Last year the Rangers made the controversial trade of Buchnevich to St.Louis for Sammy Blais and a second round pick in the 2022 draft. Bad trade for the Rangers? Maybe so, but that second round pick they received was used to get Andrew Copp who compares favorably to Buchnevich.
In 2017 the Rangers drafted Lias Andersson with the overall 7th pick..perhaps the worst draft pick in Rangers history. Somehow they traded Andersson to LA for the 60th overall pick in the 2020 draft which they used to select Will Cuylle. Cuylle has been a dominant power forward in the OHL this year finishing 7th in goals and 17th in points despite missing nine games. The other night he had two goals in a playoff game with 10 shots on goal. He'll likely be in Hartford next season, but don't be surprised if he makes it onto the Rangers roster.
With Cuylle, Othmann and Kravtsov the Rangers have the trade capital to get a quality lefty Dman and hopefully a good center who plays defense and wins faceoffs. They also have a replacement if Kakko is signed to an offer sheet as has been rumored.
Rangers can't really afford him either - or any UFA's in the $5M+ range.
I could see Vegas try and trade Pacioretty in the final year of his deal.
Such a good player, but so fragile.
I never wanted to see Suzuki go for him. If Vegas had a little patience we would have a much better team and a young superstar, Also Lehner in goal
is a disaster. Many other moves are just mind boggling, the front office should be fired.
I am enjoying watching the Rangers who play exactly like the Knights 1st team no accident there.
And yeah, let's wait until Will Cuylle plays a game in the NHL. He does sound promising and Gorton was lucky to get a late second round pick for someone whose stock has subsequently plummeted, but again, it wasn't an ideal situation. You took a player 7th overall only to trade him for a late second rounder a few years later. You could've gotten someone like Suzuki, Necas or Robert Thomas. They whiffed BADLY at Andersson and they were lucky they got rid of him where they did as they did get at least something.
IDK if it's been substantiated, but I have heard it floated around. It seems like the taboo has been broken since the Kotkaniemi offer sheet.
So there are no actual rumors of anyone signing Kakko to an offer sheet
So there are no actual rumors of anyone signing Kakko to an offer sheet
So what's the difference between acquiring rentals like Copp/Vatrano and just keeping Buchnevich for the season? Buch wanted a long-term deal, yes, but he also expressed willingness to sign a bridge deal with us and then get to free agency.
Not that I've seen, no. More speculation than anything.
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because they couldnt re-sign him, so they took the best offer they found after putting him on the market all last summer
So there are no actual rumors of anyone signing Kakko to an offer sheet
So what's the difference between acquiring rentals like Copp/Vatrano and just keeping Buchnevich for the season? Buch wanted a long-term deal, yes, but he also expressed willingness to sign a bridge deal with us and then get to free agency.
Not that I've seen, no. More speculation than anything.
The difference is, that you acquire those players and let them play for a a contract with a playoff team. I would be stunned if we kept Strome, and Copp will likely get less money than Strome. Copp played his way into first consideration for the next deal we offer. I would think we could probably keep one of Vatrano or Motte (likely Motte). There is a big difference between the two situations you presented. We knew we couldnt afford Buch going forward. Copp, Vatrano were hedges against losing Strome which at this point is inevitable.
it's been mentioned as a possibility since the Rangers can't match because of cap constraints. I don't remember where I saw it.
And yeah, let's wait until Will Cuylle plays a game in the NHL. He does sound promising and Gorton was lucky to get a late second round pick for someone whose stock has subsequently plummeted, but again, it wasn't an ideal situation. You took a player 7th overall only to trade him for a late second rounder a few years later. You could've gotten someone like Suzuki, Necas or Robert Thomas. They whiffed BADLY at Andersson and they were lucky they got rid of him where they did as they did get at least something.
Right now I'd prefer Copp to Buch. Copp is a Center who is decent on face offs, plays defense. Copp should be judged on present performance rather than past. It seems obvious that what he's doing is not a fluke. Vatrano will go because they have prospects on rookie contracts to replace him.
As opposed to what? Trading assets for inferior players in Vatrano and Copp?
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Not sure if I agree with that take. All things being equal, Buchnevich is a better player than Copp and Vatrano. Copp has only had 40+ points in a season once (this past season). Buch has done it 4 times, including 76 points this year. Meanwhile, Vatrano and Copp will be UFAs in a month and Buch was extended after we traded him. The fact that they got a second round pick and a bottom-six player for him was and is embarrassing. Regular season or playoffs, I'd rather have Buch than either Copp or Vatrano and that's not taking anything away from those guys because they've been instrumental in our playoff run.
And yeah, let's wait until Will Cuylle plays a game in the NHL. He does sound promising and Gorton was lucky to get a late second round pick for someone whose stock has subsequently plummeted, but again, it wasn't an ideal situation. You took a player 7th overall only to trade him for a late second rounder a few years later. You could've gotten someone like Suzuki, Necas or Robert Thomas. They whiffed BADLY at Andersson and they were lucky they got rid of him where they did as they did get at least something.
Right now I'd prefer Copp to Buch. Copp is a Center who is decent on face offs, plays defense. Copp should be judged on present performance rather than past. It seems obvious that what he's doing is not a fluke. Vatrano will go because they have prospects on rookie contracts to replace him.
Not really sure how you can say that you'd rather have Copp than Buch. Buch is the better (and more durable) player and it's not even really close. Copp was playing RW for most of his time here in New York on the Panarin/Strome line. It's only recently (i.e. last game) that Turk decided to move him to C because Chytil is so atrocious on face-offs. And defense? You realize Buch is a top-notch PKer, right? I mean the only thing Copp has over Buch is playing C, which means being better at face-offs, but Buch is the superior player in pretty much every other aspect.
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because they couldnt re-sign him, so they took the best offer they found after putting him on the market all last summer
So there are no actual rumors of anyone signing Kakko to an offer sheet
So what's the difference between acquiring rentals like Copp/Vatrano and just keeping Buchnevich for the season? Buch wanted a long-term deal, yes, but he also expressed willingness to sign a bridge deal with us and then get to free agency.
Not that I've seen, no. More speculation than anything.
The difference is, that you acquire those players and let them play for a a contract with a playoff team. I would be stunned if we kept Strome, and Copp will likely get less money than Strome. Copp played his way into first consideration for the next deal we offer. I would think we could probably keep one of Vatrano or Motte (likely Motte). There is a big difference between the two situations you presented. We knew we couldnt afford Buch going forward. Copp, Vatrano were hedges against losing Strome which at this point is inevitable.
I'm not so sure about that, Frank. I don't think Drury acquired Copp and Frankie V as insurance in case Strome walked. I think he bought them as rentals with the hope that they would help propel us in the playoffs (which, to their credit, they have) and then the rest we'd go from there.
I agree that Copp will get less than Strome, who may end up getting a similar contract to what Buch got with the Blues, but again, all things being equal, Buch is the superior player to any of those guys and Drury could've signed Buch to another short-term bridge deal (which he was reportedly open to sing it would've led him to be becoming an UFA and potentially cashing out). With Buch in the fold, we would've avoided the shitty assets we got in return for him and yes, we likely would not have acquired Vatrano or Copp...or at least Vatrano since he's a RW like Buch.
But yeah, butterfly effect and all that. Who knows?
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Not sure if I agree with that take. All things being equal, Buchnevich is a better player than Copp and Vatrano. Copp has only had 40+ points in a season once (this past season). Buch has done it 4 times, including 76 points this year. Meanwhile, Vatrano and Copp will be UFAs in a month and Buch was extended after we traded him. The fact that they got a second round pick and a bottom-six player for him was and is embarrassing. Regular season or playoffs, I'd rather have Buch than either Copp or Vatrano and that's not taking anything away from those guys because they've been instrumental in our playoff run.
And yeah, let's wait until Will Cuylle plays a game in the NHL. He does sound promising and Gorton was lucky to get a late second round pick for someone whose stock has subsequently plummeted, but again, it wasn't an ideal situation. You took a player 7th overall only to trade him for a late second rounder a few years later. You could've gotten someone like Suzuki, Necas or Robert Thomas. They whiffed BADLY at Andersson and they were lucky they got rid of him where they did as they did get at least something.
Right now I'd prefer Copp to Buch. Copp is a Center who is decent on face offs, plays defense. Copp should be judged on present performance rather than past. It seems obvious that what he's doing is not a fluke. Vatrano will go because they have prospects on rookie contracts to replace him.
Not really sure how you can say that you'd rather have Copp than Buch. Buch is the better (and more durable) player and it's not even really close. Copp was playing RW for most of his time here in New York on the Panarin/Strome line. It's only recently (i.e. last game) that Turk decided to move him to C because Chytil is so atrocious on face-offs. And defense? You realize Buch is a top-notch PKer, right? I mean the only thing Copp has over Buch is playing C, which means being better at face-offs, but Buch is the superior player in pretty much every other aspect.
Lets take a step back.....what do you think Copp is going to get AAV? 3 million per? Because signing Buch means we lose another player. One of our kids or it prevents us from getting a center.
The Rangers kinda fucked up with the Panarin deal. He is earning WAAAAAY too much for his worth.
You bring up Buchnevich on almost a biweekly basis and he is a player we could not afford. Youre upset with the return? What if we got zero for him?
Give it up.
Got to move on. This isn't like signing a cooked Valeri Kamensky or trading for Eric Lindros after 4 concussions or bringing back Mark Messier in the early 2000s. It was cost effective and apparently the only option.
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Not sure if I agree with that take. All things being equal, Buchnevich is a better player than Copp and Vatrano. Copp has only had 40+ points in a season once (this past season). Buch has done it 4 times, including 76 points this year. Meanwhile, Vatrano and Copp will be UFAs in a month and Buch was extended after we traded him. The fact that they got a second round pick and a bottom-six player for him was and is embarrassing. Regular season or playoffs, I'd rather have Buch than either Copp or Vatrano and that's not taking anything away from those guys because they've been instrumental in our playoff run.
And yeah, let's wait until Will Cuylle plays a game in the NHL. He does sound promising and Gorton was lucky to get a late second round pick for someone whose stock has subsequently plummeted, but again, it wasn't an ideal situation. You took a player 7th overall only to trade him for a late second rounder a few years later. You could've gotten someone like Suzuki, Necas or Robert Thomas. They whiffed BADLY at Andersson and they were lucky they got rid of him where they did as they did get at least something.
Right now I'd prefer Copp to Buch. Copp is a Center who is decent on face offs, plays defense. Copp should be judged on present performance rather than past. It seems obvious that what he's doing is not a fluke. Vatrano will go because they have prospects on rookie contracts to replace him.
Not really sure how you can say that you'd rather have Copp than Buch. Buch is the better (and more durable) player and it's not even really close. Copp was playing RW for most of his time here in New York on the Panarin/Strome line. It's only recently (i.e. last game) that Turk decided to move him to C because Chytil is so atrocious on face-offs. And defense? You realize Buch is a top-notch PKer, right? I mean the only thing Copp has over Buch is playing C, which means being better at face-offs, but Buch is the superior player in pretty much every other aspect.
Lets take a step back.....what do you think Copp is going to get AAV? 3 million per? Because signing Buch means we lose another player. One of our kids or it prevents us from getting a center.
The Rangers kinda fucked up with the Panarin deal. He is earning WAAAAAY too much for his worth.
Copp? I'm guessing 4.5M per? Maybe 5?
You bring up Buchnevich on almost a biweekly basis and he is a player we could not afford. Youre upset with the return? What if we got zero for him?
Give it up.
Who's bringing him up? I didn't create this thread. The trade was awful then, it's awful now and it will be awful for years to come. We got pennies on the dollar and shit value in return. A crappy second round pick and a bottom-six F was never going to move the needle considering Buch was our most valuable trade asset.
And again, Copp, Motte and Vatrano (and Blais, for that matter) are all FAs at the end of the year and all will get raises. I mean you're acting like we traded for Kevin Klein on a long-term, reasonable deal. That's not the case at all. We acquired rentals to help us in the playoffs (which they have, sans Blais), but who may very well walk or, if they don't, will get raises.
Got to move on. This isn't like signing a cooked Valeri Kamensky or trading for Eric Lindros after 4 concussions or bringing back Mark Messier in the early 2000s. It was cost effective and apparently the only option.
First off, I thought you weren't a dupe. You're just a long-time lurker yet you remember me obsessing over the Leonard Williams trade? Call me skeptical, but I don't buy it. If you don't want to reveal your previous handle, that's fine, but if you're a long-time lurker who just decided to post this past month, I find that quite peculiar. But whatever, you do you.
And apropos of nothing, yes, the Leonard Williams trade was the dumbest trade in the history of this franchise. It made no sense at the time and we gave up valuable draft picks in a forgotten, throwaway season for an impending UFA that we gave a shit ton amount to.
But I digress...well, really, you digress, but I'll indulge you here.