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NFT: Mets Minors 5/23/2022-Some promotions

DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 10:30 am
Vasil and Seymour to BK, Mangum to AAA, Cortes demoted to AA all per Mike Mayer

-Ziegler's injury is said to be "minor" by a source, and seemingly confirmed by Mayer

AA
Mauricio 2-4 HR, K (I've been sitting on this for a bit, but Seidler made reference to it this morning... I've heard from 2 different writers that teams are down on Mauricio. It's been said his plate discipline now "swing decisions" remain well below average and while he mashes pitches in the zone, he hasn't made positive movement towards improvement. Both noted his trade value is "less than" one would think. Don't shoot the messenger)

Alvarez 0-3, BB, 2 k's (back in a slump sadly. One of the same people was 0% worried about Alvarez and had him as a mid-2023 callup and still believe that to be the case vs. those thinking he was close during his hot streak)

Ritter 0-4 K
Senger 1-4
Young 2-3, 2B, BB
Otanez .1 perfect


BK1
Newton 1-3, HR, K
Palmer 1-3, HR, K
Santos 5 innings 4 hits 2 runs 2 walks 4 k's (back to back solid starts)

BK2
Newton 1-3 HR, K
Palmer 1-2 HR, K (Palmer is heating up. .238/.347/.476 in May, that does however come with 19 k's over 42 ab's)
Schwartz 1-3

A1
Ramirez 0-4, K
Dominguez 0-4, 4 K's
Consuegra 0-4, 2 k's
Lee 0-4 3 k's

A2
Ramirez 3-5, K
ODLS 1-5 2 k's
Lee 1-3, K
Consuegra 0-4, K
Vasil 1 inning 2 hits 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's (final St. Lucie appearance)
Scott 3 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 6 k's (Top 20 prospect in the system for me)
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DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 10:56 am : link
I think it would be pretty damn cool if Joe Zanghi gets promoted at some point this year. He signed with the Mets way back in 2016 after his contract with the Reds was voided. He's a local guy too (CT)
don't know what they are talking about regarding Mauricio trade value  
KDavies : 5/23/2022 11:09 am : link
what does "one think" it is? Who are they arguing against?
RE: don't know what they are talking about regarding Mauricio trade value  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 11:13 am : link
In comment 15716216 KDavies said:
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what does "one think" it is? Who are they arguing against?


A "top" prospect, one that one headline a trade for a major addition. His stock is very much down league wide. Perceived as having a very low floor. Looking more like a 7 hitter type. Low OBP with pop but if he outgrows SS... that's essentially a non-starting MLB player.
Here is Seidler-  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 11:14 am : link
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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Before you assume he has the full trade value of his list ranking or OPS: every other team in baseball can pull up his Z-Contact and chase rate on their internal dashboards too
I've  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 11:21 am : link
seen quite a few mentions of Mauricio headlining deals for guys like Montas or Mahle for example, doesn't sound like this would be realistic on the talent side (not including any "salary dump" aspects to potential trades).
RE: RE: don't know what they are talking about regarding Mauricio trade value  
KDavies : 5/23/2022 11:26 am : link
In comment 15716225 DanMetroMan said:
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what does "one think" it is? Who are they arguing against?



A "top" prospect, one that one headline a trade for a major addition. His stock is very much down league wide. Perceived as having a very low floor. Looking more like a 7 hitter type. Low OBP with pop but if he outgrows SS... that's essentially a non-starting MLB player.


I thought the general consensus on him (at least among Mets fans) was that he was a low floor/high range of outcome player, rather than a "top" prospect. That's why my confusion.
I've  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 11:32 am : link
seem my twitter timeline flooded with Mauricio headlining deals to team X for guys like Montas. Seidler here (and 2 different casual conversations I've had with other writers) have suggested he's not a beloved prospect throughout the league and probably overrated by Mets fans.
id guess very few prospects are beloved universally  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2022 11:43 am : link
and those types (alvarez) are rarely available. very few top 100 prospects get dealt every year and i'd imagine the ones that do are usually the ones with flaws of some sort.

i think capone told us at one point the nym turned down Tyler Oneil for Duda when I think he was a top 100 prospect, so presumably he was a guy that got shopped, wasn't for everyone, and still worked out pretty good.

think back to some of the big deadline deals, Keibert Ruiz had some knocks, PCA was injured and basically pre-debut, etc.

Mauricio (or any prospect in any trade) doesn't need to be anything other than better than whatever the next team is offering.
the thought on the Montas/Mahles of the world  
KDavies : 5/23/2022 11:53 am : link
is that the Mets are not giving up Baty or Alvarez for them. Both the A's and Reds are cheap organizations, and Mauricio is the next top rated prospect for the Mets. The Mets got Bassitt (who IMO is a better pitcher than either Mahle or Montas) for less than a package headlined by Mauricio. It was headlined by Ginn. Bassitt had 1 season left, rather than the season and a half Montas/Mahle would have by the deadline, but still. I see a package with Mauricio headlining as a fair offer and don't think it's overrating his value.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 11:58 am : link
That’s not completely fair. PCA was always seen as a steep price for a rental. Less-so because he was hurt but the consensus was the Cubs did very well for a few months of Baez. As for Ruiz, his wRC+ was 143 at the time of the deal with a a career high bb%, if people viewed his stock as “down” it was due to him reaching the upper minors at 19 and AAA at 20 so he was both rushed and prospect fatigue. His arrow at the time of the deal was pointing up after a disappointing 2019 and a mostly lost 2020.
Ruiz summary at the time of the trade  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 12:01 pm : link
“ The other top 100 prospect in the deal is catcher Keibert Ruiz, and even though he’s currently 43rd overall, he may yet be poised to move up. Ruiz popped onto the scene in 2016 with a loud statistical showing at short-season Ogden. Though his power output was inflated by the elevation of the Pioneer League, he showed advanced feel for contact and soft receiver’s hands immediately, and he continued to do so as he climbed the minor league ladder.

Other aspects of Ruiz’s game have come and gone. His power output fluctuates, and his conditioning and on-field effort have, too. He’s a free-swinger who has historically been bailed out by his incredible feel for contact, and that doesn’t always hold water against big league pitching.

But Ruiz’s feel for contact is incredible. He’s a switch-hitter with a very controlled, smooth, short stroke from both sides. He’s run strikeout rates in the 8 to 12% range during his minor league career and he projects to have a 70-grade hit tool, which is almost unheard of for a catcher. He especially mauls fastballs. Per proprietary xStats sent to me by two different clubs, Ruiz’s xwOBA against all pitches, as well as fastballs over 93 mph, is .458. He is hitting for impact power again this year for the first time since that outlier Pioneer League season a half decade ago. Per Synergy Sports, Ruiz has swung and missed just 11 times against fastballs all year, and he’s almost impossible to beat in the strike zone, typically only swinging over top of breaking balls in the dirt. Ruiz has freaky bat-to-ball ability and it could spearhead an All-Star-laden career at what is a shallow position league-wide.

How much power will there be? I think it’s fair to assume Ruiz’s epicurean approach will at least limit his power output. At catcher, that’s going to be okay. The power output here is the unknown variable that will dictate whether Ruiz is a star or merely quite good. There have also been times during his career when Ruiz has looked aloof or out of shape, and his BABIPs have sometimes been comically low because he was hitting so many soft groundballs that he couldn’t exactly leg out for hits. He’s also pretty cavalier when it comes to blocking balls, greatly preferring to try to backhand pick short-hoppers in the dirt rather than move in front of the ball to block it with his pads. When he picks it clean, it’s really sexy. When he doesn’t, it’s ugly and looks like a mistake that could have been avoided with simple effort.
RE: the thought on the Montas/Mahles of the world  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2022 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15716262 KDavies said:
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is that the Mets are not giving up Baty or Alvarez for them. Both the A's and Reds are cheap organizations, and Mauricio is the next top rated prospect for the Mets. The Mets got Bassitt (who IMO is a better pitcher than either Mahle or Montas) for less than a package headlined by Mauricio. It was headlined by Ginn. Bassitt had 1 season left, rather than the season and a half Montas/Mahle would have by the deadline, but still. I see a package with Mauricio headlining as a fair offer and don't think it's overrating his value.


it's a pretty safe bet to say either would bring back a package headlined by a top 100 prospect between #20-80 since that tends to be the deadline rate and Mauricio qualifies for that.

Baty and Vientos too, and I think if you polled 30 games it wouldn't shock me if each of the 3 was the top choice of 10 different GMs. Every organization is just going to have different priorities but the fact that Mauricio has a lot more potential defensive value would I think hold value to teams that prioritize that.

But I'd be pretty shocked if there wasn't 1 team out there that wouldn't take Mauricio over Baty since he's a year younger, outslugging him, k'ing less, and more defensively capable (40-45 grade SS > 40-45 grade 3B).

all that said im not sure trading a big package for 1 of those guys makes sense unless scherzer or jdg have a big set back.
this is what i meant re: ruiz dan  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2022 12:10 pm : link
In comment 15716270 DanMetroMan said:
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Other aspects of Ruiz’s game have come and gone. His power output fluctuates, and his conditioning and on-field effort have, too. He’s a free-swinger who has historically been bailed out by his incredible feel for contact, and that doesn’t always hold water against big league pitching.



his prospect status had ebbed and flowed - at one point i think he was a top 10-15 prospect and ahead of Will Smith, and obviously that shifted.

i wasn't saying Ruiz wasn't still a good prospect he was, just like Mauricio is today. both just perhaps not as high as once thought (fluctuations are normal for most prospects other than the phenoms like Alvarez who are basically untouchable).

Pache was kind of similar. I remember several years ago dreaming of getting him back for Wheeler. His stock obviously fell off since then but he was still a good enough prospect to bring back Olsen.
MLBPIPEline  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 12:24 pm : link
Has moved Moreno ahead of Alvarez as the best C prospect in baseball
Joel Diaz  
GF1080 : 5/23/2022 12:35 pm : link
Diaz assigned to St Lucie!! Javier Atencio as well.
Diaz  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 12:45 pm : link
And Atencio are both very intriguing. It seems as if Simon Juan is dinged as he’s yet to debut despite the DSL seasoning opening
Joe Pignatano. RIP  
Earl the goat : 5/23/2022 12:55 pm : link
92

I remember his tomato garden in bull pen
RE: Diaz  
GF1080 : 5/23/2022 1:02 pm : link
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And Atencio are both very intriguing. It seems as if Simon Juan is dinged as he’s yet to debut despite the DSL seasoning opening


I just realized Robert Dominguez is on St Lucie roster as well but on 60 day IL. Do we know what he injured? Jordany Ventura hurt as well.
RE: Diaz  
GF1080 : 5/23/2022 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15716318 DanMetroMan said:
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And Atencio are both very intriguing. It seems as if Simon Juan is dinged as he’s yet to debut despite the DSL seasoning opening


Also DSL opens June 6. It didn't start yet.
RE: RE: Diaz  
KDavies : 5/23/2022 1:05 pm : link
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And Atencio are both very intriguing. It seems as if Simon Juan is dinged as he’s yet to debut despite the DSL seasoning opening



I just realized Robert Dominguez is on St Lucie roster as well but on 60 day IL. Do we know what he injured? Jordany Ventura hurt as well.


Arm surgery for Dominguez I know. Not sure if Tommy John or what.
RE: RE: Diaz  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 1:14 pm : link
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And Atencio are both very intriguing. It seems as if Simon Juan is dinged as he’s yet to debut despite the DSL seasoning opening



Also DSL opens June 6. It didn't start yet.


They have played at least 6 exhibition games and he’s yet to play in one
Hasn’t  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 1:16 pm : link
Been assigned a number so presumably dinged hopefully minor.

CHMETS09
“DSL Mets have played about 5 preseason games, and big IFA signing Simon Juan has yet to play in any of them to this point .“
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GF1080 : 5/23/2022 1:17 pm : link
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And Atencio are both very intriguing. It seems as if Simon Juan is dinged as he’s yet to debut despite the DSL seasoning opening



Also DSL opens June 6. It didn't start yet.



They have played at least 6 exhibition games and he’s yet to play in one


Got you. Thought you meant regular season had started.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 1:21 pm : link
Have DSL games posted on YouTube so yeah Juan has yet to play in any of the exhibition games for whatever the reason
Link - ( New Window )
Video  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 1:22 pm : link
Quality is pretty shitty but cool that it exists at all
RIP Joe Pignatano.  
BigBlueNH : 5/23/2022 1:25 pm : link
He must be the last of the 69 Mets coaching staff to go. I was 9 years old in 69 and that was just a magical summer for me.
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DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 4:18 pm : link
Jack Ramsey
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Per the MiLB Transaction page, Khalil Lee has been assigned to the Syracuse Mets.
Megill  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 5:19 pm : link
posted a picture of himself throwing
And  
DanMetroMan : 5/23/2022 6:00 pm : link
now there is video, flat ground only for now.
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