There is something that does not seem right in Baltimore land. It's pretty wide known that Lamar is acting as his own agent and wants the money some of the top QBs are getting but Baltimore has yet to commit to him.
Now he is skipping OTAs (voluntary mind you), but Lamar fired shots at Chris Simms for Simms calling him out for skipping OTAs and Lamar basically said - these are voluntary and Lamar will be Lamar.
What should be noted that Lamar had his worst year as a starter last year. Plus he suffered his first somewhat major injury as well and missed the last 5 games.
I have made no bones about my attitude towards Lamar that he is not a guy you an win with in the playoffs, so Baltimore letting him walk may not be the worst idea. They got rid of his best WR as well.
Seems like things arent to swell there unless I am missing something?
He is a great player, but I think he needs a lot of pieces around him for them to actually win the superbowl.
Agreed
We should have their problems......but with that said it's a bit of a weird bind. Will Jackson improve even just ever so slightly or just enough to perhaps become a more cerebral type player in January? Does he even have to or was the team overmatched in those playoff games and Jackson, like any QB just takes the brunt of the criticism. Or will Jackson start to slowly regress? He's an athletic marvel...athleticism doesn't last forever especially when the QB takes so many shots.
Tough debate. My money is on him re-signing with the Ravens.
Harbaugh has had a nice run in Baltimore but tough to keep it going. Based on this year I could see both going at years end.
We should have their problems......but with that said it's a bit of a weird bind. Will Jackson improve even just ever so slightly or just enough to perhaps become a more cerebral type player in January? Does he even have to or was the team overmatched in those playoff games and Jackson, like any QB just takes the brunt of the criticism. Or will Jackson start to slowly regress? He's an athletic marvel...athleticism doesn't last forever especially when the QB takes so many shots.
Tough debate. My money is on him re-signing with the Ravens.
Perhaps someone can win with him in the playoffs, but so far he’s been terrible….
He’s remarkably stayed healthy for the most part in his young career, but age is not going to be his friend with that massive amount of rushing. I can see him breaking down very quickly.
I would be very hesitant to throw big money at a player who is essentially a QB/RB hybrid.
He’s remarkably stayed healthy for the most part in his young career, but age is not going to be his friend with that massive amount of rushing. I can see him breaking down very quickly.
I would be very hesitant to throw big money at a player who is essentially a QB/RB hybrid.
Like Tannehill.
LJax isn't a run first QB. He's a dual threat QB who happens to be a great runner.
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tend to disappear in the playoffs. It's a long season and D's are extra amped.
LJax isn't a run first QB. He's a dual threat QB who happens to be a great runner.
He's better running than throwing, so I dont agree with that statement. He and Hurts may be the worst throwing starters in the league.
I agree, he’s a great playmaker and a star in the regular season but he has struggled in the playoffs because DC’s take away his running lanes. Baltimore is in a tough spot with him. They always seem to make the right decision so we will see what happens.
LJax isn't a run first QB. He's a dual threat QB who happens to be a great runner.
He's better running than throwing, so I dont agree with that statement. He and Hurts may be the worst throwing starters in the league.
Comparing Jax to Hurts as a thrower is simply insane. Jax had two years in a row as a top ten in the NFL in QBR - 1st in 2019 and 7th in 2020. He led the league in TD passes in 2019.
Hurts hasn't sniffed that type of success.
They are both right-handed. So, I guess you have that...
Its also why he will never have a #1 WR, IMO. He can't throw guys open and he can't buy time until they get open. If he buys time, its to run. Thus run first.
Yes and no. Jackson is a problem passing so it is hard to judge their WR. Brown and Bateman looked really good but there is a huge reason why Brown forced his way out.
I think Jackson can win one but if I tweak your statement then I agree. "You're not winning a SB with LJ on a huge contract as your QB."
That's really the issue. Most teams would love Jackson. I am going to say far less like him as a top paid player in the NFL.
Its also why he will never have a #1 WR, IMO. He can't throw guys open and he can't buy time until they get open. If he buys time, its to run. Thus run first.
You don't go 36/6 and 26/9 - TDs/INTs ratio - in back to back years, and with no #1 WR, without an ability to read defenses.
The Ravens/Roman run Jax because he's one of the greatest run threats in the history of the NFL. Should they not exploit that great skill?
Now, I'm not saying Jax is on the same level as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, etc. But he's a top 10-12 passing QB in the league. The numbers support that. I agree that he certainly needs to improve, but he's much better than the posters on the thread are willing to concede.
To the OP's remarks, I do think the Ravens need to give think very carefully about giving Jax top dollar. There injury variable can't be overlooked.
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was RG3 a run first QB? Run first in the sense that he has 1 read and if its not there, he looks to run. That's absolutely Ljax. Theres a reason he's looked pedestrian in the playoffs and can't elevate his team, its because you need to pass from the pocket at some point. You need to be able to go through progressions because teams are too good in the playoffs.
Its also why he will never have a #1 WR, IMO. He can't throw guys open and he can't buy time until they get open. If he buys time, its to run. Thus run first.
You don't go 36/6 and 26/9 - TDs/INTs ratio - in back to back years, and with no #1 WR, without an ability to read defenses.
The Ravens/Roman run Jax because he's one of the greatest run threats in the history of the NFL. Should they not exploit that great skill?
Now, I'm not saying Jax is on the same level as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, etc. But he's a top 10-12 passing QB in the league. The numbers support that. I agree that he certainly needs to improve, but he's much better than the posters on the thread are willing to concede.
To the OP's remarks, I do think the Ravens need to give think very carefully about giving Jax top dollar. There injury variable can't be overlooked.
It sounds like your experience with LJax is reading box scores. Did you watch him at all(not questioning you, asking you)? He can read defenses, but when his first read isn't there, he often(not always) runs.
I think the Ravens system since drafting him has been perfect considering his skillset. That being said, theres a reason they've failed so much in the playoffs.
He probably saw more 1 on 1 coverage and had open guys because he can run around and hit guys who were wide open.
But as a thrower he is one of the worst in the league. I’ve seen him throw better ground balls than some MLB hitters
A)regressed every year since his MVP
B) teams have learned to scheme him
C) or both.
Because his numbers have gotten worse. He’s a dynamic play maker who can do things no other QB can do. He might be the best QB to have the lead with. However, as a pure thrower - it’s not there.
This season is a big one for him after last year's mediocre season and injury
He still doesnt throw well, still doesnt read defenses, suffered his first big injury, and has a poor playoff record
You don't go 36/6 and 26/9 - TDs/INTs ratio - in back to back years, and with no #1 WR, without an ability to read defenses.
The Ravens/Roman run Jax because he's one of the greatest run threats in the history of the NFL. Should they not exploit that great skill?
Now, I'm not saying Jax is on the same level as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, etc. But he's a top 10-12 passing QB in the league. The numbers support that. I agree that he certainly needs to improve, but he's much better than the posters on the thread are willing to concede.
To the OP's remarks, I do think the Ravens need to give think very carefully about giving Jax top dollar. There injury variable can't be overlooked.
It sounds like your experience with LJax is reading box scores. Did you watch him at all(not questioning you, asking you)? He can read defenses, but when his first read isn't there, he often(not always) runs.
No, I just know what I'm watching. And know that Jax has an incredible skill that the Ravens know how to exploit.
The object of an offense is to score points, led by the QB. And in 2019 and 2020, the Ravens were 1st and 7th in the league in PPG.
Again, there is room for improvement. But to suggest Jax has these enormous passing limitations shows a complete lack of understanding of his skills.
No surprise.
The lack of understanding of the Greg Roman offense. And how Jax executes it.
Roman ran a similar variation in San Fran with Kaepernick.
Top QB money eats up so much of the cap, you need them to truly be elite to win with what you can afford to surround them with.
Or, you can give yourself a small window like the Rams did.
IMO, something has to be done to reign in the starting QB contracts. Not sure the market is working to correct it.
If, for instance, Daniel Jones plays like the 20th best QB in the NFL next season. Does he merit &40 mil/year. No
$20 mil/year? Maybe?
Would someone give hime more?
There has to be some kind of market correction.
He isn’t back there picking defenses in the pocket. He extends plays. He uses his legs to demand defenses attention. He is a very very poor thrower of the ball which is what we are trying to say.
No one mentioned his PPG. PPG is a team stat. YA/AYA can be manipulated as a stat that you just look at it without merit. In order to understand Lamars throwing limitations- you need to actually watch him every week.
No one here has said he isn’t dynamic - he is. But that style usually doesn’t lead to playoff success. Throw in a mediocre year this past year - there are huge question marks going forward.
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was RG3 a run first QB? Run first in the sense that he has 1 read and if its not there, he looks to run. That's absolutely Ljax. Theres a reason he's looked pedestrian in the playoffs and can't elevate his team, its because you need to pass from the pocket at some point. You need to be able to go through progressions because teams are too good in the playoffs.
Its also why he will never have a #1 WR, IMO. He can't throw guys open and he can't buy time until they get open. If he buys time, its to run. Thus run first.
You don't go 36/6 and 26/9 - TDs/INTs ratio - in back to back years, and with no #1 WR, without an ability to read defenses.
The Ravens/Roman run Jax because he's one of the greatest run threats in the history of the NFL. Should they not exploit that great skill?
Now, I'm not saying Jax is on the same level as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, etc. But he's a top 10-12 passing QB in the league. The numbers support that. I agree that he certainly needs to improve, but he's much better than the posters on the thread are willing to concede.
To the OP's remarks, I do think the Ravens need to give think very carefully about giving Jax top dollar. There injury variable can't be overlooked.
Jackson is almost unprecedented. Michael Vick and a few other guys were as good as a runner, but he's different, and that makes it hard to gauge the best path forward with him.
If he's going to play like a running back, you'd expect him to have a RB's career arc, which means his production is likely to fall off a cliff after he turns 30. And, as everyone's noted, he has fizzled in the playoffs. That will hang over him until he proves the doubters wrong.
But the big unanswered question is: Can he evolve his game so he's more selective about running and becomes more of a passer, and thereby protect his body. Huge unknown. If he can, he's worth a longer-term investment. If not, the Ravens are smart not to commit to him long-term. I think they are hedging. Rightly so.
The correct decision is to play out the year, let him go, start Hundley, and draft another running QB.
Now if Jackson were willing to take a **much** lower contract, one closer to a RB, then Baltimore could be open to that.
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was RG3 a run first QB? Run first in the sense that he has 1 read and if its not there, he looks to run. That's absolutely Ljax. Theres a reason he's looked pedestrian in the playoffs and can't elevate his team, its because you need to pass from the pocket at some point. You need to be able to go through progressions because teams are too good in the playoffs.
Its also why he will never have a #1 WR, IMO. He can't throw guys open and he can't buy time until they get open. If he buys time, its to run. Thus run first.
You don't go 36/6 and 26/9 - TDs/INTs ratio - in back to back years, and with no #1 WR, without an ability to read defenses.
The Ravens/Roman run Jax because he's one of the greatest run threats in the history of the NFL. Should they not exploit that great skill?
Now, I'm not saying Jax is on the same level as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, etc. But he's a top 10-12 passing QB in the league. The numbers support that. I agree that he certainly needs to improve, but he's much better than the posters on the thread are willing to concede.
To the OP's remarks, I do think the Ravens need to give think very carefully about giving Jax top dollar. There injury variable can't be overlooked.
Jackson is almost unprecedented. Michael Vick and a few other guys were as good as a runner, but he's different, and that makes it hard to gauge the best path forward with him.
If he's going to play like a running back, you'd expect him to have a RB's career arc, which means his production is likely to fall off a cliff after he turns 30. And, as everyone's noted, he has fizzled in the playoffs. That will hang over him until he proves the doubters wrong.
But the big unanswered question is: Can he evolve his game so he's more selective about running and becomes more of a passer, and thereby protect his body. Huge unknown. If he can, he's worth a longer-term investment. If not, the Ravens are smart not to commit to him long-term. I think they are hedging. Rightly so.
Believe it or not Vick actually learned how to pass so he was an effective QB even later in his career.
Cam Newton might be a better example. Newton was done at 30.
You don't go 36/6 and 26/9 - TDs/INTs ratio - in back to back years, and with no #1 WR, without an ability to read defenses.
The Ravens/Roman run Jax because he's one of the greatest run threats in the history of the NFL. Should they not exploit that great skill?
Now, I'm not saying Jax is on the same level as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, etc. But he's a top 10-12 passing QB in the league. The numbers support that. I agree that he certainly needs to improve, but he's much better than the posters on the thread are willing to concede.
To the OP's remarks, I do think the Ravens need to give think very carefully about giving Jax top dollar. There injury variable can't be overlooked.
Jackson is almost unprecedented. Michael Vick and a few other guys were as good as a runner, but he's different, and that makes it hard to gauge the best path forward with him.
If he's going to play like a running back, you'd expect him to have a RB's career arc, which means his production is likely to fall off a cliff after he turns 30. And, as everyone's noted, he has fizzled in the playoffs. That will hang over him until he proves the doubters wrong.
But the big unanswered question is: Can he evolve his game so he's more selective about running and becomes more of a passer, and thereby protect his body. Huge unknown. If he can, he's worth a longer-term investment. If not, the Ravens are smart not to commit to him long-term. I think they are hedging. Rightly so.
Good post here.
That is the crux of the issue - can Jax transform his game to pass more and run less, but still be the high-level point producer that he is.
My problem with many here is this supposition that Jax is a horrific passer who can barely complete a forward pass. The numbers suggest he's a lot closer to being consistently good passer than nosediving to the bottom of the league.
It’s a win-win for LJax. Team either pays him ridiculous money, takes the injury risk, and he delightfully plays on a bottom 10 offensive roster.
Or, they let him walk and another team delightfully pays him 50m+ with more guaranteed money than the Ravens would have ever agreed to and a less team-friendly deal, due to the ability to negotiate with more than one team.
Letting him walk would likely be best for both parties imo
They drafted him because they needed a new 1B and thought that maybe his game would evolve and it hasnt.
They drafted him because they needed a new 1B and thought that maybe his game would evolve and it hasnt.
Just a reminder, Jax was the MVP in 2019. You know, the award that means you were the best player in the league.
From nearly all accounts, the Ravens want to re-sign Jax. Apparently, the issue is the amount of money Jax is looking for...I mean, don't most high end QB negotiations normally take time?
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Is this outside of the box, genius team is such a canard of an argument. They drafted Jax because they took a chance on him learning to become a good, smart QB. While Jackson has incredible abilities, he has not improved from what he was in college. He has been successful because he plays behind one of the best O lines in football every year (last year may have been an exception....Im not familiar with the numbers tho) and he never comes up very big in the playoffs when he is facing defenses that make him have to throw the ball all the time. Now he is starting to get hurt. If Jackson was this excellent QB that some like bw in dc are saying he is and saying how we just dont understand the offense Roman is trying to run, why arent they in a rush to sign him long term? Makes no sense if he was the key to this Roman offense that is so effective and devastating that they are balking at the idea of giving him what he wants.
They drafted him because they needed a new 1B and thought that maybe his game would evolve and it hasnt.
Just a reminder, Jax was the MVP in 2019. You know, the award that means you were the best player in the league
And last year he put up numbers closer to Daniel Jones. So what is he?
Just a reminder, Jax was the MVP in 2019. You know, the award that means you were the best player in the league
And last year he put up numbers closer to Daniel Jones. So what is he?
Again, by QBR and AY/A or Y/A, Jax was a top ten QB in 2019 and 2020. He had an off year in 2021 largely because he got hurt.
Before he got injured, you do realize Jax was in the MVP discussion last year, right? Through his those eight games, he had 13TDs/6 INTs, completing 65% of his passes, QBR was around 53, 8.3 Y/A and 700 rushing yards. That was very solid production with all of the starting RBs out for the year, Staley out for the year, injuries at WR, Boyle out all year, etc.
It would be wise to leave Jones out of this conversation.
Regardless of whether LJ ever becomes a FA, the Giants should NOT go near the guy. The tread on those tires is getting worn fast. The leg injuries are piling up. If people think the tread on Barkley’s tires is low, LJ’s is worse. He also began showing signs this season of getting gun-shy in the pocket from the abuse he has taken behind bad OLs the past several seasons.
He simply isn’t the same QB he was even two years ago. Let another team tie up a quarter of their cap in him.
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Is this outside of the box, genius team is such a canard of an argument. They drafted Jax because they took a chance on him learning to become a good, smart QB. While Jackson has incredible abilities, he has not improved from what he was in college. He has been successful because he plays behind one of the best O lines in football every year (last year may have been an exception....Im not familiar with the numbers tho) and he never comes up very big in the playoffs when he is facing defenses that make him have to throw the ball all the time. Now he is starting to get hurt. If Jackson was this excellent QB that some like bw in dc are saying he is and saying how we just dont understand the offense Roman is trying to run, why arent they in a rush to sign him long term? Makes no sense if he was the key to this Roman offense that is so effective and devastating that they are balking at the idea of giving him what he wants.
They drafted him because they needed a new 1B and thought that maybe his game would evolve and it hasnt.
Just a reminder, Jax was the MVP in 2019. You know, the award that means you were the best player in the league
And last year he put up numbers closer to Daniel Jones. So what is he?
So he had a great year what will be 4 years ago....what has he done to advance the Ravens in the playoffs? You know, the point of finding and keeping players in the draft and free agency?
Im sttuggling to aee your point through your snarky as hell response to my very reasonable argument. You can be as flippant as you want, but yes, while Jackson put up Madden type numbers in 2019, he really hasnt been too spectacular and now he wants Boku dollars. I wouldnt give him Dax money much less Mahomes or Watson.