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According to P Leonard - WR K Toney had minor knee surgery

gidiefor : Mod : 5/21/2022 11:13 am
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Giants wide receiver Kadarius Toney had a minor arthroscopic knee procedure, sources say, which is why he’s been in a red jersey on the side at spring OTA practices. But he is expected to be fine and ready for training camp


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Ok for real  
Toth029 : 5/21/2022 1:23 pm : link
Is this guy Pat Leonard?
RE: …  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15715051 christian said:
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Where was it reported he had his meniscus cartilage trimmed?


I'm hypothesizing based on the information we were given.
RE: OK since this will be a fun little game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15715045 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Who said this, does anyone need a hint? XD

“There was some internal momentum for bailing on Toney during his tumultuous rookie season a year ago. His commitment came into question behind the scenes during his rookie year due to lack of playbook study, poor meeting behavior and frequent injuries.”


Quoting Pat Leonard is no way to go through life.
Why are people trying to have an intelligent conversation  
Mike from Ohio : 5/21/2022 1:33 pm : link
with memelord? He is a BBI Kardashian…he needs to be outrageous so someone will pay attention to him. He isn’t trying to be serious or be taken seriously.

If you don’t feed the troll he will wander off eventually.
RE: RE: RE: He  
SirLoinOfBeef : 5/21/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15715007 Kmed6000 said:
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Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.

As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.



It's been reported he's a negative in the meeting rooms too...



Where'd you read that? CNN?

Show me this article because I haven't heard this one yet.


I believe Tucker Carlson broke the story.
RE: Just to shed some light on the surgery....  
Ivan15 : 5/21/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15714991 Kmed6000 said:
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He had a knee scope and will be good to go by camp. That tells me that he had a scope and they shaved part of his meniscus. If it was repairable, he'd be out MUCH longer. The fact that it's scoped and his return is soon(Marshall faulk once played a game in 2 weeks after a scope) tells me that they are just cleaning it up. That's both good and bad.

Its good that its a very quick recovery and it shouldn't really hinder him at all. Its bad long term for Toney as it will probably cause some issues for him much later on(many years from now).


I guess the good news is that he already had the surgery and he is working out. I had arthroscopic surgery for a meniscus tear and the doc said basically that it would be a 7 week rehab. I thought that was a pretty minor procedure but I don’t know how different “shaving” the meniscus would be.

P.S. At the end of 7 weeks, the doc told me he was retiring at the end of the month.
RE: RE: Just to shed some light on the surgery....  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15715070 Ivan15 said:
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He had a knee scope and will be good to go by camp. That tells me that he had a scope and they shaved part of his meniscus. If it was repairable, he'd be out MUCH longer. The fact that it's scoped and his return is soon(Marshall faulk once played a game in 2 weeks after a scope) tells me that they are just cleaning it up. That's both good and bad.

Its good that its a very quick recovery and it shouldn't really hinder him at all. Its bad long term for Toney as it will probably cause some issues for him much later on(many years from now).



I guess the good news is that he already had the surgery and he is working out. I had arthroscopic surgery for a meniscus tear and the doc said basically that it would be a 7 week rehab. I thought that was a pretty minor procedure but I don’t know how different “shaving” the meniscus would be.

P.S. At the end of 7 weeks, the doc told me he was retiring at the end of the month.


Yeah that's about right for a pedestrian like us. These guys have trainers and round the clock therapy and guidance. I mentioned it earlier, but Marshall Faulk played in a game 2 weeks later. I'd guess for a pro athlete, 4-5 weeks until he's back making cuts and stuff.
RE: According to Pat Leonard....  
jhibb : 5/21/2022 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15714963 No Where Man said:
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That should mean another team's start of training camp.


Ha! Seriously.
RE: So,  
Named Later : 5/21/2022 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15715028 Gman11 said:
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let's get it all straight.

Toney is bad in the meeting rooms despite what the coaches say.

Plus, he has his head up his ass because he gets injured a lot.



I didn't say anything about his meeting room behavior.

I recalled some of his antics last year. Showed up to his first camp late, and then practiced barefoot because of some shoe problem....way to impress your new coaches. Played sporadically early in the season. Put together a decent game against Dallas, but managed to get himself ejected for fighting, with his team getting blown-out......where's his head again?? Played small against KC, while his team lost by only 3 points. Missed a month of games in December, averaged under 10 yards a catch.

You can call that whatever you want to, but I have my own opinion of it.
I think Toney and Jones get a bit to much crap  
NY-Fan : 5/21/2022 2:23 pm : link
Yes KT was injured and out a lot last year and it didn’t help. Plus he came in with everyone questioning his love for the game as well. The thing is, most people are already writing him off. The kid showed something when he did play last year. I’m not ready to write him off just yet. New offense, new coaching staff and a new season could be just what he needs. Many athletes get off to a rough start and turn out just fine.

As far as Jones, I don’t think he has played that well, but for what he has had missing around him I can see why he could struggle. I can remember Eli the first 3 years and he had his rough outings as well but had far more talent around him and a better offensive system. I am excited to see Jones in this system and hopefully he & the pieces around him can stay on the field.

Neither player may work out but I think this year with a new staff and system they could. I think we should be willing to see before writing them off. If you get the same results this year well we have are answer about them.
Ok “Spicey” twerp YOU  
Dave on the UWS : 5/21/2022 2:28 pm : link
asked for it . Across g like you’re the ultimate authority and that your opinion is fact is “no way to go through life son”.
Leonard makes up stuff and embellished ALL the time.
THIS coaching f staff has been happy with Toney so far. But we should ignore what THEY say because you can’t believe what anyone says but we should listen to you?? Who does and made you the ultimate authority? Schmuck.
Where is this 'KT is a problem in the film room'  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 2:28 pm : link
stuff coming from? Did I miss something?
This is the only speculative report saying KT  
Kev in Cali : 5/21/2022 3:02 pm : link
is struggling in the study department. I haven't found much else.

"It is worth acknowledging that the reports of issues with playbook study and poor meeting behavior are exactly that, reports, as the Giants have not publicly shared these complaints about Toney. Although the issues could be true, they also could be exaggerated to justify the trade to the New York fanbase with this information leaking."

It could be smoke....to not publicly say he sucks as a student of the game.

Injuries aside, I wonder if he really isn't all that he's cracked up to be....I mean, he's shown no positive interaction with the team in how long?
I wonder about KT - ( New Window )
And honestly, what team faculty/staff is going to publicly say...  
Kev in Cali : 5/21/2022 3:09 pm : link
that he sucks as a learner at this stage of the game....Or that his work ethic is poor, and often injured.

They won't.

So the "reports" are probably coming from other teammates and off the record.

Quit  
Toth029 : 5/21/2022 3:09 pm : link
Quoting Pat Leonard articles.

Reflect on what I just said.
Thats so dumb.  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 3:13 pm : link
If he was poor in the meeting room, why wouldn't coaches say that? In fact, they def would. What you wrote makes no sense and you link a BS article.
Both  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2022 3:30 pm : link
coaching staffs - unsolicited - volunteered in 2021 and now this spring that Toney is an excellent classroom student. They weren't asked that, they volunteered it.

Toney was behind - not because he couldn't learn - but because (1) he wasn't there, and (2) when he finally did show up in the summer, he couldn't practice.

You can bad-mouth Toney about a lot of things, but this talk about him not being classroom smart is completely opposite of what two coaching staffs have said.
I remember the good old days  
UConn4523 : 5/21/2022 3:58 pm : link
when an injured player would cause fans to rally around him and root for his return. Now we are blessed with people listing out all the things they don’t like about the player. Very strange.
...  
christian : 5/21/2022 4:03 pm : link
Every coach at every level from high school up to this staff has raved about his football IQ.

That's a brain dead observation by one of this site's least entertaining posters.
RE: ...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15715173 christian said:
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Every coach at every level from high school up to this staff has raved about his football IQ.

That's a brain dead observation by one of this site's least entertaining posters.


Yeah, but it only takes one guy and it becomes a "thing" because someone said it.
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 5/21/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15715179 Eric from BBI said:
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That's a brain dead observation by one of this site's least entertaining posters.

Yeah, but it only takes one guy and it becomes a "thing" because someone said it.


Indeed. Stupid statements like that deserve to be corrected.

There's a lot to be suspect of with Toney, but his football IQ and classroom work is not among that list.
I’ve been hard in Toney for obvious reasons  
UberAlias : 5/21/2022 4:30 pm : link
But he’s a talented player and it’s pretty clear Schoen likes him. The funny thing is, he talked specifically about how bad information makes his life miserable because he has to deal with it with the player and agent. Hence the reflect on what I said comment.
If DJ moves on after this season...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 4:32 pm : link
I think Kadarius grabs the 'Most polarizing player on the Giants' title. By a mile.
Eric, while I don’t always agree with your perspective  
Giant John : 5/21/2022 4:49 pm : link
I believe you do a great and I thank you.
Forgot the word “job”  
Giant John : 5/21/2022 4:50 pm : link
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It would help if some of that strong football IQ  
Jimmy Googs : 5/21/2022 5:09 pm : link
filtered into his regular IQ...
Was a bad omen…..  
thrunthrublue : 5/21/2022 5:34 pm : link
When he sprained ligaments in his hand, signing the contract…..
RE: It would help if some of that strong football IQ  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/21/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15715249 Jimmy Googs said:
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filtered into his regular IQ...


I'm curious why you think he has a low IQ.
The only issue with  
darren in pdx : 5/21/2022 5:40 pm : link
Toney for me is his availability on the field. He has shown flashes of brilliance in the short time he was on the field as a rookie who is still learning the position. The off the field stuff hasn't bothered me, he seems to be a bit immature but not necessarily a bad person.
RE: RE: It would help if some of that strong football IQ  
Bill in UT : 5/21/2022 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15715268 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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filtered into his regular IQ...



I'm curious why you think he has a low IQ.


I don't think he meant it literally. I think he just meant that Toney seems to act in a non-productive way. Not that he's stupid, just that he acts stupidly.
RE: RE: It would help if some of that strong football IQ  
Jimmy Googs : 5/21/2022 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15715268 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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filtered into his regular IQ...



I'm curious why you think he has a low IQ.


Poor judgment, questionable choices

If he has a high IQ than something has been suppressing it...
Wonder what KT’s first TD dance will look like  
SleepyOwl : 5/21/2022 6:51 pm : link
What's KT's wonderlic score?  
Kev in Cali : 5/21/2022 7:08 pm : link
Doesn't mean he's smart, but could mean he's smart about how to play football?

Maybe he's dumb as shit........

Gotta figure out what motivates a person to play football at this level.
RE: I remember the good old days  
Ben in Tampa : 5/21/2022 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15715171 UConn4523 said:
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when an injured player would cause fans to rally around him and root for his return. Now we are blessed with people listing out all the things they don’t like about the player. Very strange.


It can’t be understated how toxic the Giants fanbase has become in the last decade.

RE: RE: I remember the good old days  
Kev in Cali : 5/21/2022 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15715323 Ben in Tampa said:
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when an injured player would cause fans to rally around him and root for his return. Now we are blessed with people listing out all the things they don’t like about the player. Very strange.



It can’t be understated how toxic the Giants fanbase has become in the last decade.


I remember going to a few games in the mid-late 90's. Brown/Graham/Kanell hahaha....They were toxic back then too, lol.
RE: He barely played at all last year  
Adirondack GMen : 5/21/2022 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15715049 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and still found a way to get several injures in less than a calendar year.

Dude is made of cheap glass.

Bet his wallet is strong!
Giants fans were screaming  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/21/2022 8:08 pm : link
for rookie OBJ to hurry up and heal faster when he was hurt in camp. And he did!
Some shockingly dumb comments in here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2022 9:42 pm : link
.
RE: Part  
Racer : 5/21/2022 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15715020 Eric from BBI said:
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of the obligation of being a well-informed fan of any team is to actually do some research and pay attention.

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Most of the bozo posters don't even read the game reviews that Sy does for our benefit. Disgusting.
RE: OK I am going to assume not everyone is an adult  
Brandon Walsh : 5/22/2022 12:26 am : link
In comment 15715038 Spiciest Memelord said:
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so I will dole out this life lesson. Never listen to what people say, like ever, only go by people's actions.


Just admit you’re either a fucking moron? or a loserr troll that has nothing better to do on their Saturday afternoon than try to piss off an internet message board?
I have a feeling that this  
section125 : 5/22/2022 9:07 am : link
regime will find out if Toney is worth it or not. I think Daboll will be able to push the right buttons to motivate Toney in the right direction - or find out that he will not respond positively. Parcells could do that.

BTW, I do not remember two gun incidents, just the air rifle one which Toney's old man took care of in one night and that problem never returned. And, FWIW, what he did was not illegal - though it was not smart in the least.

Most people mature at different ages. One thing, I do not remember Toney being a problem off the field since he was drafted. Yes, he was tossed for throwing a punch, but it was in response to a cheap shot/late hit. He knew he made a mistake in letting his temper get to him and said so after the game.

I am pretty certain, Schoen and Daboll will cut bait quickly if they do not like what they see this summer.
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joeinpa : 5/22/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15715079 Named Later said:
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let's get it all straight.

Toney is bad in the meeting rooms despite what the coaches say.

Plus, he has his head up his ass because he gets injured a lot.





I didn't say anything about his meeting room behavior.

I recalled some of his antics last year. Showed up to his first camp late, and then practiced barefoot because of some shoe problem....way to impress your new coaches. Played sporadically early in the season. Put together a decent game against Dallas, but managed to get himself ejected for fighting, with his team getting blown-out......where's his head again?? Played small against KC, while his team lost by only 3 points. Missed a month of games in December, averaged under 10 yards a catch.

You can call that whatever you want to, but I have my own opinion of it.


A stronger coaching staff would have handled and eliminated some of the things you mention
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joeinpa : 5/22/2022 10:11 am : link
In comment 15715323 Ben in Tampa said:
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In comment 15715171 UConn4523 said:


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when an injured player would cause fans to rally around him and root for his return. Now we are blessed with people listing out all the things they don’t like about the player. Very strange.



It can’t be understated how toxic the Giants fanbase has become in the last decade.


Some to the point they seem allergic to any optimism or optimist
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chick310 : 5/22/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15715514 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15715171 UConn4523 said:


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when an injured player would cause fans to rally around him and root for his return. Now we are blessed with people listing out all the things they don’t like about the player. Very strange.



It can’t be understated how toxic the Giants fanbase has become in the last decade.




Some to the point they seem allergic to any optimism or optimist


Plenty of optimism each year. Starting each season 0-2 quickly douses it though.

The Giants performance this past decade has actually created a growing band of realists. No allergy pill needed.

RE: I have a feeling that this  
Bill in UT : 5/22/2022 10:29 am : link
In comment 15715487 section125 said:
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I am pretty certain, Schoen and Daboll will cut bait quickly if they do not like what they see this summer.


I can't complain about Toney's play on the field. The problem is injuries and there's probably nothing you can do about that. Especially not the Giants.
What I'd like to know is...  
Klaatu : 5/22/2022 11:06 am : link
How come a guy who calls himself a "memelord" never posts any memes? What's up with that?

Anyway, no one has been more critical of Toney than I've been, however, there's no denying that he's talented, and I'm sure Daboll and Kafka plan on exploiting his talents as long as he's here and he's healthy.
Unfortunately, I think for most,  
colin : 5/22/2022 11:29 am : link
Toney’s most egregious errors are simply that he’s not Devonta Smith or Micah Parsons. Or that he’s a rapper. Or that he seemed like a panic pick.

Injuries suck, there’s been a few weird moments that could be painted as a “pattern of behavior,” but I think some fans just may never like him because of those first three. Kinda in the same way Eli never got past spurning the Chargers, or not being his brother, in some fans eyes.

We’re a fickle bunch, us fans. We make snap judgements on players and spend most of their career using bits and piece of info, leaked, well sourced or not, trying to support that narrative. Trying to make ourselves “right,” instead of appreciating the player. I know I do it too. Honestly, I did it with Toney for a while myself. I think Toney got a raw deal in a lot of fans eyes.

He’s an A+ talent who’s been hurt. Everything else is pretty much just hearsay, combined with a little bit of peculiar.
A human joystick  
mittenedman : 5/22/2022 11:32 am : link
that gets a knee injury is a pretty big deal IMO. You take the special agility out of his game and there's not much to get excited about. Hopefully there is no loss in ability but maybe that explains the Wan'dale pick a little better.

Gadget player is hugely important in Daboll's scheme, and they have little confidence in Toney.
RE: A human joystick  
UConn4523 : 5/22/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15715561 mittenedman said:
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that gets a knee injury is a pretty big deal IMO. You take the special agility out of his game and there's not much to get excited about. Hopefully there is no loss in ability but maybe that explains the Wan'dale pick a little better.

Gadget player is hugely important in Daboll's scheme, and they have little confidence in Toney.


Completely made up take on what the Giants think. Basically ignores everything Schoen and Daboll have said to date. I guess they can be lying, but that’s some long con theyve got going on then.
Why so sensitive?  
mittenedman : 5/22/2022 11:42 am : link
This is the reality that provides intel to the decisions that were made. I didn't make anything up. It's a timeline.

I realize they made positive comments about having them both, and it's not like it isn't true. It's nice to have both. But c'mon. There was also smoke they were trying to trade Toney. I'd keep an open mind about this, and digest public comments with a grain of salt.
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