Josh Donaldson has been suspended one game and given a fine by Major League Baseball for inappropriate comments made toward the White Sox' Tim Anderson during Saturday's game.
MLB wrote in a statement that Donaldson's comment "was disrespectful and in poor judgment, particularly when viewed in the context of their prior interactions.” Donaldson has appealed the suspension, although he is already sidelined after being placed on the COVID-19 injured list earlier Monday.
What am I missing here? We know Donaldson is a douche but I don't see this as anything worth being suspended over. Yet, White Sox players have said they said some fucked up shit to him. That's okay too?
oh lord
Donaldson probably shouldn't have gone down the road he did, but this feels excessive and sets a vague precedent.
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Welcome to 2022 where everything and everyone thats white is racist and everyone has to be PC out of fear from the woke cancel culture. This is a joke.
oh lord
He’s not wrong.
This. I don’t think a suspension was the right move.
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More than anything else this is just the result of hearing peoples thoughts unfiltered and unmodified.
Think opinions were always out there
This suspension seems utterly ridiculous. As someone else pointed out, if they deemed it racist, then 1 game is for too short. If not, there is nothing to see here. Now, the precedent is set for any piece of trash talk to be up for suspension.
What's more, how come back when he made the comments and now that they are back in the forefront, Anderson isn't being taken to task? He's comparing bat flips and an overall obnoxious approach to the game as pioneering the sport and at a level like Jackie Robinson accomplished. Black players and community leaders should be all over this ignorance.
Disgraceful.
Im more concerned that the yanks got their dicks kicked in 3 straight afterward.
Im more concerned that the yanks got their dicks kicked in 3 straight afterward.
No they did not do just fine. That just opened the door for every douche bag who takes offense to anything. This is big boy baseball. Busting balls is part of the deal. The SOB called himself the new Jackie Robinson - maybe MLB should have suspended him for taking Jackie's name.
It would have been just as diffused if MLB said - yeah, ok, nothing to see here.
I hope he gets serenaded all night. He deserves it and so does MLB - pussies.
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This is basically a non-suspension. It was basically the best thing they could do to diffuse this situation and move on. They straddled the line here. They can say they gave the message this is not acceptable but also kinda said cmon Tim, you called yourself Jackie.
Im more concerned that the yanks got their dicks kicked in 3 straight afterward.
No they did not do just fine. That just opened the door for every douche bag who takes offense to anything. This is big boy baseball. Busting balls is part of the deal. The SOB called himself the new Jackie Robinson - maybe MLB should have suspended him for taking Jackie's name.
It would have been just as diffused if MLB said - yeah, ok, nothing to see here.
I hope he gets serenaded all night. He deserves it and so does MLB - pussies.
more concerned about losing 3 straight. this was incredibly dumb by Donaldson as it clearly fired up the white sox who kicked our asses. And i dont think mob likes the optics of using "Jackie" in a derogatory manner.
Completely ridiculous.
holy crap
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which sounds pretty bad without the extremely important context where Anderson called himself today's Jackie Robinson which is just ridiculous.
holy crap
your quote didn’t show fully - I was surprised Anderson actually said that
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Welcome to 2022 where everything and everyone thats white is racist and everyone has to be PC out of fear from the woke cancel culture. This is a joke.
oh lord
He’s not wrong.
unfortunately
Completely ridiculous.
He should've just said "him tim how's your wife and my kids"
internet winner!
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It wasn’t used in a derogatory manner. Tim Anderson LITERALLY called himself the new Jackie Robinson in 2019. It was ribbing, at worst.
Completely ridiculous.
He should've just said "him tim how's your wife and my kids"
This reminds me of the scene in Semi Pro. Did you just call me a Jive Turkey? No, he called you a cocksucker. 🤣
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It wasn’t used in a derogatory manner. Tim Anderson LITERALLY called himself the new Jackie Robinson in 2019. It was ribbing, at worst.
Completely ridiculous.
He should've just said "him tim how's your wife and my kids"
This reminds me of the scene in Semi Pro. Did you just call me a Jive Turkey? No, he called you a cocksucker. 🤣
LOL - great scene
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It wasn’t used in a derogatory manner. Tim Anderson LITERALLY called himself the new Jackie Robinson in 2019. It was ribbing, at worst.
Completely ridiculous.
He should've just said "him tim how's your wife and my kids"
'By the way, I saw your wife at the Capri Lounge last night. Hell of a dancer. You must be very very proud. Oh, and that guy she was with? Oh, I'm sure he's a close personal friend and all, but tell me, what was he doing wearing her panties on his head?'
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It wasn’t used in a derogatory manner. Tim Anderson LITERALLY called himself the new Jackie Robinson in 2019. It was ribbing, at worst.
Completely ridiculous.
He should've just said "him tim how's your wife and my kids"
'By the way, I saw your wife at the Capri Lounge last night. Hell of a dancer. You must be very very proud. Oh, and that guy she was with? Oh, I'm sure he's a close personal friend and all, but tell me, what was he doing wearing her panties on his head?'
my fav movie of all time..so many great quotes...
I wonder what the player's union has to say about it.
nothing?
I hope they don't want to support this precedent. if they start suspending people for disrespectful or poor judgment comments they're going to be passing out suspensions like handing out tic tacs.
Oh, Donaldson is a bit of a douche himself, but if it is true Donaldson has been busting his balls for three years on this, then that is on Anderson for not doing something before. And no effin way is that racist.
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and, as a PSA, i dont care how reasonable your point is - the next time ANYONE uses ‘woke’ in a sentence and comes off sounding intelligent will be the first
Oh, Donaldson is a bit of a douche himself, but if it is true Donaldson has been busting his balls for three years on this, then that is on Anderson for not doing something before. And no effin way is that racist.
i agree completely that what Donaldson was probably not intended with racial animus. But, Jesus Christ, if you dont see hownit could be taken that way… and you still think its a good idea to say that in this day and age… biting your tongue even if only out of your own self interest??? if you cant just not say that thing than you deserve the slap on the wrist you got coming simply out of stupidity
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and, as a PSA, i dont care how reasonable your point is - the next time ANYONE uses ‘woke’ in a sentence and comes off sounding intelligent will be the first
Oh, Donaldson is a bit of a douche himself, but if it is true Donaldson has been busting his balls for three years on this, then that is on Anderson for not doing something before. And no effin way is that racist.
i agree completely that what Donaldson was probably not intended with racial animus. But, Jesus Christ, if you dont see hownit could be taken that way… and you still think its a good idea to say that in this day and age… biting your tongue even if only out of your own self interest??? if you cant just not say that thing than you deserve the slap on the wrist you got coming simply out of stupidity
No I cannot see how it is racist. The fucking guy called himself the new Jackie Robinson. He is delusional. Why can't he be called out for it. This SHIT has to end. It is NOT alright to call everyone a racist when it suits your purpose.
You're mn idiot. I just woke up to this fact, but it remains that you are not a smart person even though you pretend to me. A smart person can control their triggers and use logic to discern intent. People who let triggers and moral outrage take over their thinking are the same ones that support summary judgements just as you are here.
Total lack of depth.
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and, as a PSA, i dont care how reasonable your point is - the next time ANYONE uses ‘woke’ in a sentence and comes off sounding intelligent will be the first
You're mn idiot. I just woke up to this fact, but it remains that you are not a smart person even though you pretend to me. A smart person can control their triggers and use logic to discern intent. People who let triggers and moral outrage take over their thinking are the same ones that support summary judgements just as you are here.
Total lack of depth.
You should not be lecturing anyone, sir.
I think that's a given
gents, this isn’t going anywhere. trying to avoid saying things which can be perceived as racially offensive is best to avoid. ive already said that i dont think racial animus is what motivated Donaldson. Stupid fucking thing to say.
Clearly it isn't
amen
gents, this isn’t going anywhere. trying to avoid saying things which can be perceived as racially offensive is best to avoid. ive already said that i dont think racial animus is what motivated Donaldson. Stupid fucking thing to say.
Only a person with an agenda thinks that calling a guy that called himself Jackie Robinson, Jackie, a racist. You have to fight really, really hard to think that.
By your reasoning, if somebody claimed they were the new Babe Ruth(or Mickey Mantle), and somebody else called him Babe or Mickey to deride it, they'd be racist. Think about that a little bit.
Shouldn't Anderson be questioned about why he chose now to call this racist?
Donaldson should sue MLB
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It was clearly racist. And Donaldson is an asshole. Sucks to have to root for that POS.
Clearly it isn't
If that's the case then the Jackie Robinson comment had negative connotation and in this day and age easily can become viewed as a racial statement.
MLB has to react to this, not because of the comment but the optics.
Also its 1 game, you can manage that.
If that's the case then the Jackie Robinson comment had negative connotation and in this day and age easily can become viewed as a racial statement.
MLB has to react to this, not because of the comment but the optics.
Also its 1 game, you can manage that.
Nope, totally disagree. In this day, it is a common tactic to try to bully someone by calling them a racist.
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and, as a PSA, i dont care how reasonable your point is - the next time ANYONE uses ‘woke’ in a sentence and comes off sounding intelligent will be the first
You're mn idiot. I just woke up to this fact, but it remains that you are not a smart person even though you pretend to me. A smart person can control their triggers and use logic to discern intent. People who let triggers and moral outrage take over their thinking are the same ones that support summary judgements just as you are here.
Total lack of depth.
You should not be lecturing anyone, sir.
Lol, okie dokie section....lol.
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calling a member of a minority group a name, in anger, of someone historically famously related to that minority group - for a moment put aside the extra context - if you couldn’t have foreseen how this was gonna go i don’t know what to tell you.
gents, this isn’t going anywhere. trying to avoid saying things which can be perceived as racially offensive is best to avoid. ive already said that i dont think racial animus is what motivated Donaldson. Stupid fucking thing to say.
Only a person with an agenda thinks that calling a guy that called himself Jackie Robinson, Jackie, a racist. You have to fight really, really hard to think that.
By your reasoning, if somebody claimed they were the new Babe Ruth(or Mickey Mantle), and somebody else called him Babe or Mickey to deride it, they'd be racist. Think about that a little bit.
Section, I hear what you’re saying, I really do. There are a few simple truths here: 1) there is absolutely a double standard - and there is a double standard because the history of white people and the history of black people in this country is quite different. So you’re right to say that it’s a double standard. 2) Donaldson was clearly trying to call Anderson a name to break his balls - it was not intended as a compliment, right? You and I both agree that Donaldson has no dislike for Anderson due to his skin color, but in so many of these things, and unfortunately, 3) intention rarely matters.
I think Anderson’s reaction (epecially given he would know the context) seemed disproportianate - but it’s really not for me, as a white guy, to say how a minority should or should not be offended by in the heat of the moment. do i think it’s possible that with clear heads and over a beer that Donaldson and Anderson might well be able to clear the air? probably. but in the heat of competition, and against a rival and known agitator… i havent grown up a person who had to experience racism, and i cant tell someone who has how they should feel about it. Donaldson can state his intent. he did. i believe him. i still think it was a dumb thing to do. just dont… yaknow?
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Wasn't it just uncovered that JD and Tim Anderson have a history of dislike.
If that's the case then the Jackie Robinson comment had negative connotation and in this day and age easily can become viewed as a racial statement.
MLB has to react to this, not because of the comment but the optics.
Also its 1 game, you can manage that.
Nope, totally disagree. In this day, it is a common tactic to try to bully someone by calling them a racist.
I agree to that, but don't think you can just have that mentality and look away from it all together either.
MLB had to do this.
Section, I hear what you’re saying, I really do. There are a few simple truths here: 1) there is absolutely a double standard - and there is a double standard because the history of white people and the history of black people in this country is quite different. So you’re right to say that it’s a double standard. 2) Donaldson was clearly trying to call Anderson a name to break his balls - it was not intended as a compliment, right? You and I both agree that Donaldson has no dislike for Anderson due to his skin color, but in so many of these things, and unfortunately, 3) intention rarely matters.
I think Anderson’s reaction (epecially given he would know the context) seemed disproportianate - but it’s really not for me, as a white guy, to say how a minority should or should not be offended by in the heat of the moment. do i think it’s possible that with clear heads and over a beer that Donaldson and Anderson might well be able to clear the air? probably. but in the heat of competition, and against a rival and known agitator… i havent grown up a person who had to experience racism, and i cant tell someone who has how they should feel about it. Donaldson can state his intent. he did. i believe him. i still think it was a dumb thing to do. just dont… yaknow?
Apparently Donaldson has done it for three years. So it is not new. If it was so bad, why didn't he reach out before this? So all of a sudden it became racist? Like a child he declares it as racist and the usual suspects fall in line.
Also, Anderson did this to himself. He called himself the new Jackie Robinson. Anderson has not said he told Donaldson to stop, or enough is enough - so he went nuclear. 0 to 100. And that is not right either.
But enough of my opinion.
If you're buddy busts on you and calls you Tiger after a chipping into the woods its fine cause its said in jest.
If you're coworker calls a Indian American HR manager "Gandhi" for being overly nice to everyone, that is meant with ill will or negative intent and needs to be addressed.
JD calling Tim Anderson Jackie Robinson when they already had history and a negative relationship has ill intent. So yea it comes across as racial.
You abouldbt be. There is nothing wrong with associating a person of color withanother great person of color. There is absolutely no readon for that. It is getting to the point where reverse segregation is a real thing. This is all very dangerous and society is letting it happen. Rather than discussing and clarifying, we are labeling and attacking. As a result, one side begins to refuse to make any compromise with the other. It works both ways and the media and public figures exacerbate it making some of us desensitized to to the other position. Nobody wins, nothing gets done, no progress gets made.
MLB had a chance to broker a fair decision here and it didn't. It succumbed to optics, widening the divide. If you just look at this thread, the majority thinks that Tim Anderson ovrreacted or outright played the race card. That sets an awfully treacherous precedent going forward if one side gets to determine what can be said to another and the rules dont match. Its apparent Tim Anderson brought all of this on himself, said the buzz words and got a result. MLB could have had both men meet in a room and have JD give a sincere apology. But no, they ESPN'd the hell out of this.
If you're buddy busts on you and calls you Tiger after a chipping into the woods its fine cause its said in jest.
If you're coworker calls a Indian American HR manager "Gandhi" for being overly nice to everyone, that is meant with ill will or negative intent and needs to be addressed.
JD calling Tim Anderson Jackie Robinson when they already had history and a negative relationship has ill intent. So yea it comes across as racial.
No, it doesnt. Because Tim referred to himself as Jackie Robinson. If your HR manager called themselves Ghandi after resolving matters successfully, playfully teasing them about calling themselves that by saying it yourself (while risky) has no racial intent.
This is exactly the kind of thing that chokes out communication. If I were in this situation, and I apologized and they were unreceptive and I was pumished. I would make it a point to necer want to address that person ever again.
He is no way in the same class as J. Robinson.
And I believe Donaldson was mocking him for it......
Many on here are probably too young to remember what Whitey Herzog did to Garry Templeton when flipped the bird.....
If that's the case then the Jackie Robinson comment had negative connotation and in this day and age easily can become viewed as a racial statement.
MLB has to react to this, not because of the comment but the optics.
Also its 1 game, you can manage that.
Rory - and I sort of agree with you on this, this the easy way out and not make it into a bigger issue.
You pick your fights, and this isn't one you want to blow up into something bigger.
Obviously the two situations aren’t in the same universe and I think Andersen’s 2019 comment is tone deaf.
But Andersen wasn’t making simply a baseball point, he was making a point about race.
At best it’s a clumsy insult from Donaldson. He should keep the ribbing to just baseball stuff.
Obviously the two situations aren’t in the same universe and I think Andersen’s 2019 comment is tone deaf.
But Andersen wasn’t making simply a baseball point, he was making a point about race.
At best it’s a clumsy insult from Donaldson. He should keep the ribbing to just baseball stuff.
I agree with this. MLB shpuld have had them in the same room, given Donaldson.a chance to apologize, Andderson a chance to tell JD how he took it and why it upset him and let Donaldson extend his hand and say he wont do it again and will be more careful next time.
Dropping the hammer 9n one side enable the other.
A much more productive outcome is Donaldson understanding why it’s an out of bounds blow, and then everyone move on.
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and, as a PSA, i dont care how reasonable your point is - the next time ANYONE uses ‘woke’ in a sentence and comes off sounding intelligent will be the first
Oh, Donaldson is a bit of a douche himself, but if it is true Donaldson has been busting his balls for three years on this, then that is on Anderson for not doing something before. And no effin way is that racist.
i agree completely that what Donaldson was probably not intended with racial animus. But, Jesus Christ, if you dont see hownit could be taken that way… and you still think its a good idea to say that in this day and age… biting your tongue even if only out of your own self interest??? if you cant just not say that thing than you deserve the slap on the wrist you got coming simply out of stupidity
I don’t think Donaldson meant to a make a rase-based insult. That would be too crazy even for him.
But the context in which Anderson compared himself to Robinson was about race. There’s a reason he didn’t say he was the next Barry Bonds or Babe Ruth.
He was comparing the impact he hopes to have on Black kids and the game, to the impact Robinson had (silly comparison).
It’s probably over Donaldson’s head, but when he mocks Anderson’s comment, he’s not mocking a simple baseball skill comment. He’s mocking a comment about the impact someone hopes to have on Black kids (as clumsy of a comment as it was).
Again, I think the distinction and nuance is way lost on a dim bulb like Donaldson, so I don’t doubt his intentions.
But I don’t think it’s accurate to say there’s no racial element, when the impetus of the original comment was 100% about race.
so yeah it's stupid but I'm not going to start throwing equally stupid buzzwords and act like it has some greater significance
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There were no racial undertones here, it wasn't a racial or racialized comment, nothing.
I don’t think Donaldson meant to a make a rase-based insult. That would be too crazy even for him.
But the context in which Anderson compared himself to Robinson was about race. There’s a reason he didn’t say he was the next Barry Bonds or Babe Ruth.
He was comparing the impact he hopes to have on Black kids and the game, to the impact Robinson had (silly comparison).
It’s probably over Donaldson’s head, but when he mocks Anderson’s comment, he’s not mocking a simple baseball skill comment. He’s mocking a comment about the impact someone hopes to have on Black kids (as clumsy of a comment as it was).
Again, I think the distinction and nuance is way lost on a dim bulb like Donaldson, so I don’t doubt his intentions.
But I don’t think it’s accurate to say there’s no racial element, when the impetus of the original comment was 100% about race.
Regardless, I think Anderson's statement a few years ago was more insulting than Donaldson making a joke of it. First of all, Robinson was a pioneer for a much grander cause and endured a lot if shit for it. The only shit Anderson endures is due to his being an a-hole. Second of all, what is he xhsnging in the game? He's not the first obnoxious bat flipping a-hole and h won't be the last. He has done nothing , NOTHING, revolutionary.
It is always possible for a comment to be be racial, even if not racist and even if unintended. I do not think this falls into that category. If anything, itnpints out the absurdity in Anderson ignoring the racial undertones in his comments. It's embarrassing and he should have been taken to task over it then and now that it's in the forefront, taken to task now. It diminishes Robinson's legacy both as a player and a man, because Anderson doesn't measure up in either category.
That said, I fail to see where a suspension or fine should have even been a consideration. This boils down to taunting or trash talking abd is really benign in comparison to stuff said between the lines every day.
In the most simple terms, I do think Anderson was making a clumsy comparison between himself and Robinson as it relates to being a Black figure in baseball.
When Donaldson makes a sarcastic dig at him over that comment -- I *think* the joke is something to the effect of "you're no Jackie Robinson."
This is where I think it gets a little dicey. If Donaldson was just knocking him for his skills as a ball player, that seems in bounds.
But the context seems a little broader, even if Donaldson meant to go there or not.
This is why I think the player's union should have stepped in, had the two guys speak and hash it out. This was an opportunity set things straight, not punish someone.
Using an icon of civil rights in sports as a sneering snarky attack? I mean, this shit isn't hard.
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Please explain it to me.
Using an icon of civil rights in sports as a sneering snarky attack? I mean, this shit isn't hard.
Clearly you're choosing to ignore the fact that Anderson called himself today's Jackie Robinson. I mean, this shit isn't hard.
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Please explain it to me.
Using an icon of civil rights in sports as a sneering snarky attack? I mean, this shit isn't hard.
Clearly you're choosing to ignore the fact that Anderson called himself today's Jackie Robinson. I mean, this shit isn't hard.
He said he felt like he needed to change the game. It's not about saying he's the same player with the same statistics. That's not what it was.
I think Boone and Judge had the best takes on this. They acknowledged that JD didn't mean for it to come across as intentionally racist but also said this is a place Josh shouldn't be going and I agree. If TA and JD aren't tight like that, in the heat of the moment and the way the game was going, it very easily could have been taken as disrespectful.
I think TA is soft in other ways.. giving the finger to fans was a pretty bad look for him. I'm also not sure he, himself ever flat out said the comment was racist unless I missed it. LaRussa definitely did.. but post-game, I thought all TA said was that it was disrespectful and he's certainly allowed to feel that way.
I didn't think the suspension was necessary, I didn't think Donaldson intended it in a malicious or racial manner, but I also think it's fair to say that's probably just not a smart place to go with trash talk.
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Please explain it to me.
Using an icon of civil rights in sports as a sneering snarky attack? I mean, this shit isn't hard.
Clearly you're choosing to ignore the fact that Anderson called himself today's Jackie Robinson. I mean, this shit isn't hard.
it is for you
Its like the word "racist" has no meaning anymore. It's whatever someone wants it to be.
I think Donaldson is an absolute jackass. Always have. Given the nature of the comparison that Anderson drew between himself and Jackie Robinson, and the clear context of that being race, it was a very stupid and INSENSITIVE thing to say. And I could see how one might find it OFFENSIVE. I also think he's just a fucking jerk.
I don't see how it's RACIST, though. That word carries a much higher burden of proof / intent / malice, in my view.
But those three capitalized words just get freely tossed around as synonyms these days. So one you put yourself in the crosshairs of even one of those things, you're a card-carrying member of the KKK to many people.
It's odd to me that the league got involved, beyond perhaps making a statement. It's not a slur, and taking suspension action probably only increases the gray area surrounding this type of thing going forward. I do support the league's right to take action in defense of its brand. So my feelings aren't too strong that he shouldn't have been suspended either.
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MLB's reaction, since only Donaldson knows his true meaning in how he used the term. When Donaldson was traded to the Yankees, I went to check out his Twitter account & it was controversial. Yesterday,I went back to look at it & it had been scrubbed clean. No derogatory comments,opinions to be found!Cashman said he brought him in to "shake up the locker room"! Mission accomplished Cash!
No doubt, Donaldson is a jerk. I have no doubt the comment was made from that space. I don't believe for a second that it is a shared inside joke for both guys.
That said, I fail to see where a suspension or fine should have even been a consideration. This boils down to taunting or trash talking abd is really benign in comparison to stuff said between the lines every day.
Agree with this take. In the end though it's Donaldson and he's an ass and a 1 game hit couldn't hurt.
Its like the word "racist" has no meaning anymore. It's whatever someone wants it to be.
I think Donaldson is an absolute jackass. Always have. Given the nature of the comparison that Anderson drew between himself and Jackie Robinson, and the clear context of that being race, it was a very stupid and INSENSITIVE thing to say. And I could see how one might find it OFFENSIVE. I also think he's just a fucking jerk.
I don't see how it's RACIST, though. That word carries a much higher burden of proof / intent / malice, in my view.
But those three capitalized words just get freely tossed around as synonyms these days. So one you put yourself in the crosshairs of even one of those things, you're a card-carrying member of the KKK to many people.
It's odd to me that the league got involved, beyond perhaps making a statement. It's not a slur, and taking suspension action probably only increases the gray area surrounding this type of thing going forward. I do support the league's right to take action in defense of its brand. So my feelings aren't too strong that he shouldn't have been suspended either.
You're trying to split the atom here between offensive and racist with no real reason or distinction. The only context where this can be "offensive" is if you're looking at his comment to be about race. You're presenting a distinction without a difference.
You can think that Andersons comments about being the only African american on his team at the time are ridiculous. To be bringing them up and using them as snarky comments three years later is racist.
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It wasn’t used in a derogatory manner. Tim Anderson LITERALLY called himself the new Jackie Robinson in 2019. It was ribbing, at worst.
Completely ridiculous.
He should've just said "him tim how's your wife and my kids"
'By the way, I saw your wife at the Capri Lounge last night. Hell of a dancer. You must be very very proud. Oh, and that guy she was with? Oh, I'm sure he's a close personal friend and all, but tell me, what was he doing wearing her panties on his head?'
Just watched major league last week. What a fucking classic. They don’t make them like that anymore. Hell, people today couldn’t handle that movie. They would be too triggered and would have to find their safe spaces.
Lol, at least that's what the snowflakes think.
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MLB's reaction, since only Donaldson knows his true meaning in how he used the term. When Donaldson was traded to the Yankees, I went to check out his Twitter account & it was controversial. Yesterday,I went back to look at it & it had been scrubbed clean. No derogatory comments,opinions to be found!Cashman said he brought him in to "shake up the locker room"! Mission accomplished Cash!
No doubt, Donaldson is a jerk. I have no doubt the comment was made from that space. I don't believe for a second that it is a shared inside joke for both guys.
That said, I fail to see where a suspension or fine should have even been a consideration. This boils down to taunting or trash talking abd is really benign in comparison to stuff said between the lines every day.
Agree with this take. In the end though it's Donaldson and he's an ass and a 1 game hit couldn't hurt.
Would be rather interesting if this happened in a playoff series.
I guess MLB would defer any suspension to the next year? lol
Why?
Because I take being called a racist very very seriously.
And when I am called one,when I clearly am not being racist,it sets a very bad precedence.
Anderson had no reason to air this grievance out on front street like this,and Donaldson addressed it immediately and explained the situation-didn't shy away,and still he gets suspended????
I didn't think the suspension was necessary, I didn't think Donaldson intended it in a malicious or racial manner, but I also think it's fair to say that's probably just not a smart place to go with trash talk.
So, it boils down to intent, right? Did Donaldson have some racial motivation? I didn't hear it that way, and I'm squarely in the camp that Donaldson is one of the game's biggest jerkoffs.
Unless "Jackie" is some new version of the "N-word" I don't know about, Donaldson deserves the benefit of the doubt here; and this is a matter best handled like adults where MLB has a meeting with both players together to iron it out.
Alas, MLB is making decisions based on guidance from the PC Handbook.
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where the way that words have been hi-jacked and over-used just makes everything worse.
Its like the word "racist" has no meaning anymore. It's whatever someone wants it to be.
I think Donaldson is an absolute jackass. Always have. Given the nature of the comparison that Anderson drew between himself and Jackie Robinson, and the clear context of that being race, it was a very stupid and INSENSITIVE thing to say. And I could see how one might find it OFFENSIVE. I also think he's just a fucking jerk.
I don't see how it's RACIST, though. That word carries a much higher burden of proof / intent / malice, in my view.
But those three capitalized words just get freely tossed around as synonyms these days. So one you put yourself in the crosshairs of even one of those things, you're a card-carrying member of the KKK to many people.
It's odd to me that the league got involved, beyond perhaps making a statement. It's not a slur, and taking suspension action probably only increases the gray area surrounding this type of thing going forward. I do support the league's right to take action in defense of its brand. So my feelings aren't too strong that he shouldn't have been suspended either.
You're trying to split the atom here between offensive and racist with no real reason or distinction. The only context where this can be "offensive" is if you're looking at his comment to be about race. You're presenting a distinction without a difference.
You can think that Andersons comments about being the only African american on his team at the time are ridiculous. To be bringing them up and using them as snarky comments three years later is racist.
I don't think Anderson's comments about being the only black guy on his team are ridiculous -- and I don't need you to tell me what I'm trying to do.
Nothing I said is a defense of Donaldson. He's literally one of my least favorite athletes across all sports, and I think he's an absolute asshole to boot.
If you don't agree, and all of those words mean the same thing to you, that's perfectly fine. But you don't get to talk down to everyone else about it and decide that nuance doesn't exist just because you view yourself as being on the high ground.
If it's a binary tribal issue for you, great. We all thank you for letting us know you're one of the good guys. And we're tremendously proud of you.
So like, say DJ LeMahieu made the comment or made multiple comments, a guy other players seem to respect... I doubt this is anything. I bet Anderson is laughing along with him. But you know how sometimes one type of guy says something, and it's taken completely differently (perhaps rightfully so) compared to when another guy says the exact same thing? I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of those situations.
I think at the end of the day the 1-game suspension is a good thing. In the scheme of things it's a pretty small loss for the Yankees. Anything more than that and I do think it's MLB on a witch hunt and over-indulging "woke culture," if you want to call it that. It sends a message to Donaldson, and that message isn't "don't be racist." If MLB really thought it was racist, he'd be gone for a lot longer. The message is "stop being an absolute fuckhead and putting us in situations like this.
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where the way that words have been hi-jacked and over-used just makes everything worse.
Its like the word "racist" has no meaning anymore. It's whatever someone wants it to be.
I think Donaldson is an absolute jackass. Always have. Given the nature of the comparison that Anderson drew between himself and Jackie Robinson, and the clear context of that being race, it was a very stupid and INSENSITIVE thing to say. And I could see how one might find it OFFENSIVE. I also think he's just a fucking jerk.
I don't see how it's RACIST, though. That word carries a much higher burden of proof / intent / malice, in my view.
But those three capitalized words just get freely tossed around as synonyms these days. So one you put yourself in the crosshairs of even one of those things, you're a card-carrying member of the KKK to many people.
It's odd to me that the league got involved, beyond perhaps making a statement. It's not a slur, and taking suspension action probably only increases the gray area surrounding this type of thing going forward. I do support the league's right to take action in defense of its brand. So my feelings aren't too strong that he shouldn't have been suspended either.
You're trying to split the atom here between offensive and racist with no real reason or distinction. The only context where this can be "offensive" is if you're looking at his comment to be about race. You're presenting a distinction without a difference.
You can think that Andersons comments about being the only African american on his team at the time are ridiculous. To be bringing them up and using them as snarky comments three years later is racist.
I don't think Anderson's comments about being the only black guy on his team are ridiculous -- and I don't need you to tell me what I'm trying to do.
Nothing I said is a defense of Donaldson. He's literally one of my least favorite athletes across all sports, and I think he's an absolute asshole to boot.
If you don't agree, and all of those words mean the same thing to you, that's perfectly fine. But you don't get to talk down to everyone else about it and decide that nuance doesn't exist just because you view yourself as being on the high ground.
If it's a binary tribal issue for you, great. We all thank you for letting us know you're one of the good guys. And we're tremendously proud of you.
Ok, sorry for talking down to you. How is it offensive but not racist? Unless you're using "offensive" to mean "a little racist" and "racist" to mean "really racist" what you're arguing here doesn't really make logical sense and doesn't really reflect what those words mean.
If you're trying to make the distinction to indicate the severity of what he said, then ok, I get that. But I don't agree with reserving "racist" only for boldfaced bigot level stuff. This is my main problem with the complaint that we get from folks who say "everyone is getting called a racist these days". They seem to really be trying to draw a distinction between racist stuff that they think is not so bad and therefore not worth fighting over and other stuff we all agree (mostly, at least) is bad. To me, Donaldson's sneering dig and a Proud Boy nazi march can both be racist, even if it is to clear and indisputably different degrees. Trying to classify Donaldson's bs as "offensive but not racist" is not really a meaningful distinction. He's obviously still thinking about it 3 years later and him thinking that it's still funny now and using it as a dig is racist.
Also, I'm a Yankee fan and fucking hate Josh Donaldson. Fuck that guy.
I got the feeling LaRussa barked that out because he took some heat for not supporting the team when someone swung 3-0 and hit a homer (or something of that sort).
JD can be a turd, but if guys with a history are busting each other’s chops, a guy that makes that kind of comparison, or actually any comparison, is opening the door to being mocked on it.
Isn’t this similar to the person that said they were a modern day JFK, when a Congressman came back and said, I knew John F Kennedy, and you sir are no JFK( not exact quote)?
Hell when I played football in HS and college we not only were called a lot worse the coaches slapped us in the head (helmet on of course). We thought nothing of it.
If you're trying to make the distinction to indicate the severity of what he said, then ok, I get that. But I don't agree with reserving "racist" only for boldfaced bigot level stuff. This is my main problem with the complaint that we get from folks who say "everyone is getting called a racist these days". They seem to really be trying to draw a distinction between racist stuff that they think is not so bad and therefore not worth fighting over and other stuff we all agree (mostly, at least) is bad. To me, Donaldson's sneering dig and a Proud Boy nazi march can both be racist, even if it is to clear and indisputably different degrees. Trying to classify Donaldson's bs as "offensive but not racist" is not really a meaningful distinction. He's obviously still thinking about it 3 years later and him thinking that it's still funny now and using it as a dig is racist.
Also, I'm a Yankee fan and fucking hate Josh Donaldson. Fuck that guy.
Appreciate the apology. Accepted.
The way I think about it...racism is awful. Truly despicable. I want it eradicated. I want consequences for it. It will be a never-ending battle, but over time we can consistently make it truly better than it was before, and better than it is today. We have made progress. And we need more.
I think in order for us to do that, we need to have some agreed-upon boundaries of what these words mean.
We have seen what the label "racist" can do to people. It can really impact livelihoods. And I want it to. But only when it's really true. Getting it wrong and casting the net too wide has consequences that not only aren't helpful to the cause, but harmful.
And so I think in those cases where we want real consequences, we need to have a real burden of proof that it's true. And there needs to be a certain benefit of the doubt in the absence of such proof.
To me - if someone says a thing that doesn't directly signal that they dislike, or think less of, or treat differently a person or group of people because of their race...I stop short of calling that racist.
If someone fails to consider the way that their words or actions might impact someone who hears/reads/receives them or fails to correctly consider the context or implications....that's insensitive.
And when I look at the Donaldson situation...
It's something he shouldn't say. We know that at a minimum, given the most charitable read of events, he's an asshole who alluded to a very touchy subject area in a way that wasn't meant to be positive, in the spirit of fucking with his opponent (and specifically an individual that he's had conflict with before).
I just don't see evidence that he's a racist.
Do I think that someone who is insensitive like that is more likely to actually hold racist beliefs than someone who doesn't say such things? Surely.
Should we talk about what he said? and condemn it, or at a minimum help folks see why "joking" or shit-talking about anything in that it should be realm should be off-limits in the 'heat of battle', to use a trite phrase? Absolutely.
But - do I look at that and see they type of malice or hate that should affix to Donaldson a label for which people are often, depending their circumstances, fired from their jobs and ostracized by their communities in a long lasting and often permanent way? I don't think there's nearly enough proof of intent to do that.
The arguments being made here that this is racist are fucking ridiculous and moronic. This wasn’t a racial slur thrown at him. Donaldson didn’t call him the N word, sambo, darkie, etc. He fucking called him Jackie because Anderson likened himself to Jackie Robinson in an article. Period. Full. Fucking. Stop.
How is calling him Jackie offensive? Its trash talk and that's it. Trash talking has been going on for decades and I'm sure there is a ton of stuff said that the public would go nuts about. The difference here is that Anderson is a bitch.
MLB suspending Donaldson is more of a business catering to the PC bullshit(I want to say woke, but don't want to offend anyone) and that's counterproductive, IMO.
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To me - if someone says a thing that doesn't directly signal that they dislike, or think less of, or treat differently a person or group of people because of their race...I stop short of calling that racist.
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I just don't see evidence that he's a racist.
I get what you're saying here and I guess what's missing is that when I say that what Donaldson said is "racist" it doesn't mean to me that *he's* also a racist. I am not a racist but have said and done things in my life that I would not say and do because now I feel those things are racist. Perhaps Donaldson didn't realize what he was saying would or could be seen as racist when he said it. I guess that's why it is where you'd stop short of calling that racist. You're kind of attaching some weight to Donaldson's intent. His intent is definitely important to what you think about what he said. But for me, whether they intend to directly signal that they dislike or think less of a group of people is not a sufficient test of if something is racist. For me, the act is what it is, regardless of intent.
So, there is no real evidence that Donaldson is a tried and true racist. There's plenty that he's a tried and true asshole so hopefully he can take this basic punishment, STFU and I can resume pretending he's not on my favorite team.
How is calling him Jackie offensive? Its trash talk and that's it. Trash talking has been going on for decades and I'm sure there is a ton of stuff said that the public would go nuts about. The difference here is that Anderson is a bitch.
MLB suspending Donaldson is more of a business catering to the PC bullshit(I want to say woke, but don't want to offend anyone) and that's counterproductive, IMO.
Anderson's original interview in which the Jackie Robinson self-comparison was made was very specifically about race, and the challenges that Anderson has faced/felt in the way that he and his actions are treated or spoken about within the game.
Given the nature of the discussion, I imagine that I wouldn't take kindly to that comment from Donaldson either.
It's a topic matter that Donaldson probably doesn't need to be involved in to begin with, let alone in the intentionally negative context of shit-talking one's opponent on the field of play.
So like, say DJ LeMahieu made the comment or made multiple comments, a guy other players seem to respect... I doubt this is anything. I bet Anderson is laughing along with him. But you know how sometimes one type of guy says something, and it's taken completely differently (perhaps rightfully so) compared to when another guy says the exact same thing? I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of those situations.
I think at the end of the day the 1-game suspension is a good thing. In the scheme of things it's a pretty small loss for the Yankees. Anything more than that and I do think it's MLB on a witch hunt and over-indulging "woke culture," if you want to call it that. It sends a message to Donaldson, and that message isn't "don't be racist." If MLB really thought it was racist, he'd be gone for a lot longer. The message is "stop being an absolute fuckhead and putting us in situations like this.
Good post. Pretty much my take on it.
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If Gerrit Cole came into MLB and compared himself to Roger Clemens and then someone talking shit says......"yeah you're real good Roger" or after hitting a HR someone said, "Hey, nice pitch Roger", is that any different? Is it difference because 1 guy is black. People are getting played by the media and politicians into making everything about race.
How is calling him Jackie offensive? Its trash talk and that's it. Trash talking has been going on for decades and I'm sure there is a ton of stuff said that the public would go nuts about. The difference here is that Anderson is a bitch.
MLB suspending Donaldson is more of a business catering to the PC bullshit(I want to say woke, but don't want to offend anyone) and that's counterproductive, IMO.
Anderson's original interview in which the Jackie Robinson self-comparison was made was very specifically about race, and the challenges that Anderson has faced/felt in the way that he and his actions are treated or spoken about within the game.
Given the nature of the discussion, I imagine that I wouldn't take kindly to that comment from Donaldson either.
It's a topic matter that Donaldson probably doesn't need to be involved in to begin with, let alone in the intentionally negative context of shit-talking one's opponent on the field of play.
I disagree with this completely. Even if Andersons comparison were tied to race, it still doesn't make it offensive or racist, IMO. It's literally trash talking. Yeah ok jackie(he's just saying, you aren't the legend you compared yourself to), I don't understand why everyone tip toes around this race thing. Everyone is racing to be a victim with everything.
As a Jewish person, i am very aware at all of the anti-semetic things that are said in pro sports and there are a lot. I'm not really offended by them, I just look at people like Deshaun Jackson and Lebron James and think they are idiots. I don't think they should be suspended or even reprimanded. In fact, I love how the Jewish community handles it. Come on over and lets talk about why its wrong and why you should stop doing it.
Class of '22 is shaping up to be a doozie.
It was the second benches-clearing incident involving these teams in the past couple of weeks, and both involved the same two players - MLB's getting involved 100 times out of 100. Last year they suspended a player two games for flexing his muscles to a pitcher after scoring a run. They are notorious for overreacting to any on-field issue. Stop being so dramatic.
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The fact they did was just to cater to the overly PC and constant outrage crowd(woke?) thats looking for the opportunity to make noise about something.
It was the second benches-clearing incident involving these teams in the past couple of weeks, and both involved the same two players - MLB's getting involved 100 times out of 100. Last year they suspended a player two games for flexing his muscles to a pitcher after scoring a run. They are notorious for overreacting to any on-field issue. Stop being so dramatic.
I don't think I'm being dramatic at all. In fact, if you're MLB and your concerned that it's going to escalate, then why isn't Anderson suspended or Grandal? They are the ones that escalated it.
I'll give you the answer....its to cater to the PC crowd because they are scared of the backlash.
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It was clearly racist. And Donaldson is an asshole. Sucks to have to root for that POS.
Clearly it isn't
It's only even tangentially racist because of Anderson referring to himself as the modern Jackie Robinson, which is is such an outlandishly absurd comparison to begin with.
If Anderson had made a similarly absurd reference to himself - let's say he declared that he's the human version of green bean casserole - and Donaldson said, "hey, casserole," would that be racist?
This isn't even on the same level as using known slurs that might be considered inoffensive within a community but highly offensive from an outsider. There isn't anything inherently racist about the name "Jackie" and it wasn't like Donaldson chose that name (or any other word) on his own or without context.
Anderson made a ridiculous comment and Donaldson mocked him for it. Could he have avoided it altogether? Sure. Could he have sidestepped it with something like "any other historical icons you'd like to compare yourself to today?" Sure.
Donaldson isn't without responsibility here, but I don't see how it was racist unless Anderson was comparing himself to Jackie Robinson specifically in the context of dealing with racism (which he wasn't, from what I've read).
Sounds like youre looking for a reason to blame Donaldson. Is Tim Anderson not an ass? Grandal was the reason the benches cleared and Tim Anderson escalated it. This was to cater to the PC and nothing more.
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The fact they did was just to cater to the overly PC and constant outrage crowd(woke?) thats looking for the opportunity to make noise about something.
It was the second benches-clearing incident involving these teams in the past couple of weeks, and both involved the same two players - MLB's getting involved 100 times out of 100. Last year they suspended a player two games for flexing his muscles to a pitcher after scoring a run. They are notorious for overreacting to any on-field issue. Stop being so dramatic.
Hahahahahaha
I wouldn't doubt this for a second.
Like what? Don't beat around the bush. Come out and say what you mean.
“I told him, we never have to talk again. I won’t speak to you, you won’t speak to me, if that’s how you’re going to refer to me,” Anderson said, per ESPN’s Jesse Rogers. “I knew he knew exactly what he was doing.”
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Yeah, no. It had been happening since 2019 and not a peep until now? C’mon man. The only convenience here is Anderson ‘waiting’ four years to play this like he’s the victim of some obviously obtuse racism which is ridiculous when, he himself coined the quote, “I feel like I’m the new Jackie Robinson.”
This is so fucking stupid.
You're a troll and Daniel Jones' literal cuck. Shut up.
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a bunch of mostly white guys telling everybody what racism is.
You're a troll and Daniel Jones' literal cuck. Shut up.
Cuck.. lol.. you're a fucking ass wipe.
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a bunch of mostly white guys telling everybody what racism is.
You're a troll and Daniel Jones' literal cuck. Shut up.
Cuck.. lol.. you're a fucking ass wipe.
Better than being you.
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a bunch of mostly white guys telling everybody what racism is.
You're a troll and Daniel Jones' literal cuck. Shut up.
Cuck.. lol.. you're a fucking ass wipe.
Better than being you.
You're consistent abuse aimed at me for statements you don't agree with violate the site rules. Please refrain from targeting and trolling individuals.
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a bunch of mostly white guys telling everybody what racism is.
You're a troll and Daniel Jones' literal cuck. Shut up.
Cuck.. lol.. you're a fucking ass wipe.
Better than being you.
You're consistent abuse aimed at me for statements you don't agree with violate the site rules. Please refrain from targeting and trolling individuals.
Don't you have a Daniel Jones thread to go cry in for the rest of the night? Wouldn't be surprised if you print them out and use them cry-wank yourself to sleep every night.
And you know this thread is mostly full white guys because…you’re just pulling that stat out of your ass with no actual proof of said statement?
Maybe rethink before you post?