How can you hate on Gets? Yeah he should go because he never built a team. But if all those guys are solid starters for 7 or 8 yrs. Those are some real gems Getty got.
I feel people put too much of the failure on Getty and not enough on other parts of the front office. Like ownership and the coaches they brought in.
First, Gettleman didnt draft Robinson.
Second, you are talking about him hitting on 2 rounds of draft picks over 4 years....thats it.
Was this discussion really something that you needed insight on? No offense, but DG was about as bad a GM as you can imagine and we dhould all hate him. Hell, even with those successful picks, lo9k at our cap now. He was criminally bad.
Im not even going to list the misses, but Jonathan Stewart, Nate Solder were two ABYSSMAL signings. That one Guard we got from Jax and was cut midseason. His coaching hires. Spending all that money in '20. He made two decent moves: the Odell trade and the trade in the draft last year. Other than that, he broke even, or (more likely) lost big time.
He should have been fired in December so that he could be ridden out on a rail by Giants fans for what he did to this team.
Ahhhh gotcha.
As much as Giants fans want to absolutely crucify the guy the jury is still out on his draft picks.
And if you're a real NY Giants fan you're rooting for him to be right not wrong.
As much as Giants fans want to absolutely crucify the guy the jury is still out on his draft picks.
And if you're a real NY Giants fan you're rooting for him to be right not wrong.
This may be, but it really isnt looking too good for Barkley and Jones to survive their rookie contracts. That would be 3 1st rounders out of 4 in 2 years to not survive their rookie contract. Throw in Ximenes, Carter, Hill, Lauletta, Peart and Hernandez and that is a lot of suck in rounds 1-3 (I know Lauletta was the 4th).
As much as Giants fans want to absolutely crucify the guy the jury is still out on his draft picks.
And if you're a real NY Giants fan you're rooting for him to be right not wrong.
No, if you are a real Giants fan, you recognize the absolute lack of talent that was left on this roster when the regime change happened. You also recognize that this team is not going to be competitive no matter how well Daboll coaches or how well Jones/Barkley play.
There isn’t enough talent to field 11 starters one defense who can consistently be competitive with the other team’s offense- and its the same story on offense.
They have done a good job getting what appear to be solid building blocks for the future, but there are not enough of them on the roster yet. This was never going to be a one year turnaround. This is a 2-3 year effort.
I agree. Baker was a terrible pick but he definitely has some hits in his drafts. He was horrible at pretty much everything else though... lol
Think about his draft hauls-
Barkley- I'm as big of a Saquon fan as anyone here, but it looks like he missed on a #2 overall by taking a devalued position (and a guy at a position that is subject to injury due to the amount of hits a RB takes)
DJ- The early returns on Jones at #6 would signal that he missed badly on that pick.
Hernandez early round 2- LOL.
Thomas- looks good, but DG had top pick from a strong OT crop. Would hope he hit on that pick.
Toney- hasn't proven that he can stay on the field, hasn't proven to be a dependable player. Good talent...we'll see.
Ojulari- put up good numbers last year, but I'd like to see him win more reps. He's not a guy that generated consistent pressure as a rookie but defintiely shows signs of being a good pass rusher. But I don't see him as a future pro bowler.
Lawrence- good player, probably would go in the 2nd round if they redrafted his class. So not a miss, but can't say he nailed this pick either.
Robinson- haven't seen anything from him yet. He is starter by default, and thats because DG put this team in an absolutely catastrophic financial position.
McKinney- homerun pick at the time and has the makings of a top FS. I'll give him credit.
So he's hit a few early rounders, and a couple of others that show flashes, but again he had a ton of early picks. The return on the draft capital he's had isn't great- not Mayock level bad, but not great. Add in the fact that he whiffed on just about every pick outside of the first 2 rounds, and traded away the only 3rd round pick he hit on for a backup center.
And the mismanagement of the cap, the whiffs in FA on guys like Solder, Omameh, Stewart, Ogletree (trade), Golladay, Ryan (re-signing him was an awful move), Glennon (thinking he was the answer backup Jones was a huge mistake), Rudolph, etc
Can't believe we are having this discussion..
Jones may have been a laughing stock of a pick, but the bigger laughing stock by far was the supporting cast the Giants sent him out on the field with most Sundays each of the past two seasons.
Can you email Fmic and tell him to mail you his Dave Gettleman Fan Club jacket and President’s pin. He doesn’t seem to be using them anyway and this thread makes you the likely successor...
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Also there's always ya know.. Jones/Barkley.
As much as Giants fans want to absolutely crucify the guy the jury is still out on his draft picks.
And if you're a real NY Giants fan you're rooting for him to be right not wrong.
No, if you are a real Giants fan, you recognize the absolute lack of talent that was left on this roster when the regime change happened. You also recognize that this team is not going to be competitive no matter how well Daboll coaches or how well Jones/Barkley play.
There isn’t enough talent to field 11 starters one defense who can consistently be competitive with the other team’s offense- and its the same story on offense.
They have done a good job getting what appear to be solid building blocks for the future, but there are not enough of them on the roster yet. This was never going to be a one year turnaround. This is a 2-3 year effort.
are you responding to my post. Cause you didn't.
As much as Giants fans want to absolutely crucify the guy the jury is still out on his draft picks.
And if you're a real NY Giants fan you're rooting for him to be right not wrong.
If you’re a real a NY Giants fan then you were rooting to move on from him ASAP and pray that there is something/anything to salvage from his four years of being a moron GM...
Top picks in every round since he got here...they had pick of the litter - this is Detroit Lions levels of inept drafting.
Sorry no pass here.
[Exit, pursued by a crowd of enraged Lions fans.]
The GM’s job is to build a winning team. Bequeathing a few good players might remove Gettleman from consideration for “Second-worst GM in NFL history.” That’s as far as my personal reassessment would go. It’s not as though he set up the next regime for immediate success.
4 years is more than enough time to improve a team. He hasnt yet had that big hit, maybe some will pan out down the line but he had some really big misses.
The best thing he left us with was the extra 1st rounder.
To top it off he was a condescending asshole. I think that is why people don't like him.
FOH
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It's far, far worse than that. Here are just a few things that come to mind...
(1) He took a team that we all considered poorly run under Jerry Reese and somehow managed to make the situation much worse in just four years.
(2) He hired two coaches that were fired after just two years.
(3) He made a series of front office hires/promotions that have had to be undone as soon as he was fired (Chris Pettit was just one, but there were a number of others who Schoen just let go).
(4) His two defining draft picks - the #2 overall pick spent on Barkley and the #6 spent on the "franchise" QB - look like huge mistakes.
(5) His teams won 19 games in four years (an average of less than 5 a season) with the seasons being over by October.
(6) Despite being one of the worst teams in the NFL during that time span, he left the Giants in salary cap hell. Quite an accomplishment when you consider Daniel Jones is on his rookie deal.
Gettleman arguably will go down as one of the worst GMs in New York sports history.
But yeah maybe those 5 guys will be good.
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Also there's always ya know.. Jones/Barkley.
As much as Giants fans want to absolutely crucify the guy the jury is still out on his draft picks.
And if you're a real NY Giants fan you're rooting for him to be right not wrong.
No, if you are a real Giants fan, you recognize the absolute lack of talent that was left on this roster when the regime change happened. You also recognize that this team is not going to be competitive no matter how well Daboll coaches or how well Jones/Barkley play.
There isn’t enough talent to field 11 starters one defense who can consistently be competitive with the other team’s offense- and its the same story on offense.
They have done a good job getting what appear to be solid building blocks for the future, but there are not enough of them on the roster yet. This was never going to be a one year turnaround. This is a 2-3 year effort.
are you responding to my post. Cause you didn't.
Read it again.
Thread winner, LOL
When a Gm drafts the wrong QB it won't end well for that GM. DG is going to be defined by Daniel Jones.
If Jones pulls a rabbit out of hat this season and turns his career around, it's going to be hilarious here. It's a long shot, by I do like that Daboll is structuring things around a mantra of be more aggressive. Jones, right or wrong, was neutered by Judge. Clearly.
Takes me back to Dave Brown and Reeves. Brown got another shot under a more loosely wound and open minded offensive guy in Fassel and it didn't matter in the end. Let's see how this act goes.
When a Gm drafts the wrong QB it won't end well for that GM. DG is going to be defined by Daniel Jones.
If Jones pulls a rabbit out of hat this season and turns his career around, it's going to be hilarious here. It's a long shot, by I do like that Daboll is structuring things around a mantra of be more aggressive. Jones, right or wrong, was neutered by Judge. Clearly.
Takes me back to Dave Brown and Reeves. Brown got another shot under a more loosely wound and open minded offensive guy in Fassel and it didn't matter in the end. Let's see how this act goes.
He wasn't worth $72 million. He still isn't. He would have to go on an all-time season rampage to justify the contract at this point.
by next year it will probably be out of the top 20 though so i do think Daboll would be smart to try to feature him as much as possible early because if they can start him on that track he may be tradeable if they eat some $.
As much as Giants fans want to absolutely crucify the guy the jury is still out on his draft picks.
And if you're a real NY Giants fan you're rooting for him to be right not wrong.
Cut the bullshit with the "real NY Giants fan" nonsense. If you're a real NY Giants fan, you don't want to waste entire rookie QB contracts and watch your team be the fucking laughingstock of the league for half a decade.
But I guess if you're the laughingstock of BBI, it probably feels familiar - right, Rory?
by next year it will probably be out of the top 20 though so i do think Daboll would be smart to try to feature him as much as possible early because if they can start him on that track he may be tradeable if they eat some $.
He wasn't paid $72 million to just have one Pro Bowl season.
His season last year was absolutely dreadful... rookie UDFA level bad.
If he has a Pro Bowl season in 2022, the contract is still a failure.
No GM gets a “Margin for Disaster”. That’s what Gettleman would have needed. And he got way more latitude than he deserved.
Im curious as to how many GMs can honestly be comsidered WORSE than DG. Scott Layden and Phil Jackson?
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But I think the situation he voluntarily walked into made him look even worse. There was zero margin for error.
Disagree. The margin for error in 2018 was huge, but he burned much of it on the “Last Dance with Eli” strategy. If the mandate to win with Eli was part of the “situation he voluntarily walked into”, he still owns it for volunteering when he should have told Mara it was impossible.
No GM gets a “Margin for Disaster”. That’s what Gettleman would have needed. And he got way more latitude than he deserved.
It’s not about a “margin for disaster.” Some situations are better than others just like any other job.
The Carolina job for example was a much better situation — established coach with some talent on the roster. He did ok there.
Here, he had no coach, very limited talent, and a jacked up cap situation. Hence the no margin for error comment. He needed to hit on his FAs and nail the draft to turn it around. He did neither and he got canned.
His UFA's were horrendous overall and have put us in "cap hell" for this year at a minimum.
But he never developed an OL and our offense paid dearly.