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NGT: is Nick Saban about to be exposed

Giantsfan79 : 5/21/2022 7:01 am
from Jimbo Fisher the current coach at Texas A&M's press conference the other day

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“Go talk to coaches who coached for him. You’ll find out all the parity. Go dig into where he’s been. You can find out anything. . . . Some people think they’re God. Go dig into how God did his deal. You may find out about a guy that — a lot of things you don’t want to know. We’ve built him up to be the czar of football. Go dig into his past, or anybody that’s ever coached with him. You can find out anything you wanna find out, what he does and how he does it. And it’s despicable. . . . Just go ask all the people who worked for him, who know exactly what he’s about. . . . You coach with people like Bobby Bowden and learn how to do things. You coach with other people and learn how not to do things. There’s a reason I ain’t went back and worked for him with opportunities. Don’t wanna be associated with it.”


I'm guessing a bunch of reporters are about to get a new assignment next week, and negative stories about Saban could be forthcoming.

Anyone know or heard anything that jives with Fisher's comments?
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Didn't Nick Saban piss on Texas A&M just a few days ago?  
M.S. : 5/21/2022 7:27 am : link

Saying Texas A&M ‘bought every player’ in No. 1 recruiting class and that Alabama ‘didn’t buy one’???

Maybe what we got here is two very successful coaches snorting out loud and thumping their chests.

if Saban is so evil,  
bluefin : 5/21/2022 7:36 am : link
why didn’t Fisher just elaborate a little?
RE: if Saban is so evil,  
section125 : 5/21/2022 7:51 am : link
In comment 15714859 bluefin said:
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why didn’t Fisher just elaborate a little?


Jimbo sort of screwed FSU after getting Bobby Bowden ejected. He started out well, then stopped recruiting on his way to getting back into the SEC so he could attempt to beat Saban. I think most of these guys are snakes with huge egos and the players are just fodder for the egos.

FWIW, there is a reason Thibodeaux avoided Alabama and went to Oregon. People here chastised him for not wanting to go to a meat grinder...I thought this showed a lot smarts on Thibs part.
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bluefin : 5/21/2022 8:01 am : link
In comment 15714864 section125 said:
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In comment 15714859 bluefin said:


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why didn’t Fisher just elaborate a little?



Jimbo sort of screwed FSU after getting Bobby Bowden ejected. He started out well, then stopped recruiting on his way to getting back into the SEC so he could attempt to beat Saban. I think most of these guys are snakes with huge egos and the players are just fodder for the egos.

I think this is true, and it also explains the strange disaster of Urban Meyer.
Pandoras Box  
lono801 : 5/21/2022 8:09 am : link
It’s like the steroid use in The NFL story from a few years ago…

Just leave it alone…ignorance is bliss.

Way more important stuff out there…like the Johnny Depp and Amanda Heard trial.
Saban's program  
mittenedman : 5/21/2022 8:18 am : link
reminds me of Belichick's in New England. Some guys just don't want to be in that situation, even if you're winning. Meat grinder is a good description of it.
The Athletic had a good article yesterday about the  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 8:50 am : link
Fisher-Saban tit for tat. Apparently Saban-to no one's great surprise-is a total micromanager & that really pissed off Fisher when he was Saban's OC. Saban also wanted an conservative offense, believing LSU would win by limiting their mistakes on offense & with a dominant defense.

& yes, working for Saban must be draining. One of the assistant coaches in the article said that he saw his son play like one high school football game because of the time & energy Saban required of them in terms of game planning & recruiting.
There was a thread…  
Chris in Philly : 5/21/2022 9:01 am : link
the other day with conversation about this. There’s more info there…
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the $ec didn't become the super conference it did by accident  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2022 10:06 am : link
and it's not a secret to anyone who watches CFB. Large rabid fanbases with friendly local media and friendly NCAA executives willing to look away. Not sure how many cases needed to be publicly confirmed (like Cam Newton costing Auburn $200k or Ole Miss' brief interlude buying top prospects like Tunsil) before everyone realized it was standard operating procedure.

Saban is just the most connected and disciplined when it comes to keeping things quiet.

the NIL is shifting the power dynamic to schools with more corporate $ firepower so the sec is losing some of the advantages it's enjoyed for the last couple decades.
Eric...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 10:07 am : link
I love college football, but it is a shady, shady enterprise.
RE: Eric...  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15714925 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I love college football, but it is a shady, shady enterprise.


it's institutional but it's been that way forever. how could it not be when there's millions/billions on the line and none of it was going to the players that determined which schools got more of that money? ricky roe's dad needed a new tractor like 30 years ago the only surprise is that over that period of time nobody has cared enough to dig into the non-fiction at schools like bama since then.
Good Guys...Bad Guys...  
Alamo : 5/21/2022 10:34 am : link
In life,the bad guys are on top because they push the envelope to make something good happen..The good guys are passive, and wait for something good to happen..
There are no passive Giants fans on this board..We want action,and right now with this new staff,we are getting it..I do not want to know how they are doing it..Just do it,is what I say..
The local media and to a certain degree national  
larryflower37 : 5/21/2022 11:46 am : link
Is complicit in all of this, SEC schools have been boostering their way to dominance for years and local media would never report it.
NIL has leveled the playing field and to a certain extent shifted the power to big market school with plenty of local money to throw around. California, Florida and Texas schools will be back on the map.
This is just a great line  
The Turk : 5/21/2022 1:54 pm : link
"there’s a reason I ain’t went back"

"ain't went" - I think that's the past pluperfect tense or something. Jimbo is a fine edjumacater at an institution of higher learnin' in the Great State of Texas
What I find most amusing  
BigBlueBuff : 5/21/2022 4:17 pm : link
about the spat, other than the fact that as an FSU fan I'm enjoying the hell out of the running jokes about "translating Jimbo" among the FSU fans is that Jimbo got so bent out of shape about Saban's statements that he went after him that hard.

First of all, Saban was at a donor event. What he was saying was "Give me more money" without actually saying it directly. Second, everyone in the Southeast knows that Alabama and Georgia (among a few others) have some of the biggest, wealthiest, and most "willing to do the dirty things" fanbases in college sports. There was no need for Jimbo to say a word but he did anyway, which is absolutely peak Jimbo.

The NIL as it is currently constructed is going to cause a major shakeup in college football but as bad it has been, at least it has given us moments like these to savor.
RE: The local media and to a certain degree national  
BigBlueBuff : 5/21/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15714986 larryflower37 said:
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Is complicit in all of this, SEC schools have been boostering their way to dominance for years and local media would never report it.
NIL has leveled the playing field and to a certain extent shifted the power to big market school with plenty of local money to throw around. California, Florida and Texas schools will be back on the map.

I would not be so sure about that. USC will be back and there is potential for some of Northern schools to benefit but I would wait to see what happens with all of the rest.

Unregulated NIL is going to favor the schools with the largest and wealthiest alumni bases. Younger powers like Miami and FSU might have some whales that will prop them up, but in the long run the more established fan bases are going to end up winning the race.

Both Alabama and Georgia (plus Mississippi, Tennessee, South Carolina, etc.) as institutions go back to before the Civil War and have generations upon generations of alumni families. Miami wasn't founded until 1925 and FSU didn't emerge in its current configuration until 1947. Factor in that the Big Ten and SEC make so much more TV money than the ACC and it looks grim for several schools in that conference.
BBB.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 4:31 pm : link
I think Saban too was all but telling the donors, 'We need to do what A&M is doing'. I just think he articulated it poorly, which prompted Jimbo's freakout.

October 8th...A&M vs. 'Bama in Tuscaloosa. In the immortal words of TO, getcha popcorn ready.
RE: the $ec didn't become the super conference it did by accident  
CT Charlie : 5/22/2022 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15714923 Eric on Li said:
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and it's not a secret to anyone who watches CFB. Large rabid fanbases with friendly local media and friendly NCAA executives willing to look away. Not sure how many cases needed to be publicly confirmed (like Cam Newton costing Auburn $200k or Ole Miss' brief interlude buying top prospects like Tunsil) before everyone realized it was standard operating procedure.

Saban is just the most connected and disciplined when it comes to keeping things quiet.

the NIL is shifting the power dynamic to schools with more corporate $ firepower so the sec is losing some of the advantages it's enjoyed for the last couple decades.


So we should expect the Ivy League to return to dominance?
RE: RE: the $ec didn't become the super conference it did by accident  
Eric on Li : 5/22/2022 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15716030 CT Charlie said:
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In comment 15714923 Eric on Li said:


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and it's not a secret to anyone who watches CFB. Large rabid fanbases with friendly local media and friendly NCAA executives willing to look away. Not sure how many cases needed to be publicly confirmed (like Cam Newton costing Auburn $200k or Ole Miss' brief interlude buying top prospects like Tunsil) before everyone realized it was standard operating procedure.

Saban is just the most connected and disciplined when it comes to keeping things quiet.

the NIL is shifting the power dynamic to schools with more corporate $ firepower so the sec is losing some of the advantages it's enjoyed for the last couple decades.



So we should expect the Ivy League to return to dominance?


if their alumni were so inclined there's no reason they couldn't start getting better players. Jackson St is buying legitimate top recruits so anyone can.

so far it seems more like programs in the big metros like USC and Miami are benefiting the most from wealthy local alumni who have businesses that can throw around NIL money. SEC schools have tried form collectives but that seems like it's going to be less efficient (and a lot harder to legally defend).
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