barkley isn't a RB, he's a gadget player. That's been the biggest problem when looking at him.

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Not sure I've ever been more disappointed in a high Giants draft pick. He will be gone after this year, maybe during the year if he shows enough that someone else wants him.

Avoids contact, can't block.

It's worse than that. Its avoids contact, won't block.

There is no secret to blocking. Stick your shoulder into their chest. He won't do it .

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In comment 15714488 BigBlueNH said: Quote: Not sure I've ever been more disappointed in a high Giants draft pick. He will be gone after this year, maybe during the year if he shows enough that someone else wants him. Avoids contact, can't block. It's worse than that. Its avoids contact, won't block. There is no secret to blocking. Stick your shoulder into their chest. He won't do it .

That's a good point.

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In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.

The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.

The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!

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that Barkley is a Giant next year short of him having a ridiculous year and the Giants making a run in the playoffs.

Agreed.

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In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!

I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct

In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct

And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose

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In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose

Can you and your buddy Blows be any more predictive in your posts? At least had courage to come back and attack with these handles...

But, now, there is absolutely no scenario in which I can see Barkley being re-signed.

In comment 15714557 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15714555 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose Can you and your buddy Blows be any more predictive in your posts? At least had courage to come back and attack with these handles...

Notice, as usual, you don't say I'm wrong. Because I'm not

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But, now, there is absolutely no scenario in which I can see Barkley being re-signed.

If Barkley has a big year why wouldn't they keep him?

You’re wrong as usual….

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In comment 15714560 Matt M. said: Quote: But, now, there is absolutely no scenario in which I can see Barkley being re-signed. If Barkley has a big year why wouldn't they keep him?

First, because of his injury history. Second, because of the overall poor track record for RBs in their 2nd contracts. Third, because of the money a second contract for a #2 pick will cost. There just wouldn't be enough there to warrant it I believe that regardless of how good he is this season.

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You’re wrong as usual….

He just said he'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 that admit he was wrong

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In comment 15714572 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: You’re wrong as usual…. He just said he'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 that admit he was wrong

No, he said he would rather a bad team lose all their games than admit that bad/same poster like you were right.

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In comment 15714577 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15714572 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: You’re wrong as usual…. He just said he'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 that admit he was wrong No, he said he would rather a bad team lose all their games than admit that bad/same poster like you were right.

Wow you are pathetic. If "we" are right it means he is wrong, and he would rather lose all 17 games than be wrong about Jones and Barkley

The only interesting question left about Barkley is whether he’s the biggest bust in franchise history or just among the biggest busts?

Crap.

Nobody here wants Barkley, Jones or by extension, the Giants to do poorly.

They just think they suck.

It makes you mad so you play mental gymnastics until you can arrive at:

They are bad fans because they don't want the team to succeed.

It is recurring theme that needs to end.

You don't like their statements?

Use real data to refute them or STFU babies.

You can't refute their point because it is subjective?

Then why are your damn knickers in such a wad?

FFS lighten up.

The Giants are a poorly run, bottom of the NFL franchise until they prove otherwise.

Over a decade ago is now firmly the past.

We are what we are.

If Barkley or Jones have a decent year, it does not change the past, the critics were correct, that ship has sailed.

EVERYONE gets that neither one has been put in fair conditions, but players drafted in the top 6 should be more than system players.

Don't you feel like Thibs and Neal could change our stars if great?

Barkley and Jones are not great, that is the point. They will do much better this year, how could they not?

In comment 15714245 UConn4523 said:

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"He is going to want a large contract and has proven he cannot stay healthy" comments. The are contradictory and don't make much sense. How can he get a large contract without being healthy and playing well? What player doesn't want a large contract?

Exactly -

He can only ask for what other RBs are getting with similar stats. Just because it will be his 2nd contract doesn't mean the Giants are going to pay him beyond what he is worth.

They have to pay someone to run the ball. If his demands are rational - why not him? I think he is a great person who seems to be a good teammate and stays out of trouble off the field. They have to pay somebody.

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Crap. Nobody here wants Barkley, Jones or by extension, the Giants to do poorly. They just think they suck. It makes you mad so you play mental gymnastics until you can arrive at: They are bad fans because they don't want the team to succeed. It is recurring theme that needs to end. You don't like their statements? Use real data to refute them or STFU babies. You can't refute their point because it is subjective? Then why are your damn knickers in such a wad? FFS lighten up. The Giants are a poorly run, bottom of the NFL franchise until they prove otherwise. Over a decade ago is now firmly the past. We are what we are. If Barkley or Jones have a decent year, it does not change the past, the critics were correct, that ship has sailed. EVERYONE gets that neither one has been put in fair conditions, but players drafted in the top 6 should be more than system players. Don't you feel like Thibs and Neal could change our stars if great? Barkley and Jones are not great, that is the point. They will do much better this year, how could they not?

Did you read what Scooter wrote? He flat-out said he would rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit you guys are right, which also means he would be wrong. It's not a strawman, it's a direct quote a few posts before yours

In comment 15714587 Snablats said:

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In comment 15714581 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 15714577 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15714572 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: You’re wrong as usual…. He just said he'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 that admit he was wrong No, he said he would rather a bad team lose all their games than admit that bad/same poster like you were right. Wow you are pathetic. If "we" are right it means he is wrong, and he would rather lose all 17 games than be wrong about Jones and Barkley

You sure sound familiar…

In comment 15714601 Snablats said:

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In comment 15714597 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: Crap. Nobody here wants Barkley, Jones or by extension, the Giants to do poorly. They just think they suck. It makes you mad so you play mental gymnastics until you can arrive at: They are bad fans because they don't want the team to succeed. It is recurring theme that needs to end. You don't like their statements? Use real data to refute them or STFU babies. You can't refute their point because it is subjective? Then why are your damn knickers in such a wad? FFS lighten up. The Giants are a poorly run, bottom of the NFL franchise until they prove otherwise. Over a decade ago is now firmly the past. We are what we are. If Barkley or Jones have a decent year, it does not change the past, the critics were correct, that ship has sailed. EVERYONE gets that neither one has been put in fair conditions, but players drafted in the top 6 should be more than system players. Don't you feel like Thibs and Neal could change our stars if great? Barkley and Jones are not great, that is the point. They will do much better this year, how could they not? Did you read what Scooter wrote? He flat-out said he would rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit you guys are right, which also means he would be wrong. It's not a strawman, it's a direct quote a few posts before yours

No. as a general rule I ignore the stupid shit people say once the name calling in the thread starts.

There is a group of really thin skinned people that act like old married couples that hate each other but they have been fighting for so long they would die if they were apart.

Don't be one of them.

In comment 15714618 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 15714601 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15714597 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: Crap. Nobody here wants Barkley, Jones or by extension, the Giants to do poorly. They just think they suck. It makes you mad so you play mental gymnastics until you can arrive at: They are bad fans because they don't want the team to succeed. It is recurring theme that needs to end. You don't like their statements? Use real data to refute them or STFU babies. You can't refute their point because it is subjective? Then why are your damn knickers in such a wad? FFS lighten up. The Giants are a poorly run, bottom of the NFL franchise until they prove otherwise. Over a decade ago is now firmly the past. We are what we are. If Barkley or Jones have a decent year, it does not change the past, the critics were correct, that ship has sailed. EVERYONE gets that neither one has been put in fair conditions, but players drafted in the top 6 should be more than system players. Don't you feel like Thibs and Neal could change our stars if great? Barkley and Jones are not great, that is the point. They will do much better this year, how could they not? Did you read what Scooter wrote? He flat-out said he would rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit you guys are right, which also means he would be wrong. It's not a strawman, it's a direct quote a few posts before yours No. as a general rule I ignore the stupid shit people say once the name calling in the thread starts. There is a group of really thin skinned people that act like old married couples that hate each other but they have been fighting for so long they would die if they were apart. Don't be one of them.

Then dont create a long post about it when you have no idea what was said

In comment 15714555 Snablats said:

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In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose

Oh, I don't care about being wrong

I just don't want the arrogant jackwads like you, blows, etc to be right.

In comment 15714640 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15714555 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose Oh, I don't care about being wrong I just don't want the arrogant jackwads like you, blows, etc to be right.

That make no sense. The ones saying "lets see Jones and Barkley with better coaching and a better OL" are the arrogant ones?

In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct

This is no way to go through life.

In comment 15714640 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15714555 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose Oh, I don't care about being wrong I just don't want the arrogant jackwads like you, blows, etc to be right.

So let me get this straight because I hope that Jones and Barkley do well I am a Jack wad. Interesting. Well, we now know who it is that is telling Terps to BEND OVER!

We'd be loco. I don't care how well he plays this fall.

He pooped in his drawers. Both the Bills and Chargers had crappy O-lines, never-the-less their young QB's play basically carried those teams.

Teams FOCUSED on Allen & Herbert, their excellent play enabled (that word again) the running backs to make good plays.

I'm here to tell you, nobody comes back fully from an ACL injury as severe as Saquon suffered in one year; never-mind the horrific ankle he later suffered ...



I saw, some other silly poster today say that Barkley's ankle injury is somehow his fault; I call that irrational bad will.

Let's see what a healthy Saquon can do with a "middlin'" O-line that most likely feature the interior manned by other team's cast-offs.

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We'd be loco. I don't care how well he plays this fall.

Again, this makes no sense. If you dont have an elite QB, you need elite playmakers. If Barkley comes close to his rookie season, why wouldnt you try to sign him?

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In comment 15714688 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: We'd be loco. I don't care how well he plays this fall. Again, this makes no sense. If you dont have an elite QB, you need elite playmakers. If Barkley comes close to his rookie season, why wouldnt you try to sign him?

If he has a great year, you have to ask why.

If it's because of the OL and the coaching, then why pay him when you can start fresh with a younger, healthier, cheaper RB for a head coach that can scheme a run game and an OL that can lead the way.

In comment 15714713 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15714703 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15714688 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: We'd be loco. I don't care how well he plays this fall. Again, this makes no sense. If you dont have an elite QB, you need elite playmakers. If Barkley comes close to his rookie season, why wouldnt you try to sign him? If he has a great year, you have to ask why. If it's because of the OL and the coaching, then why pay him when you can start fresh with a younger, healthier, cheaper RB for a head coach that can scheme a run game and an OL that can lead the way.

We saw Barkley do things other RBs cant do his rookie year. Why would you think another cheaper RB can do what he does if he has that type of year again? If the offense clicks, why would you change it?

I've seen teams win super Bowls without a star at RB.

I've (and you) seen the Giants win Super Bowls and dominate the NFL with a league-best rushing attack without a star RB.

It's nice. It's certainly not necessary. And any money you spend there, you're not spending elsewhere. You can get highly talented RBs in round 2.

In comment 15714685 Maryland Blows said:

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In comment 15714640 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15714555 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose Oh, I don't care about being wrong I just don't want the arrogant jackwads like you, blows, etc to be right. So let me get this straight because I hope that Jones and Barkley do well I am a Jack wad. Interesting. Well, we now know who it is that is telling Terps to BEND OVER!

No, you're not a jackwad for wanting Jones and Barkley to do well

You're a jackwad for harassing those who don't share your opinion, as evidenced by the bend over comments.

Hey Scooter, getting tired of the same crap posts for the last 3 years from the same posters. Who gives a shit that they hate certain players. If we do not already know where they stand by now you are living in a bubble. This is the same tired BS posts for 3 yrs. I come on here to see if there is any new news instead you get the same crappy threads every day. We should be behind the coaches the front office and our players, instead the same computer GM's come on pontificating tellimg us all how much smarter they think they are instead of our teams decision makers. I am confident the people we have in place are making better decisions. If Saquon and Jones are here after next season I will believe it is because our decision makers see something in them to help the team win.If they are gone I will be okay with that too for the same reason. Can't we for one day go without this guy or that guy sucks, we should not have drafted him we were so stupid we did. You have not had enough of this garbage yet? Seriously?

Barkley was a great weapon his rookie year but his positional value should have seen him drafted later in the first. Honestly he should have gone to a better team that would have used him correctly. I don't think he's a rb in the traditional sense. Now he's a shell of what he was his rookie year and the best thing for him is to leave.

Jones is a never was and never will be. He had no business being a first round pick let alone top 10. He doesn't have the mental aspect of the game and doesn't elevate those around him. Good kid but he's shown no progress as a young QB.

Barkley could still have some semblance of a career with another team as long as they use him more as a receiver because he's not a rb in the traditional sense. Jones has back up written all over him

In comment 15714688 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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We'd be loco. I don't care how well he plays this fall.

Imagine commenting on this before knowing how
he plays AND what his contract COULD be.

Literally the definition of dumb.

Btw - no RB is ever again getting Zeke or
mccafery money. Its Derek Henry money (who is better than all them) going forward- which is slightly above the franchise number (on a deal the team can get out after year 2).

But lets keep babbling about nonsense.

Saquon preforms - he gets it.

He gets hurt again- we move on.

Watch the new offense, root for your team and dont look dumb in the meantime.

Hating Saquon Barkley by any Giants fan is an odd idiotic take.

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In comment 15714268 FStubbs said: Quote: ... and it makes sense from the Giants perspective, is if he actually takes market value for a gadget player with a ton of miles on him. Which would be a huge pay cut that I'm not sure he'd be willing to take from the Giants. Best case scenario is he plays well enough for Schoen to trick a team into trading a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline. with a ton of miles on him?

Barkley absolutely has a ton of miles on him. What would you call the ACL along with his other injuries?

Also, those 22 carries for 14 yards type games add up too.

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Hey Scooter, getting tired of the same crap posts for the last 3 years from the same posters. Who gives a shit that they hate certain players. If we do not already know where they stand by now you are living in a bubble. This is the same tired BS posts for 3 yrs. I come on here to see if there is any new news instead you get the same crappy threads every day. We should be behind the coaches the front office and our players, instead the same computer GM's come on pontificating tellimg us all how much smarter they think they are instead of our teams decision makers. I am confident the people we have in place are making better decisions. If Saquon and Jones are here after next season I will believe it is because our decision makers see something in them to help the team win.If they are gone I will be okay with that too for the same reason. Can't we for one day go without this guy or that guy sucks, we should not have drafted him we were so stupid we did. You have not had enough of this garbage yet? Seriously?

So, instead of ignoring the threads/posts/posters that think are crap, you open them and bully the posters you hate.

Is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to open DJ threads? Read GT, BW, or my posts?

If these things bother you so much why are you participating in and interacting with them?

Saquon has speed and power but has learned bad habits from college and being behind a shit OL where he gives up on his blockers( if applicable) and tries to run laterally on his dancey feet. That is not a position of power. He is quad dominant and that's a forward drive muscle. Your lateral muscles are smaller. If his foot is not planted and driving forward he is not going to get any yardage running into somebody bigger that IS on a drive forward position. The dance should happen midfield to juke

In comment 15714998 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15714838 Maryland Blows said: Quote: Hey Scooter, getting tired of the same crap posts for the last 3 years from the same posters. Who gives a shit that they hate certain players. If we do not already know where they stand by now you are living in a bubble. This is the same tired BS posts for 3 yrs. I come on here to see if there is any new news instead you get the same crappy threads every day. We should be behind the coaches the front office and our players, instead the same computer GM's come on pontificating tellimg us all how much smarter they think they are instead of our teams decision makers. I am confident the people we have in place are making better decisions. If Saquon and Jones are here after next season I will believe it is because our decision makers see something in them to help the team win.If they are gone I will be okay with that too for the same reason. Can't we for one day go without this guy or that guy sucks, we should not have drafted him we were so stupid we did. You have not had enough of this garbage yet? Seriously? So, instead of ignoring the threads/posts/posters that think are crap, you open them and bully the posters you hate. Is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to open DJ threads? Read GT, BW, or my posts? If these things bother you so much why are you participating in and interacting with them?

I'm guessing by the handle, he/she is here for a purpose.

In comment 15714552 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct

Wow! I wonder if other posters feel this way, it sometimes seems that way.

Hard for Saquon, but I have serious doubts he can return to the 2018 version. Both Jones and Saquon need to show they belong on this team sooner than later.

When did I ever state I'm rooting AGAINST Saquon? I never have. I don't root against Giants. That said, again, I'd think we'd be insane to give him a second contract. RB is one of the most replaceable positions in the NFL &-given his injury history/shelf life of RBs-he's going to want a pretty penny. We'd be insane to give it to him even if he looks like 2018 Saquon with the state of the team, his injury history, & the idiocy of investing so much coin into that position.

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That said, again, I'd think we'd be insane to give him a second contract. RB is one of the most replaceable positions in the NFL &-given his injury history/shelf life of RBs-he's going to want a pretty penny. We'd be insane to give it to him even if he looks like 2018 Saquon with the state of the team, his injury history, & the idiocy of investing so much coin into that position.

This. I hope he has a crazy good year, but I still wouldn't give him a 3 year contract for big money. Particularly since he's not a complete RB- he can't block and he can't pick up the tough yards between the tackles.

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Wow! I wonder if other posters feel this way, it sometimes seems that way.

I do! Why wouldn’t I? So you mean to tell me I watched some total pussies who were selected by Gettleman play with no balls for years now ; stink up the place ; but I’m supposed to just forget all that and hope prayer power manages to turn things around?

First off I’m no longer a 10 year old boy pledging allegiance to the big blue . I want to see good athletes perform out of the ordinary athletic feats . Not something I could do myself. I.e. watch jones play with no balls and throw short passes underneath.

Second, I liken Barkley and his whiffing blocking assignments the same way I would someone at work sleeping on the job. I might think it’s funny but at the same time be like “ what the hell is wrong with this loser.”

Thirdly , yes the fact I have to battle nozzles here who seem to think the the 3-4 years didn’t matter and they’re just magically going to transform into something else is all the more obnoxious. And yes , if shoen turns this around it would be because of him in lieu of jones and Barkley who have shown to be jags at best if not total busts.

Is quite odd.

Barkley and Jones will never live up to their draft position - but here’s hoping they have good years so we can enjoy some Giants football.

but now that Debaser is here you can go ahead and just archive / delete.

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but now that Debaser is here you can go ahead and just archive / delete.

😂

57 years later, many Giants fans fondly lament what could have been if Fredrickson hadn't got hurt. It's like the pain of a lost love.

Saquon Barkley is just the opposite. He had a tremendous rookie season, then he got hurt; no lament just hate and disgust. I don't get it.

In comment 15716181 GNewGiants said:

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Is quite odd. Barkley and Jones will never live up to their draft position - but here’s hoping they have good years so we can enjoy some Giants football.

Yes they’ll never live up to their draft position I agree but, that is nothing to gloss over since they are being paid accordingly and similarly are the de facto leaders of the team; taking away not only money but leadership roles away from other players who can play better and help give this team a different identity and look on offense.

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In comment 15716181 GNewGiants said: Quote: Is quite odd. Barkley and Jones will never live up to their draft position - but here’s hoping they have good years so we can enjoy some Giants football. Yes they’ll never live up to their draft position I agree but, that is nothing to gloss over since they are being paid accordingly and similarly are the de facto leaders of the team; taking away not only money but leadership roles away from other players who can play better and help give this team a different identity and look on offense.

Leadership roles are usually given to the players by their own teammates, so who cares? And what players should replace them?

RB is not an important position, and at best he's probably a part time RB. Really he's a 3rd down/change of pace type guy. He could be good in that role if he regains explosiveness. But its just not that important. If it's not him, we can probably get a guy in the 3rd round.

Jones is massively important. Barring completely unprecedented improvement he will never be a good QB. And it's almost impossible to contend consistently with a bad QB like Jones. Extending Jones would doom the franchise for many years.

That is why people are far more concerned about Jones than Barkley