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Thibodeaux was Wink’s #1

Saquon'sQuadz : 5/27/2022 9:06 pm
Defensive coordinator Wink Martindale said that Thibodeaux was his No. 1 guy in this year’s draft class and linebackers coach Drew Wilkins said that if Martindale “created an outside linebacker in a lab” it would have been Thibodeaux

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/27/kayvon-thibodeaux-in-red-jersey-at-giants-otas-but-no-long-term-health-concerns/

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RE: I am pretty confident that  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 7:50 am : link
In comment 15720134 section125 said:
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Sauce would have been the pick at #5. But not sure what they would have done at #7 - but would not be surprised if it was Thibs over Neal.

However, they were pretty good at disguising who they were after, so perhaps it actually went as planned Thibs, then remaining OT of Neal and Ekwonu.


One of the picks was always an OT. It had to be otherwise our rookie GM would have been facing massive criticism by not seriously addressing a critical position where he had literally nobody to play...
RE: RE: I am pretty confident that  
section125 : 5/28/2022 7:54 am : link
In comment 15720162 Jimmy Googs said:
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Sauce would have been the pick at #5. But not sure what they would have done at #7 - but would not be surprised if it was Thibs over Neal.

However, they were pretty good at disguising who they were after, so perhaps it actually went as planned Thibs, then remaining OT of Neal and Ekwonu.



One of the picks was always an OT. It had to be otherwise our rookie GM would have been facing massive criticism by not seriously addressing a critical position where he had literally nobody to play...


Unless, he went strictly BPA and Thibs was rated higher than Neal/Ekwonu. There were other OTs they could get in the 2nd round.
I prefer the way this turned out, but Schoen likely looks at it differently from us. I will go by what he said - I will have 7 guys I can take...(paraphrasing of course)
And we may be splitting hairs here that Schoen doesn’t.  
BillT : 5/28/2022 7:55 am : link
He didn’t have the 1 &2 picks. He was going to pick who was left. As long as the two picks were in his group of 6/7 “guys he liked” he wasn’t going to be all “Aw shucks” about who someone else took.
RE: RE: I am pretty confident that  
BillT : 5/28/2022 7:59 am : link
In comment 15720162 Jimmy Googs said:
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Sauce would have been the pick at #5. But not sure what they would have done at #7 - but would not be surprised if it was Thibs over Neal.

However, they were pretty good at disguising who they were after, so perhaps it actually went as planned Thibs, then remaining OT of Neal and Ekwonu.



One of the picks was always an OT. It had to be otherwise our rookie GM would have been facing massive criticism by not seriously addressing a critical position where he had literally nobody to play...

Absolutely. Folks that thought not getting an OT in round 1 wasn’t a failure were off base. That was the must have. We can reasonably argue about CB or EDGE. Not OT.
RE: RE: RE: I am pretty confident that  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 8:04 am : link
In comment 15720165 section125 said:
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Sauce would have been the pick at #5. But not sure what they would have done at #7 - but would not be surprised if it was Thibs over Neal.

However, they were pretty good at disguising who they were after, so perhaps it actually went as planned Thibs, then remaining OT of Neal and Ekwonu.



One of the picks was always an OT. It had to be otherwise our rookie GM would have been facing massive criticism by not seriously addressing a critical position where he had literally nobody to play...



Unless, he went strictly BPA and Thibs was rated higher than Neal/Ekwonu. There were other OTs they could get in the 2nd round.
I prefer the way this turned out, but Schoen likely looks at it differently from us. I will go by what he said - I will have 7 guys I can take...(paraphrasing of course)


No, go read Schoen's comments all about scenarios. Thibs was taken there (at #5) because there were still 2 OTs left.

Schoen absolutely was going OT with #5 or #7. When he knew that it was guaranteed he would have one of his two guys at OT, he turned back to the best Defensive Player still left on his board which was Thibs.

RE: RE: RE: I am pretty confident that  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 8:25 am : link
In comment 15720170 BillT said:
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Sauce would have been the pick at #5. But not sure what they would have done at #7 - but would not be surprised if it was Thibs over Neal.

However, they were pretty good at disguising who they were after, so perhaps it actually went as planned Thibs, then remaining OT of Neal and Ekwonu.



One of the picks was always an OT. It had to be otherwise our rookie GM would have been facing massive criticism by not seriously addressing a critical position where he had literally nobody to play...


Absolutely. Folks that thought not getting an OT in round 1 wasn’t a failure were off base. That was the must have. We can reasonably argue about CB or EDGE. Not OT.


OT was a lock. The "you can find good OL later" crowd have no legs to stand on here with this loigc. Schoen had several OTs that made the grade and at a prime investment spot and one of massive need. Not picking an OT there would have been egregious.

And Gardner was the cleaner pick (over Thibs) and solves for Bradberry situation. Schoen wanted to Gardner and then would have likely gone ER in Rd 2 (the Penn St guy?) but found himself instead trying get one of his last remaining top targets at CB (McCreary) on his list. And whene he lost him, he started trading down...
And I think there are good reasons for them to favor Neal over Ekwonu  
BillT : 5/28/2022 8:26 am : link
There were consistent questions about Ekwonu’s ability to play tackle at an NFL level and many saw guard as his best position. The Giants couldn’t take a chance that they didn’t get a guy who can play tackle. Now, they didn’t have a choice but given one Neal was the more certain prospect as a tackle.
Googs  
BillT : 5/28/2022 8:31 am : link
We agree about tackle but I think edge was the better pick over corner. As I said above the Giants biggest defensive problems last year were no pass rush and being gashed on the edge in the run game. Thibs solves both those issues. Wink may well generally favor CB but I bet Schoen saw that.
RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 8:38 am : link
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We agree about tackle but I think edge was the better pick over corner. As I said above the Giants biggest defensive problems last year were no pass rush and being gashed on the edge in the run game. Thibs solves both those issues. Wink may well generally favor CB but I bet Schoen saw that.


I would have preferred ER as well, but not Thibs. I actually think some of the other ER/DEs still on board later and into Rd 2 were really good prospects and great value at that point. The CB dropoff from Gardner to Rd 2 guys was much bigger.

Hope Thibs kills it now that he is a NYG. He better...

RE: RE: Googs  
BillT : 5/28/2022 8:53 am : link
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We agree about tackle but I think edge was the better pick over corner. As I said above the Giants biggest defensive problems last year were no pass rush and being gashed on the edge in the run game. Thibs solves both those issues. Wink may well generally favor CB but I bet Schoen saw that.



I would have preferred ER as well, but not Thibs. I actually think some of the other ER/DEs still on board later and into Rd 2 were really good prospects and great value at that point. The CB dropoff from Gardner to Rd 2 guys was much bigger.

Hope Thibs kills it now that he is a NYG. He better...

Just don’t get the doubts folks have about Thibs. He’s a monster prospect. The dropoff from him to the next edge prospect was enormous. You can get high quality CBs anywhere in the first (McCreary for example) and there will be some next year no matter where we pick. Elite edge guys are top ten picks.
You can't always get what you want...  
Klaatu : 5/28/2022 9:18 am : link
But sometimes you get what you need.

I wanted an OT and an impact defender in the 1st Round (would've been fine with an OT and WR). Preferred Neal over Ekwonu because of questions about Andrew Thomas' health, future on the team. I'd rather have Neal at LT if need be in a year or two rather than Ekwonu. Hopefully, Thomas and Neal will indeed be our bookend Tackles for many years to come, but I'm hesitant to etch that in stone right now.

The Sauce/Thibs debate just goes to show why most of the pre-draft scuttlebutt ought to be ignored. As I recall, all we heard was how much the Jets didn't want Sauce, and how much they loved Thibs. Meanwhile, the Giants were "all-out" on Thibs. So go figure. I can believe that the Giants would've drafted Sauce if he was still there at #5, but I'm glad he wasn't. I see Thibs as more of a force-multiplier, whose presence will impact the play of our entire front seven in a good way.
RE: You can't always get what you want...  
BillT : 5/28/2022 9:23 am : link
In comment 15720209 Klaatu said:
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But sometimes you get what you need.
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I see Thibs as more of a force-multiplier, whose presence will impact the play of our entire front seven in a good way.

This exactly.
BillT  
Klaatu : 5/28/2022 9:40 am : link
I'd never minimize the importance of a true shutdown CB, but for me defense begins at the point-of-attack...as dorgan said once, "where the ball is." I'd rather strengthen the trenches first, build from the inside out, before addressing the Secondary.
Hard to tell and does not matter now  
Reale01 : 5/28/2022 10:13 am : link
That said based on press conferences, asshats, and general chatter it seems the Giants top six were:

Neal
IK
NEED OT if only one left at 5 OT is picked over everyone else

Gardner

Thib (Said to be Wink #1 more OLB than Hutch)
Hutch

Walker (Presume he was the 6th acceptable player)

Ended up almost best case.
By this best case is Jets take Thibs and we get Sauce and Neal. I prefer what happened for the reasons that others have stated.

Worst case first four are Neal, IK, Sauce, Thibs

We take Hutch and trade out of 7.
100%  
xman : 5/28/2022 10:21 am : link
agree. Trenches first
RE: But, but , but…  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/28/2022 11:06 am : link
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Wink wants CBs above all. I’m sure I heard that somewhere.


bbi posters like to make up stuff in their heads sometimes. I'm sure any DC would like to generate pressure with 4.
RE: I am pretty confident that  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2022 11:09 am : link
In comment 15720172 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15720165 section125 said:Unless, he went strictly BPA and Thibs was rated higher than Neal/Ekwonu. There were other OTs they could get in the 2nd round.
I prefer the way this turned out, but Schoen likely looks at it differently from us. I will go by what he said - I will have 7 guys I can take...(paraphrasing of course)/////

No, go read Schoen's comments all about scenarios. Thibs was taken there (at #5) because there were still 2 OTs left.

Schoen absolutely was going OT with #5 or #7....

Agree googs, and to section's notion about waiting until 2nd to grab an OT, in terms of Schoen looking at it differently, had Schoen been our GM when Flowers was drafted, good wager to think he might have waited. 2022 definitely not the year to be cute.
think Frank is right: rico  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2022 11:17 am : link
rico put up his fascinating Wednesday night post (Thursday AM?), that Sauce and an OT were in focus and that ER would not be one of the picks Thursday. I think that thread informs much of BBI's mindset to the extent there was the feeling Sauce would be the pick at 5 had Jets not taken him.

Historically, rico has had a pretty darn good track record, but historically means that it's been one or more of the prior regimes sharing inside info. Either he was spot on about Sauce and it didn't fall that way, KT being a very desirable fallback, and/or rico's legacy informants were out of the JS/Dabs loop, and might not even be around any more.
RE: BillT  
BillT : 5/28/2022 11:27 am : link
In comment 15720221 Klaatu said:
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I'd never minimize the importance of a true shutdown CB, but for me defense begins at the point-of-attack...as dorgan said once, "where the ball is." I'd rather strengthen the trenches first, build from the inside out, before addressing the Secondary.

Couldn’t be more on the same page.
RE: RE: But, but , but…  
BillT : 5/28/2022 11:30 am : link
In comment 15720263 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Wink wants CBs above all. I’m sure I heard that somewhere.



bbi posters like to make up stuff in their heads sometimes. I'm sure any DC would like to generate pressure with 4.

You seem to be ignorant of both what Wink said and the board reaction to it.
RE: RE: RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 11:32 am : link
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We agree about tackle but I think edge was the better pick over corner. As I said above the Giants biggest defensive problems last year were no pass rush and being gashed on the edge in the run game. Thibs solves both those issues. Wink may well generally favor CB but I bet Schoen saw that.



I would have preferred ER as well, but not Thibs. I actually think some of the other ER/DEs still on board later and into Rd 2 were really good prospects and great value at that point. The CB dropoff from Gardner to Rd 2 guys was much bigger.

Hope Thibs kills it now that he is a NYG. He better...



Just don’t get the doubts folks have about Thibs. He’s a monster prospect. The dropoff from him to the next edge prospect was enormous. You can get high quality CBs anywhere in the first (McCreary for example) and there will be some next year no matter where we pick. Elite edge guys are top ten picks.


Plenty of doubts about Thibs. Go to any pre draft day you want and find the threads. The dropoff may not be much if any when you look at the whole picture on a prospect and not just the highlight films...
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BillT : 5/28/2022 11:47 am : link
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Plenty of doubts about Thibs. Go to any pre draft day you want and find the threads. The dropoff may not be much if any when you look at the whole picture on a prospect and not just the highlight films...

Sure, plenty of doubts by guys (like me) sitting on their couches listening to “draft experts”. Schoen, Wink, Wilkins and teams like the Cowboys don’t seem to share those doubts. Tough choice there.
That’s not the case though no matter who’s qualifications / evals  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 12:11 pm : link
you want to rely on. Thibs has ER talent for certain but some doubts on field and off field create a whole a picture.

Let’s hope he takes advantage of a great opportunity to become a consistent All Pro type player before worrying about other topics. If he dies it will all come his way in NY...

I think we’re quibbling here  
UberAlias : 5/28/2022 12:12 pm : link
If he was not Winks #1 he was at least in the same tier, they love this guy. If we’re going to run an attacking based 2-4-5, you need good EDGE to rush the QB. Now we have that.
Does  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 12:12 pm : link
not dies...
RE: Does  
Klaatu : 5/28/2022 12:17 pm : link
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not dies...


The only questions  
TrueBlue56 : 5/28/2022 12:21 pm : link
I ever saw on Thibs was his commitment. Heard some saying that he would take plays off. He was more concerned about his brand than football. His attitude towards taking coaching. Can't recall any negativity towards his physical ability.

I think it was all smoke generated by some team to drop his stock in hopes they could have an opportunity to get him.

The giants did a lot of work on him. Interviewed him at the combine. Had dinner with him before his pro day and had him in for a visit. We all read and saw the reports and yet dismissed it. By most reports we were all in on Charles Cross.
RE: That’s not the case though no matter who’s qualifications / evals  
BillT : 5/28/2022 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15720295 Jimmy Googs said:
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you want to rely on. Thibs has ER talent for certain but some doubts on field and off field create a whole a picture.

Let’s hope he takes advantage of a great opportunity to become a consistent All Pro type player before worrying about other topics. If he dies it will all come his way in NY...

Here the thing. The “just football” analysis we here is mostly amateur (Sy excepted) “draft experts” and journalists (even more amateur). It’s got to be taken with a grain of salt. Relying on these kinds of sources for the non football stuff is fools gold. That’s especially true once we get the opinions of Schoen and Wink. How do you hold on to that after listening to what Wilkins said.
You have to factor in "red flags"  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/28/2022 12:47 pm : link
with a high pick and I would suggest being risk adverse given the value of the resource. If you have an 85 rating guy with red flags and a bunch of 82-83 rating guys without any, you take the latter.
RE: RE: That’s not the case though no matter who’s qualifications / evals  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 12:55 pm : link
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you want to rely on. Thibs has ER talent for certain but some doubts on field and off field create a whole a picture.

Let’s hope he takes advantage of a great opportunity to become a consistent All Pro type player before worrying about other topics. If he dies it will all come his way in NY...



Here the thing. The “just football” analysis we here is mostly amateur (Sy excepted) “draft experts” and journalists (even more amateur). It’s got to be taken with a grain of salt. Relying on these kinds of sources for the non football stuff is fools gold. That’s especially true once we get the opinions of Schoen and Wink. How do you hold on to that after listening to what Wilkins said.


Here’s the thing. Talent isn’t enough. I am sure you heard and relied upon lots of similar things picking at near or the top of the Draft over the past decade from the experts Reese, Gettleman, their front office people and coaches.

How did that work out for them and you?
I would conjecture  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/28/2022 1:07 pm : link
Wink got ass canned from Balt because he was a major factor in signing Earl Thomas to a big contract, and yeesh if you were completely oblivious to his red flags.
RE: RE: RE: That’s not the case though no matter who’s qualifications / evals  
BillT : 5/28/2022 1:11 pm : link
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Here’s the thing. Talent isn’t enough. I am sure you heard and relied upon lots of similar things picking at near or the top of the Draft over the past decade from the experts Reese, Gettleman, their front office people and coaches.

How did that work out for them and you?

Aren’t you making my point for me. Sure, the pros have those kind of opinions and have done the work and have the access to make those kind of calls. No one is perfect on that stuff but at least they have a legit chance. That’s why I trust Schoen and Wink and Wilkins opinions on Thibs. But you talked about the opinions on this board taken from a bunch of “draft experts” and journalists. Them, not so much.
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BillT : 5/28/2022 1:12 pm : link
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Here’s the thing. Talent isn’t enough. I am sure you heard and relied upon lots of similar things picking at near or the top of the Draft over the past decade from the experts Reese, Gettleman, their front office people and coaches.

How did that work out for them and you?

Aren’t you making my point for me. Sure, the pros have those kind of opinions and have done the work and have the access to make those kind of calls. No one is perfect on that stuff but at least they have a legit chance. That’s why I trust Schoen and Wink and Wilkins opinions on Thibs. But you talked about the opinions on this board taken from a bunch of “draft experts” and journalists. Them, not so much.
Sorry  
BillT : 5/28/2022 1:12 pm : link
Double!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: That’s not the case though no matter who’s qualifications / evals  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 1:25 pm : link
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Here’s the thing. Talent isn’t enough. I am sure you heard and relied upon lots of similar things picking at near or the top of the Draft over the past decade from the experts Reese, Gettleman, their front office people and coaches.

How did that work out for them and you?


Aren’t you making my point for me. Sure, the pros have those kind of opinions and have done the work and have the access to make those kind of calls. No one is perfect on that stuff but at least they have a legit chance. That’s why I trust Schoen and Wink and Wilkins opinions on Thibs. But you talked about the opinions on this board taken from a bunch of “draft experts” and journalists. Them, not so much.


I didn’t talk anything about who’s opinions are more reliable or what everybody should focus on the most in evaluating a player. Schoen and his guys should have gotten to know everything they needed to about Thibs and they concluded he works for them at #5. That’s all.

You simply went off saying how can anyone have doubts about this monster prospect and I told you there were plenty of conversations going on about doubts and potential issues with Thibs. And not everything is about disregarding him altogether but sometimes enough risk or doubt in the calculus can cause a prospect to fall from one tier to a lower one.

Is this not intuitive?
Googs  
BillT : 5/28/2022 1:26 pm : link
Forget the above. Got confused on your point. Just saying the info we’re getting now on Thibs is not just as good, it’s probably quite a bit better than anything we got from anywhere pre draft. Worth factoring in.
Googs  
BillT : 5/28/2022 1:28 pm : link
Fair enough.splitting too many hairs. :)
Harbough let Wink go bc he wanted to bring back Macdonald  
Eric on Li : 5/28/2022 1:31 pm : link
Macdonald was in their organization from 2014 until going to Michigan to be defensive coordinator for Jim last year, likely a final step in his development before taking over defensive coordinator.

Wink has been interviewing for head jobs for a while so McDonald has probably been the heir apparent for several years - with the only issue being that Wink hadn't yet landed a head job. I wouldn't be shocked if Macdonald had come close to getting poached away more than once so harbough felt some urgency trying to balance continuity with Wink in the short term vs. not losing their longer term continuity by bringing Macdonald back who may have several years until he's a HC candidate.

Now from Wink's perspective it also made sense to go to NY if he wants to be a HC. Spags got head coaching jobs each of his first 2 years as NYG Dc. McAdoo got HC interviews after some pretty mediocre years as OC. Patrick Graham got interviews, and apparently got close to landing the MIN job even after a bad year where his defense allowed more points than Wink's in what was considered a disaster year for Baltimore. Coaches that succeed in NY seem to get attention and improve their job prospects, and I do think a very legitimate question mark on Wink's resume is the degree to which he can succeed outside the Ravens established culture. If Wink succeeds here despite the exact opposite type of established culture he will be a hot name like Quinn was last year.
RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2022 1:35 pm : link
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Forget the above. Got confused on your point. Just saying the info we’re getting now on Thibs is not just as good, it’s probably quite a bit better than anything we got from anywhere pre draft. Worth factoring in.


I don’t know, we’ll see. Hope he is the goods as mentioned earlier.

Later bill...
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BillT : 5/28/2022 1:37 pm : link
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Forget the above. Got confused on your point. Just saying the info we’re getting now on Thibs is not just as good, it’s probably quite a bit better than anything we got from anywhere pre draft. Worth factoring in.



I don’t know, we’ll see. Hope he is the goods as mentioned earlier.

Later bill...

Later.
Apparently the sheep here  
WillVAB : 5/28/2022 5:47 pm : link
Need to reconcile the pre-draft comments with who the actually selected? Maybe think for yourself for once?

They got the pick right.
We got our guy  
upnyg : 5/29/2022 9:17 am : link
but here's the actual quote

“He was Drew’s No. 1 guy, Drew Wilkins, the outside linebacker coach, and he was my number one guy coming out of the process,” Martindale said. BBV article
RE: one thing about  
SGMen : 5/29/2022 9:33 am : link
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Martindale's comments about Kayvon, he could have meant that Kayvon was his #1 edge guy, not #1 overall. That's the way I took it.
I believe that in five years we will see that Hutchinson has had the best overall career followed by Thibodeux , Gardner. I think Walker will be quite average. Just my thoughts.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Sauce and Thibs were available at #5  
VinegarPeppers : 5/30/2022 11:23 am : link
"But signs point clearly to Sauce and Ekwonu..."

There is a sign Sauce was #1 on their board, but none that Ekwonu was for right tackle. Why take a guy who's never played RT when you have a guy who has played nearly 800 snaps there?

When Schoen said "Get Thibadeux ready", meaning on the card, it was with a look of some disappointment.

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who would have been the pick?



I think it would have been Sauce



The picks would have been Sauce and Ekwonu if Schoen had his way...


Not buying that for a second. He got just who he wanted. They were the best players at the most important positions to fill for this team.



Not suggesting Schoen is lamenting over Thibs & Neal as he is on the record saying he had about 6-7 guys he was good with.

But signs point clearly to Sauce and Ekwonu...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Sauce and Thibs were available at #5  
Jimmy Googs : 5/31/2022 3:52 pm : link
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"But signs point clearly to Sauce and Ekwonu..."

There is a sign Sauce was #1 on their board, but none that Ekwonu was for right tackle. Why take a guy who's never played RT when you have a guy who has played nearly 800 snaps there?

When Schoen said "Get Thibadeux ready", meaning on the card, it was with a look of some disappointment.



Because its quite possible Ekwonu will be the better player long term. Schoen said he had them both pretty much next to each other but give the slight edge to Ekwonu based on his word choices...
Given I heard what Rico heard re: Sauce being their #1 target  
JonC : 5/31/2022 4:43 pm : link
it suggests there was at least a larger faction preferring Sauce, while Wink and Drew had Thibs #1. I preferred Thibs as well, so color me happy getting the best Edge prospect in the draft.

I heard Neal was OT1, Ekwonu's name did not come up. Given the info accuracy of the past, I'm content they got their OT1.
Ekwonu's name may not have come up but Schoen  
Jimmy Googs : 5/31/2022 5:00 pm : link
clearly said he had him and Neal very close, side-by-side. And said he took Neal because the other guy was gone.

It's not like we lost out on anything as nobody has played an actual NFL down yet. But enough of signs point to Sauce and Ekwonu as to where he would have gone given all four as choices...
I don't recall anyone of note or past accurarcy hearing Icky  
JonC : 5/31/2022 5:04 pm : link
so there's that ... agree to disagree on him.
RE: I don't recall anyone of note or past accurarcy hearing Icky  
Jimmy Googs : 5/31/2022 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15722067 JonC said:
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so there's that ... agree to disagree on him.


That's fine. Maybe Schoen did a good job of keeping things under wraps then for once, or he wanted to pay a nice compliment to the Carolina Panther GM for whatever reason...

:-)
RE: Never really got this kind of thing or at least believe them  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/1/2022 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15720113 eli4life said:
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I’ve never heard anyone say we wanted this guy but got stuck with him instead. He sucks but our guy was gone.

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