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MartyNJ1969 : 5/23/2022 11:18 pm
Lalo shooting Hamlin after the rigged setup was incredible. The last six episodes are going to be wild
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I suppose I get all that, but it still felt over-the-top.  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/24/2022 12:09 pm : link
All of that was in-reaction to Kim going against Howard's mentor and the founding partner of the firm on both a professional and personal level. Stronger penalties have been levied against people for similar transgressions. She was the provoker in those disputes, and it didn't undo all the good he did for her over the years.

And you saw it in her eyes in the episode before last nights; how she aggressively U-turned away from the meeting that was poised to be the catalyst for her career and was driven solely be vengeance for Howard. Just seemed like a lot. Perhaps Howard's final words were spot on. Bottom line is she got off on it.
RE: Also...  
allstarjim : 5/24/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15717177 Mike in Long Beach said:
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And let me caveat... Better Call Saul is currently my favorite TV show. I am by NO means slighting it. But there is a WHOLE lot of recency bias going on in these statements that it's better than Breaking Bad. It's not. Breaking Bad is a generational, top 5 of all time TV show.


Agree with Mike here.

Howard was a total dick to Kim. Remember Howard punishing her when she went to bat for Jimmy and he got the big job at the other firm and made himself such a distraction that he forced Clifford Main to fire him without cause so he could keep his bonus? And Howard put Kim in doc review on Sandpiper as punishment, then Kim worked her ass off to find the Mesa Verde case to bring to HHM, and Howard basically took it from her and left her in doc review. Chuck and Howard basically stole Mesa Verde from Kim. That's why she hates Howard. Remember it was Jimmy's scheming that got Mesa Verde to fire HHM (the address switcheroo).

And that brought Mesa Verde back to Kim.

Howard was a pretty egotistical douche, but it never seemed like he was a douche just to be one, it's because he has high professional (and personal) standards and principles for not only himself, but also everyone who works at HHM. And really, there's nothing truly inherently bad about that. So Howard, while at times unlikable, does show his personal side in his positive personal interactions with the low people on the totem pole at HHM, and when offering Jimmy a job, and even tells Jimmy he admires him for going to bat for the scholarship for the girl that had a little bit of a checkered past. So Howard is ultimately a forgivable character, one who doesn't deserve the pain and misfortune that Kim and Jimmy enact upon him.

And now that we know that it ultimately results in Howard's murder, I think this will be Kim's undoing. I don't think she's going to survive this.
Am I making this up  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/24/2022 12:26 pm : link
or was the flashback scene in Kim's childhood in Nebraska? I know Jimmy ultimately becomes Gene and moves to Nebraska. If I'm remembering that right about Kim, I doubt that's something that won't be explored.
To expound on this  
allstarjim : 5/24/2022 12:29 pm : link
I think Kim loses a bit of her soul when she tells Jimmy she wants to go after Howard.

Remember, it was Jimmy who tried to first brush the idea off, hope she would drop it, told her it was a bridge too far, gave her multiple chances to stop it, even up to the day that he ran into Judge Casimiro, seeing the broken arm, and Kim at each time re-buffed Jimmy and was the main driving force behind the plan.

She's going to know that it was mainly her that caused Howard to be in their apartment that night, when Lalo made his re-appearance. And that's going to devastate her.
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Kyle in NY : 5/24/2022 12:31 pm : link
Kim had some somewhat reasonable reasons to dislike Howard. But I think the point of it all is that they did this simply because they could, because we've seen a few times now that Kim gets off on the thrill. That she's very much "Slippin Kimmy" in her own right. Howard had it correct, right before his demise, telling her that there's a piece of her missing. They had no good reason to do this. They did it for kicks. That's my read on it. The breaking bad journey of Kim has really been remarkable. She's more evil and vindictive than Jimmy could ever dream of being.
I have  
Steve in Greenwich : 5/24/2022 12:43 pm : link
a hard time believing that there will be any more story to the breaking bad universe; unfortunately time takes its toll and we're getting too far in real life from the start of Breaking Bad for these actors. Mike & Gus are now 12-13 years older than their first appearances in Breaking Bad and its getting harder and harder to believe that these actors are portraying younger versions of themselves than when we originally had seen them. Other side characters like Todd in the El Camino movie and Huell either gained or lost a ton of weight from Breaking Bad. Just getting more difficult to keep spinning deeper into the past of their storylines as these actors are continually aging and a lot of real life time is passing.
RE: RE: I pray there is another spinoff that includes post BB for the Jimmy in  
ron mexico : 5/24/2022 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15717114 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Nebraska and getting back to New Mexico storyline. Vince Gillian and these writers are awesome.



I'd love for that as well. Unfortunately I think this is the end of it all. Wouldn't shock me if the entire last episode takes place with Jimmy in Nebraska post BB.

If they were to do another spin off it would probably involve Gus' pre BB and BCS.


I bet a bunch of the remaining episodes we be based on current day Saul

I'd love to see a show about Mike's days on the force
on top of all the personal vendetta angle  
fkap : 5/24/2022 1:00 pm : link
I maintain that wanting an early, albeit lesser, settlement for old folk who otherwise wouldn't live to see a penny is a factor. It's been hammered home several times. Juxtaposed with Howard over the top telling the old bat it's going to be years (that angle would be in tiny fine print, not screamed from the mountain top).

Plus, it's hammered again and again how Kim is on a help the poor phase. It may just be sugar to help the medicine go down, but I think it is a real factor, or at least Kim can delude herself into thinking it is. And, for all his flaws, Saul has a soft spot for the little guy. He started out wanting the early settlement for himself, being in dire straits after having being disbarred for a year, but he's awash in clients now.

And for whomever asked...the drops Saul/Kim smeared on the original photos were a chemical to make Howard temporarily look like he was on drugs. It was covered in an episode not long ago.
I think the show made a smart choice  
fkap : 5/24/2022 1:06 pm : link
in making no attempt to make the BB characters look younger. They simply told the audience to deal with it, and moved on. At some point, though, there's a limit. Hector and Gus in a BCS prequel would need new actors.
You could do a spinoff  
allstarjim : 5/24/2022 1:07 pm : link
on Hector Salamanca's rise to power, obviously with a new actor to play a young Salamanca.

Could have an episode where the recruit the twins and them getting their first kill, lol.
RE: I have  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/24/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15717217 Steve in Greenwich said:
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a hard time believing that there will be any more story to the breaking bad universe; unfortunately time takes its toll and we're getting too far in real life from the start of Breaking Bad for these actors. Mike & Gus are now 12-13 years older than their first appearances in Breaking Bad and its getting harder and harder to believe that these actors are portraying younger versions of themselves than when we originally had seen them. Other side characters like Todd in the El Camino movie and Huell either gained or lost a ton of weight from Breaking Bad. Just getting more difficult to keep spinning deeper into the past of their storylines as these actors are continually aging and a lot of real life time is passing.


Lmao, I felt for Vince Gilligan in the Breaking Bad movie; trying to pass off new Jesse Plemons as Todd. Dude has just given up.
In the past  
Kyle in NY : 5/24/2022 1:09 pm : link
I'd have defended Kim as well, based on the work with underprivileged that seemed to really be a passion of hers. But she literally did a u-turn away from a job opportunity that would have allowed her to make that her career, if it's what she actually truly cared about. Even when Jimmy brings it up in this episode, she just waved it away that it didn't really matter. She wanted revenge, for no good reason. I love the character Kim, but deep down, she's bad.
Good show, fun to watch.  
Stan in LA : 5/24/2022 1:15 pm : link
Gun to my head, many other shows I'd rather watch instead.
RE: You could do a spinoff  
Essex : 5/24/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15717246 allstarjim said:
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on Hector Salamanca's rise to power, obviously with a new actor to play a young Salamanca.

Could have an episode where the recruit the twins and them getting their first kill, lol.

This is definitely a universe akin to Star Wars where it should continued to be explored. What a freaking two shows. Breaking Bad and BCS are to the tv industry what GF and GF2 were to the film industry.
i love the opening of the episode. you knew some serious crap was  
MartyNJ1969 : 5/24/2022 1:18 pm : link
happening from the beginning with Lalo coming in and out of manhole covers
the  
Steve in Greenwich : 5/24/2022 1:19 pm : link
end of the show is just recapping Chuck's tipping point argument with Jimmy when it came out that Chuck was holding him back. Chuck said something to the sort of Jimmy's not a bad guy, even though he does try and do things for the overall good, the manner that he executes them in ultimately harms everyone around him.

As soon as Howard made the conscience decision to engage with Jimmy he was doomed. Even if Jimmy's baseline reasoning was to get the Sandpiper money to the residents (and himself) sooner, as soon as Howard engaged rather than walk away he put himself in danger. Kim is going down that same path, giving Jimmy the nudge he needed to start this war with Howard. Now she has blood on her hands too. Jimmy is not directly a bad guy, but everyone around him always ends up paying the price for his deeds.
RE: the  
MartyNJ1969 : 5/24/2022 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15717261 Steve in Greenwich said:
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end of the show is just recapping Chuck's tipping point argument with Jimmy when it came out that Chuck was holding him back. Chuck said something to the sort of Jimmy's not a bad guy, even though he does try and do things for the overall good, the manner that he executes them in ultimately harms everyone around him.

As soon as Howard made the conscience decision to engage with Jimmy he was doomed. Even if Jimmy's baseline reasoning was to get the Sandpiper money to the residents (and himself) sooner, as soon as Howard engaged rather than walk away he put himself in danger. Kim is going down that same path, giving Jimmy the nudge he needed to start this war with Howard. Now she has blood on her hands too. Jimmy is not directly a bad guy, but everyone around him always ends up paying the price for his deeds.


Well put. you nailed it!!
Lenny shopping cart guy was the best  
MartyNJ1969 : 5/24/2022 1:24 pm : link
"I'm a philosopher"
I saw this in a review but it was so spot on  
Essex : 5/24/2022 1:37 pm : link
Lalo was the soda can and you just didn't know if he was going to explode or not.
What I think we'll see in the last 6 episodes...  
rnargi : 5/24/2022 2:09 pm : link
1. Kim's demise, one way or another. She has to have a final scene pre-Breaking Bad. She either leaves never to return or dies.

2. Lalo/Fring situation has to be resolved. I would bet the farm that somehow, they turn the tables on Lalo.

3. After all the dust settles, we'll see how Jimmy is set up to meet Walter White, but we won't see White.

4. In the end, we'll see Jimmy at the Pretzel Shop...wondering how it all went wrong. Maybe calling for another vacuum model.
I definitely think Kim  
allstarjim : 5/24/2022 2:30 pm : link
is now on borrowed time.
I think 2 options for Kim  
moespree : 5/24/2022 2:37 pm : link
1. She uses the vacuum man. I don't view it coincidental she lays eyes on the card first.

2. She jumps from a roof and kills herself. In the first season and third season they show Kim high on a roof, and the camera smash cuts from her to ground level.

Kim throwing bottles from a high level as the camera watches them splat onto the ground, is a scene they continue to show the audience. She said in season 2, "I should just jump off the roof right now" in one of her scenes.

The fact they did the suicide angle with Nacho makes me less inclined to believe option 2. BUT they have foreshadowed her and roofs from the start.
I feel like the vacuum guy escape for Kim  
bceagle05 : 5/24/2022 2:41 pm : link
would be going to the well once too many times with a main character, but you can't rule it out.
I seriously doubt that Kim dies  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/24/2022 3:01 pm : link
because I just don’t see Jimmy shaking that off to the point that he’s able to continue being Saul Goodman. But my original thoughts on her future proved to be untrue with the scenes of Jimmy’s house being seized and there’s no sign that Kim lives there. I thought that they still might be together and Jimmy simply left without her. The vacuum repair guy is an option.
I do wonder how we get from current Jimmy/Saul to BB Saul  
moespree : 5/24/2022 3:03 pm : link
Because they are radically different.

The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.

Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.
RE: I do wonder how we get from current Jimmy/Saul to BB Saul  
Route 9 : 5/24/2022 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15717390 moespree said:
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Because they are radically different.

The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.

Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.


Him losing Kim, whether it is by death or she does the van thing and vanishes. Her absence from the Breaking Bad series is what wears on Saul. She plays a major roll in his life so DEFINITELY her fate are the final pieces into the Saul we know in BB.
RE: I do wonder how we get from current Jimmy/Saul to BB Saul  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/24/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15717390 moespree said:
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Because they are radically different.

The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.

Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.


In the beginning of the second-to-last Breaking Bad episode, Walt was in the vacuum guy's hideout, bald and as enraged as ever. I remember thinking, how the hell are they going to get us to him having hair and a machine gun in less than 2 episodes, and they did it wonderfully.

I hear ya, but with 6 to go, there's still plenty of time for Saul to take his darker turns.
Kim  
Samiam : 5/24/2022 5:32 pm : link
Is there a possibility that a spin-off show about Kim is in the cards? It would be a shame to killer her off or just have her leave and not be seen again.
Maybe Kim  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2022 5:35 pm : link
is working at the Cinnabon too.
Wow…I went to sleep early last night, so had to save it for after work  
mfsd : 5/24/2022 5:43 pm : link
today. Signed off early to watch, amazing episode

The scene with Kim and Jimmy going at it while listening in on Cliff reveal the settlement was great. As endearing as the Jimmy/Kim relationship is, they always show them as very domestic - except when they pull off a scam, after which they rip each other’s clothes off. Perfect ending after a long, great setup

And yet, Howard ends up being a tragic figure in the end. Quintessential rich douchebag lawyer…and yet your heart breaks for him as he melts down over how Jimmy and Kim played him, followed by Lalo walking in like his grim reaper

Amazing television. All I can say
Wow...  
moze1021 : 5/24/2022 10:34 pm : link
Just watched it..

Jaw dropping ending. Unreal.
RE: Also...  
moze1021 : 5/24/2022 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15717177 Mike in Long Beach said:
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And let me caveat... Better Call Saul is currently my favorite TV show. I am by NO means slighting it. But there is a WHOLE lot of recency bias going on in these statements that it's better than Breaking Bad. It's not. Breaking Bad is a generational, top 5 of all time TV show.


I think this is true...

I went back and watched all of Breaking Bad last summer and it's just a masterpiece. Better Call Saul is great, but I'm addition to the recency bias it still benefits from being attached to Breaking Bad a bit.. it's a show about the journey but we know a large part of where it ends
Vince Gilligan has created an absolute masterpiece of story telling…  
Crispino : 5/24/2022 11:09 pm : link
and character development. How do you create this amazing universe in Breaking Bad, and then create it’s equally compelling prequel, without a drop off in quality or watchability. Just brilliant.
The people who say Better Call Saul  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2022 11:39 pm : link
is better than Breaking Bad I think are impacted by the recency theory.

The way I view it is Breaking Bad allowed Gilligan to take his sweet time on character development and long sweeping plot arcs because of the goodwill and devoted fan base.

but if Better Call Saul was released first I'm not sure I would have made it through season 1. And it's not to say it isn't a fantastic show, it is, but it's made so much better by knowing the characters (that we know) and their story from Breaking Bad.

at least IMO
And one other thing  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2022 11:41 pm : link
Someone was saying Howard became the sympathetic character in Jimmy and Kim's apartment.

i don't view it that way and it could just be my twisted views but I viewed Lalo as the sympathetic character and kind of hoped he shot Howard - makes the end cleaner and Jimmy and Kim become the "victim"
And to think...  
moespree : 5/24/2022 11:51 pm : link
All of this off a throwaway line in Breaking Bad of, "It wasn't me, it was Ignacio. Lalo didn't send you? No Lalo?"

I am actually amazed at how creatively talented Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are that they could take that random throwaway line and craft an entire 60+ episode prequel years later.
RE: Couple of things  
Kev in Cali : 5/25/2022 12:45 am : link
In comment 15716989 oghwga said:
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Howard describing chuck always spinning his soda, why? Because Jimmy was probably always fucking with him in every way so Chuck just developed protective habits.

The last words of both Howard and Chuck to Jimmy were both about what a piece of shit he was.

.......


Agree with your stance On Chuck's paranoia ----I think Slippin Jimmy started messing with Chuck the same way he messed w/Howard, just at a different level and over a longer period of time. Jimmy sharpened his teeth somewhere/how.
rewatching some bits now from S1E02  
Kev in Cali : 5/25/2022 1:05 am : link
The skate borders who tried to con him with the fake injury/money scam.....he sent them to scam Tucco's Grandmother, and to TUcco took care of them for "karma". Jimmy is one dude I wouldn't mess with.
RE: And to think...  
Route 9 : 5/25/2022 2:44 am : link
In comment 15717798 moespree said:
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All of this off a throwaway line in Breaking Bad of, "It wasn't me, it was Ignacio. Lalo didn't send you? No Lalo?"

I am actually amazed at how creatively talented Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are that they could take that random throwaway line and craft an entire 60+ episode prequel years later.


And the pre-story/mystery wasn't tainted the way Star Wars did with their prequels. Same with LOST explaining the mysteries of the show in a boring ass way.

( I mean who the Dharma Initiative really was)

Good God that ruined everything.
RE: RE: IMO  
FranknWeezer : 5/25/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15717100 MartyNJ1969 said:
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taking Howard down (not the killing) was warranted. He was fucking over a lot of old folks who wouldn't have lived to see their share of the lawsuit just so HHM would make a little more. He put corporate greed ahead of the good of the client.



I love the old lady representing Sandpiper comments in the meeting room when the meeting went Awry. "is this how its done" totally oblivious to the gravity of the situation and acted very well


I've been in hundreds of mediations. Have heard folks comment that more than a handful of times. I actually had the thought that it would be funny if the old lady said something like that. Where are my residuals?! ;-)
RE: Couple of things  
Section331 : 5/25/2022 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15716989 oghwga said:
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He should have known Lalo would assume the phones were tapped at the nursing home.


Lalo didn't assume it, he realized it when he heard the clicking sound as he called his uncle from the drain pipe.

I also thought the Howard storyline was dragging, and was wondering where it was going, but wow, what a payoff. Can't wait for the final episodes.
Hoping the final 2-3 episodes has flashforwards of Saul's life working  
NYG27 : 5/25/2022 3:18 pm : link
at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.
RE: Hoping the final 2-3 episodes has flashforwards of Saul's life working  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15718210 NYG27 said:
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at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.


would it be a flash forward or actual "real time"? I mean it ends there, right?
RE: RE: Hoping the final 2-3 episodes has flashforwards of Saul's life working  
NYG27 : 5/25/2022 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15718218 pjcas18 said:
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at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.



would it be a flash forward or actual "real time"? I mean it ends there, right?


LOL.....good question.

I'm still going with a flash forward, mostly because it is forward in the future from the current Better Call Saul series timeline that we're all currently watching.
RE: Hoping the final 2-3 episodes has flashforwards of Saul's life working  
RCPhoenix : 5/25/2022 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15718210 NYG27 said:
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at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.


I wonder how are they going to explain Lalo being out there - to the point that Saul mentions it to Walt and Jesse - when he has no role in the cartel that we see in any episode of BB. Also, recall from BB that when Gus confronts Hector, he tells him the entire Salamanca family is no more. Is that just a plot hole? More likely scenario would be that Gus/Mike kill Lalo before the end of BCS, and Saul never finds out about his death.

I can't remember - does Don Eladio know about Gus' secret meth lab in BB, or does he not know anything about it? Again, I suspect that video we saw Lalo make never makes its way to Don Eladio.
Also Tony Dalton is excellent  
RCPhoenix : 5/25/2022 4:04 pm : link
AT least he doesn't have to be Zorro like he was in Hawkeye.
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Route 9 : 5/26/2022 1:50 pm : link
I know it happened a while ago but what did the shot of the whiskey glasses mean when it registered that Nacho betrayed him? What exactly about the glasses tipped him off? Or did it just hint to Lalo that Nacho went missing and I'm over thinking?
RE: ......  
OBJ_AllDay : 5/26/2022 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15718968 Route 9 said:
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I know it happened a while ago but what did the shot of the whiskey glasses mean when it registered that Nacho betrayed him? What exactly about the glasses tipped him off? Or did it just hint to Lalo that Nacho went missing and I'm over thinking?


Just that he was nowhere to be found during the spree imo.
......  
Route 9 : 5/26/2022 5:21 pm : link
That's what I thought. Which I liked, he was so caught up in killing the assassins that Nacho wasn't on his mind until then.

Good shit.
Just watched episode 57.  
Grey Pilgrim : 5/31/2022 6:55 pm : link
Yikes!

:shocking:
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