for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

According to P Leonard - WR K Toney had minor knee surgery

gidiefor : Mod : 5/21/2022 11:13 am
Quote:
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Giants wide receiver Kadarius Toney had a minor arthroscopic knee procedure, sources say, which is why he’s been in a red jersey on the side at spring OTA practices. But he is expected to be fine and ready for training camp


Link - ( New Window )
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
Good that'll be ready for training camp...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 11:15 am : link
But Good Lord, this dude is injured all the fucking time seemingly.
According to Pat Leonard....  
No Where Man : 5/21/2022 11:21 am : link
That should mean another team's start of training camp.
As far as I can tell  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2022 11:24 am : link
knee was not one of the listed injuries he had last year.

I found...hamstring, ankle, thumb, quad, oblique, and shoulder injuries.
He  
AcidTest : 5/21/2022 11:29 am : link
has tons of talent, but as others have said, the most important quality is availability.
RE: Good that'll be ready for training camp...  
Maijay : 5/21/2022 11:31 am : link
In comment 15714959 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
But Good Lord, this dude is injured all the fucking time seemingly.

Maybe that makes the Wan'Dale Robinson pick more understandable .
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2022 11:32 am : link
"good" news is as least we know he isn't milking something.
Eric.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 11:34 am : link
& that he's in NJ.
Couldn’t be  
BillT : 5/21/2022 11:37 am : link
A NY Giant compromised by injury? Got to be a first.
We don't know what we don't know  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2022 11:43 am : link
but that doesn't stop people from accusing players of milking it or dogging it.
I’m not surprised  
mattlawson : 5/21/2022 11:44 am : link
Kid has video game moves his knees have to be tender
RE: We don't know what we don't know  
Scuzzlebutt : 5/21/2022 11:48 am : link
In comment 15714979 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
but that doesn't stop people from accusing players of milking it or dogging it.


True, but what we do know is he barely played last year, was hurt frequently in college, and is currently on the sidelines again… and he also didn’t initially show up for voluntary OTAs, which tends to indicate a lack of commitment to football and his team. Everything else is speculation.
Maybe  
Andy in Boston : 5/21/2022 11:49 am : link
It’s why he ‘missed” voluntary workouts 2 months ago.
Just to shed some light on the surgery....  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 11:58 am : link
He had a knee scope and will be good to go by camp. That tells me that he had a scope and they shaved part of his meniscus. If it was repairable, he'd be out MUCH longer. The fact that it's scoped and his return is soon(Marshall faulk once played a game in 2 weeks after a scope) tells me that they are just cleaning it up. That's both good and bad.

Its good that its a very quick recovery and it shouldn't really hinder him at all. Its bad long term for Toney as it will probably cause some issues for him much later on(many years from now).
Say what you want  
kelly : 5/21/2022 12:06 pm : link
I have no faith in Toney being a significant contributor.

Health, head etc

Hope I am wrong.
RE: RE: We don't know what we don't know  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/21/2022 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15714988 Scuzzlebutt said:
Quote:
In comment 15714979 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


but that doesn't stop people from accusing players of milking it or dogging it.



True, but what we do know is he barely played last year, was hurt frequently in college, and is currently on the sidelines again… and he also didn’t initially show up for voluntary OTAs, which tends to indicate a lack of commitment to football and his team. Everything else is speculation.


Two firearm incidents. Doesn't like or know much about football. Played basically one season in college. The bbi in real time year long cognitive dissonance stream of consciousness is hilarious.
He  
Toth029 : 5/21/2022 12:12 pm : link
Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.

As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.
RE: He  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/21/2022 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15715000 Toth029 said:
Quote:
Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.

As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.


It's been reported he's a negative in the meeting rooms too...
RE: RE: He  
RicFlair : 5/21/2022 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15715001 Spiciest Memelord said:
Quote:
In comment 15715000 Toth029 said:


Quote:


Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.

As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.



It's been reported he's a negative in the meeting rooms too...



Link to the report?
RE: RE: He  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15715001 Spiciest Memelord said:
Quote:
In comment 15715000 Toth029 said:


Quote:


Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.

As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.



It's been reported he's a negative in the meeting rooms too...


Where'd you read that? CNN?

Show me this article because I haven't heard this one yet.
RE: RE: He  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2022 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15715001 Spiciest Memelord said:
Quote:
In comment 15715000 Toth029 said:


Quote:


Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.

As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.



It's been reported he's a negative in the meeting rooms too...


The head coach and WR's coach LITERALLY said the OPPOSITE yesterday.
..  
Named Later : 5/21/2022 12:31 pm : link
This kid is lacking one key ability -- Availability.

I think he needs a Cranio-Rectum-Ectomy. He needs to get his head out of his ass.
RE: Say what you want  
Milton : 5/21/2022 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15714995 kelly said:
Quote:
I have no faith in Toney being a significant contributor.

Health, head etc

Hope I am wrong.
In some ways he's the proverbial boom or bust. He has gamebreaking talent, but pick your poison between his history of injuries and his apparent lack of focus on football: he's not a guy you want to build a chunk of your offense around (which I think played into the selection of Wan'Dale (a weapon in his own right, but also insurance against Toney's unreliability).
RE: RE: He  
Brown_Hornet : 5/21/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15715001 Spiciest Memelord said:
Quote:
In comment 15715000 Toth029 said:


Quote:


Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.

As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.



It's been reported he's a negative in the meeting rooms too...
10 to 1 you just made that up.
Part  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2022 12:48 pm : link
of the obligation of being a well-informed fan of any team is to actually do some research and pay attention. To the best of my ability, I try to help fans do that.

********

Q. What's been your impression of Kadarius Toney so far and what he can bring to your offense?

MIKE KAFKA: Yeah, he's been really attentive in meetings. He's doing all the right things on and off the field. I love his personality. He's one of those guys that brings a smile to the room. He has a bright personality. He's been great to work with.
lol  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 12:49 pm : link
will we get a retraction from this guy?
start at 7:30 mark  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/21/2022 12:52 pm : link
....
Offensive Assistants Speak from OTAs | New York Giants - ( New Window )
So,  
Gman11 : 5/21/2022 12:59 pm : link
let's get it all straight.

Toney is bad in the meeting rooms despite what the coaches say.

Plus, he has his head up his ass because he gets injured a lot.

What else?
Coaches blow smoke all the time  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/21/2022 1:02 pm : link
hopefully they are not genuinely fooling themselves too...

Oh did I forget to mention the punching and ejection? https://twitter.com/i/status/1447344277827297287


Also some people might want to research something called aa "search engine" to look up old news, like altavista or ask jeeves are good I heard.

RE: Coaches blow smoke all the time  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15715031 Spiciest Memelord said:
Quote:
hopefully they are not genuinely fooling themselves too...

Oh did I forget to mention the punching and ejection? https://twitter.com/i/status/1447344277827297287


Also some people might want to research something called aa "search engine" to look up old news, like altavista or ask jeeves are good I heard.


Ok, so to clarify....

You claimed that it's been "reported" that he's a problem in meeting rooms, but then there is a "report" that quotes a coach saying he's a pleasure in meeting rooms and your response is that coaches lie all the time. Do I have that right?
OK I am going to assume not everyone is an adult  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/21/2022 1:10 pm : link
so I will dole out this life lesson. Never listen to what people say, like ever, only go by people's actions.
OK since this will be a fun little game  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/21/2022 1:14 pm : link
Who said this, does anyone need a hint? XD

“There was some internal momentum for bailing on Toney during his tumultuous rookie season a year ago. His commitment came into question behind the scenes during his rookie year due to lack of playbook study, poor meeting behavior and frequent injuries.”
whew, good to know  
Bill in UT : 5/21/2022 1:16 pm : link
he's injured again and not dogging it
He barely played at all last year  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/21/2022 1:17 pm : link
and still found a way to get several injures in less than a calendar year.

Dude is made of cheap glass.
 
christian : 5/21/2022 1:20 pm : link
Where was it reported he had his meniscus cartilage trimmed?
Ok for real  
Toth029 : 5/21/2022 1:23 pm : link
Is this guy Pat Leonard?
RE: …  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15715051 christian said:
Quote:
Where was it reported he had his meniscus cartilage trimmed?


I'm hypothesizing based on the information we were given.
RE: OK since this will be a fun little game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/21/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15715045 Spiciest Memelord said:
Quote:
Who said this, does anyone need a hint? XD

“There was some internal momentum for bailing on Toney during his tumultuous rookie season a year ago. His commitment came into question behind the scenes during his rookie year due to lack of playbook study, poor meeting behavior and frequent injuries.”


Quoting Pat Leonard is no way to go through life.
Why are people trying to have an intelligent conversation  
Mike from Ohio : 5/21/2022 1:33 pm : link
with memelord? He is a BBI Kardashian…he needs to be outrageous so someone will pay attention to him. He isn’t trying to be serious or be taken seriously.

If you don’t feed the troll he will wander off eventually.
RE: RE: RE: He  
SirLoinOfBeef : 5/21/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15715007 Kmed6000 said:
Quote:
In comment 15715001 Spiciest Memelord said:


Quote:


In comment 15715000 Toth029 said:


Quote:


Was moving around it appeared with Shepard doing some drills in the last OTA.

As long as he's there for camp, it's fine. He's shown up and is in the classroom which is what Daboll wanted.



It's been reported he's a negative in the meeting rooms too...



Where'd you read that? CNN?

Show me this article because I haven't heard this one yet.


I believe Tucker Carlson broke the story.
RE: Just to shed some light on the surgery....  
Ivan15 : 5/21/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15714991 Kmed6000 said:
Quote:
He had a knee scope and will be good to go by camp. That tells me that he had a scope and they shaved part of his meniscus. If it was repairable, he'd be out MUCH longer. The fact that it's scoped and his return is soon(Marshall faulk once played a game in 2 weeks after a scope) tells me that they are just cleaning it up. That's both good and bad.

Its good that its a very quick recovery and it shouldn't really hinder him at all. Its bad long term for Toney as it will probably cause some issues for him much later on(many years from now).


I guess the good news is that he already had the surgery and he is working out. I had arthroscopic surgery for a meniscus tear and the doc said basically that it would be a 7 week rehab. I thought that was a pretty minor procedure but I don’t know how different “shaving” the meniscus would be.

P.S. At the end of 7 weeks, the doc told me he was retiring at the end of the month.
RE: RE: Just to shed some light on the surgery....  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15715070 Ivan15 said:
Quote:
In comment 15714991 Kmed6000 said:


Quote:


He had a knee scope and will be good to go by camp. That tells me that he had a scope and they shaved part of his meniscus. If it was repairable, he'd be out MUCH longer. The fact that it's scoped and his return is soon(Marshall faulk once played a game in 2 weeks after a scope) tells me that they are just cleaning it up. That's both good and bad.

Its good that its a very quick recovery and it shouldn't really hinder him at all. Its bad long term for Toney as it will probably cause some issues for him much later on(many years from now).



I guess the good news is that he already had the surgery and he is working out. I had arthroscopic surgery for a meniscus tear and the doc said basically that it would be a 7 week rehab. I thought that was a pretty minor procedure but I don’t know how different “shaving” the meniscus would be.

P.S. At the end of 7 weeks, the doc told me he was retiring at the end of the month.


Yeah that's about right for a pedestrian like us. These guys have trainers and round the clock therapy and guidance. I mentioned it earlier, but Marshall Faulk played in a game 2 weeks later. I'd guess for a pro athlete, 4-5 weeks until he's back making cuts and stuff.
RE: According to Pat Leonard....  
jhibb : 5/21/2022 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15714963 No Where Man said:
Quote:
That should mean another team's start of training camp.


Ha! Seriously.
RE: So,  
Named Later : 5/21/2022 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15715028 Gman11 said:
Quote:
let's get it all straight.

Toney is bad in the meeting rooms despite what the coaches say.

Plus, he has his head up his ass because he gets injured a lot.



I didn't say anything about his meeting room behavior.

I recalled some of his antics last year. Showed up to his first camp late, and then practiced barefoot because of some shoe problem....way to impress your new coaches. Played sporadically early in the season. Put together a decent game against Dallas, but managed to get himself ejected for fighting, with his team getting blown-out......where's his head again?? Played small against KC, while his team lost by only 3 points. Missed a month of games in December, averaged under 10 yards a catch.

You can call that whatever you want to, but I have my own opinion of it.
I think Toney and Jones get a bit to much crap  
NY-Fan : 5/21/2022 2:23 pm : link
Yes KT was injured and out a lot last year and it didn’t help. Plus he came in with everyone questioning his love for the game as well. The thing is, most people are already writing him off. The kid showed something when he did play last year. I’m not ready to write him off just yet. New offense, new coaching staff and a new season could be just what he needs. Many athletes get off to a rough start and turn out just fine.

As far as Jones, I don’t think he has played that well, but for what he has had missing around him I can see why he could struggle. I can remember Eli the first 3 years and he had his rough outings as well but had far more talent around him and a better offensive system. I am excited to see Jones in this system and hopefully he & the pieces around him can stay on the field.

Neither player may work out but I think this year with a new staff and system they could. I think we should be willing to see before writing them off. If you get the same results this year well we have are answer about them.
Ok “Spicey” twerp YOU  
Dave on the UWS : 5/21/2022 2:28 pm : link
asked for it . Across g like you’re the ultimate authority and that your opinion is fact is “no way to go through life son”.
Leonard makes up stuff and embellished ALL the time.
THIS coaching f staff has been happy with Toney so far. But we should ignore what THEY say because you can’t believe what anyone says but we should listen to you?? Who does and made you the ultimate authority? Schmuck.
Where is this 'KT is a problem in the film room'  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/21/2022 2:28 pm : link
stuff coming from? Did I miss something?
This is the only speculative report saying KT  
Kev in Cali : 5/21/2022 3:02 pm : link
is struggling in the study department. I haven't found much else.

"It is worth acknowledging that the reports of issues with playbook study and poor meeting behavior are exactly that, reports, as the Giants have not publicly shared these complaints about Toney. Although the issues could be true, they also could be exaggerated to justify the trade to the New York fanbase with this information leaking."

It could be smoke....to not publicly say he sucks as a student of the game.

Injuries aside, I wonder if he really isn't all that he's cracked up to be....I mean, he's shown no positive interaction with the team in how long?
I wonder about KT - ( New Window )
And honestly, what team faculty/staff is going to publicly say...  
Kev in Cali : 5/21/2022 3:09 pm : link
that he sucks as a learner at this stage of the game....Or that his work ethic is poor, and often injured.

They won't.

So the "reports" are probably coming from other teammates and off the record.

Quit  
Toth029 : 5/21/2022 3:09 pm : link
Quoting Pat Leonard articles.

Reflect on what I just said.
Thats so dumb.  
Kmed6000 : 5/21/2022 3:13 pm : link
If he was poor in the meeting room, why wouldn't coaches say that? In fact, they def would. What you wrote makes no sense and you link a BS article.
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner