|
|
Quote: |
Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN Giants wide receiver Kadarius Toney had a minor arthroscopic knee procedure, sources say, which is why he’s been in a red jersey on the side at spring OTA practices. But he is expected to be fine and ready for training camp |
I'm hypothesizing based on the information we were given.
“There was some internal momentum for bailing on Toney during his tumultuous rookie season a year ago. His commitment came into question behind the scenes during his rookie year due to lack of playbook study, poor meeting behavior and frequent injuries.”
Quoting Pat Leonard is no way to go through life.
If you don’t feed the troll he will wander off eventually.
Quote:
In comment 15715000 Toth029 said:
Quote:
Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.
As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.
It's been reported he's a negative in the meeting rooms too...
Where'd you read that? CNN?
Show me this article because I haven't heard this one yet.
I believe Tucker Carlson broke the story.
Its good that its a very quick recovery and it shouldn't really hinder him at all. Its bad long term for Toney as it will probably cause some issues for him much later on(many years from now).
I guess the good news is that he already had the surgery and he is working out. I had arthroscopic surgery for a meniscus tear and the doc said basically that it would be a 7 week rehab. I thought that was a pretty minor procedure but I don’t know how different “shaving” the meniscus would be.
P.S. At the end of 7 weeks, the doc told me he was retiring at the end of the month.
Quote:
He had a knee scope and will be good to go by camp. That tells me that he had a scope and they shaved part of his meniscus. If it was repairable, he'd be out MUCH longer. The fact that it's scoped and his return is soon(Marshall faulk once played a game in 2 weeks after a scope) tells me that they are just cleaning it up. That's both good and bad.
Its good that its a very quick recovery and it shouldn't really hinder him at all. Its bad long term for Toney as it will probably cause some issues for him much later on(many years from now).
I guess the good news is that he already had the surgery and he is working out. I had arthroscopic surgery for a meniscus tear and the doc said basically that it would be a 7 week rehab. I thought that was a pretty minor procedure but I don’t know how different “shaving” the meniscus would be.
P.S. At the end of 7 weeks, the doc told me he was retiring at the end of the month.
Yeah that's about right for a pedestrian like us. These guys have trainers and round the clock therapy and guidance. I mentioned it earlier, but Marshall Faulk played in a game 2 weeks later. I'd guess for a pro athlete, 4-5 weeks until he's back making cuts and stuff.
Ha! Seriously.
Toney is bad in the meeting rooms despite what the coaches say.
Plus, he has his head up his ass because he gets injured a lot.
I didn't say anything about his meeting room behavior.
I recalled some of his antics last year. Showed up to his first camp late, and then practiced barefoot because of some shoe problem....way to impress your new coaches. Played sporadically early in the season. Put together a decent game against Dallas, but managed to get himself ejected for fighting, with his team getting blown-out......where's his head again?? Played small against KC, while his team lost by only 3 points. Missed a month of games in December, averaged under 10 yards a catch.
You can call that whatever you want to, but I have my own opinion of it.
As far as Jones, I don’t think he has played that well, but for what he has had missing around him I can see why he could struggle. I can remember Eli the first 3 years and he had his rough outings as well but had far more talent around him and a better offensive system. I am excited to see Jones in this system and hopefully he & the pieces around him can stay on the field.
Neither player may work out but I think this year with a new staff and system they could. I think we should be willing to see before writing them off. If you get the same results this year well we have are answer about them.
Leonard makes up stuff and embellished ALL the time.
THIS coaching f staff has been happy with Toney so far. But we should ignore what THEY say because you can’t believe what anyone says but we should listen to you?? Who does and made you the ultimate authority? Schmuck.
"It is worth acknowledging that the reports of issues with playbook study and poor meeting behavior are exactly that, reports, as the Giants have not publicly shared these complaints about Toney. Although the issues could be true, they also could be exaggerated to justify the trade to the New York fanbase with this information leaking."
It could be smoke....to not publicly say he sucks as a student of the game.
Injuries aside, I wonder if he really isn't all that he's cracked up to be....I mean, he's shown no positive interaction with the team in how long?
I wonder about KT - ( New Window )
They won't.
So the "reports" are probably coming from other teammates and off the record.
Reflect on what I just said.
Toney was behind - not because he couldn't learn - but because (1) he wasn't there, and (2) when he finally did show up in the summer, he couldn't practice.
You can bad-mouth Toney about a lot of things, but this talk about him not being classroom smart is completely opposite of what two coaching staffs have said.
That's a brain dead observation by one of this site's least entertaining posters.
That's a brain dead observation by one of this site's least entertaining posters.
Yeah, but it only takes one guy and it becomes a "thing" because someone said it.
Yeah, but it only takes one guy and it becomes a "thing" because someone said it.
Indeed. Stupid statements like that deserve to be corrected.
There's a lot to be suspect of with Toney, but his football IQ and classroom work is not among that list.
I'm curious why you think he has a low IQ.
Quote:
filtered into his regular IQ...
I'm curious why you think he has a low IQ.
I don't think he meant it literally. I think he just meant that Toney seems to act in a non-productive way. Not that he's stupid, just that he acts stupidly.
Quote:
filtered into his regular IQ...
I'm curious why you think he has a low IQ.
Poor judgment, questionable choices
If he has a high IQ than something has been suppressing it...
Maybe he's dumb as shit........
Gotta figure out what motivates a person to play football at this level.
It can’t be understated how toxic the Giants fanbase has become in the last decade.
Quote:
when an injured player would cause fans to rally around him and root for his return. Now we are blessed with people listing out all the things they don’t like about the player. Very strange.
It can’t be understated how toxic the Giants fanbase has become in the last decade.
I remember going to a few games in the mid-late 90's. Brown/Graham/Kanell hahaha....They were toxic back then too, lol.
Dude is made of cheap glass.
Bet his wallet is strong!
********
Most of the bozo posters don't even read the game reviews that Sy does for our benefit. Disgusting.
Just admit you’re either a fucking moron? or a loserr troll that has nothing better to do on their Saturday afternoon than try to piss off an internet message board?
BTW, I do not remember two gun incidents, just the air rifle one which Toney's old man took care of in one night and that problem never returned. And, FWIW, what he did was not illegal - though it was not smart in the least.
Most people mature at different ages. One thing, I do not remember Toney being a problem off the field since he was drafted. Yes, he was tossed for throwing a punch, but it was in response to a cheap shot/late hit. He knew he made a mistake in letting his temper get to him and said so after the game.
I am pretty certain, Schoen and Daboll will cut bait quickly if they do not like what they see this summer.
Quote:
let's get it all straight.
Toney is bad in the meeting rooms despite what the coaches say.
Plus, he has his head up his ass because he gets injured a lot.
I didn't say anything about his meeting room behavior.
I recalled some of his antics last year. Showed up to his first camp late, and then practiced barefoot because of some shoe problem....way to impress your new coaches. Played sporadically early in the season. Put together a decent game against Dallas, but managed to get himself ejected for fighting, with his team getting blown-out......where's his head again?? Played small against KC, while his team lost by only 3 points. Missed a month of games in December, averaged under 10 yards a catch.
You can call that whatever you want to, but I have my own opinion of it.
A stronger coaching staff would have handled and eliminated some of the things you mention
Quote:
when an injured player would cause fans to rally around him and root for his return. Now we are blessed with people listing out all the things they don’t like about the player. Very strange.
It can’t be understated how toxic the Giants fanbase has become in the last decade.
Some to the point they seem allergic to any optimism or optimist
Quote:
In comment 15715171 UConn4523 said:
Quote:
when an injured player would cause fans to rally around him and root for his return. Now we are blessed with people listing out all the things they don’t like about the player. Very strange.
It can’t be understated how toxic the Giants fanbase has become in the last decade.
Some to the point they seem allergic to any optimism or optimist
Plenty of optimism each year. Starting each season 0-2 quickly douses it though.
The Giants performance this past decade has actually created a growing band of realists. No allergy pill needed.
I am pretty certain, Schoen and Daboll will cut bait quickly if they do not like what they see this summer.
I can't complain about Toney's play on the field. The problem is injuries and there's probably nothing you can do about that. Especially not the Giants.
Anyway, no one has been more critical of Toney than I've been, however, there's no denying that he's talented, and I'm sure Daboll and Kafka plan on exploiting his talents as long as he's here and he's healthy.
Injuries suck, there’s been a few weird moments that could be painted as a “pattern of behavior,” but I think some fans just may never like him because of those first three. Kinda in the same way Eli never got past spurning the Chargers, or not being his brother, in some fans eyes.
We’re a fickle bunch, us fans. We make snap judgements on players and spend most of their career using bits and piece of info, leaked, well sourced or not, trying to support that narrative. Trying to make ourselves “right,” instead of appreciating the player. I know I do it too. Honestly, I did it with Toney for a while myself. I think Toney got a raw deal in a lot of fans eyes.
He’s an A+ talent who’s been hurt. Everything else is pretty much just hearsay, combined with a little bit of peculiar.
Gadget player is hugely important in Daboll's scheme, and they have little confidence in Toney.
Gadget player is hugely important in Daboll's scheme, and they have little confidence in Toney.
Completely made up take on what the Giants think. Basically ignores everything Schoen and Daboll have said to date. I guess they can be lying, but that’s some long con theyve got going on then.
I realize they made positive comments about having them both, and it's not like it isn't true. It's nice to have both. But c'mon. There was also smoke they were trying to trade Toney. I'd keep an open mind about this, and digest public comments with a grain of salt.