Mara/Tisch have given the keys to Schoen, and after only a few months we’ve seen many changes across the NYG organization and roster. The results aren’t in yet, but everything indicates that new management is much more capable than the previous regime.
Could the Knicks ever do the same, or is it harder to do a major reset in an NBA environment? It’s easy to blame Dolan for NYK’s mediocrity, but what exactly is he doing, or not doing, that can be changed?
?? Perennial mediocrity? Yes they’ve made big changes (see Phil Jackson), but could they ever make a regime change that’s “transformational” (to borrow a Phil phrase).
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One, they did and, two, why? What has this regime done that was bad?
?? Perennial mediocrity? Yes they’ve made big changes (see Phil Jackson), but could they ever make a regime change that’s “transformational” (to borrow a Phil phrase).
Dude, what are you talking about? They just did this two years ago.
I will say I’d prefer the Knicks to be run by a more traditional NBA front office person who came up the ranks through personnel. It’s too soon to make a judgment on Rose though.
Its amazing that in 18 years, we've either stayed at our draft slot or gotten worse every single year. We haven't gotten lucky once and when we did(KP), he blows his knee out and turns into a pumpkin. If there were no such thing as bad luck, the Knicks would have no luck at all.
Last year it didnt work out with Kemba and Randle took a step back but they had improvement from their young players, they have plenty of draft picks and cap flexibility..
You dont judge a front office until they make their big move, they havnt done it yet
What an effing disgrace.
What an effing disgrace.
you realize Rose and his cronies are getting a ton less than they would being an agent...so your comment about just in it for the paycheck is simply not true..
By qll accounts Rose works his butt off, just hecause he doesnt talk in the media doesnt mean he is not working..
I don’t buy that. I’ve seen the shittiest forms of human life ( as team owner) win pro titles time and time again.
The Knicks are doing what they can and not forcing things. I’m frustrated too but you can’t conjure up the last 20 years when evaluating this regime. They aren’t linked. Let’s see what this offseason brings. They don’t need to drop everything for the star phuck approach but they definitely need a floor leader here. They need back court talent.
Not resigning Mitch or sign and trade
Maybe trading Noel if there are takers
Kemba gone
Going with total youth movement
Using future picks to acquire youth
Simms
Obi
IQ
RJ
Grimes
Cam Reddish
Rose
Burke
Deuce
At 11. Will hit a home run in the draft
No trade for Donovan. Asking way to much and frankly he’s not worth it
Building through youth where past regimes traded everyone away for has beens
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Which is a ridiculous way to deal with a fanbase that's as loyal as any in the entire NBA. All of us who hate Dolan actually want to see the Knicks do well. We know he's the reason why they ultimately fail. He hires idiots. Rose and his CAA cronies are just after a paycheck. The less they say---which Dolan certainly is not against---the longer they'll stay in power. World Wide Wes is even in on the act. Everyone gets a golden parachute from Prince Dolan on the way out. Just ask Larry Brown, Isaiah Thomas, Phil Jackson, et al.
What an effing disgrace.
you realize Rose and his cronies are getting a ton less than they would being an agent...so your comment about just in it for the paycheck is simply not true..
By qll accounts Rose works his butt off, just hecause he doesnt talk in the media doesnt mean he is not working..
They don't talk to the media at all nygiants16. That's the issue. The fans do want to hear from them from time to time. What of the seeming disconnect taking place now between Thibs and this front office? As far as the money is concerned, these guys are all getting paid handsomely.
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Which is a ridiculous way to deal with a fanbase that's as loyal as any in the entire NBA. All of us who hate Dolan actually want to see the Knicks do well. We know he's the reason why they ultimately fail. He hires idiots. Rose and his CAA cronies are just after a paycheck. The less they say---which Dolan certainly is not against---the longer they'll stay in power. World Wide Wes is even in on the act. Everyone gets a golden parachute from Prince Dolan on the way out. Just ask Larry Brown, Isaiah Thomas, Phil Jackson, et al.
What an effing disgrace.
you realize Rose and his cronies are getting a ton less than they would being an agent...so your comment about just in it for the paycheck is simply not true..
By qll accounts Rose works his butt off, just hecause he doesnt talk in the media doesnt mean he is not working..
They don't talk to the media at all nygiants16. That's the issue. The fans do want to hear from them from time to time. What of the seeming disconnect taking place now between Thibs and this front office? As far as the money is concerned, these guys are all getting paid handsomely.
Nowhere close to what they were making as agents, so your paycheck comment makes no sense..
2nd i dont care if they talk to the media..3 times they should talk, before the season, after deadline and after season...thats it and you may not like it but he talked after the season...
Donnie Walsh talked every week and everyone in the NBA knew the knicks plans..
Yeah, i like those type if hires, they have connections and guys that work at those shoe companies or as agents need talent evaluation to be good at their jobs
He is sure spending a lot of time in NY haha, but we knew he did that, its just visible right now..
He has spent time with Quick, was at the Rangers game 7 sitting next to robert randolph haha
last night he was at a wedding for a CAA employee, Leon Rose was also in attendance..
It has been said Atlanta and Miami are also keeping an eye on Mitchell..
We also had the whole Mo Bamba thing..
I am actually surprised Mitchell hasnt addressed the rumors of him wanting out
Eh not entirely true. The Bucks did not win the lottery, they got Giannis at pick 15. Kawhi was drafted at 15 also. But yes for the most part you need to win the lottery and get the stud player
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Which is a ridiculous way to deal with a fanbase that's as loyal as any in the entire NBA. All of us who hate Dolan actually want to see the Knicks do well. We know he's the reason why they ultimately fail. He hires idiots. Rose and his CAA cronies are just after a paycheck. The less they say---which Dolan certainly is not against---the longer they'll stay in power. World Wide Wes is even in on the act. Everyone gets a golden parachute from Prince Dolan on the way out. Just ask Larry Brown, Isaiah Thomas, Phil Jackson, et al.
What an effing disgrace.
you realize Rose and his cronies are getting a ton less than they would being an agent...so your comment about just in it for the paycheck is simply not true..
By qll accounts Rose works his butt off, just hecause he doesnt talk in the media doesnt mean he is not working..
They don't talk to the media at all nygiants16. That's the issue. The fans do want to hear from them from time to time. What of the seeming disconnect taking place now between Thibs and this front office? As far as the money is concerned, these guys are all getting paid handsomely.
Nowhere close to what they were making as agents, so your paycheck comment makes no sense..
2nd i dont care if they talk to the media..3 times they should talk, before the season, after deadline and after season...thats it and you may not like it but he talked after the season...
Donnie Walsh talked every week and everyone in the NBA knew the knicks plans..
Then why would Rose take the job? Altruistic reasons? How is he not getting paid more to do this? He is DEFINITELY gaining something materially in order to give up being an agent, either that or he's double dipping.
Here's What Knicks President Leon Rose Said About New York's Season - By BRETT SIEGEL - APRIL 11, 2022
Bringing up Donnie Walsh is ridiculous. One can talk and not give away plans. Leon Rose isn't exactly Jerry West. We barely hear from him. You're entitled to your opinion, but most Knicks fans I know and communicate with want to hear from him. Come on over to one of the KnicksFansTV live streams on YouTube and say that and see what you get back.
"Development is Key" - Leon Rose talks about the season and the play of our young core. - ( New Window )
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Which is a ridiculous way to deal with a fanbase that's as loyal as any in the entire NBA. All of us who hate Dolan actually want to see the Knicks do well. We know he's the reason why they ultimately fail. He hires idiots. Rose and his CAA cronies are just after a paycheck. The less they say---which Dolan certainly is not against---the longer they'll stay in power. World Wide Wes is even in on the act. Everyone gets a golden parachute from Prince Dolan on the way out. Just ask Larry Brown, Isaiah Thomas, Phil Jackson, et al.
What an effing disgrace.
you realize Rose and his cronies are getting a ton less than they would being an agent...so your comment about just in it for the paycheck is simply not true..
By qll accounts Rose works his butt off, just hecause he doesnt talk in the media doesnt mean he is not working..
They don't talk to the media at all nygiants16. That's the issue. The fans do want to hear from them from time to time. What of the seeming disconnect taking place now between Thibs and this front office? As far as the money is concerned, these guys are all getting paid handsomely.
Nowhere close to what they were making as agents, so your paycheck comment makes no sense..
2nd i dont care if they talk to the media..3 times they should talk, before the season, after deadline and after season...thats it and you may not like it but he talked after the season...
Donnie Walsh talked every week and everyone in the NBA knew the knicks plans..
Then why would Rose take the job? Altruistic reasons? How is he not getting paid more to do this? He is DEFINITELY gaining something materially in order to give up being an agent, either that or he's double dipping.
Here's What Knicks President Leon Rose Said About New York's Season - By BRETT SIEGEL - APRIL 11, 2022
Bringing up Donnie Walsh is ridiculous. One can talk and not give away plans. Leon Rose isn't exactly Jerry West. We barely hear from him. You're entitled to your opinion, but most Knicks fans I know and communicate with want to hear from him. Come on over to one of the KnicksFansTV live streams on YouTube and say that and see what you get back.
"Development is Key" - Leon Rose talks about the season and the play of our young core. - ( New Window )
He is worth 150 million and made 40 million a year being an agent, yeah zero chance he is makong more running the Knicks..
I watch Knicksfantv all the time, none of them complain that he doesnt talk, would they like to hesr from him? sure but him not talking is not that big of a deal...He is not a talker, he will bever be a talker...
Donnie Walsh was a joke, what was the difference between his plan and steve Mills? nothing, they both cleared cap space to sign a max free agent and both failed miserably...
Everyone knew the Knicks plan, everyone knew they wanted Steph Curry..
You see the Knicks could be up to there old tricks again.Coveting other teams players in search of another Carmelo deal.Which will cost draft picks and young players,and limit there ability to improve the team.Even if the dumbasses get there "Star".
Maybe this time around someone will save the Knicks from themselves.
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Win the lottery an get a superstar. That's the formula. Nothing else works or matters.
Eh not entirely true. The Bucks did not win the lottery, they got Giannis at pick 15. Kawhi was drafted at 15 also. But yes for the most part you need to win the lottery and get the stud player
So either win the lottery OR have a jackpot of a pick in the middle of the draft that is another form of ridiculous luck (both Bucks and Spurs would have rather picked 1st in those years and almost guaranteed they don't take those guys)
Its a superstar league with guaranteed contracts...hardest sport to turn it around. Knicks had a couple good shots at top picks and just didnt work out. Sucks
Couple that with the fact that they changed the Draft structure the year that we had the worst record in the league and we've really dodged a lot of good opportunities to improve via the draft. It sucks, but hitting on a lot of these players later in the draft certainly will help when they're looking to make a big trade.
As for Rose, I mean he had a fake-ass press conference with Breen where he knew the questions and still didn't sound good, so I am guessing he might just suck in a press conference.
Either way, it'd be good to have some communication even if he didn't say shit about anyone. I think Macri said it best in the last KFTV/KFS crossover pod - it comes from Dolan, it's a distraction that the Knicks don't need and perpetuates the shitty relationship that the team has with the media (and fans honestly) under his ownership.
Link to question on the pod... - ( New Window )
The player development track has been fine. The coaching, flaws and all, has been fine. Guys are playing hard. Guys are developing. Things aren't toxic. You can't force the big move or trade. Fine, be pragmatic and patient and perform due diligence and be thorough. And get a point guard/floor leader in here. Then you can let IQ do his thing and not be under too much pressure as the only young guard on the team that can stay in front of opposing guards.
I still say it's ok to trade Randle for a PG even though trading big for small isn't always wise. IF you can get that under 30 two play floor leader in here, do it.
The player development track has been fine. The coaching, flaws and all, has been fine. Guys are playing hard. Guys are developing. Things aren't toxic. You can't force the big move or trade. Fine, be pragmatic and patient and perform due diligence and be thorough. And get a point guard/floor leader in here. Then you can let IQ do his thing and not be under too much pressure as the only young guard on the team that can stay in front of opposing guards.
I dont think its you need a point guard, you need 2 consistent scorers..
If you look at the teams remaining, Boston has Marcus Smart at point basically just 3 and d..
Warriors have Curry, whose really not a point..
Heat havnt had Lowry and have made it to the conference finals and even with Lowry he is not a true point..
Dallas basically runs through Doncic and have abunch of shooters, Brunson is the closest thing to a point but when Doncic is on the floor he is off the ball..
Knicks dont necassarily need a point, they need a star
And that's the hardest piece to get.
I would be shocked if Mitch is back with the Knicks
I hope they will be in on him. Apparently his max in a sign-and-trade would be 4/130. I'm fine with that. Not sure on how much salary we'd have to send out. I think you get into BYC issues and that's where I totally get lost with the cap rules.
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I hope they will be in on him. Apparently his max in a sign-and-trade would be 4/130. I'm fine with that. Not sure on how much salary we'd have to send out. I think you get into BYC issues and that's where I totally get lost with the cap rules.
I believe its half counts in a trade...so if its 30 for the first year, Knicks have to send out 15
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as an RFA.
I hope they will be in on him. Apparently his max in a sign-and-trade would be 4/130. I'm fine with that. Not sure on how much salary we'd have to send out. I think you get into BYC issues and that's where I totally get lost with the cap rules.
I believe its half counts in a trade...so if its 30 for the first year, Knicks have to send out 15
there was a recent article that laid it all out and it would be extremely difficult. But just for fun, I'd give them #11 and then pretty much their choice of any vets on the roster to make the money work.