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Wink's a winner

mittenedman : 5/27/2022 2:53 pm
One thing I really liked about Wink's press conference? He isn't conceding anything. Wink's arguably the best DC in the NFL. The Giants really haven't had a guy like that in a long time. He's a winner, and he's got a winning attitude. He was genuinely pissed off when they were asking him if he expected to struggle this year.

For the players, that's infectious. A top ranked defense can take a team a long ways and the Giants real sneaky may have the personnel to do it.

Interestingly, he openly talked about his Head Coach aspirations. It sounds like that had a lot to do with leaving BAL. If he's able to to resurrect this Giants D it could unfortunately be a 1-and-done for Wink in NY.
Too bad it'll be short-lived  
Arkbach : 5/27/2022 3:01 pm : link
He wants to be a HC and if the Giants defense is good, he's gone. Thinking ahead to 2023 what DC should we wish for? Of course, maybe they won't be that good and he doesn't get an offer.
RE: Too bad it'll be short-lived  
Jints in Carolina : 5/27/2022 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15719756 Arkbach said:
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He wants to be a HC and if the Giants defense is good, he's gone. Thinking ahead to 2023 what DC should we wish for? Of course, maybe they won't be that good and he doesn't get an offer.


I'd be surprised if Wink became a HC.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/27/2022 3:04 pm : link
One, most teams want an offensive guy to put around a QB. Two, he's had plenty of chances. Three, he's older without that experience. I wish him the best but it is slim at this point in his career. It's not impossible. I would just say not likely.
RE: I'd be surprised if Wink became a HC.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/27/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15719760 robbieballs2003 said:
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One, most teams want an offensive guy to put around a QB. Two, he's had plenty of chances. Three, he's older without that experience. I wish him the best but it is slim at this point in his career. It's not impossible. I would just say not likely.


Yeah. I believe his time to be a HC has passed. If he didn’t get a HC gig when his Ds rocked for years and was younger, he’s not procuring one now, no matter what he does here, imo
Even a guy like Dan Quinn had a difficult time getting a HC job  
robbieballs2003 : 5/27/2022 3:15 pm : link
and he went to a SB and had a great year last year as a DC.
if he did leave for a HC job elsewhere  
KDavies : 5/27/2022 3:44 pm : link
it would be because the Giants were successful. My guess is Patterson in an in-house promotion. He has been assistant HC and co-DC with the Vikings. Though, I agree that the trend towards offense makes it unlikely he gets a HC position.
I love this sense of delusion or arrogance that fans have.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/27/2022 3:56 pm : link
Everyone always seems to think people want our coaches. The problem is we have sucked. If people, one day, actually take our coaches then that means we were successful so it is an easy tradeoff most of us would make.
RE: I love this sense of delusion or arrogance that fans have.  
Angel Eyes : 5/27/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15719814 robbieballs2003 said:
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Everyone always seems to think people want our coaches. The problem is we have sucked. If people, one day, actually take our coaches then that means we were successful so it is an easy tradeoff most of us would make.

Graham's defense not being that good didn't stop Oakland from hiring him.
This defense will be much better than people think  
kelly : 5/27/2022 4:07 pm : link
I think it will be top ten.

If the offense shows us anything we may win 9-10 games.
Do we lose Dabol after 5 years?  
Reale01 : 5/27/2022 4:07 pm : link
If he is successful here, he may decide to go someplace else for more money. The Dallas job may be open if the Giants are successful. They would love to steal the Giants head coach like they did with Parcells.
He's quietly walking into a good situation.  
mittenedman : 5/27/2022 4:08 pm : link
*Leonard Williams & Dexter Lawrence inside.

*Thibodeaux & a jacked up Azeez Ojulari off the edges. (Plus his tone-setter, Jihad Ward.)

*Blake Martinez back at MIKE.

That should be a pretty f*cking good front 7. And he's got Adoree (man coverage) & McKinney deep.

These guys will be in attack mode. Ideally - the Giants get LT/Banks-like impact at OLB with Thibs & Ojulari. One can dream.
RE: RE: I love this sense of delusion or arrogance that fans have.  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/27/2022 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15719820 Angel Eyes said:
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Everyone always seems to think people want our coaches. The problem is we have sucked. If people, one day, actually take our coaches then that means we were successful so it is an easy tradeoff most of us would make.


Graham's defense not being that good didn't stop Oakland from hiring him.


Didn't stop the Giants from hiring him either!

I'm here all week. What's the deal with airline peanuts?
RE: RE: I love this sense of delusion or arrogance that fans have.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/27/2022 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15719820 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 15719814 robbieballs2003 said:


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Everyone always seems to think people want our coaches. The problem is we have sucked. If people, one day, actually take our coaches then that means we were successful so it is an easy tradeoff most of us would make.


Graham's defense not being that good didn't stop Oakland from hiring him.


Lol. He's their HC? When it comes to coordinators, connections go a long way.
I may be proven dead wrong about this...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2022 4:23 pm : link
but he's the best hire we've had since Coughlin.
I really like the pairing of Wink and Daboll  
Ben in Tampa : 5/27/2022 4:25 pm : link
And I think Wink is gonna have a great run in NY.
If he gets a 1 and done off the 2022 season it means something great h  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/27/2022 4:40 pm : link
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Welp, Wink's a Winner  
M.S. : 5/27/2022 4:51 pm : link

Assuming the Giants can:

(1) stop the run;

(2) find an effective ILB to play next to a supposed healthy Blake Martinez;

(3) find an effective CB to replace James Bradberry;

(4) find an effective Safety complement to Xavier McKinney now that Jabrill Peppers and Logan Ryan are no longer with the team.
RE: Welp, Wink's a Winner  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15719848 M.S. said:
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Assuming the Giants can:

(1) stop the run;

(2) find an effective ILB to play next to a supposed healthy Blake Martinez;

(3) find an effective CB to replace James Bradberry;

(4) find an effective Safety complement to Xavier McKinney now that Jabrill Peppers and Logan Ryan are no longer with the team.


Players matter. But so does coaching.

The Giants have been poorly coached on defense for years.
RE: Do we lose Dabol after 5 years?  
Dr. D : 5/27/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15719823 Reale01 said:
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If he is successful here, he may decide to go someplace else for more money. The Dallas job may be open if the Giants are successful. They would love to steal the Giants head coach like they did with Parcells.

I don't recall the Giants ever losing a HC bc another team gave them more money.

I'm pretty sure Parcells didn't leave bc of money. It was supposedly health related and he wanted more control over drafting. And Dallas didn't exactly steal him from us. He went there years after he left the Giants.
RE: Welp, Wink's a Winner  
section125 : 5/27/2022 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15719848 M.S. said:
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Assuming the Giants can:

(1) stop the run;

(2) find an effective ILB to play next to a supposed healthy Blake Martinez;

(3) find an effective CB to replace James Bradberry;

(4) find an effective Safety complement to Xavier McKinney now that Jabrill Peppers and Logan Ryan are no longer with the team.


(4) I thought Love was a better safety then either Peppers or Ryan

(3) Next man up and Bradberry was not that good last year

(2) They drafted two guys likely better than Crowder

(1) Run defense will be better just with Martinez back, Ojulari in his 2nd year, Jihad Ward and Thibadeaux...
RE: Do we lose Dabol after 5 years?  
Ivan15 : 5/27/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15719823 Reale01 said:
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If he is successful here, he may decide to go someplace else for more money. The Dallas job may be open if the Giants are successful. They would love to steal the Giants head coach like they did with Parcells.


I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Who was the last HC to leave one team for another one? I’m not talking about getting fired and going directly for another team. Teams don’t let successful coaches leave.

And Dallas didn’t steal Parcells from the Giants. They stole him from a sports network. I don’t remember which one.
Martindale was the best DC hire they could have made. Giants needed  
Ivan15 : 5/27/2022 5:12 pm : link
A coordinator who could build a defense in a hurry while they redesign the offense. There may be a couple of DCs who are better and available but they needed the one who could build it the fastest.
RE: RE: Do we lose Dabol after 5 years?  
Reale01 : 5/27/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15719860 Ivan15 said:
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If he is successful here, he may decide to go someplace else for more money. The Dallas job may be open if the Giants are successful. They would love to steal the Giants head coach like they did with Parcells.



I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Who was the last HC to leave one team for another one? I’m not talking about getting fired and going directly for another team. Teams don’t let successful coaches leave.

And Dallas didn’t steal Parcells from the Giants. They stole him from a sports network. I don’t remember which one.


I was kidding Ivan - but you are correct on all counts.
I liked Graham and was hoping he’d stay  
Biteymax22 : 5/27/2022 5:30 pm : link
But being objective, Wink’s a much better DC and may have been our best addition this entire offseason.

He’s the first DC we’ve had in years I could envision leading defenses like we had in the 80’s.
RE: Martindale was the best DC hire they could have made. Giants needed  
TommyWiseau : 5/27/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15719865 Ivan15 said:
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A coordinator who could build a defense in a hurry while they redesign the offense. There may be a couple of DCs who are better and available but they needed the one who could build it the fastest.


How does Wink build a defense faster then Schwartz or Fangio? If you wanted to build a defense "faster" would you have did your best to retain Graham since he already had his defensive scheme already set?
RE: Do we lose Dabol after 5 years?  
Goin Deep : 5/27/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15719823 Reale01 said:
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If he is successful here, he may decide to go someplace else for more money. The Dallas job may be open if the Giants are successful. They would love to steal the Giants head coach like they did with Parcells.


Parcells left on his own accord. No one stole him from us.
He didnt coach Dallas until years later.
RE: RE: Welp, Wink's a Winner  
ColHowPepper : 5/27/2022 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15719857 section125 said:
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(4) I thought Love was a better safety then either Peppers or Ryan

(3) Next man up and Bradberry was not that good last year

(2) They drafted two guys likely better than Crowder

(1) Run defense will be better just with Martinez back, Ojulari in his 2nd year, Jihad Ward and Thibadeaux...

I like your countdown, section!:
4/ Peppers is a very good S in the box, not so much in coverage; I think Love might be the reverse = a wash?
3/ Bradberry might have developed Jackrabbit syndrome under the Giants' coaching staff of clowns and Clown in Chief DG
2/ I hope you're; Beavers our 6th intrigues, Sy' too
1/ Could be

Like robbie says about our coaching staff, equally true here about draft picks and FA signings
I liked Graham but that 80-0 composite score in the last two minutes  
Del Shofner : 5/27/2022 6:11 pm : link
of the half, or whatever that horrendous stat was from last year, made me want someone more aggressive like Wink. Obviously that stat was on the O as well, to some extent, but we really need a D that's less predictable, which I think is the key to Wink's system. I'm looking forward to seeing it in action.
If Daboll is a success here...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/27/2022 6:14 pm : link
I don't see us allowing him to leave for greener pastures. Only Gruden come to mind as a very successful HC leaving somewhere for another gig with no time off.
RE: RE: Martindale was the best DC hire they could have made. Giants needed  
SirLoinOfBeef : 5/27/2022 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15719880 TommyWiseau said:
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A coordinator who could build a defense in a hurry while they redesign the offense. There may be a couple of DCs who are better and available but they needed the one who could build it the fastest.



How does Wink build a defense faster then Schwartz or Fangio? If you wanted to build a defense "faster" would you have did your best to retain Graham since he already had his defensive scheme already set?


But that scheme was bad. I think Wink is lightyears ahead of Graham as a DC. Honestly, I don't get the love for Graham.
RE: RE: RE: Martindale was the best DC hire they could have made. Giants needed  
TommyWiseau : 5/27/2022 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15719901 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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A coordinator who could build a defense in a hurry while they redesign the offense. There may be a couple of DCs who are better and available but they needed the one who could build it the fastest.



How does Wink build a defense faster then Schwartz or Fangio? If you wanted to build a defense "faster" would you have did your best to retain Graham since he already had his defensive scheme already set?



But that scheme was bad. I think Wink is lightyears ahead of Graham as a DC. Honestly, I don't get the love for Graham.


I don’t like Graham either but the notion that Wink will build a defense faster then the other top DCs who were avilable this offseason is complete bullshit speak. How do you even gague how fast a DC can build a defense?
I feel many  
joeinpa : 5/27/2022 8:20 pm : link
Underestimate how poorly the Giants have been coached over the past two seasons and the impact this new coaching staff can have on player performance.

This is also a more talented roster than the previous several years.

Wink's defense will surely be exciting  
Bill in UT : 5/27/2022 8:56 pm : link
But please be prepared that along with that there will be a lot of failed blitzes that result in long TD plays
RE: Wink's defense will surely be exciting  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/27/2022 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15719985 Bill in UT said:
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But please be prepared that along with that there will be a lot of failed blitzes that result in long TD plays


This.
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christian : 5/27/2022 10:24 pm : link
I have no doubt Martindale will build a good defense in time.

But the Giants are paper thin on the defensive line, Martinez is coming off a serious injury, have big questions at inside linebacker, and have big questions at corner. I this is a good defense in two years.

Wink is a top 5 DC in this league IMO........  
Simms11 : 5/28/2022 9:24 am : link
He should bring. Credibility back to this once great D, however we need the starters to stay healthy as the depth on this D isn’t exactly something to write home about. We still don’t have an idea how the rookies will pan out. Wink, as do most Coordinators, need the right players to make this D work. His D in Baltimore tailed off last year because the CBs were injured. I’m cautiously optimistic as we’ve been burned before.
paper thin?  
mittenedman : 5/28/2022 9:32 am : link
they have a good vet backup DT in Jelly, and ER in Ward or Ojulari. its not paper thin.
I think people are just accustomed to disaster with NYG now but objectively this is the best combo of roster & coaching they’ve had in a long time.

Their schemes on both sides of the ball are actually good now, instead of bad. Its huge.
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christian : 5/28/2022 9:49 am : link
The presumptive starters on the defensive line are Williams, Ellis, and Lawrence. And the presumptive rotation being Moa, Davidson, and Holmes.

Two years ago that unit was Williams, Tomlinson, and Lawrence, with and Johnson.

The unit this year is not in the same universe as two years ago.

Sticky this thread  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/28/2022 9:57 am : link
just to see who bitches and moans the first time the giants allow 25 points. Because it's going to happen.
Don't set yourself up to be a foaming at the mouth lunatic because of expectations.
Graham has been hired as DC 3 times?  
arniefez : 5/28/2022 10:06 am : link
each time it was by a guy he worked with in NE? Is it possible it who he knows not what he knows is what keeps getting him jobs?

I think as Giant fans we all owe him a big thank you for leaving. It would have been a very awkward situation if he had stayed. The owners just fired his very good friend - Joe Judge - after promising him he would have the time he needed to fix the mess he inherited and then reneging.

They fired Judge, interviewed Graham for the job, passed him over and then wanted him to stay as DC for the guy who beat him out for the job? That's horrible people business. Thankfully for us he left and took his bend and then break defense with him.

The Raiders have an excellent pass rush. I'll be curious if he's more aggressive in LV than he was in NJ now that he has better talent.
RE: Sticky this thread  
Klaatu : 5/28/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15720230 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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just to see who bitches and moans the first time the giants allow 25 points. Because it's going to happen.
Don't set yourself up to be a foaming at the mouth lunatic because of expectations.


It'll be in the archives, so I'll and make a really positive post, then a really negative one.
RE: Sticky this thread  
christian : 5/28/2022 10:12 am : link
In comment 15720230 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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just to see who bitches and moans the first time the giants allow 25 points. Because it's going to happen.
Don't set yourself up to be a foaming at the mouth lunatic because of expectations.


There's a strange reluctantance from some to accept 1) the Giants are rebuilding and 2) this is a good thing.

This is the first season I'm looking forward to in ages. Even knowing the Giants have some big holes, and it's probably going to be a tough year.
RE: RE: Sticky this thread  
Klaatu : 5/28/2022 10:25 am : link
In comment 15720238 christian said:
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just to see who bitches and moans the first time the giants allow 25 points. Because it's going to happen.
Don't set yourself up to be a foaming at the mouth lunatic because of expectations.



There's a strange reluctantance from some to accept 1) the Giants are rebuilding and 2) this is a good thing.

This is the first season I'm looking forward to in ages. Even knowing the Giants have some big holes, and it's probably going to be a tough year.


I couldn't agree more. It's like some people think all we needed was a RT and and a new HC and playoffs here we come! Either they don't know (or don't want to know) how deep the hole is that the previous regimes dug for us, and how much time it'll take to get out of it.
RE: Graham has been hired as DC 3 times?  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/28/2022 11:18 am : link
In comment 15720235 arniefez said:
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each time it was by a guy he worked with in NE? Is it possible it who he knows not what he knows is what keeps getting him jobs?

I think as Giant fans we all owe him a big thank you for leaving. It would have been a very awkward situation if he had stayed. The owners just fired his very good friend - Joe Judge - after promising him he would have the time he needed to fix the mess he inherited and then reneging.

They fired Judge, interviewed Graham for the job, passed him over and then wanted him to stay as DC for the guy who beat him out for the job? That's horrible people business. Thankfully for us he left and took his bend and then break defense with him.

The Raiders have an excellent pass rush. I'll be curious if he's more aggressive in LV than he was in NJ now that he has better talent.


Typical hairbrained boneheaded Maras interference forcing a DC on a new GM and HC.
I don't mean to be contrarian  
bLiTz 2k : 5/28/2022 8:58 pm : link
..and to preface I LOVE the Wink hire, but let's not pretend he doesn't have warts on his resume. When he took over in Baltimore as DC in 2018 (which is arguably the best franchise in the NFL for identifying defensive talent), they had excellent players almost every year...until 2022 when they got lit-up when the talent dropped off tremendously due to injury.

His previous stint as a DC in Denver was flat out bad, because guess what?, the players sucked.

I'm excited for Wink overall, but I have no delusions this is going to be a top defense this year. I feel like they're going to give up quick scores and get torched quite a bit.

THATS NOT the end of the world, and not totally a reflection on Wink...but he has never been a miracle worker at DC. I think we need to look at this under the lense of the fact that we are going to try and be aggressive, and let the chips fall where they may. It'll be fun, but don't be surprised if it's not equally as frustrating.

You can bet your ass that there are going to be threads on here killing Wink some games because the defense got torched. I advise everyone to at least show some patience...(maybe?)
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