a hard time believing that there will be any more story to the breaking bad universe; unfortunately time takes its toll and we're getting too far in real life from the start of Breaking Bad for these actors. Mike & Gus are now 12-13 years older than their first appearances in Breaking Bad and its getting harder and harder to believe that these actors are portraying younger versions of themselves than when we originally had seen them. Other side characters like Todd in the El Camino movie and Huell either gained or lost a ton of weight from Breaking Bad. Just getting more difficult to keep spinning deeper into the past of their storylines as these actors are continually aging and a lot of real life time is passing.
Lmao, I felt for Vince Gilligan in the Breaking Bad movie; trying to pass off new Jesse Plemons as Todd. Dude has just given up.
I'd have defended Kim as well, based on the work with underprivileged that seemed to really be a passion of hers. But she literally did a u-turn away from a job opportunity that would have allowed her to make that her career, if it's what she actually truly cared about. Even when Jimmy brings it up in this episode, she just waved it away that it didn't really matter. She wanted revenge, for no good reason. I love the character Kim, but deep down, she's bad.
on Hector Salamanca's rise to power, obviously with a new actor to play a young Salamanca.
Could have an episode where the recruit the twins and them getting their first kill, lol.
This is definitely a universe akin to Star Wars where it should continued to be explored. What a freaking two shows. Breaking Bad and BCS are to the tv industry what GF and GF2 were to the film industry.
i love the opening of the episode. you knew some serious crap was
end of the show is just recapping Chuck's tipping point argument with Jimmy when it came out that Chuck was holding him back. Chuck said something to the sort of Jimmy's not a bad guy, even though he does try and do things for the overall good, the manner that he executes them in ultimately harms everyone around him.
As soon as Howard made the conscience decision to engage with Jimmy he was doomed. Even if Jimmy's baseline reasoning was to get the Sandpiper money to the residents (and himself) sooner, as soon as Howard engaged rather than walk away he put himself in danger. Kim is going down that same path, giving Jimmy the nudge he needed to start this war with Howard. Now she has blood on her hands too. Jimmy is not directly a bad guy, but everyone around him always ends up paying the price for his deeds.
end of the show is just recapping Chuck's tipping point argument with Jimmy when it came out that Chuck was holding him back. Chuck said something to the sort of Jimmy's not a bad guy, even though he does try and do things for the overall good, the manner that he executes them in ultimately harms everyone around him.
As soon as Howard made the conscience decision to engage with Jimmy he was doomed. Even if Jimmy's baseline reasoning was to get the Sandpiper money to the residents (and himself) sooner, as soon as Howard engaged rather than walk away he put himself in danger. Kim is going down that same path, giving Jimmy the nudge he needed to start this war with Howard. Now she has blood on her hands too. Jimmy is not directly a bad guy, but everyone around him always ends up paying the price for his deeds.
1. She uses the vacuum man. I don't view it coincidental she lays eyes on the card first.
2. She jumps from a roof and kills herself. In the first season and third season they show Kim high on a roof, and the camera smash cuts from her to ground level.
Kim throwing bottles from a high level as the camera watches them splat onto the ground, is a scene they continue to show the audience. She said in season 2, "I should just jump off the roof right now" in one of her scenes.
The fact they did the suicide angle with Nacho makes me less inclined to believe option 2. BUT they have foreshadowed her and roofs from the start.
because I just don’t see Jimmy shaking that off to the point that he’s able to continue being Saul Goodman. But my original thoughts on her future proved to be untrue with the scenes of Jimmy’s house being seized and there’s no sign that Kim lives there. I thought that they still might be together and Jimmy simply left without her. The vacuum repair guy is an option.
I do wonder how we get from current Jimmy/Saul to BB Saul
The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.
Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.
RE: I do wonder how we get from current Jimmy/Saul to BB Saul
The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.
Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.
Him losing Kim, whether it is by death or she does the van thing and vanishes. Her absence from the Breaking Bad series is what wears on Saul. She plays a major roll in his life so DEFINITELY her fate are the final pieces into the Saul we know in BB.
RE: I do wonder how we get from current Jimmy/Saul to BB Saul
The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.
Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.
In the beginning of the second-to-last Breaking Bad episode, Walt was in the vacuum guy's hideout, bald and as enraged as ever. I remember thinking, how the hell are they going to get us to him having hair and a machine gun in less than 2 episodes, and they did it wonderfully.
I hear ya, but with 6 to go, there's still plenty of time for Saul to take his darker turns.
Is there a possibility that a spin-off show about Kim is in the cards? It would be a shame to killer her off or just have her leave and not be seen again.
The scene with Kim and Jimmy going at it while listening in on Cliff reveal the settlement was great. As endearing as the Jimmy/Kim relationship is, they always show them as very domestic - except when they pull off a scam, after which they rip each other’s clothes off. Perfect ending after a long, great setup
And yet, Howard ends up being a tragic figure in the end. Quintessential rich douchebag lawyer…and yet your heart breaks for him as he melts down over how Jimmy and Kim played him, followed by Lalo walking in like his grim reaper
And let me caveat... Better Call Saul is currently my favorite TV show. I am by NO means slighting it. But there is a WHOLE lot of recency bias going on in these statements that it's better than Breaking Bad. It's not. Breaking Bad is a generational, top 5 of all time TV show.
I think this is true...
I went back and watched all of Breaking Bad last summer and it's just a masterpiece. Better Call Saul is great, but I'm addition to the recency bias it still benefits from being attached to Breaking Bad a bit.. it's a show about the journey but we know a large part of where it ends
Vince Gilligan has created an absolute masterpiece of story telling…
and character development. How do you create this amazing universe in Breaking Bad, and then create it’s equally compelling prequel, without a drop off in quality or watchability. Just brilliant.
is better than Breaking Bad I think are impacted by the recency theory.
The way I view it is Breaking Bad allowed Gilligan to take his sweet time on character development and long sweeping plot arcs because of the goodwill and devoted fan base.
but if Better Call Saul was released first I'm not sure I would have made it through season 1. And it's not to say it isn't a fantastic show, it is, but it's made so much better by knowing the characters (that we know) and their story from Breaking Bad.
Someone was saying Howard became the sympathetic character in Jimmy and Kim's apartment.
i don't view it that way and it could just be my twisted views but I viewed Lalo as the sympathetic character and kind of hoped he shot Howard - makes the end cleaner and Jimmy and Kim become the "victim"
All of this off a throwaway line in Breaking Bad of, "It wasn't me, it was Ignacio. Lalo didn't send you? No Lalo?"
I am actually amazed at how creatively talented Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are that they could take that random throwaway line and craft an entire 60+ episode prequel years later.
Howard describing chuck always spinning his soda, why? Because Jimmy was probably always fucking with him in every way so Chuck just developed protective habits.
The last words of both Howard and Chuck to Jimmy were both about what a piece of shit he was.
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Agree with your stance On Chuck's paranoia ----I think Slippin Jimmy started messing with Chuck the same way he messed w/Howard, just at a different level and over a longer period of time. Jimmy sharpened his teeth somewhere/how.
The skate borders who tried to con him with the fake injury/money scam.....he sent them to scam Tucco's Grandmother, and to TUcco took care of them for "karma". Jimmy is one dude I wouldn't mess with.
All of this off a throwaway line in Breaking Bad of, "It wasn't me, it was Ignacio. Lalo didn't send you? No Lalo?"
I am actually amazed at how creatively talented Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are that they could take that random throwaway line and craft an entire 60+ episode prequel years later.
And the pre-story/mystery wasn't tainted the way Star Wars did with their prequels. Same with LOST explaining the mysteries of the show in a boring ass way.
taking Howard down (not the killing) was warranted. He was fucking over a lot of old folks who wouldn't have lived to see their share of the lawsuit just so HHM would make a little more. He put corporate greed ahead of the good of the client.
I love the old lady representing Sandpiper comments in the meeting room when the meeting went Awry. "is this how its done" totally oblivious to the gravity of the situation and acted very well
I've been in hundreds of mediations. Have heard folks comment that more than a handful of times. I actually had the thought that it would be funny if the old lady said something like that. Where are my residuals?! ;-)
at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.
RE: Hoping the final 2-3 episodes has flashforwards of Saul's life working
at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.
would it be a flash forward or actual "real time"? I mean it ends there, right?
RE: RE: Hoping the final 2-3 episodes has flashforwards of Saul's life working
at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.
would it be a flash forward or actual "real time"? I mean it ends there, right?
LOL.....good question.
I'm still going with a flash forward, mostly because it is forward in the future from the current Better Call Saul series timeline that we're all currently watching.
RE: Hoping the final 2-3 episodes has flashforwards of Saul's life working
at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.
I wonder how are they going to explain Lalo being out there - to the point that Saul mentions it to Walt and Jesse - when he has no role in the cartel that we see in any episode of BB. Also, recall from BB that when Gus confronts Hector, he tells him the entire Salamanca family is no more. Is that just a plot hole? More likely scenario would be that Gus/Mike kill Lalo before the end of BCS, and Saul never finds out about his death.
I can't remember - does Don Eladio know about Gus' secret meth lab in BB, or does he not know anything about it? Again, I suspect that video we saw Lalo make never makes its way to Don Eladio.
I know it happened a while ago but what did the shot of the whiskey glasses mean when it registered that Nacho betrayed him? What exactly about the glasses tipped him off? Or did it just hint to Lalo that Nacho went missing and I'm over thinking?
I know it happened a while ago but what did the shot of the whiskey glasses mean when it registered that Nacho betrayed him? What exactly about the glasses tipped him off? Or did it just hint to Lalo that Nacho went missing and I'm over thinking?
Just that he was nowhere to be found during the spree imo.
Lmao, I felt for Vince Gilligan in the Breaking Bad movie; trying to pass off new Jesse Plemons as Todd. Dude has just given up.
Could have an episode where the recruit the twins and them getting their first kill, lol.
This is definitely a universe akin to Star Wars where it should continued to be explored. What a freaking two shows. Breaking Bad and BCS are to the tv industry what GF and GF2 were to the film industry.
As soon as Howard made the conscience decision to engage with Jimmy he was doomed. Even if Jimmy's baseline reasoning was to get the Sandpiper money to the residents (and himself) sooner, as soon as Howard engaged rather than walk away he put himself in danger. Kim is going down that same path, giving Jimmy the nudge he needed to start this war with Howard. Now she has blood on her hands too. Jimmy is not directly a bad guy, but everyone around him always ends up paying the price for his deeds.
As soon as Howard made the conscience decision to engage with Jimmy he was doomed. Even if Jimmy's baseline reasoning was to get the Sandpiper money to the residents (and himself) sooner, as soon as Howard engaged rather than walk away he put himself in danger. Kim is going down that same path, giving Jimmy the nudge he needed to start this war with Howard. Now she has blood on her hands too. Jimmy is not directly a bad guy, but everyone around him always ends up paying the price for his deeds.
Well put. you nailed it!!
2. Lalo/Fring situation has to be resolved. I would bet the farm that somehow, they turn the tables on Lalo.
3. After all the dust settles, we'll see how Jimmy is set up to meet Walter White, but we won't see White.
4. In the end, we'll see Jimmy at the Pretzel Shop...wondering how it all went wrong. Maybe calling for another vacuum model.
2. She jumps from a roof and kills herself. In the first season and third season they show Kim high on a roof, and the camera smash cuts from her to ground level.
Kim throwing bottles from a high level as the camera watches them splat onto the ground, is a scene they continue to show the audience. She said in season 2, "I should just jump off the roof right now" in one of her scenes.
The fact they did the suicide angle with Nacho makes me less inclined to believe option 2. BUT they have foreshadowed her and roofs from the start.
The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.
Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.
The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.
Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.
Him losing Kim, whether it is by death or she does the van thing and vanishes. Her absence from the Breaking Bad series is what wears on Saul. She plays a major roll in his life so DEFINITELY her fate are the final pieces into the Saul we know in BB.
The first episode in BB with Saul he is not only harassing Francesca but just flippantly suggests to Walt and Jesse they just whack Badger.
Neither of these things seem even remotely possible with the current incarnation of Saul. It's a big change and I wonder how it happens and how he is able to suppress whatever is left of Jimmy.
In the beginning of the second-to-last Breaking Bad episode, Walt was in the vacuum guy's hideout, bald and as enraged as ever. I remember thinking, how the hell are they going to get us to him having hair and a machine gun in less than 2 episodes, and they did it wonderfully.
I hear ya, but with 6 to go, there's still plenty of time for Saul to take his darker turns.
The scene with Kim and Jimmy going at it while listening in on Cliff reveal the settlement was great. As endearing as the Jimmy/Kim relationship is, they always show them as very domestic - except when they pull off a scam, after which they rip each other’s clothes off. Perfect ending after a long, great setup
And yet, Howard ends up being a tragic figure in the end. Quintessential rich douchebag lawyer…and yet your heart breaks for him as he melts down over how Jimmy and Kim played him, followed by Lalo walking in like his grim reaper
Amazing television. All I can say
Jaw dropping ending. Unreal.
I think this is true...
I went back and watched all of Breaking Bad last summer and it's just a masterpiece. Better Call Saul is great, but I'm addition to the recency bias it still benefits from being attached to Breaking Bad a bit.. it's a show about the journey but we know a large part of where it ends
The way I view it is Breaking Bad allowed Gilligan to take his sweet time on character development and long sweeping plot arcs because of the goodwill and devoted fan base.
but if Better Call Saul was released first I'm not sure I would have made it through season 1. And it's not to say it isn't a fantastic show, it is, but it's made so much better by knowing the characters (that we know) and their story from Breaking Bad.
at least IMO
i don't view it that way and it could just be my twisted views but I viewed Lalo as the sympathetic character and kind of hoped he shot Howard - makes the end cleaner and Jimmy and Kim become the "victim"
I am actually amazed at how creatively talented Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are that they could take that random throwaway line and craft an entire 60+ episode prequel years later.
Howard describing chuck always spinning his soda, why? Because Jimmy was probably always fucking with him in every way so Chuck just developed protective habits.
The last words of both Howard and Chuck to Jimmy were both about what a piece of shit he was.
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Agree with your stance On Chuck's paranoia ----I think Slippin Jimmy started messing with Chuck the same way he messed w/Howard, just at a different level and over a longer period of time. Jimmy sharpened his teeth somewhere/how.
I am actually amazed at how creatively talented Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are that they could take that random throwaway line and craft an entire 60+ episode prequel years later.
And the pre-story/mystery wasn't tainted the way Star Wars did with their prequels. Same with LOST explaining the mysteries of the show in a boring ass way.
( I mean who the Dharma Initiative really was)
Good God that ruined everything.
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taking Howard down (not the killing) was warranted. He was fucking over a lot of old folks who wouldn't have lived to see their share of the lawsuit just so HHM would make a little more. He put corporate greed ahead of the good of the client.
I love the old lady representing Sandpiper comments in the meeting room when the meeting went Awry. "is this how its done" totally oblivious to the gravity of the situation and acted very well
I've been in hundreds of mediations. Have heard folks comment that more than a handful of times. I actually had the thought that it would be funny if the old lady said something like that. Where are my residuals?! ;-)
Lalo didn't assume it, he realized it when he heard the clicking sound as he called his uncle from the drain pipe.
I also thought the Howard storyline was dragging, and was wondering where it was going, but wow, what a payoff. Can't wait for the final episodes.
would it be a flash forward or actual "real time"? I mean it ends there, right?
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at Cinnabon. Since we know from Breaking Bad, Saul still thinks Lalo is alive and out to get him. It would be a nice ending for Lalo to see Saul again at Cinnabon to close out the series.
would it be a flash forward or actual "real time"? I mean it ends there, right?
LOL.....good question.
I'm still going with a flash forward, mostly because it is forward in the future from the current Better Call Saul series timeline that we're all currently watching.
I wonder how are they going to explain Lalo being out there - to the point that Saul mentions it to Walt and Jesse - when he has no role in the cartel that we see in any episode of BB. Also, recall from BB that when Gus confronts Hector, he tells him the entire Salamanca family is no more. Is that just a plot hole? More likely scenario would be that Gus/Mike kill Lalo before the end of BCS, and Saul never finds out about his death.
I can't remember - does Don Eladio know about Gus' secret meth lab in BB, or does he not know anything about it? Again, I suspect that video we saw Lalo make never makes its way to Don Eladio.
Just that he was nowhere to be found during the spree imo.
Good shit.
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