A lot of posters on one side of the fence or the other when it comes to Jones. But seems there is a lack all around of people discussing just how bad Saquon has been.
Is the there any scenario where he is a Giant in 2023? He is going to want a large contract and has proven he cannot stay healthy. Plus, when he has been on the field he has been underwhelming at best since his rookie year.
There is definitely a scenario where he stays with the Giants. But it's not a likely scenario.
Either way, he's easy to root for. Great guy, great teammate and fun to watch. I look forward to him doing well this year for the Giants and then we'll see what happens after that. The best scenario for all of us is him duplicating his rookie year.
not sure if this is /sarc but it works for saquon if he plays well in 22.
Yeah, lets see how long Allen lasts in Buffalo having to carry the RB load on top of the QB load because the Bills cheaped out at RB
Ive said it for months - if you dont have an elite QB, you need a bigtime playmaking RB, a good OL and good coaches
So lets see how Barkley does with a better OL and better coaching
He is not a powerful running back for his supposed size and he can't block to save his life. He is a good receiver, fast and was a shifty runner prior to his knee injury.
I don't think there is any way he is going to be on this team after this year, but it's not fair to kill the guy whose best attributes were diminished by injury because we were idiots who swallowed the hype.
Saquon gets blind-sided, injures ankle. - ( New Window )
Best case scenario is he plays well enough for Schoen to trick a team into trading a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline.
with a ton of miles on him?
It sorta summed up his NFL career, minus the stellar rookie season. Some players have a penchant for not being able to avoid injuries or bad luck. I hope he's not one of them, but the past three seasons aren't helpful to the view.
He is not a powerful running back for his supposed size and he can't block to save his life. He is a good receiver, fast and was a shifty runner prior to his knee injury.
I don't think there is any way he is going to be on this team after this year, but it's not fair to kill the guy whose best attributes were diminished by injury because we were idiots who swallowed the hype.
IMHO, a better summary can not be written.
The only thing I must add is that a RB who is terrified of contact needs a different job. Some athletes just aren't football players.
Barkley is very motivated and Daboll/Kafka are not stupid. If the kid can catch a break and stay healthy, a man as talented as Barkley with a chip on his shoulder could do damage in 2022 running behind Neal. 80-90 receptions as well.
When fully healthy, he is the most entertaining player on team.....
Schoen will have a very hard time letting him walk in FA....if the Giants have a ton of cap space.
I don't know if this is true anymore since we have Yung Joka (again making the same assumptions as for Barkley), Wan'dale Robinson, and Thibodeaux.
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when the real issue is that he is not as advertised. He was supposed to be a "generational running back" and "touched by the hand of God" and received the full benefit of Happy Valley hype and Credulous Crew in the front office. This was nonsense then and obvious nonsense now.
He is not a powerful running back for his supposed size and he can't block to save his life. He is a good receiver, fast and was a shifty runner prior to his knee injury.
I don't think there is any way he is going to be on this team after this year, but it's not fair to kill the guy whose best attributes were diminished by injury because we were idiots who swallowed the hype.
IMHO, a better summary can not be written.
The only thing I must add is that a RB who is terrified of contact needs a different job. Some athletes just aren't football players.
Barkley isn't a RB, he's a gadget player. That's been the biggest problem when looking at him.
Avoids contact, can't block.
It's worse than that. Its avoids contact, won't block.
There is no secret to blocking. Stick your shoulder into their chest. He won't do it .
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Not sure I've ever been more disappointed in a high Giants draft pick. He will be gone after this year, maybe during the year if he shows enough that someone else wants him.
Avoids contact, can't block.
It's worse than that. Its avoids contact, won't block.
There is no secret to blocking. Stick your shoulder into their chest. He won't do it .
That's a good point.
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
Agreed.
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose
Can you and your buddy Blows be any more predictive in your posts? At least had courage to come back and attack with these handles...
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose
Can you and your buddy Blows be any more predictive in your posts? At least had courage to come back and attack with these handles...
Notice, as usual, you don't say I'm wrong. Because I'm not
If Barkley has a big year why wouldn't they keep him?
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But, now, there is absolutely no scenario in which I can see Barkley being re-signed.
If Barkley has a big year why wouldn't they keep him?
He just said he'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 that admit he was wrong
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You’re wrong as usual….
He just said he'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 that admit he was wrong
No, he said he would rather a bad team lose all their games than admit that bad/same poster like you were right.
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You’re wrong as usual….
He just said he'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 that admit he was wrong
No, he said he would rather a bad team lose all their games than admit that bad/same poster like you were right.
Wow you are pathetic. If "we" are right it means he is wrong, and he would rather lose all 17 games than be wrong about Jones and Barkley
Nobody here wants Barkley, Jones or by extension, the Giants to do poorly.
They just think they suck.
It makes you mad so you play mental gymnastics until you can arrive at:
They are bad fans because they don't want the team to succeed.
It is recurring theme that needs to end.
You don't like their statements?
Use real data to refute them or STFU babies.
You can't refute their point because it is subjective?
Then why are your damn knickers in such a wad?
FFS lighten up.
The Giants are a poorly run, bottom of the NFL franchise until they prove otherwise.
Over a decade ago is now firmly the past.
We are what we are.
If Barkley or Jones have a decent year, it does not change the past, the critics were correct, that ship has sailed.
EVERYONE gets that neither one has been put in fair conditions, but players drafted in the top 6 should be more than system players.
Don't you feel like Thibs and Neal could change our stars if great?
Barkley and Jones are not great, that is the point. They will do much better this year, how could they not?
Exactly -
He can only ask for what other RBs are getting with similar stats. Just because it will be his 2nd contract doesn't mean the Giants are going to pay him beyond what he is worth.
They have to pay someone to run the ball. If his demands are rational - why not him? I think he is a great person who seems to be a good teammate and stays out of trouble off the field. They have to pay somebody.
Nobody here wants Barkley, Jones or by extension, the Giants to do poorly.
They just think they suck.
It makes you mad so you play mental gymnastics until you can arrive at:
They are bad fans because they don't want the team to succeed.
It is recurring theme that needs to end.
You don't like their statements?
Use real data to refute them or STFU babies.
You can't refute their point because it is subjective?
Then why are your damn knickers in such a wad?
FFS lighten up.
The Giants are a poorly run, bottom of the NFL franchise until they prove otherwise.
Over a decade ago is now firmly the past.
We are what we are.
If Barkley or Jones have a decent year, it does not change the past, the critics were correct, that ship has sailed.
EVERYONE gets that neither one has been put in fair conditions, but players drafted in the top 6 should be more than system players.
Don't you feel like Thibs and Neal could change our stars if great?
Barkley and Jones are not great, that is the point. They will do much better this year, how could they not?
Did you read what Scooter wrote? He flat-out said he would rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit you guys are right, which also means he would be wrong. It's not a strawman, it's a direct quote a few posts before yours
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You’re wrong as usual….
He just said he'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 that admit he was wrong
No, he said he would rather a bad team lose all their games than admit that bad/same poster like you were right.
Wow you are pathetic. If "we" are right it means he is wrong, and he would rather lose all 17 games than be wrong about Jones and Barkley
You sure sound familiar…
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Crap.
Nobody here wants Barkley, Jones or by extension, the Giants to do poorly.
They just think they suck.
It makes you mad so you play mental gymnastics until you can arrive at:
They are bad fans because they don't want the team to succeed.
It is recurring theme that needs to end.
You don't like their statements?
Use real data to refute them or STFU babies.
You can't refute their point because it is subjective?
Then why are your damn knickers in such a wad?
FFS lighten up.
The Giants are a poorly run, bottom of the NFL franchise until they prove otherwise.
Over a decade ago is now firmly the past.
We are what we are.
If Barkley or Jones have a decent year, it does not change the past, the critics were correct, that ship has sailed.
EVERYONE gets that neither one has been put in fair conditions, but players drafted in the top 6 should be more than system players.
Don't you feel like Thibs and Neal could change our stars if great?
Barkley and Jones are not great, that is the point. They will do much better this year, how could they not?
Did you read what Scooter wrote? He flat-out said he would rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit you guys are right, which also means he would be wrong. It's not a strawman, it's a direct quote a few posts before yours
There is a group of really thin skinned people that act like old married couples that hate each other but they have been fighting for so long they would die if they were apart.
Don't be one of them.
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Crap.
Nobody here wants Barkley, Jones or by extension, the Giants to do poorly.
They just think they suck.
It makes you mad so you play mental gymnastics until you can arrive at:
They are bad fans because they don't want the team to succeed.
It is recurring theme that needs to end.
You don't like their statements?
Use real data to refute them or STFU babies.
You can't refute their point because it is subjective?
Then why are your damn knickers in such a wad?
FFS lighten up.
The Giants are a poorly run, bottom of the NFL franchise until they prove otherwise.
Over a decade ago is now firmly the past.
We are what we are.
If Barkley or Jones have a decent year, it does not change the past, the critics were correct, that ship has sailed.
EVERYONE gets that neither one has been put in fair conditions, but players drafted in the top 6 should be more than system players.
Don't you feel like Thibs and Neal could change our stars if great?
Barkley and Jones are not great, that is the point. They will do much better this year, how could they not?
Did you read what Scooter wrote? He flat-out said he would rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit you guys are right, which also means he would be wrong. It's not a strawman, it's a direct quote a few posts before yours
No. as a general rule I ignore the stupid shit people say once the name calling in the thread starts.
There is a group of really thin skinned people that act like old married couples that hate each other but they have been fighting for so long they would die if they were apart.
Don't be one of them.
Then dont create a long post about it when you have no idea what was said
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose
Oh, I don't care about being wrong
I just don't want the arrogant jackwads like you, blows, etc to be right.
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose
Oh, I don't care about being wrong
I just don't want the arrogant jackwads like you, blows, etc to be right.
That make no sense. The ones saying "lets see Jones and Barkley with better coaching and a better OL" are the arrogant ones?
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I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
This is no way to go through life.
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose
Oh, I don't care about being wrong
I just don't want the arrogant jackwads like you, blows, etc to be right.
So let me get this straight because I hope that Jones and Barkley do well I am a Jack wad. Interesting. Well, we now know who it is that is telling Terps to BEND OVER!
He pooped in his drawers. Both the Bills and Chargers had crappy O-lines, never-the-less their young QB's play basically carried those teams.
Teams FOCUSED on Allen & Herbert, their excellent play enabled (that word again) the running backs to make good plays.
I'm here to tell you, nobody comes back fully from an ACL injury as severe as Saquon suffered in one year; never-mind the horrific ankle he later suffered ...
I saw, some other silly poster today say that Barkley's ankle injury is somehow his fault; I call that irrational bad will.
Let's see what a healthy Saquon can do with a "middlin'" O-line that most likely feature the interior manned by other team's cast-offs.
Again, this makes no sense. If you dont have an elite QB, you need elite playmakers. If Barkley comes close to his rookie season, why wouldnt you try to sign him?
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We'd be loco. I don't care how well he plays this fall.
Again, this makes no sense. If you dont have an elite QB, you need elite playmakers. If Barkley comes close to his rookie season, why wouldnt you try to sign him?
If he has a great year, you have to ask why.
If it's because of the OL and the coaching, then why pay him when you can start fresh with a younger, healthier, cheaper RB for a head coach that can scheme a run game and an OL that can lead the way.
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We'd be loco. I don't care how well he plays this fall.
Again, this makes no sense. If you dont have an elite QB, you need elite playmakers. If Barkley comes close to his rookie season, why wouldnt you try to sign him?
If he has a great year, you have to ask why.
If it's because of the OL and the coaching, then why pay him when you can start fresh with a younger, healthier, cheaper RB for a head coach that can scheme a run game and an OL that can lead the way.
We saw Barkley do things other RBs cant do his rookie year. Why would you think another cheaper RB can do what he does if he has that type of year again? If the offense clicks, why would you change it?
I've (and you) seen the Giants win Super Bowls and dominate the NFL with a league-best rushing attack without a star RB.
It's nice. It's certainly not necessary. And any money you spend there, you're not spending elsewhere. You can get highly talented RBs in round 2.
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It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years.
So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass?
I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023.
The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck.
The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!!
I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct
And there it is. Finally one of the "Jones sucks Barkley sucks" crowd admits their reality. He just said he'd rather the Giants go 0-17 than admit he was wrong. They know if the Giants do well they look stupid so they're rooting for the Giants to lose
Oh, I don't care about being wrong
I just don't want the arrogant jackwads like you, blows, etc to be right.
So let me get this straight because I hope that Jones and Barkley do well I am a Jack wad. Interesting. Well, we now know who it is that is telling Terps to BEND OVER!
No, you're not a jackwad for wanting Jones and Barkley to do well
You're a jackwad for harassing those who don't share your opinion, as evidenced by the bend over comments.