While I agree, it may be a longer term move if they have their target in mind. Let's say they want Coach X but he's not available. Does it make sense to dump Thibs now or at the end of last year to just hire a patsy for a few months to half a year?
I'll steer clear of that hornets nest from now on.
Our buddy John Schmeelk was on the Knicks Film School podcast, linked below. Always enjoy his perspective on the Knicks, which tends to be a lot less homerish than the usual Knicks social media community. Knicks Film School - ( New Window )
CP the fanchise from Knicksfantv landed a gig on NBA radio on Sirius
and sad that he canceled it, but I'm glad that he's popping on KFS (and probably KFTV at some point).
I saw that CP landed that Sirius gig and while I'm happy for him, I'm worried about what it means for the youtube show. I basically don't want to subscribe to radio just for his show. I hope it's simulcast or something.
look, Kyrie is weird, but if you had a crystal ball telling you that the mandates and other restrictions are sort of going to go the way of the dodo these next few years, or things will at least be a little more malleable, maybe now is the perfect time to buy low on a guy like Kyrie.
Sometimes you do have to take risks and maybe a risk like this is worth taking, sort of like when we traded Starks for a much better player in Spreewell. We bought low then and reaped the rewards.
The thing is with Irving...it is ALWAYS something. If it's not getting vaxxed, it is burning all the bridges outta town in Boston. He's just a weird fucking dude who I want no part of as a Knick. Yeah, the talent is undeniable, but so is the kookiness.
Hate them, but there's something to be said for 'Heat Culture'. I still would put $ on Celts winning tomorrow night; in a game 7, I'd give the home team the edge, but homecourt has meant nothing in this series, as the road team has won 4 of the 6 games. Also, Miami's fans suck.
RE: I too thought it was a wrap after Boston went up 3-2.
Hate them, but there's something to be said for 'Heat Culture'. I still would put $ on Celts winning tomorrow night; in a game 7, I'd give the home team the edge, but homecourt has meant nothing in this series, as the road team has won 4 of the 6 games. Also, Miami's fans suck.
‘Heat Culture’ should be ‘Knicks Culture’. A shame how it all turned out. MSG fucked around and couldn’t pay Riley his $10k for that Reno trip in 1994.
Funny how the Heat never need to “tank”, Riley is the biggest mistake the Knicks have ever made letting him leave. I’ve grown to really appreciate how great he is. Link - ( New Window )
That Miami is sleepwalking because Smart and Tatum are taking turns at taking horrific shots. Once Miami wakes up and shots fall - Boston needs more from these 2.
We've elevated the young talent on this team in recent years from abysmal to solid - now we need to get a little greedy, since tanking isn't an option with Thibs.
I guess if they get enough picks it’s worthwhile for Sacramento, but that roster would be a mess - Fox, Mitchell, Sabonis, Randle? Not sure what upside they’re seeing there.
The Knicks number 1 priority this offseason is to get a point guard..
He said Mitchell would be the number 1 target but the odds he becomes available is very unlikely..
Said Brunson is their number 1 available target but many think he is staying in Dallas..Knicks were close to deals that would kf sent out Burks and Noel and would of cleared 20 million..He thinks if the Knicks tried right now they would have to give up pick 11..
Said Knicks have an advantage with Brunson if Brunson wants to be the main ball handler..
Another PG name is D'angelo Russell..
Also thr Knicks interest in Ivey is real but they have to obviously trade up
Will anyone take him? It's crazy that the Knicks have been looking for a point guard since Mark Jackson and Rod Strickland. They just can't seem to fill that position with a young quality player.
The Knicks number 1 priority this offseason is to get a point guard..
He said Mitchell would be the number 1 target but the odds he becomes available is very unlikely..
Said Brunson is their number 1 available target but many think he is staying in Dallas..Knicks were close to deals that would kf sent out Burks and Noel and would of cleared 20 million..He thinks if the Knicks tried right now they would have to give up pick 11..
Said Knicks have an advantage with Brunson if Brunson wants to be the main ball handler..
Another PG name is D'angelo Russell..
Also thr Knicks interest in Ivey is real but they have to obviously trade up
interesting stuff. I call BS on them having to add #11 to move Burks and Noel though. Both of them make about 10 mill and are expiring. Burks can easily be moved I bet as he adds value to a contender. Noel we'll probably have to toss in one or two of the 100 2nd rounders we have over the next 4 years or so.
unfortunately I think Brunson played his way back onto the Mavs
The Knicks number 1 priority this offseason is to get a point guard..
He said Mitchell would be the number 1 target but the odds he becomes available is very unlikely..
Said Brunson is their number 1 available target but many think he is staying in Dallas..Knicks were close to deals that would kf sent out Burks and Noel and would of cleared 20 million..He thinks if the Knicks tried right now they would have to give up pick 11..
Said Knicks have an advantage with Brunson if Brunson wants to be the main ball handler..
Another PG name is D'angelo Russell..
Also thr Knicks interest in Ivey is real but they have to obviously trade up
interesting stuff. I call BS on them having to add #11 to move Burks and Noel though. Both of them make about 10 mill and are expiring. Burks can easily be moved I bet as he adds value to a contender. Noel we'll probably have to toss in one or two of the 100 2nd rounders we have over the next 4 years or so.
Problem is not a lot of teams with cap space, so i think the teams that do will drive up the price..
I like Brunson but id rather just go with IQ...
Id give up the assets and trade up for Ivey
Whoever posted the link to the Riley article thank you
Bill Parcells and Pat Riley are #1 and #2 in my top 5 of favorite and greatest coaches of my lifetime.
I know a lot of people here sports hate both of them because they left NY. I don't even through it crushed me sports wise both times. I've been around enough people like them in business to not be surprised. They both have a lot of character traits in common. Good and bad. Unfortunately some of the things that make the fire burn to excel and win don't work well in society and inter personal relationships.
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It is one thing to turn yourself into a leadership legend because you spent 20 years coaching Tom Brady. It is another thing entirely to keep swapping the players and cities and take the winning with you wherever you go, as if it can be placed in a moving truck.
I really like Donovan Mitchell but if I had to choose between using
assets to trade up to 4 for Ivey or trading for Mitchell, I'd choose Ivey in a heart beat. If someone really wants to move down, the Knicks should go for it, IMO. We have way too many picks now to actually use them for drafting players. It's time to make some trades to acquire guys.
If we could trade Randle, trade up for Ivey and also find a way to have Zion force his fat ass here.... well, that would be a pretty fun and explosive team to watch.
Depends on what we have to give up to get up to 4...
If its Julius and a swap of picks... I don't know.
Would they take Julius and Dallas's 1 next year and a couple of the 2s that will be high next year? That way, you're adding Ivy and another young piece here. Thing is, Sac doesn't really have too much in the way of bad contracts. Not sure what else would have to be included to make it work.
RE: Depends on what we have to give up to get up to 4...
If its Julius and a swap of picks... I don't know.
Would they take Julius and Dallas's 1 next year and a couple of the 2s that will be high next year? That way, you're adding Ivy and another young piece here. Thing is, Sac doesn't really have too much in the way of bad contracts. Not sure what else would have to be included to make it work.
Randle, 11, dallas first and future draft assets for Barnes and 4 should work
If its Julius and a swap of picks... I don't know.
Would they take Julius and Dallas's 1 next year and a couple of the 2s that will be high next year? That way, you're adding Ivy and another young piece here. Thing is, Sac doesn't really have too much in the way of bad contracts. Not sure what else would have to be included to make it work.
It's gotta be 11. You're not gonna trade up to 4 and also keep 11. The cost to move up to 4 will be steep enough.
Mitchel, but having to choose between making a trade with Ainge vs. making a trade with the Kings is not much of a choice IMO.
That is very well said. I'm curious to see if Miami makes a push for Mitchell. DWade - Mr. Miami Heat - is part of Utah's ownership group, but Ainge loathes Pat Riley from the days of the Lakers/Celtics rivalry. That would be an interesting soap opera.
Mitchel, but having to choose between making a trade with Ainge vs. making a trade with the Kings is not much of a choice IMO.
That is very well said. I'm curious to see if Miami makes a push for Mitchell. DWade - Mr. Miami Heat - is part of Utah's ownership group, but Ainge loathes Pat Riley from the days of the Lakers/Celtics rivalry. That would be an interesting soap opera.
Miami doesnt have the matching salaries unless they offer up Bam or Lowry and thr jazz are willing to take those contracts
and they prolly can if they are willing to include like Vincent, Yertseven, etc... Not sure why the jazz trade mitchell for basically Herro and an overpaid Robinson.
If you were to make a trade for a 1st rounder for Randle, straight up, what would you do?
Like I feel like if you say any 1st rounder, you're giving up on talent. I mean, we all know the warts, and Julius was awful this year, but he's not a zero player. I can't imagine that his trade value could be lower. Is he a negative asset at this point?
I really think that if he's viewed that way then the front office will hold onto him.
If you were to make a trade for a 1st rounder for Randle, straight up, what would you do?
Like I feel like if you say any 1st rounder, you're giving up on talent. I mean, we all know the warts, and Julius was awful this year, but he's not a zero player. I can't imagine that his trade value could be lower. Is he a negative asset at this point?
I really think that if he's viewed that way then the front office will hold onto him.
If you could get a first for him, you pack his bags and send him on his way
to really see a scenario where Obi and Randle are a great pairing on the court at the same time and I think it's pretty clear Obi should be playing 30ish minutes a night next season. His final 11 games he played 30 minutes per night and averaged 19 and 6, 1 block on 58/44 shooting. Yeah, I think the Knicks are better off without Julius Randle if they gain assets (1st round pick and some bodies on non-bad contracts)
Jonathan Givony (ESPN) post combine mock draft from this morning
has the Knicks taking AJ Griffin with the 11th pick and Christian Koloko with the 42nd selection.
There was video of Leon watching Griffin from about 10 feet away. There is a belief that Griffin (more than some other guys) was unable to show his full skillset due to his usage at Duke. He would be a solid add at 11. Worth noting, Jeremy Woo felt he was less NBA ready than some other lotto picks. Koloko would basically replace Mitch. Mitch/Sims are "similar" players.
yes hahah
While I agree, it may be a longer term move if they have their target in mind. Let's say they want Coach X but he's not available. Does it make sense to dump Thibs now or at the end of last year to just hire a patsy for a few months to half a year?
This right here. I hope it happens sooner than later.
Agreed
The Knicks have,,,,,The Grim!
Just sayin.
Diop worked in Utah with Bryant and Mitchell...
The thinking is when Thibs is gone Bryant is taking over and Diop will be moved up..
Hard to understand why a cosch would give up an NBA assistant job to be Gleague coach
Our buddy John Schmeelk was on the Knicks Film School podcast, linked below. Always enjoy his perspective on the Knicks, which tends to be a lot less homerish than the usual Knicks social media community.
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I saw that CP landed that Sirius gig and while I'm happy for him, I'm worried about what it means for the youtube show. I basically don't want to subscribe to radio just for his show. I hope it's simulcast or something.
I'd do that in a NY minute. I think.
I want to keep that pick...thanks in advance.
I too was guilty...
Although all I did was say some science stuff...
Sometimes you do have to take risks and maybe a risk like this is worth taking, sort of like when we traded Starks for a much better player in Spreewell. We bought low then and reaped the rewards.
Maybe Kyrie's weirdness would be the blessing in disguise we need. How come other teams can take advantage of this shit but not the Knicks?
Or maybe it's a disaster waiting to happen.
‘Heat Culture’ should be ‘Knicks Culture’. A shame how it all turned out. MSG fucked around and couldn’t pay Riley his $10k for that Reno trip in 1994.
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Because its a sunday on a holiday weekend
hahaha i am always up late so it doesnt bother me, finals games probably wiill start around 9
Grabs by PJ Tucker is 20.5 (he only got called for 4 last game)
Complaints by Lowry and Tucker is 176.5 (easy over. Lock of the year).
Smart has to stop shooting. Hasn’t taken a good shot yet.
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And the celts head coach better start figuring how to defend Butler. Not guarding him and letting him comfortable will lead to a loss.
Smart making me eat my words.
No one is more consistent at throwing games than him. Just ask his buddy Timmy.
Sitting jaylen brown for him is a rookie move.
This would be an epic collapse.
They have talked with the Kings about a nove up to 4, Kings want more veteran type of players and are intrigued about pairing Sabonis with Randle..
Maybe the plan isnt to trade for a current star, but to trade up for a guy they think will be a star to pair with Iq,Rj and Toppin
What would it take though to move up? You get better by trading with stupid team like the Kings. Pairing Randle with Sabonis, what a stupid idea…
What would it take though to move up? You get better by trading with stupid team like the Kings. Pairing Randle with Sabonis, what a stupid idea…
It would probably take 11, next years dallas and probably a future 1st
I guess if they get enough picks it’s worthwhile for Sacramento, but that roster would be a mess - Fox, Mitchell, Sabonis, Randle? Not sure what upside they’re seeing there.
Interesting, interesting...I don't blame them either.
Go up and get Ivey, all costs, if it costs a couple of future picks, do it..go get a homegrown star..
Go into next season with a young core that is the leading the team, have a clear path for the future..
Bring back Portis..He can spread the floor and let Rj and Ivey attack the rim at will
He said Mitchell would be the number 1 target but the odds he becomes available is very unlikely..
Said Brunson is their number 1 available target but many think he is staying in Dallas..Knicks were close to deals that would kf sent out Burks and Noel and would of cleared 20 million..He thinks if the Knicks tried right now they would have to give up pick 11..
Said Knicks have an advantage with Brunson if Brunson wants to be the main ball handler..
Another PG name is D'angelo Russell..
Also thr Knicks interest in Ivey is real but they have to obviously trade up
He said Mitchell would be the number 1 target but the odds he becomes available is very unlikely..
Said Brunson is their number 1 available target but many think he is staying in Dallas..Knicks were close to deals that would kf sent out Burks and Noel and would of cleared 20 million..He thinks if the Knicks tried right now they would have to give up pick 11..
Said Knicks have an advantage with Brunson if Brunson wants to be the main ball handler..
Another PG name is D'angelo Russell..
Also thr Knicks interest in Ivey is real but they have to obviously trade up
interesting stuff. I call BS on them having to add #11 to move Burks and Noel though. Both of them make about 10 mill and are expiring. Burks can easily be moved I bet as he adds value to a contender. Noel we'll probably have to toss in one or two of the 100 2nd rounders we have over the next 4 years or so.
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The Knicks number 1 priority this offseason is to get a point guard..
He said Mitchell would be the number 1 target but the odds he becomes available is very unlikely..
Said Brunson is their number 1 available target but many think he is staying in Dallas..Knicks were close to deals that would kf sent out Burks and Noel and would of cleared 20 million..He thinks if the Knicks tried right now they would have to give up pick 11..
Said Knicks have an advantage with Brunson if Brunson wants to be the main ball handler..
Another PG name is D'angelo Russell..
Also thr Knicks interest in Ivey is real but they have to obviously trade up
interesting stuff. I call BS on them having to add #11 to move Burks and Noel though. Both of them make about 10 mill and are expiring. Burks can easily be moved I bet as he adds value to a contender. Noel we'll probably have to toss in one or two of the 100 2nd rounders we have over the next 4 years or so.
Problem is not a lot of teams with cap space, so i think the teams that do will drive up the price..
I like Brunson but id rather just go with IQ...
Id give up the assets and trade up for Ivey
I know a lot of people here sports hate both of them because they left NY. I don't even through it crushed me sports wise both times. I've been around enough people like them in business to not be surprised. They both have a lot of character traits in common. Good and bad. Unfortunately some of the things that make the fire burn to excel and win don't work well in society and inter personal relationships.
If we could trade Randle, trade up for Ivey and also find a way to have Zion force his fat ass here.... well, that would be a pretty fun and explosive team to watch.
Would they take Julius and Dallas's 1 next year and a couple of the 2s that will be high next year? That way, you're adding Ivy and another young piece here. Thing is, Sac doesn't really have too much in the way of bad contracts. Not sure what else would have to be included to make it work.
Would they take Julius and Dallas's 1 next year and a couple of the 2s that will be high next year? That way, you're adding Ivy and another young piece here. Thing is, Sac doesn't really have too much in the way of bad contracts. Not sure what else would have to be included to make it work.
Randle, 11, dallas first and future draft assets for Barnes and 4 should work
Would they take Julius and Dallas's 1 next year and a couple of the 2s that will be high next year? That way, you're adding Ivy and another young piece here. Thing is, Sac doesn't really have too much in the way of bad contracts. Not sure what else would have to be included to make it work.
It's gotta be 11. You're not gonna trade up to 4 and also keep 11. The cost to move up to 4 will be steep enough.
That is very well said. I'm curious to see if Miami makes a push for Mitchell. DWade - Mr. Miami Heat - is part of Utah's ownership group, but Ainge loathes Pat Riley from the days of the Lakers/Celtics rivalry. That would be an interesting soap opera.
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Mitchel, but having to choose between making a trade with Ainge vs. making a trade with the Kings is not much of a choice IMO.
That is very well said. I'm curious to see if Miami makes a push for Mitchell. DWade - Mr. Miami Heat - is part of Utah's ownership group, but Ainge loathes Pat Riley from the days of the Lakers/Celtics rivalry. That would be an interesting soap opera.
Miami doesnt have the matching salaries unless they offer up Bam or Lowry and thr jazz are willing to take those contracts
They are top heavy they dont have salaries to match...
Herro and Robinson is only 19 million
If Knicks add a point id like it to be someone who can play with IQ
Like I feel like if you say any 1st rounder, you're giving up on talent. I mean, we all know the warts, and Julius was awful this year, but he's not a zero player. I can't imagine that his trade value could be lower. Is he a negative asset at this point?
I really think that if he's viewed that way then the front office will hold onto him.
Like I feel like if you say any 1st rounder, you're giving up on talent. I mean, we all know the warts, and Julius was awful this year, but he's not a zero player. I can't imagine that his trade value could be lower. Is he a negative asset at this point?
I really think that if he's viewed that way then the front office will hold onto him.
If you could get a first for him, you pack his bags and send him on his way
There was video of Leon watching Griffin from about 10 feet away. There is a belief that Griffin (more than some other guys) was unable to show his full skillset due to his usage at Duke. He would be a solid add at 11. Worth noting, Jeremy Woo felt he was less NBA ready than some other lotto picks. Koloko would basically replace Mitch. Mitch/Sims are "similar" players.