Jones has enabled people to ignore how bad Saquon is

Barkley was a great weapon his rookie year but his positional value should have seen him drafted later in the first. Honestly he should have gone to a better team that would have used him correctly. I don't think he's a rb in the traditional sense. Now he's a shell of what he was his rookie year and the best thing for him is to leave.

Jones is a never was and never will be. He had no business being a first round pick let alone top 10. He doesn't have the mental aspect of the game and doesn't elevate those around him. Good kid but he's shown no progress as a young QB.

Barkley could still have some semblance of a career with another team as long as they use him more as a receiver because he's not a rb in the traditional sense. Jones has back up written all over him

In comment 15714688 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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We'd be loco. I don't care how well he plays this fall.

Imagine commenting on this before knowing how
he plays AND what his contract COULD be.

Literally the definition of dumb.

Btw - no RB is ever again getting Zeke or
mccafery money. Its Derek Henry money (who is better than all them) going forward- which is slightly above the franchise number (on a deal the team can get out after year 2).

But lets keep babbling about nonsense.

Saquon preforms - he gets it.

He gets hurt again- we move on.

Watch the new offense, root for your team and dont look dumb in the meantime.

Hating Saquon Barkley by any Giants fan is an odd idiotic take.

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In comment 15714268 FStubbs said: Quote: ... and it makes sense from the Giants perspective, is if he actually takes market value for a gadget player with a ton of miles on him. Which would be a huge pay cut that I'm not sure he'd be willing to take from the Giants. Best case scenario is he plays well enough for Schoen to trick a team into trading a 3rd rounder for him at the deadline. with a ton of miles on him?

Barkley absolutely has a ton of miles on him. What would you call the ACL along with his other injuries?

Also, those 22 carries for 14 yards type games add up too.

In comment 15714838 Maryland Blows said:

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Hey Scooter, getting tired of the same crap posts for the last 3 years from the same posters. Who gives a shit that they hate certain players. If we do not already know where they stand by now you are living in a bubble. This is the same tired BS posts for 3 yrs. I come on here to see if there is any new news instead you get the same crappy threads every day. We should be behind the coaches the front office and our players, instead the same computer GM's come on pontificating tellimg us all how much smarter they think they are instead of our teams decision makers. I am confident the people we have in place are making better decisions. If Saquon and Jones are here after next season I will believe it is because our decision makers see something in them to help the team win.If they are gone I will be okay with that too for the same reason. Can't we for one day go without this guy or that guy sucks, we should not have drafted him we were so stupid we did. You have not had enough of this garbage yet? Seriously?

So, instead of ignoring the threads/posts/posters that think are crap, you open them and bully the posters you hate.

Is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to open DJ threads? Read GT, BW, or my posts?

If these things bother you so much why are you participating in and interacting with them?

Saquon has speed and power but has learned bad habits from college and being behind a shit OL where he gives up on his blockers( if applicable) and tries to run laterally on his dancey feet. That is not a position of power. He is quad dominant and that's a forward drive muscle. Your lateral muscles are smaller. If his foot is not planted and driving forward he is not going to get any yardage running into somebody bigger that IS on a drive forward position. The dance should happen midfield to juke

In comment 15714998 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15714838 Maryland Blows said: Quote: Hey Scooter, getting tired of the same crap posts for the last 3 years from the same posters. Who gives a shit that they hate certain players. If we do not already know where they stand by now you are living in a bubble. This is the same tired BS posts for 3 yrs. I come on here to see if there is any new news instead you get the same crappy threads every day. We should be behind the coaches the front office and our players, instead the same computer GM's come on pontificating tellimg us all how much smarter they think they are instead of our teams decision makers. I am confident the people we have in place are making better decisions. If Saquon and Jones are here after next season I will believe it is because our decision makers see something in them to help the team win.If they are gone I will be okay with that too for the same reason. Can't we for one day go without this guy or that guy sucks, we should not have drafted him we were so stupid we did. You have not had enough of this garbage yet? Seriously? So, instead of ignoring the threads/posts/posters that think are crap, you open them and bully the posters you hate. Is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to open DJ threads? Read GT, BW, or my posts? If these things bother you so much why are you participating in and interacting with them?

I'm guessing by the handle, he/she is here for a purpose.

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In comment 15714544 Maryland Blows said: Quote: In comment 15714399 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15714369 Maryland Blows said: Quote: It is really my hope that the same 10 to 20 negative posters who post and create every OL sucks, Jones and Saquon sucks thread take it up the ass this year. I could think nothing that would be sweeter than to see Jones and Saquon have incredible years. So because they've been having terrible years does that mean you've been the one actually taking it up the ass? I'm looking forward to Jones and Barkley being completely forgettable ex-Giants in 2023. The whole team has been terrible you dolt. If the do improve because their teammates around them improve you will will say see anyone can play in the system they still suck. The team has sucked not just them. As for taking it in the ass the 3 words you have heard more than any one on this site, BEND OVER TERPS !!! I'd rather see the Giants go 0-17 than you and the other nozzles on this board like you be correct

Wow! I wonder if other posters feel this way, it sometimes seems that way.

Hard for Saquon, but I have serious doubts he can return to the 2018 version. Both Jones and Saquon need to show they belong on this team sooner than later.

When did I ever state I'm rooting AGAINST Saquon? I never have. I don't root against Giants. That said, again, I'd think we'd be insane to give him a second contract. RB is one of the most replaceable positions in the NFL &-given his injury history/shelf life of RBs-he's going to want a pretty penny. We'd be insane to give it to him even if he looks like 2018 Saquon with the state of the team, his injury history, & the idiocy of investing so much coin into that position.

In comment 15715305 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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That said, again, I'd think we'd be insane to give him a second contract. RB is one of the most replaceable positions in the NFL &-given his injury history/shelf life of RBs-he's going to want a pretty penny. We'd be insane to give it to him even if he looks like 2018 Saquon with the state of the team, his injury history, & the idiocy of investing so much coin into that position.

This. I hope he has a crazy good year, but I still wouldn't give him a 3 year contract for big money. Particularly since he's not a complete RB- he can't block and he can't pick up the tough yards between the tackles.

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Wow! I wonder if other posters feel this way, it sometimes seems that way.

I do! Why wouldn’t I? So you mean to tell me I watched some total pussies who were selected by Gettleman play with no balls for years now ; stink up the place ; but I’m supposed to just forget all that and hope prayer power manages to turn things around?

First off I’m no longer a 10 year old boy pledging allegiance to the big blue . I want to see good athletes perform out of the ordinary athletic feats . Not something I could do myself. I.e. watch jones play with no balls and throw short passes underneath.

Second, I liken Barkley and his whiffing blocking assignments the same way I would someone at work sleeping on the job. I might think it’s funny but at the same time be like “ what the hell is wrong with this loser.”

Thirdly , yes the fact I have to battle nozzles here who seem to think the the 3-4 years didn’t matter and they’re just magically going to transform into something else is all the more obnoxious. And yes , if shoen turns this around it would be because of him in lieu of jones and Barkley who have shown to be jags at best if not total busts.

Is quite odd.

Barkley and Jones will never live up to their draft position - but here’s hoping they have good years so we can enjoy some Giants football.

but now that Debaser is here you can go ahead and just archive / delete.

In comment 15716191 UConn4523 said:

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but now that Debaser is here you can go ahead and just archive / delete.

😂

57 years later, many Giants fans fondly lament what could have been if Fredrickson hadn't got hurt. It's like the pain of a lost love.

Saquon Barkley is just the opposite. He had a tremendous rookie season, then he got hurt; no lament just hate and disgust. I don't get it.

In comment 15716181 GNewGiants said:

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Is quite odd. Barkley and Jones will never live up to their draft position - but here’s hoping they have good years so we can enjoy some Giants football.

Yes they’ll never live up to their draft position I agree but, that is nothing to gloss over since they are being paid accordingly and similarly are the de facto leaders of the team; taking away not only money but leadership roles away from other players who can play better and help give this team a different identity and look on offense.

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In comment 15716181 GNewGiants said: Quote: Is quite odd. Barkley and Jones will never live up to their draft position - but here’s hoping they have good years so we can enjoy some Giants football. Yes they’ll never live up to their draft position I agree but, that is nothing to gloss over since they are being paid accordingly and similarly are the de facto leaders of the team; taking away not only money but leadership roles away from other players who can play better and help give this team a different identity and look on offense.

Leadership roles are usually given to the players by their own teammates, so who cares? And what players should replace them?

RB is not an important position, and at best he's probably a part time RB. Really he's a 3rd down/change of pace type guy. He could be good in that role if he regains explosiveness. But its just not that important. If it's not him, we can probably get a guy in the 3rd round.

Jones is massively important. Barring completely unprecedented improvement he will never be a good QB. And it's almost impossible to contend consistently with a bad QB like Jones. Extending Jones would doom the franchise for many years.

That is why people are far more concerned about Jones than Barkley