One thing I really liked about Wink's press conference? He isn't conceding anything. Wink's arguably the best DC in the NFL. The Giants really haven't had a guy like that in a long time. He's a winner, and he's got a winning attitude. He was genuinely pissed off when they were asking him if he expected to struggle this year.
For the players, that's infectious. A top ranked defense can take a team a long ways and the Giants real sneaky may have the personnel to do it.
Interestingly, he openly talked about his Head Coach aspirations. It sounds like that had a lot to do with leaving BAL. If he's able to to resurrect this Giants D it could unfortunately be a 1-and-done for Wink in NY.
Yeah. I believe his time to be a HC has passed. If he didn’t get a HC gig when his Ds rocked for years and was younger, he’s not procuring one now, no matter what he does here, imo
Graham's defense not being that good didn't stop Oakland from hiring him.
If the offense shows us anything we may win 9-10 games.
*Thibodeaux & a jacked up Azeez Ojulari off the edges. (Plus his tone-setter, Jihad Ward.)
*Blake Martinez back at MIKE.
That should be a pretty f*cking good front 7. And he's got Adoree (man coverage) & McKinney deep.
These guys will be in attack mode. Ideally - the Giants get LT/Banks-like impact at OLB with Thibs & Ojulari. One can dream.
Quote:
Everyone always seems to think people want our coaches. The problem is we have sucked. If people, one day, actually take our coaches then that means we were successful so it is an easy tradeoff most of us would make.
Graham's defense not being that good didn't stop Oakland from hiring him.
Didn't stop the Giants from hiring him either!
I'm here all week. What's the deal with airline peanuts?
Quote:
Everyone always seems to think people want our coaches. The problem is we have sucked. If people, one day, actually take our coaches then that means we were successful so it is an easy tradeoff most of us would make.
Graham's defense not being that good didn't stop Oakland from hiring him.
Lol. He's their HC? When it comes to coordinators, connections go a long way.
Assuming the Giants can:
(1) stop the run;
(2) find an effective ILB to play next to a supposed healthy Blake Martinez;
(3) find an effective CB to replace James Bradberry;
(4) find an effective Safety complement to Xavier McKinney now that Jabrill Peppers and Logan Ryan are no longer with the team.
Assuming the Giants can:
(1) stop the run;
(2) find an effective ILB to play next to a supposed healthy Blake Martinez;
(3) find an effective CB to replace James Bradberry;
(4) find an effective Safety complement to Xavier McKinney now that Jabrill Peppers and Logan Ryan are no longer with the team.
Players matter. But so does coaching.
The Giants have been poorly coached on defense for years.
I don't recall the Giants ever losing a HC bc another team gave them more money.
I'm pretty sure Parcells didn't leave bc of money. It was supposedly health related and he wanted more control over drafting. And Dallas didn't exactly steal him from us. He went there years after he left the Giants.
Assuming the Giants can:
(1) stop the run;
(2) find an effective ILB to play next to a supposed healthy Blake Martinez;
(3) find an effective CB to replace James Bradberry;
(4) find an effective Safety complement to Xavier McKinney now that Jabrill Peppers and Logan Ryan are no longer with the team.
(4) I thought Love was a better safety then either Peppers or Ryan
(3) Next man up and Bradberry was not that good last year
(2) They drafted two guys likely better than Crowder
(1) Run defense will be better just with Martinez back, Ojulari in his 2nd year, Jihad Ward and Thibadeaux...
I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Who was the last HC to leave one team for another one? I’m not talking about getting fired and going directly for another team. Teams don’t let successful coaches leave.
And Dallas didn’t steal Parcells from the Giants. They stole him from a sports network. I don’t remember which one.
Quote:
If he is successful here, he may decide to go someplace else for more money. The Dallas job may be open if the Giants are successful. They would love to steal the Giants head coach like they did with Parcells.
I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Who was the last HC to leave one team for another one? I’m not talking about getting fired and going directly for another team. Teams don’t let successful coaches leave.
And Dallas didn’t steal Parcells from the Giants. They stole him from a sports network. I don’t remember which one.
I was kidding Ivan - but you are correct on all counts.
He’s the first DC we’ve had in years I could envision leading defenses like we had in the 80’s.
How does Wink build a defense faster then Schwartz or Fangio? If you wanted to build a defense "faster" would you have did your best to retain Graham since he already had his defensive scheme already set?
Parcells left on his own accord. No one stole him from us.
He didnt coach Dallas until years later.
(4) I thought Love was a better safety then either Peppers or Ryan
(3) Next man up and Bradberry was not that good last year
(2) They drafted two guys likely better than Crowder
(1) Run defense will be better just with Martinez back, Ojulari in his 2nd year, Jihad Ward and Thibadeaux...
I like your countdown, section!:
4/ Peppers is a very good S in the box, not so much in coverage; I think Love might be the reverse = a wash?
3/ Bradberry might have developed Jackrabbit syndrome under the Giants' coaching staff of clowns and Clown in Chief DG
2/ I hope you're; Beavers our 6th intrigues, Sy' too
1/ Could be
Like robbie says about our coaching staff, equally true here about draft picks and FA signings
Quote:
A coordinator who could build a defense in a hurry while they redesign the offense. There may be a couple of DCs who are better and available but they needed the one who could build it the fastest.
How does Wink build a defense faster then Schwartz or Fangio? If you wanted to build a defense "faster" would you have did your best to retain Graham since he already had his defensive scheme already set?
But that scheme was bad. I think Wink is lightyears ahead of Graham as a DC. Honestly, I don't get the love for Graham.
Quote:
In comment 15719865 Ivan15 said:
Quote:
A coordinator who could build a defense in a hurry while they redesign the offense. There may be a couple of DCs who are better and available but they needed the one who could build it the fastest.
How does Wink build a defense faster then Schwartz or Fangio? If you wanted to build a defense "faster" would you have did your best to retain Graham since he already had his defensive scheme already set?
But that scheme was bad. I think Wink is lightyears ahead of Graham as a DC. Honestly, I don't get the love for Graham.
I don’t like Graham either but the notion that Wink will build a defense faster then the other top DCs who were avilable this offseason is complete bullshit speak. How do you even gague how fast a DC can build a defense?
This is also a more talented roster than the previous several years.
This.
But the Giants are paper thin on the defensive line, Martinez is coming off a serious injury, have big questions at inside linebacker, and have big questions at corner. I this is a good defense in two years.
I think people are just accustomed to disaster with NYG now but objectively this is the best combo of roster & coaching they’ve had in a long time.
Their schemes on both sides of the ball are actually good now, instead of bad. Its huge.
Two years ago that unit was Williams, Tomlinson, and Lawrence, with and Johnson.
The unit this year is not in the same universe as two years ago.
Don't set yourself up to be a foaming at the mouth lunatic because of expectations.
I think as Giant fans we all owe him a big thank you for leaving. It would have been a very awkward situation if he had stayed. The owners just fired his very good friend - Joe Judge - after promising him he would have the time he needed to fix the mess he inherited and then reneging.
They fired Judge, interviewed Graham for the job, passed him over and then wanted him to stay as DC for the guy who beat him out for the job? That's horrible people business. Thankfully for us he left and took his bend and then break defense with him.
The Raiders have an excellent pass rush. I'll be curious if he's more aggressive in LV than he was in NJ now that he has better talent.
Don't set yourself up to be a foaming at the mouth lunatic because of expectations.
It'll be in the archives, so I'll and make a really positive post, then a really negative one.
Don't set yourself up to be a foaming at the mouth lunatic because of expectations.
There's a strange reluctantance from some to accept 1) the Giants are rebuilding and 2) this is a good thing.
This is the first season I'm looking forward to in ages. Even knowing the Giants have some big holes, and it's probably going to be a tough year.
Quote:
just to see who bitches and moans the first time the giants allow 25 points. Because it's going to happen.
Don't set yourself up to be a foaming at the mouth lunatic because of expectations.
There's a strange reluctantance from some to accept 1) the Giants are rebuilding and 2) this is a good thing.
This is the first season I'm looking forward to in ages. Even knowing the Giants have some big holes, and it's probably going to be a tough year.
I couldn't agree more. It's like some people think all we needed was a RT and and a new HC and playoffs here we come! Either they don't know (or don't want to know) how deep the hole is that the previous regimes dug for us, and how much time it'll take to get out of it.
I think as Giant fans we all owe him a big thank you for leaving. It would have been a very awkward situation if he had stayed. The owners just fired his very good friend - Joe Judge - after promising him he would have the time he needed to fix the mess he inherited and then reneging.
They fired Judge, interviewed Graham for the job, passed him over and then wanted him to stay as DC for the guy who beat him out for the job? That's horrible people business. Thankfully for us he left and took his bend and then break defense with him.
The Raiders have an excellent pass rush. I'll be curious if he's more aggressive in LV than he was in NJ now that he has better talent.
Typical hairbrained boneheaded Maras interference forcing a DC on a new GM and HC.
His previous stint as a DC in Denver was flat out bad, because guess what?, the players sucked.
I'm excited for Wink overall, but I have no delusions this is going to be a top defense this year. I feel like they're going to give up quick scores and get torched quite a bit.
THATS NOT the end of the world, and not totally a reflection on Wink...but he has never been a miracle worker at DC. I think we need to look at this under the lense of the fact that we are going to try and be aggressive, and let the chips fall where they may. It'll be fun, but don't be surprised if it's not equally as frustrating.
You can bet your ass that there are going to be threads on here killing Wink some games because the defense got torched. I advise everyone to at least show some patience...(maybe?)