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gidiefor : Mod : 5/24/2022 10:24 am
NY Giants

Offense
QB Daniel Jones
RB Saquon Barkley
WR Kenny Golladay
WR Kadarius Toney
WR Sterling Shepard
WR Wan'Dale Robinson
LT Andrew Thomas
LG Joshua Ezeudu
C Jon Feliciano
RG Mark Glowinski
RT Evan Neal

Defense
DE Leonard Williams
DT Dexter Lawrence
OLB Kayvon Thibodeaux
OLB Azeez Ojulari
LB Blake Martinez
LB Tae Crowder
CB Adoree' Jackson
CB Aaron Robinson
CB Cordale Flott
S Xavier McKinney
S Julian Love
NFC East projected starters for 2022 NFL season: Eagles built to contend; Cowboys' depth in decline - ( New Window )
Crowder is awful  
robbieballs2003 : 5/24/2022 10:30 am : link
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He is just guessing  
ZogZerg : 5/24/2022 10:33 am : link
He knows less than BBI regarding this topic.
Tae  
M.S. : 5/24/2022 10:36 am : link

Crowder!

Joe Schoen has a long 2023 to-do list and upgrading the MLB position is one of the items.

It's a mutli-year re-build.
What are we  
Joey in VA : 5/24/2022 10:36 am : link
The Marv Levy Bills with 4 WRs? TE is critical to this offense as is H Back, no chance 4 WRs start. Crowder will lose his job, Robbie is correct, he absolutely sucks. Beavers may very well nudge him out.
If this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/24/2022 10:36 am : link
2-4-5 defense is going to become the base, I'll have to re-do the depth chart.
RE: What are we  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/24/2022 10:37 am : link
In comment 15717096 Joey in VA said:
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The Marv Levy Bills with 4 WRs? TE is critical to this offense as is H Back, no chance 4 WRs start. Crowder will lose his job, Robbie is correct, he absolutely sucks. Beavers may very well nudge him out.


Run-and-shoot baby!
May is a great time...  
Racer : 5/24/2022 10:42 am : link
..for the national media to display how little they know about the game as the absence of news forces them to get creative.
RE: What are we  
Pepe LePugh : 5/24/2022 10:47 am : link
In comment 15717096 Joey in VA said:
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The Marv Levy Bills with 4 WRs? TE is critical to this offense as is H Back, no chance 4 WRs start. Crowder will lose his job, Robbie is correct, he absolutely sucks. Beavers may very well nudge him out.


Have you looked at the TE depth chart? Atkinson is the closest we come to a traditional TE, and he’s at best a solid TE2. Daboll may well have to adjust until they can groom one of the rookies, or get reinforcements, which may not be this season.
It's a problem projecting this roster  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/24/2022 10:58 am : link
there really is not a lot of depth - and most of you are right - this looks like a weird roster but how can you project any of the 4th-6th Round and UDFAs as starters right now?
Crowder is awful.  
Klaatu : 5/24/2022 11:07 am : link
I'm glad they drafted McFadden and Beavers, even if those investments were relatively minor. They could pay big dividends down the road.

I'm pretty high on Bellinger. I expect him to start sooner rather than later, and I wouldn't discount Jeremiah Hall making the team and making an impact.

I know it's a passing league now, and I know the Bills were extremely pass-centric. But we're not the Bills, and even though it's gone out of fashion it seems to me that the Giants are being built to run the ball well...more often than we might expect.
RE: Crowder is awful.  
KDavies : 5/24/2022 11:12 am : link
In comment 15717143 Klaatu said:
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I'm glad they drafted McFadden and Beavers, even if those investments were relatively minor. They could pay big dividends down the road.

I'm pretty high on Bellinger. I expect him to start sooner rather than later, and I wouldn't discount Jeremiah Hall making the team and making an impact.

I know it's a passing league now, and I know the Bills were extremely pass-centric. But we're not the Bills, and even though it's gone out of fashion it seems to me that the Giants are being built to run the ball well...more often than we might expect.


The Bills were not looking good offensively at some points last year. They looked a lot better when they were running the ball more down the stretch.
Its not much of a stretch to think that will be the starters  
Rudy5757 : 5/24/2022 11:14 am : link
On O I think Shepherd might be replaced by the TE Belinger and maybe lemieux over Euzeudo.

On D Crowder and Flott would be the 2 that may not be there.

All the rest seem like locks barring injury.
RE: RE: What are we  
uther99 : 5/24/2022 11:19 am : link
In comment 15717099 Eric from BBI said:
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The Marv Levy Bills with 4 WRs? TE is critical to this offense as is H Back, no chance 4 WRs start. Crowder will lose his job, Robbie is correct, he absolutely sucks. Beavers may very well nudge him out.



Run-and-shoot baby!


Yep, it's a passing league, look at top teams from last year, all high in passing yards per game .
RE: If this  
Klaatu : 5/24/2022 11:45 am : link
In comment 15717097 Eric from BBI said:
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2-4-5 defense is going to become the base, I'll have to re-do the depth chart.


I've heard some people compare to Little Bill's Super Bowl 25 defense. But in 1990 you could beat the crap out of WR's and put the fear of God in them. And did it really stop the Bills from scoring? I've always maintained that it was the Giants offense that kept the score low by keeping the Bills offense on the bench. Let's face it, the Bills had the ball for only 19 minutes and still scored 19 points. They also came pretty close to scoring 22.
The 11-person "starting lineup"  
Ben in Tampa : 5/24/2022 11:59 am : link
is really outdated for the modern NFL.

Positional depth charts make sense (mostly), but there are so many combinations and formations of positions and it changes week to week.

It's silly to say "These 11 players are the starters."
RE: If this  
BillT : 5/24/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15717097 Eric from BBI said:
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2-4-5 defense is going to become the base, I'll have to re-do the depth chart.

Is this what Wink runs or is he guessing. I would think a 3-3-5 is more likely to counter 3 WR sets. Crowder is probably the worst player on the D but he’s out there over a DL. Opposing OLs would have to be salivating to face a 2 man front I’d be surprised.
lol  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/24/2022 12:12 pm : link
Tight end schmite end, I guess.
A few tweaks imo  
Tuckrule : 5/24/2022 12:13 pm : link
Slot corner - Holmes
Inside backer- McFadden/Beavers
RE: If this  
Ivan15 : 5/24/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15717097 Eric from BBI said:
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2-4-5 defense is going to become the base, I'll have to re-do the depth chart.


I read an article from last year previewing the Ravens defense. It described Martindale’s base defense as consisting of “5 DBs and 6 other players”. Very positionless.
RE: The 11-person  
Milton : 5/24/2022 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15717190 Ben in Tampa said:
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is really outdated for the modern NFL.

Positional depth charts make sense (mostly), but there are so many combinations and formations of positions and it changes week to week.

It's silly to say "These 11 players are the starters."
I guess the best way to approach it is to list the eleven guys who you anticipate playing the most snaps as being the starters, but recognize the additional one or two guys who will be seeing double-digit snaps each game. So if there are four receivers who will see the field more than any of your tight ends, h-backs, or fullbacks, then they deserve to be considered the "starters" and same goes for nickel cornerbacks.
RE: RE: If this  
Dr. D : 5/24/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15717207 Ivan15 said:
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2-4-5 defense is going to become the base, I'll have to re-do the depth chart.



I read an article from last year previewing the Ravens defense. It described Martindale’s base defense as consisting of “5 DBs and 6 other players”. Very positionless.


The 6 other players (on most downs):
DE Leonard Williams
DT Dexter Lawrence
OLB Kayvon Thibodeaux
OLB Azeez Ojulari
LB Blake Martinez
TBD?
RE: RE: If this  
Angel Eyes : 5/24/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15717207 Ivan15 said:
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In comment 15717097 Eric from BBI said:


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2-4-5 defense is going to become the base, I'll have to re-do the depth chart.



I read an article from last year previewing the Ravens defense. It described Martindale’s base defense as consisting of “5 DBs and 6 other players”. Very positionless.

Another amoeba defense?
RE: RE: Crowder is awful.  
BSIMatt : 5/24/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15717151 KDavies said:
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I'm glad they drafted McFadden and Beavers, even if those investments were relatively minor. They could pay big dividends down the road.

I'm pretty high on Bellinger. I expect him to start sooner rather than later, and I wouldn't discount Jeremiah Hall making the team and making an impact.

I know it's a passing league now, and I know the Bills were extremely pass-centric. But we're not the Bills, and even though it's gone out of fashion it seems to me that the Giants are being built to run the ball well...more often than we might expect.



The Bills were not looking good offensively at some points last year. They looked a lot better when they were running the ball more down the stretch.


There was an article on this. Bills started off throwing more on first down than just about anybody, and with great success. As the season wore on defenses started to adjust by shifting to 3rd down defensive packages on 1st down. Which meant more defensive backs and more first down blitz looks, also formations where they were effectively daring Buffalo to run. Buffalo started shifting personnel the other direction in order to ramp up the run game.
I  
Toth029 : 5/24/2022 1:55 pm : link
Hope Coughlin, Beavers or McFadden can get that ILB role beside Martinez. Crowder is no good. Maybe depth - whatever.
RE: RE: RE: Crowder is awful.  
Klaatu : 5/25/2022 9:28 am : link
In comment 15717264 BSIMatt said:
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In comment 15717143 Klaatu said:


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I'm glad they drafted McFadden and Beavers, even if those investments were relatively minor. They could pay big dividends down the road.

I'm pretty high on Bellinger. I expect him to start sooner rather than later, and I wouldn't discount Jeremiah Hall making the team and making an impact.

I know it's a passing league now, and I know the Bills were extremely pass-centric. But we're not the Bills, and even though it's gone out of fashion it seems to me that the Giants are being built to run the ball well...more often than we might expect.



The Bills were not looking good offensively at some points last year. They looked a lot better when they were running the ball more down the stretch.



There was an article on this. Bills started off throwing more on first down than just about anybody, and with great success. As the season wore on defenses started to adjust by shifting to 3rd down defensive packages on 1st down. Which meant more defensive backs and more first down blitz looks, also formations where they were effectively daring Buffalo to run. Buffalo started shifting personnel the other direction in order to ramp up the run game.


It's no secret that the Giants needed to upgrade their O-Line to give Jones more protection and allow him to get the ball to their playmakers. Where they could, they also added playmakers who fit what Daboll and Kafka want to accomplish on offense, not just at WR, but at RB and TE, too.

However, I think a "by product" of this could be a much improved running game, and I hope to see offensive game plans that take advantage of that if and when the opportunity arises.
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