I hope to catch episode one. He really was able to look inside our automatic pilot way of looking at things and question with humor why things are the way they are.
The anti-woke brigade is every bit as boring and insufferable as the wokesters. In pretty sure Carlin would have made fun of both sides. But make no mistake, Carlin was very political, and woke-ism would NOT have been his main focal point.
..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
Well said. Plus I'm tired of the "redefining" of words like woke.
Did you hear his thoughts on issues like abortion and religion? Ol' George would've been canceled alright, and it wouldn't have been the "wokesters" doing it.
RE: Did you guys actually watch the Carlin special?
Did you hear his thoughts on issues like abortion and religion? Ol' George would've been canceled alright, and it wouldn't have been the "wokesters" doing it.
I don't have HBO, but if it's bits from past shows, I've probably seen them before. But there's a huge difference between disagreement and "canceling," as it's known today. It's why many comedians won't perform at colleges anymore. They've become a breeding ground for the "woke," and only major stars like Dave Chappelle have the juice to stand up to the mob.
..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
if this forum had a like button I could not possibly click it enough on this post - well said, Klaatu.
Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
I can think of several groups to which this applies.
My view of Carlin - a smart guy who changed with the times. Started his career wearing a suit like comedians of the day, but then found his stardom as a hippy counterculture guy in the 70s. When that era ended late in the decade/early 80s, he switched to a wordsmith with intelligent "makes you think" routines
But throughout all of it he kept his values, just changed how he talked about them
The term woke wasn't supposed to be thrust into some political movement - it was said among African-Americans as early as the 1930s as a message to be aware of social/political issues that could adversely affect their community. Of course, it got hijacked by folks outside their community and used as a weapon. Kinda like BLM and a host of other things. Long history of that in this country, but maybe my view is "very limited and carefully curated" or something. I don't want to get canceled.
Carlin was a huge student of language – its use and misuse.
I'd love to hear him talk about the dynamics surrounding words and topics like woke, patriots, Black Lives Matter, socialist, cancel, affirmative action, and more. So much messaging and misappropriation, and so little honest discussion and debate. I have a hunch he wouldn't be ignored or out of work, though he wouldn't get many invites to Mar-a-Lago.
RE: Yes, seriously - and I didn't even make the statement.
The term woke wasn't supposed to be thrust into some political movement - it was said among African-Americans as early as the 1930s as a message to be aware of social/political issues that could adversely affect their community. Of course, it got hijacked by folks outside their community and used as a weapon. Kinda like BLM and a host of other things. Long history of that in this country, but maybe my view is "very limited and carefully curated" or something. I don't want to get canceled.
Clearly, it is, although you're in no danger of being canceled because you espouse the "right" view (pun intended).
I notice you failed to refute any point I made, and instead brought up the origin of the word "woke," which I neither mentioned nor care about, to be honest, although I'm quite familiar with it, as I am with, say, the word "feminism," which has come to mean something radically different than it did 50 years ago. You say the word was "hijacked?" I'd say it "evolved," which is not unusual. See the word "liberal" and compare its meaning/usage in the 19th Century and the 20th. The world turned upside down.
Regardless, I care about what "wokesism" has come to mean today, and when put into practice by its devotees, what it means for the country today. It doesn't matter how it began. What matters is what it is now. It's not benign. It's not merely a warning to "keep your head on a swivel," so to speak. It's become a tool of authoritarians in their effort to maintain (and whenever possible to increase)) their societal control.
As Col. Allen West said recently after he had to cancel a speech he was going to give at a college because of the violence caused by protesters who objected to the college giving him a forum to express his opinions, and indeed he needed a police escort to leave the area without becoming a victim of that violence (and here I'm paraphrasing), "75 years ago, the police were mobilized to allow a black man to get into college. Now they're mobilized to allow a black man to get out safely."
This can hardly be called progress. What it can be called is a prime example of "cancel culture," a product of the "woke" ideology that created it.
It's very interesting that you see Carlin quotes popping up
on social media and the like in response to current events. You don't see that a lot with comedy. Comedy typically doesn't age well.
I remember a friend's step dad showing us a Carlin HBO special back in the mid 90s. I was probably 13 or 14. Right around when you start questioning stuff. Then I found out my conservative dad hated him and that was all I needed to dive in headlong.
Been looking forward to watching this but Ive tried starting it 3 times this weekend and I keep getting interrupted. Maybe tonight.
RE: Carlin was a huge student of language – its use and misuse.
I'd love to hear him talk about the dynamics surrounding words and topics like woke, patriots, Black Lives Matter, socialist, cancel, affirmative action, and more. So much messaging and misappropriation, and so little honest discussion and debate. I have a hunch he wouldn't be ignored or out of work, though he wouldn't get many invites to Mar-a-Lago.
I daresay he'd be very welcomed there, since he was an advocate for free speech and a critic of government overreach and corruption (not to mention war).
I doubt he'd be welcomed in Chappaqua, though.
RE: RE: Carlin was a huge student of language – its use and misuse.
I'd love to hear him talk about the dynamics surrounding words and topics like woke, patriots, Black Lives Matter, socialist, cancel, affirmative action, and more. So much messaging and misappropriation, and so little honest discussion and debate. I have a hunch he wouldn't be ignored or out of work, though he wouldn't get many invites to Mar-a-Lago.
I daresay he'd be very welcomed there, since he was an advocate for free speech and a critic of government overreach and corruption (not to mention war).
I doubt he'd be welcomed in Chappaqua, though.
Hmmm. I don't think you should assume what he would or wouldn't lampoon. There is plenty of grist for the mill in both places you mention and he would have a field day with the lies and distortions coming from both left and right. All you are noting is your personal political bent. You aren't reflecting Carlin's interests at all.
you're literally just patting yourself on the back and tossing out thinly veiled attempts to espouse your personal political beliefs.
Funny to hear about "government overreach" when the minority rule in this country is leading to people wanting to literally throw out democracy, and led to the supreme court decision thats about to come this summer.
That ain't government overreach though right? It's only overreach when you don't agree with it.
Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
I can think of several groups to which this applies.
So can I. It required a lot of shitty fucking people doing shitty things to get us to this point in time. It also took the online echo chamber. The “cancel culture” is very dangerous. So are many of the things people are trying to cancel.
It’s a fucking mess. And it’s going to take everyone’s best to get us the fuck out of this mess. If you think things are fine and not in need of change your delusional.
Nothing worse than extremism. It’s going to wreck this country if it hasn’t already.
Bill burr says hello. Alive and well and still doing his thing. So are many other comedians of today.
This is the same comedian who recently said he wants to thin the population by placing herds of people on to cruise ships and sinking them. Not cancelled. Why? Becsuse he isn’t shitting on any particular group or lifestyle even if he does make fun of them.
George Carlin would do just fine today, especially since his beliefs and takes are being romanticized this very moment on Reddit.
Who hilariously pointed out how fucking powerful and “accomplished” the LGBT (hope I got it right) really is? Dude that organized group hasn’t been around for that long yet they fuck people up in no time. He joked that the organized black or Minority entities haven’t gained 10% of the traction that the LGBT group has gained and they have been around for much longer. Paraphrasing of course.
RE: RE: Yes, seriously - and I didn't even make the statement.
As Col. Allen West said recently after he had to cancel a speech he was going to give at a college because of the violence caused by protesters who objected to the college giving him a forum to express his opinions, and indeed he needed a police escort to leave the area without becoming a victim of that violence (and here I'm paraphrasing), "75 years ago, the police were mobilized to allow a black man to get into college. Now they're mobilized to allow a black man to get out safely."
He should chat with a former VP who had gallows assembled for him outside the U.S. Capitol because he was performing a rudimentary function associated with his job. That's one way to cancel somebody.
RE: RE: RE: Yes, seriously - and I didn't even make the statement.
As Col. Allen West said recently after he had to cancel a speech he was going to give at a college because of the violence caused by protesters who objected to the college giving him a forum to express his opinions, and indeed he needed a police escort to leave the area without becoming a victim of that violence (and here I'm paraphrasing), "75 years ago, the police were mobilized to allow a black man to get into college. Now they're mobilized to allow a black man to get out safely."
He should chat with a former VP who had gallows assembled for him outside the U.S. Capitol because he was performing a rudimentary function associated with his job. That's one way to cancel somebody.
Right.. and a former president sought to loosen libel laws to chill free speech, and book burnings are back with us in the South.
..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
if this forum had a like button I could not possibly click it enough on this post - well said, Klaatu.
+2, fantastic post Klaatu.
RE: RE: RE: Carlin was a huge student of language – its use and misuse.
I'd love to hear him talk about the dynamics surrounding words and topics like woke, patriots, Black Lives Matter, socialist, cancel, affirmative action, and more. So much messaging and misappropriation, and so little honest discussion and debate. I have a hunch he wouldn't be ignored or out of work, though he wouldn't get many invites to Mar-a-Lago.
I daresay he'd be very welcomed there, since he was an advocate for free speech and a critic of government overreach and corruption (not to mention war).
I doubt he'd be welcomed in Chappaqua, though.
Hmmm. I don't think you should assume what he would or wouldn't lampoon. There is plenty of grist for the mill in both places you mention and he would have a field day with the lies and distortions coming from both left and right. All you are noting is your personal political bent. You aren't reflecting Carlin's interests at all.
Well said Producer. The hijacking of this thread to push personal political beliefs has been embarrassing although not unexpected.
I haven’t checked out this show but I’ll try to when I’m free. I consider Lenny Bruce, Carlin, and Pryor as the 3 most significant comedians ever. Although comedy is so subjective and relative to era that it’s impossible to compare individuals.
I do think older Carlin was a little hard to listen to when he kind of stopped being all that funny and was just a preacher in a way (hopefully Chappelle doesn’t continue down this path) but younger Carlin stuff is still so funny even 50 years later.
..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
Just...wow?
Your comments are very Tucker-like.
Thanks for the compliment. Great minds and all that.
you're literally just patting yourself on the back and tossing out thinly veiled attempts to espouse your personal political beliefs.
Funny to hear about "government overreach" when the minority rule in this country is leading to people wanting to literally throw out democracy, and led to the supreme court decision thats about to come this summer.
That ain't government overreach though right? It's only overreach when you don't agree with it.
If throwing out democracy means adherence to the Constitution, rejecting the judicial oligarchy we've become and restoring the republic we used to be, then fine...throw it the hell out. The word doesn't even appear in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution because the Founders recognized its inherent dangers and had no use for it.
They also rejected the idea that their new country should be ruled by judicial fiat, and instead opted for a system where the will of the people would be expressed through their elected representatives, initially at the state and local levels, unless and until a national consensus was reached, at which time that will would be made into law by amending the Constitution.
Finally, my personal political beliefs have never been thinly veiled. They've gotten me banned before and might again, but that's a risk I'm willing to take. I'd rather suffer that fate than be cowed into silence, which, for me would be much harder to live with.
..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
+10000%
Carlin was well ahead of his time, WELL ahead. He would have a field day today with the perpetually aggrieved who lead the charge with canceling and censoring everything that they don't like.
of Americans even have Twitter, where supposedly all these “authoritarians” are plotting to ruin America. What percentage of those folks use that platform for political reasons or to “cancel” others? Certainly not all of them, and probably not even half. We’re talking about a tiny but loud fraction of the population that engages in this behavior. If ignored they would mostly go away, but it’s politically advantageous to always have these bogeymen who are gonna lay waste to the republic.
Some of the dramatic language used on this thread to describe a bunch of whiners on social media is hilarious. What’s the crowning achievement of these folks? Getting Roseanne kicked off her show? They wield almost no actual power to influence anything that matters in this country, but are treated like the greatest existential threat we’ve ever faced.
of Americans even have Twitter, where supposedly all these “authoritarians” are plotting to ruin America. What percentage of those folks use that platform for political reasons or to “cancel” others? Certainly not all of them, and probably not even half. We’re talking about a tiny but loud fraction of the population that engages in this behavior. If ignored they would mostly go away, but it’s politically advantageous to always have these bogeymen who are gonna lay waste to the republic.
Some of the dramatic language used on this thread to describe a bunch of whiners on social media is hilarious. What’s the crowning achievement of these folks? Getting Roseanne kicked off her show? They wield almost no actual power to influence anything that matters in this country, but are treated like the greatest existential threat we’ve ever faced.
Elimination of dissenting opinions are a major problem.
just as easily be attributed to points of view on the Right. The content would be (often diametrically) different, but the underlying POV the same: we know, and you don't.
of Americans even have Twitter, where supposedly all these “authoritarians” are plotting to ruin America. What percentage of those folks use that platform for political reasons or to “cancel” others? Certainly not all of them, and probably not even half. We’re talking about a tiny but loud fraction of the population that engages in this behavior. If ignored they would mostly go away, but it’s politically advantageous to always have these bogeymen who are gonna lay waste to the republic.
Some of the dramatic language used on this thread to describe a bunch of whiners on social media is hilarious. What’s the crowning achievement of these folks? Getting Roseanne kicked off her show? They wield almost no actual power to influence anything that matters in this country, but are treated like the greatest existential threat we’ve ever faced.
If you think the worst that cancel culture has led to is Roseannne getting thrown off her show, you need to get your head out of your ass. And I am embarrassed to share the same alma mater as you.
Here's a visual representation of a typical cancel culture warrior...
You wanna be intimidated by such folks, have at it, fellow Eagle. Mr. Carlin wouldn't have given them a second thought - your opinion to the contrary, which launched this tedious back and forth, indicates your head might be lodged up the same orifice.
People have always been criticized for opinions unpopular to the masses - a big difference now (in addition to social media) is a segment of the population that long held the popular opinion suddenly doesn't, and being targets of the wrath is new to them. They don't seem to like it very much, and suddenly it's the end of the world.
The Roseanne comment was an exaggeration to make a point that most of these cancel culture "victories" are short-lived and inconsequential.
Good Bronx kid, went to Cardinal Hayes HS. He really was hilarious. Thanks for posting, just DVR'ed both episodes. Looking forward to watching.
Good Bronx kid, went to Cardinal Hayes HS. He really was hilarious. Thanks for posting, just DVR'ed both episodes. Looking forward to watching.
Ummm you're very wrong
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I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Really? You still don’t understand?
Lol
I did his "Indian Sergeant" routine as a Junior in my High School's annual Declamation Contest. Placed second.
Never heard this one before
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
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..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
Well said. Plus I'm tired of the "redefining" of words like woke.
I don't have HBO, but if it's bits from past shows, I've probably seen them before. But there's a huge difference between disagreement and "canceling," as it's known today. It's why many comedians won't perform at colleges anymore. They've become a breeding ground for the "woke," and only major stars like Dave Chappelle have the juice to stand up to the mob.
And to my earlier post:
Carlin wouldn’t be cancelled just like most comedians today.
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..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
if this forum had a like button I could not possibly click it enough on this post - well said, Klaatu.
I can think of several groups to which this applies.
George throughout his entire life. He always came back bigger and stronger. His legacy only continues to grow. GOAT
But throughout all of it he kept his values, just changed how he talked about them
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
LOL seriously?
Clearly, it is, although you're in no danger of being canceled because you espouse the "right" view (pun intended).
I notice you failed to refute any point I made, and instead brought up the origin of the word "woke," which I neither mentioned nor care about, to be honest, although I'm quite familiar with it, as I am with, say, the word "feminism," which has come to mean something radically different than it did 50 years ago. You say the word was "hijacked?" I'd say it "evolved," which is not unusual. See the word "liberal" and compare its meaning/usage in the 19th Century and the 20th. The world turned upside down.
Regardless, I care about what "wokesism" has come to mean today, and when put into practice by its devotees, what it means for the country today. It doesn't matter how it began. What matters is what it is now. It's not benign. It's not merely a warning to "keep your head on a swivel," so to speak. It's become a tool of authoritarians in their effort to maintain (and whenever possible to increase)) their societal control.
As Col. Allen West said recently after he had to cancel a speech he was going to give at a college because of the violence caused by protesters who objected to the college giving him a forum to express his opinions, and indeed he needed a police escort to leave the area without becoming a victim of that violence (and here I'm paraphrasing), "75 years ago, the police were mobilized to allow a black man to get into college. Now they're mobilized to allow a black man to get out safely."
This can hardly be called progress. What it can be called is a prime example of "cancel culture," a product of the "woke" ideology that created it.
I remember a friend's step dad showing us a Carlin HBO special back in the mid 90s. I was probably 13 or 14. Right around when you start questioning stuff. Then I found out my conservative dad hated him and that was all I needed to dive in headlong.
Been looking forward to watching this but Ive tried starting it 3 times this weekend and I keep getting interrupted. Maybe tonight.
I daresay he'd be very welcomed there, since he was an advocate for free speech and a critic of government overreach and corruption (not to mention war).
I doubt he'd be welcomed in Chappaqua, though.
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I'd love to hear him talk about the dynamics surrounding words and topics like woke, patriots, Black Lives Matter, socialist, cancel, affirmative action, and more. So much messaging and misappropriation, and so little honest discussion and debate. I have a hunch he wouldn't be ignored or out of work, though he wouldn't get many invites to Mar-a-Lago.
I daresay he'd be very welcomed there, since he was an advocate for free speech and a critic of government overreach and corruption (not to mention war).
I doubt he'd be welcomed in Chappaqua, though.
Hmmm. I don't think you should assume what he would or wouldn't lampoon. There is plenty of grist for the mill in both places you mention and he would have a field day with the lies and distortions coming from both left and right. All you are noting is your personal political bent. You aren't reflecting Carlin's interests at all.
Funny to hear about "government overreach" when the minority rule in this country is leading to people wanting to literally throw out democracy, and led to the supreme court decision thats about to come this summer.
That ain't government overreach though right? It's only overreach when you don't agree with it.
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Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
I can think of several groups to which this applies.
So can I. It required a lot of shitty fucking people doing shitty things to get us to this point in time. It also took the online echo chamber. The “cancel culture” is very dangerous. So are many of the things people are trying to cancel.
It’s a fucking mess. And it’s going to take everyone’s best to get us the fuck out of this mess. If you think things are fine and not in need of change your delusional.
Nothing worse than extremism. It’s going to wreck this country if it hasn’t already.
This is the same comedian who recently said he wants to thin the population by placing herds of people on to cruise ships and sinking them. Not cancelled. Why? Becsuse he isn’t shitting on any particular group or lifestyle even if he does make fun of them.
George Carlin would do just fine today, especially since his beliefs and takes are being romanticized this very moment on Reddit.
He should chat with a former VP who had gallows assembled for him outside the U.S. Capitol because he was performing a rudimentary function associated with his job. That's one way to cancel somebody.
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As Col. Allen West said recently after he had to cancel a speech he was going to give at a college because of the violence caused by protesters who objected to the college giving him a forum to express his opinions, and indeed he needed a police escort to leave the area without becoming a victim of that violence (and here I'm paraphrasing), "75 years ago, the police were mobilized to allow a black man to get into college. Now they're mobilized to allow a black man to get out safely."
He should chat with a former VP who had gallows assembled for him outside the U.S. Capitol because he was performing a rudimentary function associated with his job. That's one way to cancel somebody.
Right.. and a former president sought to loosen libel laws to chill free speech, and book burnings are back with us in the South.
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..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
Your comments are very Tucker-like.
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..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
if this forum had a like button I could not possibly click it enough on this post - well said, Klaatu.
+2, fantastic post Klaatu.
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I'd love to hear him talk about the dynamics surrounding words and topics like woke, patriots, Black Lives Matter, socialist, cancel, affirmative action, and more. So much messaging and misappropriation, and so little honest discussion and debate. I have a hunch he wouldn't be ignored or out of work, though he wouldn't get many invites to Mar-a-Lago.
I daresay he'd be very welcomed there, since he was an advocate for free speech and a critic of government overreach and corruption (not to mention war).
I doubt he'd be welcomed in Chappaqua, though.
Hmmm. I don't think you should assume what he would or wouldn't lampoon. There is plenty of grist for the mill in both places you mention and he would have a field day with the lies and distortions coming from both left and right. All you are noting is your personal political bent. You aren't reflecting Carlin's interests at all.
Well said Producer. The hijacking of this thread to push personal political beliefs has been embarrassing although not unexpected.
I haven’t checked out this show but I’ll try to when I’m free. I consider Lenny Bruce, Carlin, and Pryor as the 3 most significant comedians ever. Although comedy is so subjective and relative to era that it’s impossible to compare individuals.
I do think older Carlin was a little hard to listen to when he kind of stopped being all that funny and was just a preacher in a way (hopefully Chappelle doesn’t continue down this path) but younger Carlin stuff is still so funny even 50 years later.
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..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
Just...wow?
Your comments are very Tucker-like.
Thanks for the compliment. Great minds and all that.
Funny to hear about "government overreach" when the minority rule in this country is leading to people wanting to literally throw out democracy, and led to the supreme court decision thats about to come this summer.
That ain't government overreach though right? It's only overreach when you don't agree with it.
If throwing out democracy means adherence to the Constitution, rejecting the judicial oligarchy we've become and restoring the republic we used to be, then fine...throw it the hell out. The word doesn't even appear in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution because the Founders recognized its inherent dangers and had no use for it.
They also rejected the idea that their new country should be ruled by judicial fiat, and instead opted for a system where the will of the people would be expressed through their elected representatives, initially at the state and local levels, unless and until a national consensus was reached, at which time that will would be made into law by amending the Constitution.
Finally, my personal political beliefs have never been thinly veiled. They've gotten me banned before and might again, but that's a risk I'm willing to take. I'd rather suffer that fate than be cowed into silence, which, for me would be much harder to live with.
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..."woke" simply means informed of societal history/norms/inequities that someone was once ignorant to.
I still don't understand why some see it as a negative thing.
Carlin is great.
Ha! The "woke" display a very limited and carefully curated knowledge of history, with no desire to expand upon that. They're content to slavishly follow the dictates of the same"Outrage Industrial Complex" that fuels Twitter Mobs and "cancel culture." Like lemmings, they follow their crowd without much thought, raging against "the current bad thing" until their leaders decide on a new "current bad thing" for them to rage against.
"Wokeism" is their religion, and like any other religion it has its own set of rules, beliefs, and methods of dealing with apostates. Heresy is not tolerated. Dissent will be punished. It's dangerous and divisive. Of course, that's the whole point...to keep us fearful and divided.
+10000%
Carlin was well ahead of his time, WELL ahead. He would have a field day today with the perpetually aggrieved who lead the charge with canceling and censoring everything that they don't like.
Some of the dramatic language used on this thread to describe a bunch of whiners on social media is hilarious. What’s the crowning achievement of these folks? Getting Roseanne kicked off her show? They wield almost no actual power to influence anything that matters in this country, but are treated like the greatest existential threat we’ve ever faced.
Some of the dramatic language used on this thread to describe a bunch of whiners on social media is hilarious. What’s the crowning achievement of these folks? Getting Roseanne kicked off her show? They wield almost no actual power to influence anything that matters in this country, but are treated like the greatest existential threat we’ve ever faced.
Elimination of dissenting opinions are a major problem.
Plenty of Groupthink goes on in this country.
Thanks I need to see that. I wish he hosted the Oscars again. I'd watch, faithfully.
Some of the dramatic language used on this thread to describe a bunch of whiners on social media is hilarious. What’s the crowning achievement of these folks? Getting Roseanne kicked off her show? They wield almost no actual power to influence anything that matters in this country, but are treated like the greatest existential threat we’ve ever faced.
If you think the worst that cancel culture has led to is Roseannne getting thrown off her show, you need to get your head out of your ass. And I am embarrassed to share the same alma mater as you.
You wanna be intimidated by such folks, have at it, fellow Eagle. Mr. Carlin wouldn't have given them a second thought - your opinion to the contrary, which launched this tedious back and forth, indicates your head might be lodged up the same orifice.
People have always been criticized for opinions unpopular to the masses - a big difference now (in addition to social media) is a segment of the population that long held the popular opinion suddenly doesn't, and being targets of the wrath is new to them. They don't seem to like it very much, and suddenly it's the end of the world.
The Roseanne comment was an exaggeration to make a point that most of these cancel culture "victories" are short-lived and inconsequential.