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Jay on the Island : 5/27/2022 12:50 pm
Wow I just finished both episodes and this show is incredible so far. The ending of episode 2 was awesome.
Lucas is a terrible people director  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/27/2022 1:16 pm : link
but he's an excellent producer and caster. Just compare to the horrible job Disney did with the movies with a bunch of actors I can't even remember.

A series with Liam Neeson would also make bank bro.
Obi-Wan  
ThatMetalRocker : 5/27/2022 1:33 pm : link
Plan on watching it tonight, can't wait!
Thanks for the tip. I'll have to check it out  
Ira : 5/27/2022 1:50 pm : link
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Cant wait for for the complaints  
cjac : 5/27/2022 2:33 pm : link
about the message Leia left for Obi-Wan with R2D2, in a New Hope

"why did she say you helped my father in the clone wars, why wouldnt you say, you helped me when i was 10 and got kidnapped"
RE: Cant wait for for the complaints  
Jay on the Island : 5/27/2022 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15719733 cjac said:
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about the message Leia left for Obi-Wan with R2D2, in a New Hope

"why did she say you helped my father in the clone wars, why wouldnt you say, you helped me when i was 10 and got kidnapped"

Which makes me believe that we are going to have an Obi-Wan vs. Vader fight even though in a new hope Vader says that the last time they met Vader was the apprentice.
Chacun- Disney  
Dave on the UWS : 5/27/2022 3:47 pm : link
retconning Canon- Again! And fucking it up. I seriously doubt they will explain it by series end either. That being said, Deborah Chow “gets” Star Wars. Her Mandalorian episodes were very good, and I liked these as well. She’s solid and consistent, if not spectacular.
it depends  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2022 4:48 pm : link
on where they go with this... if they turn Obi-wan into some sort of screw up who didn't really save and protect Luke, then this is going to be more BS that destroys the franchise.

They already destroyed Luke's legacy.
I liked it  
LTPS5611 : 5/27/2022 5:14 pm : link
I had no clue Leia was going to be in it. The girl played her really well. In A New Hope, when Vader says, “when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master." Could have meant he was still learning about the dark side, but now he is a master of it.
RE: it depends  
Route 9 : 5/27/2022 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15719847 Eric from BBI said:
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on where they go with this... if they turn Obi-wan into some sort of screw up who didn't really save and protect Luke, then this is going to be more BS that destroys the franchise.

They already destroyed Luke's legacy.


All 3 of those 2010s Star Wars movies were awful. I skipped just about everything in the first one. The second one I'm surprised I got through all of it.

The last one, I only watched it because I had a free movie ticket that was about to expire. I walked out of the movies because it was so lame.

I'm done with Star Wars.
RE: it depends  
Jay on the Island : 5/27/2022 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15719847 Eric from BBI said:
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on where they go with this... if they turn Obi-wan into some sort of screw up who didn't really save and protect Luke, then this is going to be more BS that destroys the franchise.

They already destroyed Luke's legacy.

Yea I think they learned from that mistake.
RE: RE: it depends  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/27/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15719924 Route 9 said:
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on where they go with this... if they turn Obi-wan into some sort of screw up who didn't really save and protect Luke, then this is going to be more BS that destroys the franchise.

They already destroyed Luke's legacy.



All 3 of those 2010s Star Wars movies were awful. I skipped just about everything in the first one. The second one I'm surprised I got through all of it.

The last one, I only watched it because I had a free movie ticket that was about to expire. I walked out of the movies because it was so lame.

I'm done with Star Wars.


I watched the first one and realized I am the only sane person and everyone else is insane and trying to steal my magic hat when all reviewers were giving it a 95+ rating and viewers were raving about the it. Disney marketing money for you.
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2022 9:12 pm : link
Inquisitors are ruining this. Horribly cast and can't act.
Anyone recognize  
antdog24 : 5/27/2022 10:16 pm : link
Flea from RHCP?

Agree with Eric, the inquisitors and the acting/dialog... terrible. Otherwise, solid first two episodes.
RE: Anyone recognize  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2022 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15720043 antdog24 said:
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Flea from RHCP?

Agree with Eric, the inquisitors and the acting/dialog... terrible. Otherwise, solid first two episodes.


I just don't think it holds up to the Mandalorian, which was surprisingly good throughout.

I love the nostalgia factor, but I found myself bored in parts of it, and I didn't feel that way with the Mandalorian.

Also, HUGE plot issue... how the heck does Reva know that Darth Vader was Anakin. No one knows that except the Emperor.
Also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2022 10:21 pm : link
a few of the characters feel like they were taken off of the street of modern day planet Earth. It took me out of the story.
RE: RE: Anyone recognize  
antdog24 : 5/27/2022 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15720044 Eric from BBI said:
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Flea from RHCP?

Agree with Eric, the inquisitors and the acting/dialog... terrible. Otherwise, solid first two episodes.



I just don't think it holds up to the Mandalorian, which was surprisingly good throughout.

I love the nostalgia factor, but I found myself bored in parts of it, and I didn't feel that way with the Mandalorian.

Also, HUGE plot issue... how the heck does Reva know that Darth Vader was Anakin. No one knows that except the Emperor.


They may reveal soon that she may be getting orders directly from Vader himself. It only makes sense as to why she was going rouge and murdered the head inquisitor all so she could be the one to return Obi-wan to Vader.
RE: RE: Anyone recognize  
Jay on the Island : 5/27/2022 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15720044 Eric from BBI said:
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Also, HUGE plot issue... how the heck does Reva know that Darth Vader was Anakin. No one knows that except the Emperor.

That's the one thing that bothered me about the episodes well that and the John Wick level bounty on Obi-Wan where there are like 1000 bounty hunters in a small area. The thing I liked the most about the episode was the reveal that Obi-Wan didn't know that Darth Vader survived. That was a cool mind fuck but it was ruined a bit when she mentions Anakin Skywalker. As you said only a handful of people (The Emperor, Obi-Wan, Bail Organa, and Yoda) knew his true identity.
RE: Anyone recognize  
Jay on the Island : 5/27/2022 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15720043 antdog24 said:
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Flea from RHCP?

Agree with Eric, the inquisitors and the acting/dialog... terrible. Otherwise, solid first two episodes.

I didn't see any of the Clone War or other cartoons that are reportedly canon now but I was shocked to see the Grand Inquisitor killed so early. I assumed he was a huge character in those shows.
RE: RE: Anyone recognize  
Jay on the Island : 5/27/2022 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15720044 Eric from BBI said:
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I love the nostalgia factor, but I found myself bored in parts of it, and I didn't feel that way with the Mandalorian.

I really enjoyed the first two episodes but I agree the Mandalorian is better. So far this is much better than the Book of Boba Fett though.
RE: RE: Anyone recognize  
antdog24 : 5/27/2022 10:44 pm : link
In comment 15720057 Jay on the Island said:
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Flea from RHCP?

Agree with Eric, the inquisitors and the acting/dialog... terrible. Otherwise, solid first two episodes.


I didn't see any of the Clone War or other cartoons that are reportedly canon now but I was shocked to see the Grand Inquisitor killed so early. I assumed he was a huge character in those shows.

I had the same reaction... killed so easily. You can tell the difference between Deborah Chow and Dave Filoni/Jon Favreau directed series. That to me is the difference here.
RE: RE: RE: Anyone recognize  
Jay on the Island : 5/27/2022 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15720061 antdog24 said:
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he same reaction... killed so easily. You can tell the difference between Deborah Chow and Dave Filoni/Jon Favreau directed series. That to me is the difference here.

If Disney was wise they would put Favreau in charge of Star Wars the same way Kevin Feige runs Marvel.
Filoni  
antdog24 : 5/27/2022 10:50 pm : link
too. He nailed clone wars and rebels.... some of the best star wars series ever made. The guy understands the star wars universe. Which is why Favreau teamed up with him for Mando
Spiciest Fartlord  
Route 9 : 5/27/2022 11:57 pm : link
Oh shit. Multinational comapnies produce movies to make money and Star Wars was a cash grab? I never knew this entire time! Thanks for allowing me to swallow that truthful pill.

You are so fucking smart.

Lol wasn't everyone all "on board" with these films in advance because they got j.j. Abrams to sign on the dotted line? To say a few 48 year olds weren't disappointed and weren't excited for those crummy movies is a flat out lie.
It was ok.....I hope it gets better.  
George from PA : 5/28/2022 4:25 am : link
The potential is enormous....

The inquisitors which should be one of the better parts, were just stupid.

Leia was great...
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Giantology : 5/28/2022 5:03 am : link
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Flea from RHCP?

Agree with Eric, the inquisitors and the acting/dialog... terrible. Otherwise, solid first two episodes.


I didn't see any of the Clone War or other cartoons that are reportedly canon now but I was shocked to see the Grand Inquisitor killed so early. I assumed he was a huge character in those shows.


I had the same reaction... killed so easily. You can tell the difference between Deborah Chow and Dave Filoni/Jon Favreau directed series. That to me is the difference here.


Filoni/Favreau are the Executive Producers on this show. You can tell their presence and it is obvious that this is a Dave Filoni story... many of the beats used so far in these first 2 episodes were also used in The Mandalorian / Clone Wars.

There are rumors that Filoni is the one who fought hardest for the return of Hayden Christensen.
Grand Inquisitor  
Chocco : 5/28/2022 6:23 am : link
If we don't see more of him I will be really disappointed. It doesn't fit with Rebels and the comics storyline and makes the character a very weak.
Jay on the Island  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/28/2022 6:25 am : link
The Clone Wars are fantastic, and in some ways redeem the prequel trilogy. Knowing the characters from that make the Mandalorian even better since the Mandalorian has a number of important tie-ins with the Clone Wars.
The Reva actor  
TommyWiseau : 5/28/2022 7:33 am : link
And character is bad, her acting was awful.
The acting is comical  
Tom from LI : 5/28/2022 8:53 am : link
also nobody can catch Leia? Holy crap the kidnapping scene was one of the worst things I have ever seen.

What's all this with Obi-Wan having nightmares and regret.. like Anakin..

He is a Jedi Knight.. he should know that Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.... Suffering leads to fear.. This is what they preached to Anakin through Episodes 1 to 3.


Obi-Wan should have better control over that.

They better not do to Obi-Wan what they did to Luke...
RE: The acting is comical  
Chocco : 5/28/2022 9:20 am : link
In comment 15720199 Tom from LI said:
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also nobody can catch Leia? Holy crap the kidnapping scene was one of the worst things I have ever seen.

What's all this with Obi-Wan having nightmares and regret.. like Anakin..

He is a Jedi Knight.. he should know that Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.... Suffering leads to fear.. This is what they preached to Anakin through Episodes 1 to 3.


Obi-Wan should have better control over that.

They better not do to Obi-Wan what they did to Luke...

It could explain why Obi Wan hung it up. He couldn't control his emotions. Why he did not help the Jedi that came to him and almost didn't help Leia
i thought the first two were solid...  
Italianju : 5/28/2022 9:44 am : link
not amazing and not bad. Im not too worried about plot holes a third of the way through. I mean ive watched rebels a couple times through and i dont remember it being said one way or another if the inquisitors knew who vader was. I mean it would make some sense that they are aware of his backstory. Especially since some of them are supposedly ex jedi i believe. THat said i was disappointed in them, they were just ehh, ehh acting, ehh dialogue. But again we are only a third of way into it.

And at least in the TV universe its pretty clear that Filoni is in the Feige role, as he should be. Hopefully they let him have more control over movies.
and its def clear...  
Italianju : 5/28/2022 9:45 am : link
that killing Anakin (he assumed he had) and order 66 and everything messed Obi-wan up. They were clear in saying he is not the jedi master he was. This isnt him from the prequels or anything else. This is a broken version of him. Maybe part of the ark of this show will be him trying to be the Jedi master he used to be.
I'm in the minority on this  
LTPS5611 : 5/28/2022 10:03 am : link
I had no problem with how Luke’s death was handled. The force is used for knowledge and defense, never for attack. He used his knowledge to defend his friends so they could escape. Sure it would have been cool to see him go down in a blaze of glory. I would think however, projecting yourself from one planet to another is more of an exhausting and advanced use of the force than swinging your light saber around while battling the 1st order.

Uncle Owen did have the best roast ever. "Like you trained his father"
Another thing that bothered me  
Jay on the Island : 5/28/2022 10:11 am : link
Was when Reva sensed Luke at the end but not on Tatooine when she was threatening Owen with Obi-Wan 20 feet away. I assumed that Obi-Wan shut out the force similar to how Luke did in the last Jedi so that’s why he wasn’t sensed.
RE: and its def clear...  
Chocco : 5/28/2022 10:24 am : link
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that killing Anakin (he assumed he had) and order 66 and everything messed Obi-wan up. They were clear in saying he is not the jedi master he was. This isnt him from the prequels or anything else. This is a broken version of him. Maybe part of the ark of this show will be him trying to be the Jedi master he used to be.

Also gives the opening for a Qui-Gon Jinn appearance or a ghost of
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Spiciest Memelord : 5/28/2022 11:34 am : link
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Flea from RHCP?

Agree with Eric, the inquisitors and the acting/dialog... terrible. Otherwise, solid first two episodes.


I didn't see any of the Clone War or other cartoons that are reportedly canon now but I was shocked to see the Grand Inquisitor killed so early. I assumed he was a huge character in those shows.


I had the same reaction... killed so easily. You can tell the difference between Deborah Chow and Dave Filoni/Jon Favreau directed series. That to me is the difference here.



Filoni/Favreau are the Executive Producers on this show. You can tell their presence and it is obvious that this is a Dave Filoni story... many of the beats used so far in these first 2 episodes were also used in The Mandalorian / Clone Wars.

There are rumors that Filoni is the one who fought hardest for the return of Hayden Christensen.


Filoni is a full on fanboi and cosplays as Jedi Master Plo Kloon - mad Star Wars fan respect and props. That's what makes him a good producer unlike the dopes in suit who ran the train wreck hauling dummpster fires movie franchise into the ground.
Does Reva have  
BNY Giants Club : 5/28/2022 11:40 am : link
a personal vendetta against Obi-Wan? Or is her obsession with finding him simply to impress Vader and gain status?
RE: Does Reva have  
Italianju : 5/28/2022 11:46 am : link
In comment 15720278 BNY Giants Club said:
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a personal vendetta against Obi-Wan? Or is her obsession with finding him simply to impress Vader and gain status?


my guess is both. I think we will probably learn why she hates him so much. Just trying to impress vader seems kinda lame. That said they said she wasnt like a jedi youngling or anything, so im not sure where she and obi-wan would have crossed paths. Maybe she showed a strong connection to the force as a child but obi-wan "sensed the dark side" or some jedi crap, ha, when he came to check her out.
There were parts that weren't great...  
Jan in DC : 5/28/2022 12:01 pm : link
but that's just knit picking at this point. Honestly I was not looking forward to this show at all and I thought the first two episodes were really good.

Also I know that people didn't like the sequel trilogies, but George Lucas's prequels were godawful. I still maintain the "sand" scene was one of the worst scenes I've ever seen in cinema.

You can complain about the Disney effect, but Lucas did his best to try to sink the franchise well before that. I'm just glad to have some new good Star Wars content.
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Giantology : 5/28/2022 12:06 pm : link
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Flea from RHCP?

Agree with Eric, the inquisitors and the acting/dialog... terrible. Otherwise, solid first two episodes.


I didn't see any of the Clone War or other cartoons that are reportedly canon now but I was shocked to see the Grand Inquisitor killed so early. I assumed he was a huge character in those shows.


I had the same reaction... killed so easily. You can tell the difference between Deborah Chow and Dave Filoni/Jon Favreau directed series. That to me is the difference here.



Filoni/Favreau are the Executive Producers on this show. You can tell their presence and it is obvious that this is a Dave Filoni story... many of the beats used so far in these first 2 episodes were also used in The Mandalorian / Clone Wars.

There are rumors that Filoni is the one who fought hardest for the return of Hayden Christensen.



Filoni is a full on fanboi and cosplays as Jedi Master Plo Kloon - mad Star Wars fan respect and props. That's what makes him a good producer unlike the dopes in suit who ran the train wreck hauling dummpster fires movie franchise into the ground.


Oh I agree, he's awesome. He is basically our modern day George Lucas - has all the secrets to the stories and characters from George himself, and clearly understands the universe in a way that very few others do. I just meant to say that nothing in these shows is happening without Filoni's knowledge and approval, even if Deborah Chow is directing it
RE: Does Reva have  
rich in DC : 5/28/2022 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15720278 BNY Giants Club said:
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a personal vendetta against Obi-Wan? Or is her obsession with finding him simply to impress Vader and gain status?


My guess is that she is Darth Vader’s secret apprentice and he’s hiding her among the inquisitors. Remember as well that the inquisitors are direct reports to Vader, not the Emperor. They may know more about Vader than most.
RE: Grand Inquisitor  
Chocco : 5/28/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15720126 Chocco said:
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If we don't see more of him I will be really disappointed. It doesn't fit with Rebels and the comics storyline and makes the character a very weak.

For those that haven't seen Rebels this article describes it. Given Filoni is involved in this, I would imagine they explain it in the coming episodes.
Grand inquisitor - ( New Window )
Liked It Alot  
Percy : 5/28/2022 5:21 pm : link
Hard to say that looking back on Star Wars long ago now, with so much changed or changing in our present day, but so much of the mood, cleverness, and humor of it is captured in these two too brief episodes. Reward yourself. Sign up and take a look.
Mixed bag for me  
Jim in Forest Hills : 5/28/2022 6:04 pm : link
I mean I dont expect world class action but those thugs chasing Leia in the woods looked like a HS video.

I think the Inquisitors are one note and that note is bad. The Grand inquisitor was trying to show some personality but he's already gone. Want to blame the actors but its equally script.

Understanding they have to make a character struggle, you can see Obi Wan's journey already, how they execute the rest of the way will be key.

It shows how difficult it is to direct an entire series vs an episode. You can kind of see where Deborah put her efforts (Reva's rooftop shots) and where she's stretching (Leia chase scene). Just less time to see everything and quality goes down.

Still hope it can right itself and be a fun show.
RE: Does Reva have  
Jay on the Island : 5/28/2022 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15720278 BNY Giants Club said:
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a personal vendetta against Obi-Wan? Or is her obsession with finding him simply to impress Vader and gain status?

As of now it appears that she wants to kill/capture Obi-Wan to gain recognition from Vader. Besides a promotion her motivation could be to become Vaders apprentice. I think that there will also be a twist revealed where Obi-Wan killed someone close to her which is why she was found in the "gutter".
Re: the kidnapping scene  
Scooter185 : 5/28/2022 8:40 pm : link
I believe the idea was to make them look incompetent.
Actually  
Jay on the Island : 5/28/2022 9:28 pm : link
after rewatching the beginning I think the first Padawan shown at the beginning of episode 1 was Reva.
I turned it off 1/2 way through Episode 2  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/28/2022 10:29 pm : link
...it's fucking awful. Boring... horrible acting... I guess they are trying to stay true to the prequels, LOL.

Maybe if it picks up I'll give it another chance. But I would rank this below Book of Bobba Fett and Solo.
RE: I turned it off 1/2 way through Episode 2  
TheEvilLurker : 5/28/2022 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15720662 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...it's fucking awful. Boring... horrible acting... I guess they are trying to stay true to the prequels, LOL.

Maybe if it picks up I'll give it another chance. But I would rank this below Book of Bobba Fett and Solo.

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I have no idea what so.e of you are watching.  
FrankHuntington : 5/29/2022 11:04 pm : link
I just went through ep 1 and 2 and they were torture to watch. Horrendous. I would say it was cartoonish, but that would insult cartoons. Maybe one or two more episodes and then I let it go. Stupid 8 year old wise ass Leia that no adult can keep up with, lame ass Ewan McGregor who sucked in his first run as Obi Wan, no monsters, the inquisitors suck.

This is NOT off to a great start.
I have no idea what so.e of you are watching.  
FrankHuntington : 5/29/2022 11:14 pm : link
I just went through ep 1 and 2 and they were torture to watch. Horrendous. I would say it was cartoonish, but that would insult cartoons. Maybe one or two more episodes and then I let it go. Stupid 8 year old wise ass Leia that no adult can keep up with, lame ass Ewan McGregor who sucked in his first run as Obi Wan, no monsters, the inquisitors suck.

This is NOT off to a great start.
I liked it, but have my reservations  
Matt M. : 5/29/2022 11:26 pm : link
Like Eric, I have this feeling they may be ruining Obi-Wan, the way the sequels ruined Luke.
Not impressed so far.  
BigBlueBuff : 5/29/2022 11:49 pm : link
And how in the world do you not use the original musical themes? To see Luke and not hear the Skywalker theme was... jarring.
RE: The acting is comical  
cjac : 5/30/2022 7:56 am : link
In comment 15720199 Tom from LI said:
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also nobody can catch Leia? Holy crap the kidnapping scene was one of the worst things I have ever seen.

What's all this with Obi-Wan having nightmares and regret.. like Anakin..

He is a Jedi Knight.. he should know that Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.... Suffering leads to fear.. This is what they preached to Anakin through Episodes 1 to 3.


Obi-Wan should have better control over that.

They better not do to Obi-Wan what they did to Luke...


I’m glad someone else said it. That kidnapping scene was a joke. That falls on the director.
I enjoyed the first two  
Jay on the Island : 6/1/2022 10:16 am : link
but I just started episode 3 and the actress who plays Reva is just such a bad choice for this role. Her poor acting ruins the scenes that she's in.
Tried To Like It  
Percy : 6/1/2022 11:43 pm : link
Mistake. Poor in every respect. Pointless to continue.
Week, Eric, our worst fears are coming true  
Matt M. : 6/2/2022 8:45 am : link
They've turned Obi-wan into a shriveled, cowardly old man and a bumbling idiot. The crazy part is, he isn't that old. And, this is all by design, because there was never th confrontation with Darth before. And, he never met Leia after Bail took her. So far, this is completely shifting on Obi-wan's actual back story.

As an aside, what exactly was the point of casting Christiansen? He's in the suit and James Earl Jonesis the voice. Plus, he's not a physically imposing height like Vader was. So what's the big deal?
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