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DJ. Like him..or Dislike him..  
Alamo : 5/21/2022 10:21 am : link
I liked the guy from the beginning..If they put a #10 Jersey and a Helmet on him,I Would have been fooled..
To me,he looked,acted,threw the ball much like Eli..
For better or worse,the INT's were very much like Eli..I don't think Eli had a fumbling problem,like Jones,but the Int's I think they are the same..I want the guy to do good..For 2 reasons. One,I like the guy,two,If we/he does well,next year's draft gets us another Elite pass rusher,or Safety in the 1st round.
That would help the Defence again,as this year's draft has done..So I'm pulling for Jones..If he does not do the job,I'll miss him,and send him a thanks for trying to help my team kid..
 
christian : 5/21/2022 10:29 am : link
The definition of clutch seems pretty liberal.

I’m not typically sitting at the edge of my seat when there’s 14 minutes left in the third quarter.
Jones on this site is like batting around the same volleyball  
PetesHereNow : 5/21/2022 10:57 am : link
We thought last year would provide some clarity but first, his WRs got hurt, then his OL got hurt. Then he got hurt.

This year, we’ve seemingly improved the OL. How much are they improved? We don’t know yet.

The rubber is going to meet the road if the kid has a decent season. Maybe 30TDs/13 picks, and we win like somewhere between 7-10 games. Are we giving that 35 million?

If he totally sucks or gets injured again, it’s an easier call. Of course there is that 1% possibility that the lightbulb comes on and he’s unquestionably a top 5-10 guy. But if we land in the middle, who knows?
RE: Interesting graph  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2022 11:02 am : link
In comment 15714907 Mike from Ohio said:
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When the game is on the line, Jones is just as good as accurate and efficient as Jalen Hurts or Teddy Bridgewater.

There is a good chance this is the strongest, positive argument for Jones that there is. When the game is on the line, he is just as deadly as any other below average starter.


lmao
RE: FStubbs.  
FStubbs : 5/21/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15714921 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Fair enough. To me, I just hate the 'Well, he has nothing to work with...horrible OL, no skill players, etc.' No QB really has a perfect situation, but the good & great ones elevate those around them & get the job done. And it isn't like Jones is a 4th rounder; guy was drafted 6th overall. Now one could argue he was over drafted, but that's not really relevant anymore.


I think you'll find posts where I defend Jones and where I bury him - I can't really make up my mind on the guy, because he's been surrounded by so much garbage that he's difficult to evaluate.

And that's the issue. Not being able to evaluate him is the same as saying he's not good enough, because of the money at stake.

The only reason the Giants are giving him another shot this season IMO is because there really weren't any other viable options at the position this offseason that were improvements on Jones. (The draft was weak at QB, and let's face it - anyone think a more expensive in '22 Garoppolo or Mayfield are seriously better than Jones?) So he gets another chance to try to show he can be the guy going forward.

Finally - there wouldn't be as much pressure on him if it weren't for the massive amounts of money these QBs demand on their 2nd contracts. If Jones were amenable to a 2 year, $14 million extension right here and now, to try to establish his value in New York, the Giants would sign him immediately, and there wouldn't be as much concern about the position, because we'd have room under the cap to strengthen other areas of the roster.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't hate Jones. I hope he goes out there and throws for 4800 yards and 36 TDs and leads this team to a playoff berth. I just don't know if he will, and I suspect Jones will have his best year as a pro, but not one nearly good enough for the huge extension.
RE: RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/21/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15714830 Johnny5 said:
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is a mystery to me.


Why people want to die on the "He sucks, I know because I'm some sort of QB expert" hill baffles me.

To be fair the only clear things I see people post in absolutes are that "he sucks and will never be more than mediocre". I never see the people in his corner (you know, as Giants fans) post anything more than they think he has been dealt a shit hand and they think maybe there is something there that could still be cultivated. You know with like real consistent coaching. And some actual blocking.

Like me. I guess we just differ there.


DJ haters want to die on Glennon and Trubisky hill.
RE: RE: RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
eli4life : 5/21/2022 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15714883 middleground said:
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is a mystery to me.



He's just the QB of their favorite team. Just a bunch of cheerleaders.



What does that make you?


A douche
RE: RE: RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
Mike from Ohio : 5/21/2022 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15714993 Spiciest Memelord said:
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is a mystery to me.


Why people want to die on the "He sucks, I know because I'm some sort of QB expert" hill baffles me.

To be fair the only clear things I see people post in absolutes are that "he sucks and will never be more than mediocre". I never see the people in his corner (you know, as Giants fans) post anything more than they think he has been dealt a shit hand and they think maybe there is something there that could still be cultivated. You know with like real consistent coaching. And some actual blocking.

Like me. I guess we just differ there.



DJ haters want to die on Glennon and Trubisky hill.


And DJ obsessed fan boys prefer to see the Giants lose than consider the possibility that the GM who drafted him, and was fired for being terrible at drafting, maybe made a mistake with Jones.
RE: I don’t think Jones is even in the grid Skinner  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/21/2022 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15714889 cosmicj said:
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Pastes in his tweet. What is the sample size for DJ’s stats?


Good catch, he's not. Skinner is a fraud, IMO.
RE: RE: RE: RE: because people with SF in their handle are annoying.  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15714910 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Who are you?


Who the F are you?

You're a no-nothing piece of shit who brings nothing to the table but the same old same old.


You could leave BBI and literally no one would notice.


I'd notice. Please don't leave.
Facts...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/21/2022 4:43 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: because people with SF in their handle are annoying.  
PakistanPete : 5/21/2022 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15714910 Gatorade Dunk said:
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You could leave BBI and literally no one would notice.


Who are you?! No. I jest. I'm heartbroken.
PakistanPete...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 5:08 pm : link
Dude, what is your problem? Did I offend you or something? You showed a lot of anger in that post towards me. Bizarre.
RE: PakistanPete...  
PakistanPete : 5/21/2022 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15715248 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Dude, what is your problem? Did I offend you or something? You showed a lot of anger in that post towards me. Bizarre.


:) Sorry. I'm actually really normal in real life!
PakistanPete...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 5:27 pm : link
I'm sure you are. As am I. If I offended or was a dick to you in the past, I apologize. I try to steer clear of BBI pissing matches; at the end of the day, 99.9% of us could walk down the street & pass a fellow BBIer & have no clue.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
joeinpa : 5/21/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15715043 Mike from Ohio said:
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is a mystery to me.


Why people want to die on the "He sucks, I know because I'm some sort of QB expert" hill baffles me.

To be fair the only clear things I see people post in absolutes are that "he sucks and will never be more than mediocre". I never see the people in his corner (you know, as Giants fans) post anything more than they think he has been dealt a shit hand and they think maybe there is something there that could still be cultivated. You know with like real consistent coaching. And some actual blocking.

Like me. I guess we just differ there.



DJ haters want to die on Glennon and Trubisky hill.



And DJ obsessed fan boys prefer to see the Giants lose than consider the possibility that the GM who drafted him, and was fired for being terrible at drafting, maybe made a mistake with Jones.


I m not quite sure what a DJ fan boy is, but if it means being hopeful he turns out to be the guy, guess I qualify. Should note, the minute the Giants move on from him, so do I. Does that disqualify me, … not certain I understand the parameters.
joeinpa.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 8:00 pm : link
I don't get this narrative that 'Certain BBIers want DJ to fail'. I just think those of us in the 'Wanna move on from Jones' camp realize he isn't the long term answer. It is nothing personal; he seems like a good kid &-from all accounts-is a hard worker.

& if he lights it up this year, leads us to the playoffs, & looks like a completely different QB, I'll gladly eat all my talk of wanting to move on from him.

It is crazy to think, but put Phil Simms in this current era & after his 3rd year...he isn't getting a second contract. Different times.
RE: RE: I don’t think Jones is even in the grid Skinner  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15715046 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Pastes in his tweet. What is the sample size for DJ’s stats?



Good catch, he's not. Skinner is a fraud, IMO.


If you look at the tweet thread, Warren Sharp, who made the chart, stated that Daniel Jones and Hurts are in the same spot. Which is why Jones doesn't appear.
RE: PakistanPete...  
Route 9 : 5/21/2022 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15715248 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Dude, what is your problem? Did I offend you or something? You showed a lot of anger in that post towards me. Bizarre.


Don't even worry about it. I remember the days of thinking it was surprising that grown adults became resentful that someone gave an opinion about a below average QB. It's just really fun to watch people take it so personally.

The name-calling is always the best. Very odd complex these people have.
RE: RE: PakistanPete...  
joeinpa : 5/22/2022 7:47 am : link
In comment 15715447 Route 9 said:
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Dude, what is your problem? Did I offend you or something? You showed a lot of anger in that post towards me. Bizarre.



Don't even worry about it. I remember the days of thinking it was surprising that grown adults became resentful that someone gave an opinion about a below average QB. It's just really fun to watch people take it so personally.

The name-calling is always the best. Very odd complex these people have.


It isn’t just the post on Jones where name calling intrudes, it s one of the tendencies that all but eliminates interesting discussion on many a topic

I can never figure if alcohol or immaturity is the cause, probably both
RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
ColHowPepper : 5/22/2022 9:00 am : link
In comment 15714831 eric2425ny said:
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...Agree with your post Johnny. What’s clear to me after a million Jones debates on here the last few years is that he is a very polarizing player. There are those that think he is awful, and those that think his supporting cast has let him down and he still has a chance.

I find myself wavering between these two views....


As to the language I bolded from eric's comment (and I omitted his reasons for his wavering so as not to incite yet more of the same dreary ossified thinking), I think there is zero debate. And I think what underpins that polarization, even more than his thus far marginal play, is who selected him and when. We all agree that Gettleman was, still is, a fiasco for the franchise. I think even DJ supporters would agree that at 6 he was selected well too early. That is wholly on Gettleman, along with so many other fails, when Giants could have taken the other Josh Allen. But that pick 6 hangs around Jones' neck like an accursed birthmark, a Typhoid Mary epitaph that won't ever be shaken, even if he performs well.
RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
Johnny5 : 5/22/2022 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15715043 Mike from Ohio said:
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is a mystery to me.


Why people want to die on the "He sucks, I know because I'm some sort of QB expert" hill baffles me.

To be fair the only clear things I see people post in absolutes are that "he sucks and will never be more than mediocre". I never see the people in his corner (you know, as Giants fans) post anything more than they think he has been dealt a shit hand and they think maybe there is something there that could still be cultivated. You know with like real consistent coaching. And some actual blocking.

Like me. I guess we just differ there.



DJ haters want to die on Glennon and Trubisky hill.



And DJ obsessed fan boys prefer to see the Giants lose than consider the possibility that the GM who drafted him, and was fired for being terrible at drafting, maybe made a mistake with Jones.

Mike show me one post that shows "dj obsessed fan boys prefer to lose" than move on from him. I have never seen anyone post anything like that on this site. Like ever.
RE: RE: RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
Johnny5 : 5/22/2022 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15714842 Route 9 said:
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is a mystery to me.


Why people want to die on the "He sucks, I know because I'm some sort of QB expert" hill baffles me.

To be fair the only clear things I see people post in absolutes are that "he sucks and will never be more than mediocre". I never see the people in his corner (you know, as Giants fans) post anything more than they think he has been dealt a shit hand and they think maybe there is something there that could still be cultivated. You know with like real consistent coaching. And some actual blocking.

Like me. I guess we just differ there.



The difference is nobody is dying on that hill right now. Anyone who isn't a believer in Jones is right.

It's just up to you to not take it so personally and just wipe those tears away from your eyes.

So you somehow saw tears from this post? lol
Jones HAS been a poor player. That's a fact.  
Go Terps : 5/22/2022 11:15 pm : link
Where opinion comes in is the cause of his having been a poor player. Some think it's because he lacks the ability to be a high level NFL QB, others think it's because he has suffered due to the poor players around him.

What I don't get about the later argument is why people would think Gettleman got Jones right and everything else wrong. What I also don't get is why those people aren't making the same argument for every other player.

Where are the arguments for Evan Engram being dragged down by the garbage around him? Where are those arguments for Slayton, or Ximenes, or Crowder, or any other player on the roster? What makes Jones unique that that argument applies only to him? How do we know Niko Lalos isn't being held back from being an All-Pro?

Facts are stubborn things. The fact is Jones has been poor. The rest is conversation.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
Mike from Ohio : 5/23/2022 8:55 am : link
In comment 15715333 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15714993 Spiciest Memelord said:


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is a mystery to me.


Why people want to die on the "He sucks, I know because I'm some sort of QB expert" hill baffles me.

To be fair the only clear things I see people post in absolutes are that "he sucks and will never be more than mediocre". I never see the people in his corner (you know, as Giants fans) post anything more than they think he has been dealt a shit hand and they think maybe there is something there that could still be cultivated. You know with like real consistent coaching. And some actual blocking.

Like me. I guess we just differ there.



DJ haters want to die on Glennon and Trubisky hill.



And DJ obsessed fan boys prefer to see the Giants lose than consider the possibility that the GM who drafted him, and was fired for being terrible at drafting, maybe made a mistake with Jones.



I m not quite sure what a DJ fan boy is, but if it means being hopeful he turns out to be the guy, guess I qualify. Should note, the minute the Giants move on from him, so do I. Does that disqualify me, … not certain I understand the parameters.


DJ Fan Boy is the opposite of DJ Hater. Since many on this site continue to use hyperbole to marginalize anyone with an opposing view point, I thought it should be applied consistently.

If you think there are DJ Haters, you are probably a DJ Fan Boy. Since DJ Haters just want Jones gone and actually hope the Giants suck to accomplish that, a DJ Fan Boy is a someone who would rather lose with DJ at QB than win with someone else at the position.

Hope that helps clarify it for you.
RE: RE: Why people wanna die on the DJ hill  
Mike from Ohio : 5/23/2022 8:57 am : link
In comment 15716013 Johnny5 said:
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is a mystery to me.


Why people want to die on the "He sucks, I know because I'm some sort of QB expert" hill baffles me.

To be fair the only clear things I see people post in absolutes are that "he sucks and will never be more than mediocre". I never see the people in his corner (you know, as Giants fans) post anything more than they think he has been dealt a shit hand and they think maybe there is something there that could still be cultivated. You know with like real consistent coaching. And some actual blocking.

Like me. I guess we just differ there.



DJ haters want to die on Glennon and Trubisky hill.



And DJ obsessed fan boys prefer to see the Giants lose than consider the possibility that the GM who drafted him, and was fired for being terrible at drafting, maybe made a mistake with Jones.


Mike show me one post that shows "dj obsessed fan boys prefer to lose" than move on from him. I have never seen anyone post anything like that on this site. Like ever.


There isn't one, just like there is no post where someone says they hope the Giants suck so they move on from Jones. But that same thought is assigned to people all the time on these threads, usually by the same posters.
I do not consider Jones 'clutch'  
ChrisRick : 5/23/2022 10:26 am : link
I am hoping Jones turns it all around under hopefully a better coaching staff and roster. It is reasonable that he could, but I do not think it is likely. We'll see, but I think it is more likely the Giants are looking at the draft for their new qb.
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