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NFT: Pizza Friday- Chicago Deep Dish?

CRinCA : 5/26/2022 8:48 pm
Born and raised NY/NJ guy who has pretty much had pizza on Friday whenever possible.

Never tried Chicago style deep dish despite a passing trip or 2 through the area. Recently got caught up in this damn GoldBelly food delivery cult so I now have a selection of Lou Malnati’s pizza’s scheduled to arrive tomorrow. Will I be horrified or pleasantly surprised? Meh?
I have ordered Lou Malnati's from goldbelly  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 8:51 pm : link
it's good - especially for frozen/goldbelly, but it's more casserole than pizza.

We have gotten  
Bob from Massachusetts : 5/26/2022 8:55 pm : link
Giordano's delivered here in Boston. It arrives shipped on dry ice and you freeze it, but when you cook it, which is a combination of microwave and cooking in the oven, man is that a good pizza! The crust is like pastry, the sauce is so good, it's really fantastic. It's a little pricey, but they ship it from Chicago. So it's worth it!
It's meh.  
BH28 : 5/26/2022 8:57 pm : link
I've had it fresh in Chicago and don't get the hype.
Lou Malnatis  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 8:57 pm : link
has no microwave involved in the cooking.

it's cooked in the oven for 40 minutes in the same pan it ships in (after you wipe the condensation out and spray a little cooking spray) and it comes out great, but like I said - it's a casserole
I love Chicago.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/26/2022 8:58 pm : link
But I hate their pizza. NY/NJ/CT pizza is unparalleled...must be the water.
I love all pizza  
Bob from Massachusetts : 5/26/2022 9:08 pm : link
thin crust, thick crust, it's all good (not with pineapple!). I grew up in New York and that's what I've been used to, love Chicago deep dish, and Boston, which has its issues with pizza but does have some good places (not as bad as the bagel situation!). Bread, cheese, sauce, pepperoni, sausage, mushrooms, onions....what's not to like?
pj  
CRinCA : 5/26/2022 9:14 pm : link
I wish I could order a clam pizza from your area. While I’ve not tried New Haven in general, it’s really just the clam that I crave trying.
It isn’t pizza  
UConn4523 : 5/26/2022 9:20 pm : link
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RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15719281 CRinCA said:
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I wish I could order a clam pizza from your area. While I’ve not tried New Haven in general, it’s really just the clam that I crave trying.


Not my favorite, but people swear by it. it's definitely a distinctive flavor. Pepe's makes the best clam pie.
RE: I have ordered Lou Malnati's from goldbelly  
Johnny5 : 5/26/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15719254 pjcas18 said:
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it's good - especially for frozen/goldbelly, but it's more casserole than pizza.

I had it directly from Lou Malnatis when I was in Aurora a couple of years ago. Absolutely amazing. Definitely not much resemblance to traditional pizza but holy crap was it good. And I could barely finish one piece lol
Lou's  
Mook80 : 5/26/2022 9:34 pm : link
is my least favorite of all of the chicago deep dish places that you can get to ship to you but it's still solid. Giordanos and Ginos East are much better imo
pj  
CRinCA : 5/26/2022 9:35 pm : link
This dude Tony made it it big in the pizza world winning various awards unknown for an American and all that. I don’t usually jump on hype but this guy knows his shit. Linked is his SF menu.

Multiple types of ovens and differing temps to accommodate different regional pizza styles! I find it incredibly creative and attractive food wise. Not sure if you’re familiar with what he categorizes as “New Haven” pizza but I would pretty much eat the shit out of this entire menu. And yes even the St. Louis stuff.

https://tonyspizzanapoletana.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/TPN_Dinner_Menu_05092022_220424.pdf
Order Pequods  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/26/2022 9:35 pm : link
Much much much better
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15719314 CRinCA said:
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This dude Tony made it it big in the pizza world winning various awards unknown for an American and all that. I don’t usually jump on hype but this guy knows his shit. Linked is his SF menu.

Multiple types of ovens and differing temps to accommodate different regional pizza styles! I find it incredibly creative and attractive food wise. Not sure if you’re familiar with what he categorizes as “New Haven” pizza but I would pretty much eat the shit out of this entire menu. And yes even the St. Louis stuff.

https://tonyspizzanapoletana.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/TPN_Dinner_Menu_05092022_220424.pdf


I'll check it out - my wife's great aunt one Christmas when we were dating was making conversation and asked me my favorite food so I said pizza and she busted my balls about it like only a 90-year old woman can, lol. it's true, pizza is my favorite food and I make no apologies about it.
pj- cool let me know what you think  
CRinCA : 5/26/2022 9:56 pm : link
I just noticed he’s on Goldbelly if you’re interested.
Pizza  
Bigislandfan : 5/26/2022 9:57 pm : link
NY pizza is thin crust fold and eat. Chicago pizza is deep dish knife and fork.
RE: Lou's  
Johnny5 : 5/26/2022 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15719311 Mook80 said:
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is my least favorite of all of the chicago deep dish places that you can get to ship to you but it's still solid. Giordanos and Ginos East are much better imo

Really? I had to go out to Panduit research facility in Tinley Park (I said Aurora before but I remembered it was Tinley Park), and one of the days there the guys that hosted us were raving about how they set us up pizza for lunch one day from Lou Malnati's. I wasn't sure what to expect, but when we got it, it literally looked like giant apple Pie. You cut these big wedges from the pie. It really was as good as they made it out lol. Delicious. But I could barely finish one slice, and I didn't eat for the rest of the day... lol. Not sure what it's like shipped/frozen but that was my experience with it.
Is not pizza  
big_blue : 5/26/2022 10:27 pm : link
Is a casserole.
Detroit pizza is 1000x better than Chicago pizza  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/27/2022 1:43 am : link
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Just go to your local Uno's  
VTChuck : 5/27/2022 10:33 am : link
(ducks)
RE: Is not pizza  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/27/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15719368 big_blue said:
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Is a casserole.




Call it what you want. It's fucking delicious.

Can we have a pinned thread with the rules for identifying pizza, and acceptable uses for condiments?

Deep dish is ite for what it is  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/27/2022 11:04 am : link
a pizza in cake form, can't go too horribly wrong piling on cheese, pepperoni, marinara, peppers etc., just none of that california pizza crap.

Still nothing in comparison to a good NYC street slice. The sharp tartness and slight sweetness of a thin marinara, combined with the mellow creaminess and slight saltiness of a good soft mutz on top of a thin yeasty soft dough crusted into a crispy crunchy slightly charred and smokey breading.

Three ingredients. Restraint is the acme of deliciousness.
RE: It isn’t pizza  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 5/27/2022 11:10 am : link
In comment 15719286 UConn4523 said:
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This. Not to be a snob, but it's a circular, doughy lasagna. It's good, but I have no idea how they call it pizza. It's like someone who had never eaten pizza described it to an extra terrestrial and they did their best.
Gross  
NY17NE14 : 5/27/2022 11:14 am : link
While in Chicago for business, my colleagues insisted on going to Giordano's for their deep-dish pizza...claiming it was superior to any NY pizza.

Overwhelmingly disappointing. It was TONS of cheese between two laters of bread with some sauce. That is not pizza IMO.
#NotMyPizza  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/27/2022 11:24 am : link
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I'm a lover of all pizza  
TXRabbit : 5/27/2022 12:43 pm : link
Except pineapple or any meat that's not pork-based, lol

Chicago deep-dish is pretty easy to make.

1 cup all-purpose flour
6-7 Tablespoons water
3 Tablespoons oil. Many places use a lighter blended oil (Olive + Canola etc)
3/4 teaspoon yeast (instant/active/dry)
1/2 teaspoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt (Kosher if you can)


Mix for 1 minute, then knead for no more than 2.
Let rise for about 6 hours or so, covered in a proofing container or counter with cloth over.
Punch down, then cover and let the gluten relax for 10-15 minutes or so.
Then either roll it out or press into a pan. I used a greased cast-iron skillet.
Add cheese, toppings, sauce. bake a 450 for around 30 minutes--you'll have to experiment with time and rack placement

For the sauce, get some good quality whole peeled tomatoes and crush them by hand (drain the juice). Add garlic, oregano, basil, etc. I add sugar to mine.

Fresh-grated mozz and lots of it. I make a blend of 2 parts part-skim/low moisture to 1 part whole milk.

If adding stuff like sausage, I put that down immediately on top of the dough, raw. It'll cook and NO, it won't make the crust greasy.
Then add the cheese and sauce it on top. Dust some parm/romano on top

Enjoy :-)

I just got back from Chicago a few weeks ago. We got some deep dish  
Heisenberg : 5/27/2022 2:07 pm : link
there and it was great. I'm from New Haven area so I'm more or less a pizza snob.

Is it what I'd call pizza? Not really. Is it all pizza ingredients put together in a completely different proportions? Yep. So it tastes good. But it truly is more like a pizza pot pie than anything else.

We went to Giordanos and I watched a video how they prepare the pie.
1) thin crust layer in bottom.
2) On top of that, like 3/4 inch of "toppings" (cheese, meat, veg).
3) On top of that, another layer of dough - holes made to release steam
4) Sauce on top of that.

Baked at 465 degrees for 45 minutes - it's like a loaf.

New Haven pizza is traditional pizza, thin crust and baked for like 6 -8 minutes at 800 degree coal fired oven.

They're not even really the same thing. You might as well compare pizza to a calzone.

That said, it's delicious and we brought back 3 frozen Giordanos pizzas on the plane.
RE: Detroit pizza is 1000x better than Chicago pizza  
BH28 : 5/27/2022 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15719412 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Second.
RE: Just go to your local Uno's  
djm : 5/27/2022 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15719555 VTChuck said:
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(ducks)


lol I am glad I looked through all the comments first as I was going to try and be funny and say this.

Wasn't my time I guess.

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