It s good to know if Lemieux starts he beat out legitimate competition. Seems quite different when several JAGS were handed starting positions last season
Competition is always good, this new staff has done an incredible job of creating it
Did you notice the one name that wasn't mentioned in the competition for LG? Jamil Douglas and Max Garcia were mentioned but not Ben Bredeson. Perhaps that's a sign that Bredeson's move to center is permanent.
Lemieux — who hasn’t spoken to the media since going down after Week 1 last year — appears to be fully healed from the knee injury. He wasn’t even limited at Thursday’s practice and ran with the starting offensive line unit all afternoon.
after Joe Judge, but it’s hard to not like this guy, Bobby Johnson, from the way he speaks.
Comments on “pressure”:
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Johnson was asked on Thursday if he feels pressure to get this right.
“No,” Johnson said. “Do I feel responsibility? Yes, that’s different. Pressure? If I felt pressure then I wouldn’t do the job. If you’re afraid of the job then you shouldn’t take the job.
“I feel responsibility because I have a privilege. The team, the unit hasn’t performed to expectations. My responsibility is to get them to do that. There’s not pressure in that, it’s just what comes with the job.”
“I’ve had the benefit of having some really good jobs,” Johnson said. “This is another really good job. I don’t feel the pressure, I just feel a responsibility to get them to perform to expectation, mostly the expectations of ownership. This is one of the blue-blood organizations.”
“He had whatever it is that makes me go, ‘I want to be around this guy. I want to coach this guy. I want to help this guy achieve his potential,’ ” Johnson said. “It was just that he wants to be really good. The more you talk to him, you find out it’s not lip service. It’s real.”
Showing patience with a rookie while expecting elite performance is a “delicate balance.”
“He was drafted in the top 10 and came to New York City. That alone is enough pressure to crush a player,” Johnson said. “My job is to develop them all. I will stunt his development if I try to exert any more pressure than is already there.
“Evan puts a lot of pressure on himself, I’ve learned. One of my keys to him is, ‘My job is to coach you. If you need any pressure applied, let me do it. Don’t do it to yourself because you are too young, and you won’t know when to turn it off.’ “
im back in on lemiuex because we know he has that in him and it appears he's back to health. Lemieux-Felciano-Glowinski seems as dirt baggy as an interior OL can get and I think it's going to take a big performance from anyone else or an injury to unseat 1 of those 3 to start the year. Ezeudu seems like the more talented athlete so i expect he'll eventually get that spot (or another one if there's an injury) by the end of the season but to start he's probably the 6th OL. Gates is the wild card if he somehow gets to 100% but based on their comments i'd guess they take it slow and start him on PUP.
for anyone who hasn't listened to the interviews of the various guards now on the team the last few days a lot of really good info has come out. Feliciano said he thinks he's a much better RG than LG but that C is his best position and that the team was pretty emphatic that's where they wanted him.
Glowinski said he could play both G spots easily but he can do everything at RG in his sleep since he's been there the last few years.
So 4/5 starting spots on the depth chart seem clear and the top 3 contenders for LG seem clear. Backup C and backup T seem like open competitions with less clarity but where guys can win the 8th, 9th, and maybe 10th spots on the roster.
and if I did I apologize but I am amazed that all those reporters are there and not one asked about when Nick Gates is expected to return to practice.
i think they asked daboll and his answer was something like "gates and peart are the only ones who may not be ready for camp day 1 but they are making progress so we'll see".
Peart is going to have an uphill battle making this
and if I did I apologize but I am amazed that all those reporters are there and not one asked about when Nick Gates is expected to return to practice.
i think they asked daboll and his answer was something like "gates and peart are the only ones who may not be ready for camp day 1 but they are making progress so we'll see".
Thanks Eric, I have all but given up on Peart but if the Giants are able to get Nick Gates back at some point this season then that would be a huge boost for the OL.
RE: Peart is going to have an uphill battle making this
His best shot is landing on the PUP list. If Lemieux wins the LG spot then the Giants have Gono and Ezeudu who can play OT so there really isn't a spot for Peart barring injuries.
based on the roster #'s it seems obvious to me to PUP them unless they are 100%+ without any limitations at all. And even then it may make sense to hold them back until there's an injury in front of them. Too much of a luxury to have 2 extra OL not counting against the 53 for the first month and a half of the season.
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Q. Is there anyone you don't expect to be ready for the summer training camp?
BRIAN DABOLL: Probably give me a few more weeks on that. I think everybody is moving in the right direction. They've done a good job. The training staff has really done a good job. We'll end up talking about that before we leave, but I'm not ready to give you an answer on that one yet.
Q. How about Nick Gates, how has he been progressing?
BRIAN DABOLL: Yeah, same as the other guys. He had a tough injury, but he's done a good job with his rehab. Probably still a little bit a ways away. I'd say him and Matt Peart, they're rehabbing every single day, getting better each day, so we'll see where they're at.
recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
Feliciano is only signed for the 1 year, he's 30, and he hasn't always been the most durable. He's a nice bridge to buy time for Gates to get his chance to make that clear to the new regime he can be the player we thought he was about to become pre-injury. What they do with the contract will give us some insight into how they view him.
Will be interesting to see how they handle his contract in camp, my guess is in the likely scenario he's not ready day 1 they add a year and offset some of his cap hit this year.
RE: I know it might be a longshot but I hope Gates can
recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
It was just like Adam Koets only Gates was a better player and showed it over a longer stretch. I am hoping that he makes a Seubert like return but I am tempering my expectations this season. I am expecting the Giants to take it very slowly with Gates. Even if he is cleared week one I think that he begins the season bench and remains there for most of the year if not the entire season.
RE: RE: I know it might be a longshot but I hope Gates can
recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
It was just like Adam Koets only Gates was a better player and showed it over a longer stretch. I am hoping that he makes a Seubert like return but I am tempering my expectations this season. I am expecting the Giants to take it very slowly with Gates. Even if he is cleared week one I think that he begins the season bench and remains there for most of the year if not the entire season.
Seubert is a good template. he came back as the 6th OL for 05 and 06 making 4 starts and appearing in 18 games.
In 2007 they moved Diehl to LT from LG after moving on from Petigout and Seubert went in at LG full time until 2010 which were his age 28-31 seasons.
this is Gates age 27 season and in the likely event he's not 100% back day 1 it makes sense to add a year on, bring him along slowly, and see what happens with him and the other centers on the roster.
recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
Feliciano is only signed for the 1 year, he's 30, and he hasn't always been the most durable. He's a nice bridge to buy time for Gates to get his chance to make that clear to the new regime he can be the player we thought he was about to become pre-injury. What they do with the contract will give us some insight into how they view him.
Will be interesting to see how they handle his contract in camp, my guess is in the likely scenario he's not ready day 1 they add a year and offset some of his cap hit this year.
Feliciano is a stopgap as you said. The Giants were not able to fix four OL spots long term in one offseason with no cap space. Feliciano buys them a year to evaluate Gates' progress and to see if a guy like Bredeson can step up to become a dependable player in the middle. If Gates doesn't return to form then the Giants can address the center position in free agency or the draft.
He was a below average Guard when he started 2 years ago. I hope someone beats him out. I dont want anyone handed a job over him, I want them to beat him. That will show me that the line is certainly improving. Thomas is still getting better, LG is a ?, C should be better than Price but still a ?, RD Glowinski is better than Hernandez and RT should be better than Solder/Peart.
I guess part of me just wants the OL to have 4 new starters. It has been bad for so long I think they need a fresh start. Id rather have Lemieux as a backup but may the best man win.
recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
The frustrating thing about the injury - other than the injury itself of course - is that it arguably came because the Giants moved him to guard to start Billy Price. For some reason.
RE: RE: I know it might be a longshot but I hope Gates can
recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
The frustrating thing about the injury - other than the injury itself of course - is that it arguably came because the Giants moved him to guard to start Billy Price. For some reason.
Simple reason---Joe Judge was and probably still is an idiot. And let us not forget the same Joe Judge drove all the signed veteran free agents into retirement by having everyone run laps as if they were teenagers, not grown men.
It's a one year deal, but it was for $3.25M (with $2.4M guaranteed), which tells me it was a "prove it" deal. Feliciano anticipates having a successful season and wants to re-enter the market next year after having shown what he can do at center. The Giants are taking the "strength in numbers" approach to the center position. Feliciano is the projected 2022 starter, but Gates will return at some point to compete, Garcia and Bredeson are taking snaps at the position, and if you recall, Lemieux was taking snaps at center in his rookie camp (or maybe it was just the rookie OTAs, but he was mentioned as a possibility at center prior to Gates shining in 2020). So if Ezeudu were to win the left guard spot, we could see Lemieux competing at center in 2023 and conversely, if Lemieux should establish himself at left guard, we could see Ezeudu at center (he has the smarts and athletic ability to shine there)in 2023.
So when it comes to 2022, I think they're fully committed to Feliciano (money talks, bullshit walks), but when it comes to 2023, it's anybody's guess; with Gates and Feliciano the most likely candidates (on a new contract), Ezeudu and Lemieux in the mix, and Bredeson and Garcia as long shots. It's also very possible they draft a center in 2023 if none of their 2022 options impress and Gates doesn't return to full health.
He was a below average Guard when he started 2 years ago. I hope someone beats him out. I dont want anyone handed a job over him, I want them to beat him. That will show me that the line is certainly improving. Thomas is still getting better, LG is a ?, C should be better than Price but still a ?, RD Glowinski is better than Hernandez and RT should be better than Solder/Peart.
I guess part of me just wants the OL to have 4 new starters. It has been bad for so long I think they need a fresh start. Id rather have Lemieux as a backup but may the best man win.
bbi's love for our interior OL has me feeling unsettled like the love for Brandon Marshall signing would get us over the hump to the super bowl.
It is going to be hard to find enough reps to sort out the LG spot
And the backups in a training camp with very little contact, few preseason games and NO (at least not yet) scrimmages with other teams.
I figure the Giants need to have 10 o-linemen to start the season with 7 or 8 ready to play in the opener. Others to be inactive or on the practice squad with liberal call-up rules.
RE: I was thinking Ezeudu would win LG but after the dirtbag comment
im back in on lemiuex because we know he has that in him and it appears he's back to health. Lemieux-Felciano-Glowinski seems as dirt baggy as an interior OL can get and I think it's going to take a big performance from anyone else or an injury to unseat 1 of those 3 to start the year. Ezeudu seems like the more talented athlete so i expect he'll eventually get that spot (or another one if there's an injury) by the end of the season but to start he's probably the 6th OL. Gates is the wild card if he somehow gets to 100% but based on their comments i'd guess they take it slow and start him on PUP.
for anyone who hasn't listened to the interviews of the various guards now on the team the last few days a lot of really good info has come out. Feliciano said he thinks he's a much better RG than LG but that C is his best position and that the team was pretty emphatic that's where they wanted him.
Glowinski said he could play both G spots easily but he can do everything at RG in his sleep since he's been there the last few years.
So 4/5 starting spots on the depth chart seem clear and the top 3 contenders for LG seem clear. Backup C and backup T seem like open competitions with less clarity but where guys can win the 8th, 9th, and maybe 10th spots on the roster.
It seems the Giants have an early favorite to start at left guard next to Andrew Thomas — but a rookie looms - ( New Window )
Competition is always good, this new staff has done an incredible job of creating it
Lemieux — who hasn’t spoken to the media since going down after Week 1 last year — appears to be fully healed from the knee injury. He wasn’t even limited at Thursday’s practice and ran with the starting offensive line unit all afternoon.
Lemieux is good to go!
Comments on “pressure”:
“No,” Johnson said. “Do I feel responsibility? Yes, that’s different. Pressure? If I felt pressure then I wouldn’t do the job. If you’re afraid of the job then you shouldn’t take the job.
“I feel responsibility because I have a privilege. The team, the unit hasn’t performed to expectations. My responsibility is to get them to do that. There’s not pressure in that, it’s just what comes with the job.”
“I’ve had the benefit of having some really good jobs,” Johnson said. “This is another really good job. I don’t feel the pressure, I just feel a responsibility to get them to perform to expectation, mostly the expectations of ownership. This is one of the blue-blood organizations.”
Seperate article with full quote
Comments on Neal:
Showing patience with a rookie while expecting elite performance is a “delicate balance.”
“He was drafted in the top 10 and came to New York City. That alone is enough pressure to crush a player,” Johnson said. “My job is to develop them all. I will stunt his development if I try to exert any more pressure than is already there.
“Evan puts a lot of pressure on himself, I’ve learned. One of my keys to him is, ‘My job is to coach you. If you need any pressure applied, let me do it. Don’t do it to yourself because you are too young, and you won’t know when to turn it off.’ “
for anyone who hasn't listened to the interviews of the various guards now on the team the last few days a lot of really good info has come out. Feliciano said he thinks he's a much better RG than LG but that C is his best position and that the team was pretty emphatic that's where they wanted him.
Glowinski said he could play both G spots easily but he can do everything at RG in his sleep since he's been there the last few years.
So 4/5 starting spots on the depth chart seem clear and the top 3 contenders for LG seem clear. Backup C and backup T seem like open competitions with less clarity but where guys can win the 8th, 9th, and maybe 10th spots on the roster.
i think they asked daboll and his answer was something like "gates and peart are the only ones who may not be ready for camp day 1 but they are making progress so we'll see".
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and if I did I apologize but I am amazed that all those reporters are there and not one asked about when Nick Gates is expected to return to practice.
i think they asked daboll and his answer was something like "gates and peart are the only ones who may not be ready for camp day 1 but they are making progress so we'll see".
Thanks Eric, I have all but given up on Peart but if the Giants are able to get Nick Gates back at some point this season then that would be a huge boost for the OL.
His best shot is landing on the PUP list. If Lemieux wins the LG spot then the Giants have Gono and Ezeudu who can play OT so there really isn't a spot for Peart barring injuries.
BRIAN DABOLL: Probably give me a few more weeks on that. I think everybody is moving in the right direction. They've done a good job. The training staff has really done a good job. We'll end up talking about that before we leave, but I'm not ready to give you an answer on that one yet.
Q. How about Nick Gates, how has he been progressing?
BRIAN DABOLL: Yeah, same as the other guys. He had a tough injury, but he's done a good job with his rehab. Probably still a little bit a ways away. I'd say him and Matt Peart, they're rehabbing every single day, getting better each day, so we'll see where they're at.
Feliciano is only signed for the 1 year, he's 30, and he hasn't always been the most durable. He's a nice bridge to buy time for Gates to get his chance to make that clear to the new regime he can be the player we thought he was about to become pre-injury. What they do with the contract will give us some insight into how they view him.
Will be interesting to see how they handle his contract in camp, my guess is in the likely scenario he's not ready day 1 they add a year and offset some of his cap hit this year.
It was just like Adam Koets only Gates was a better player and showed it over a longer stretch. I am hoping that he makes a Seubert like return but I am tempering my expectations this season. I am expecting the Giants to take it very slowly with Gates. Even if he is cleared week one I think that he begins the season bench and remains there for most of the year if not the entire season.
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recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
It was just like Adam Koets only Gates was a better player and showed it over a longer stretch. I am hoping that he makes a Seubert like return but I am tempering my expectations this season. I am expecting the Giants to take it very slowly with Gates. Even if he is cleared week one I think that he begins the season bench and remains there for most of the year if not the entire season.
Seubert is a good template. he came back as the 6th OL for 05 and 06 making 4 starts and appearing in 18 games.
In 2007 they moved Diehl to LT from LG after moving on from Petigout and Seubert went in at LG full time until 2010 which were his age 28-31 seasons.
this is Gates age 27 season and in the likely event he's not 100% back day 1 it makes sense to add a year on, bring him along slowly, and see what happens with him and the other centers on the roster.
Peart will start on the PUP IMO, but I wouldn't be surprised if he never plays in a regular season game for the Giants again.
DG devoted a lot of FA and draft resources to the OL with little success. Let's hope Schoen and Daboll do better.
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recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
Feliciano is only signed for the 1 year, he's 30, and he hasn't always been the most durable. He's a nice bridge to buy time for Gates to get his chance to make that clear to the new regime he can be the player we thought he was about to become pre-injury. What they do with the contract will give us some insight into how they view him.
Will be interesting to see how they handle his contract in camp, my guess is in the likely scenario he's not ready day 1 they add a year and offset some of his cap hit this year.
Feliciano is a stopgap as you said. The Giants were not able to fix four OL spots long term in one offseason with no cap space. Feliciano buys them a year to evaluate Gates' progress and to see if a guy like Bredeson can step up to become a dependable player in the middle. If Gates doesn't return to form then the Giants can address the center position in free agency or the draft.
I guess part of me just wants the OL to have 4 new starters. It has been bad for so long I think they need a fresh start. Id rather have Lemieux as a backup but may the best man win.
Time to move on from players associated with the old regime and the old way of thinking.
The rebuild will never be completed till all remnants of the past 10 years are gone. Gates included. Past successes or not
Right?
The frustrating thing about the injury - other than the injury itself of course - is that it arguably came because the Giants moved him to guard to start Billy Price. For some reason.
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recover & be his old self. I thought we found a diamond in the rough with him & then-with our luck-he gets injured.
The frustrating thing about the injury - other than the injury itself of course - is that it arguably came because the Giants moved him to guard to start Billy Price. For some reason.
Simple reason---Joe Judge was and probably still is an idiot. And let us not forget the same Joe Judge drove all the signed veteran free agents into retirement by having everyone run laps as if they were teenagers, not grown men.
Time to move on from players associated with the old regime and the old way of thinking.
The rebuild will never be completed till all remnants of the past 10 years are gone. Gates included. Past successes or not
Right?
With that philosophy guys like Harry Carson and George Martin would not have remained Giants
He's probably fortunate the old regime that had given up on him is gone. He has a clean slate now.
So when it comes to 2022, I think they're fully committed to Feliciano (money talks, bullshit walks), but when it comes to 2023, it's anybody's guess; with Gates and Feliciano the most likely candidates (on a new contract), Ezeudu and Lemieux in the mix, and Bredeson and Garcia as long shots. It's also very possible they draft a center in 2023 if none of their 2022 options impress and Gates doesn't return to full health.
I guess part of me just wants the OL to have 4 new starters. It has been bad for so long I think they need a fresh start. Id rather have Lemieux as a backup but may the best man win.
bbi's love for our interior OL has me feeling unsettled like the love for Brandon Marshall signing would get us over the hump to the super bowl.
I figure the Giants need to have 10 o-linemen to start the season with 7 or 8 ready to play in the opener. Others to be inactive or on the practice squad with liberal call-up rules.
for anyone who hasn't listened to the interviews of the various guards now on the team the last few days a lot of really good info has come out. Feliciano said he thinks he's a much better RG than LG but that C is his best position and that the team was pretty emphatic that's where they wanted him.
Glowinski said he could play both G spots easily but he can do everything at RG in his sleep since he's been there the last few years.
So 4/5 starting spots on the depth chart seem clear and the top 3 contenders for LG seem clear. Backup C and backup T seem like open competitions with less clarity but where guys can win the 8th, 9th, and maybe 10th spots on the roster.
Feliciano is dirtbag. Lemieux is Frenchy.
The narrative pervading BBI needs to catch up to reality. Lemieux - Dirtbag - Glow is an intriguing interior.