I’m pegging then as a 4-5 win team, with 6 being the result of MAJOR overachieving. This is going to be a learning year with a paper thin team (no depth anywhere) thanks to DG’s cap mess he left. They might get some good games in early, but with a roster this thin, by mid-season the inevitable injuries will drag the team down to a LONG run of losses to end the season.
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In comment 15730046 Ira said:
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1) Easier schedule
2) Injuries s/b better
3) Better o-line
4) Better pass rush
Agree w you Ira.
Also I think better coaching. HC, DC, and OC.
This. I agree with the over. Not sure it will be "easy" but I'll be very surprised if we don't win at least 5 of 17 games. I agree with whomever said above that an over-under at 7 makes it tough. 7-10 would not surprise me.
At 4.5 it's an easy over. Last year they had a decimated offensive line and Mike Glennon / Jake fromm combined started 6 games. The schedule was much harder too.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
At 4.5 it's an easy over. Last year they had a decimated offensive line and Mike Glennon / Jake fromm combined started 6 games. The schedule was much harder too.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
In a lot ways, I'm not interested in the Vegas line. I'm curious how much better people think we are over recent iterations of this franchise. Consensus seems to be, we should have a better season this year than has been average over the last five seasons, according to a lot of BBIers. But, I'm also curious if anyone would take the under and why or why not. So far no one is taking the under. I think that's telling of how optimistic people are of this new FO.
I’m pegging then as a 4-5 win team, with 6 being the result of MAJOR overachieving. This is going to be a learning year with a paper thin team (no depth anywhere) thanks to DG’s cap mess he left. They might get some good games in early, but with a roster this thin, by mid-season the inevitable injuries will drag the team down to a LONG run of losses to end the season.
Excellent post. I think the same. The over/under number seems too low. I see about 5 wins.
At 4.5 it's an easy over. Last year they had a decimated offensive line and Mike Glennon / Jake fromm combined started 6 games. The schedule was much harder too.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
I don’t know how Vegas books do it. Maybe a crystal ball, but like setting lines for games, it’s rare they’re not razor close . Don’t expect to win more then 5 games.
I don’t know how Vegas books do it. Maybe a crystal ball, but like setting lines for games, it’s rare they’re not razor close . Don’t expect to win more then 5 games.
I don’t know how Vegas books do it. Maybe a crystal ball, but like setting lines for games, it’s rare they’re not razor close . Don’t expect to win more then 5 games.
Vegas has it at 6.5
I think that's the right number to generate action.
People like the draft (which was VERY good), but forgot that the Giants had to dump most of their depth to comply with the cap. Each and every position on this team is exactly one quality player deep. A 17 game season will not only result in attrition but a LOT of losses.
It has nothing to do with the schedule, the coaching staff or even Jones.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the cap debacle that DG left this team in, forcing them to strip to the bone.
If people don’t adjust their thinking, this site will be an absolute shitshow come December.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think it's an easy over
At 4.5 it's an easy over. Last year they had a decimated offensive line and Mike Glennon / Jake fromm combined started 6 games. The schedule was much harder too.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
In a lot ways, I'm not interested in the Vegas line. I'm curious how much better people think we are over recent iterations of this franchise. Consensus seems to be, we should have a better season this year than has been average over the last five seasons, according to a lot of BBIers. But, I'm also curious if anyone would take the under and why or why not. So far no one is taking the under. I think that's telling of how optimistic people are of this new FO.
Not really that as much as you set the number ridiculously low. Yes people like this front office but many also think they will suck this year.
4 or 5 is ridiculously low over under even if the giants did lose 12 games every year prior. And there are 17 games now which makes it’s even worse.
At 4.5 it's an easy over. Last year they had a decimated offensive line and Mike Glennon / Jake fromm combined started 6 games. The schedule was much harder too.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
In a lot ways, I'm not interested in the Vegas line. I'm curious how much better people think we are over recent iterations of this franchise. Consensus seems to be, we should have a better season this year than has been average over the last five seasons, according to a lot of BBIers. But, I'm also curious if anyone would take the under and why or why not. So far no one is taking the under. I think that's telling of how optimistic people are of this new FO.
Not really that as much as you set the number ridiculously low. Yes people like this front office but many also think they will suck this year.
4 or 5 is ridiculously low over under even if the giants did lose 12 games every year prior. And there are 17 games now which makes it’s even worse.
I disagree and that's the point of thread. rich hit the nail on the head. People are likely going to be very annoying by the end of the year. And it's going to feed the Terps and bw brigade.
Why?
We have a better OL,on paper, and Jones and Barkley should be healthy along with Galloday and Toney. My point is we have not been talented, or healthy or well coached of late and our record shows it. Just stay healthy and hope that we get those early wins that a new team usually always gives away with mental miscues and turnovers they fix as the season progresses.
I will say this: if the starting units can stay "above average healthy" meaning key players on both sides stay healthy we can win 9 games, yes 9 games, as the schedule is not as hard as it could be. But that means Jones, Barkley, Galloday, Toney, Thomas, Glowinski, Neal, Shepard stay healthy on offense and on defense guys like Martinez come back strong and near probowl level again. We need our DL to exhibit superior run defense and generate pressure.
Get healthy. Stay healthy. Practice thru camp. Play the pre-season games for God's sake. And win game 1!
Don’t understand how you can predict a worse record
Last year not only were we a team with no OL to begin with but became the worst injured team since 2009 and we had a tougher schedule. I don’t know what this year will bring but you can’t credibility predict a worse situation than last year. And I think this year we are probably a more talented team on paper.
better coaching and an easier schedule should allow for a modest six or seven win season.
This is a learning year for a lot of the young players,and, more importantly, for the rookie HC and his staff. I hope to see improvement in play, improvement in coaching and improvement in roster management. Wins and losses will not matter as much as the needle pointing in the right direction.
Now had you said 6.5...that would be a much more difficult decision.
This. 6.5 is the Vegas line now, someone said above. That to me is the hard one. I think we'll win at least 5 or 6, maybe 7 or 8 - but that's a big "maybe." My view is that both Daboll/Kafka on O and Wink on D swing for the fences more than the Judge staff. Some games it will work and we'll get some wins. Some games it won't work. And injuries are always a factor.
Now had you said 6.5...that would be a much more difficult decision.
This. 6.5 is the Vegas line now, someone said above. That to me is the hard one. I think we'll win at least 5 or 6, maybe 7 or 8 - but that's a big "maybe." My view is that both Daboll/Kafka on O and Wink on D swing for the fences more than the Judge staff. Some games it will work and we'll get some wins. Some games it won't work. And injuries are always a factor.
That is pretty much my take on this team as well. The question is whether we will see something more consistently like 4th Quarter and OT vs. New Orleans when the previous regime seemed to open the playbook or, at the first sign of trouble, do they turtle?
"easy"
3 out of the last 5 years would be an under... just saying...
They won 4 last year with Jones missing nearly half the games, a worse coaching staff and a more difficult schedule.
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Especially with our QB situation
They won 4 last year with Jones missing nearly half the games, a worse coaching staff and a more difficult schedule.
So now Jones will be healthy and a winning player? We have two injury prone mediocre QBs. Not exactly a recipe for a playoff run.
2) Injuries s/b better
3) Better o-line
4) Better pass rush
2) Injuries s/b better
3) Better o-line
4) Better pass rush
Agree w you Ira.
Also I think better coaching. HC, DC, and OC.
Healthier Barkley in particular.
I think we play meaningful football into December.
Reale01 : 6:17 pm : link : reply
In comment 15730046 Ira said:
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1) Easier schedule
2) Injuries s/b better
3) Better o-line
4) Better pass rush
Agree w you Ira.
Also I think better coaching. HC, DC, and OC.
Healthier Barkley in particular.
I think we play meaningful football into December.
O will be light years better. So will D
Reale01 : 6:17 pm : link : reply
In comment 15730046 Ira said:
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1) Easier schedule
2) Injuries s/b better
3) Better o-line
4) Better pass rush
Agree w you Ira.
Also I think better coaching. HC, DC, and OC.
This. I agree with the over. Not sure it will be "easy" but I'll be very surprised if we don't win at least 5 of 17 games. I agree with whomever said above that an over-under at 7 makes it tough. 7-10 would not surprise me.
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Especially with our QB situation
They won 4 last year with Jones missing nearly half the games, a worse coaching staff and a more difficult schedule.
So now Jones will be healthy and a winning player? We have two injury prone mediocre QBs. Not exactly a recipe for a playoff run.
He didn't say playoff run, he said easy over.
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In comment 15730035 adamg said:
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Especially with our QB situation
They won 4 last year with Jones missing nearly half the games, a worse coaching staff and a more difficult schedule.
So now Jones will be healthy and a winning player? We have two injury prone mediocre QBs. Not exactly a recipe for a playoff run.
He didn't say playoff run, he said easy over.
He can speak for himself.
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In comment 15730039 Toth029 said:
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In comment 15730035 adamg said:
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Especially with our QB situation
They won 4 last year with Jones missing nearly half the games, a worse coaching staff and a more difficult schedule.
So now Jones will be healthy and a winning player? We have two injury prone mediocre QBs. Not exactly a recipe for a playoff run.
He didn't say playoff run, he said easy over.
He can speak for himself.
Get the bug out of your butt.
Get the bug out of your butt.
Fuck off, asshole.
Now, 5.5 or 6.5 ehhhhh.....different story
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
In a lot ways, I'm not interested in the Vegas line. I'm curious how much better people think we are over recent iterations of this franchise. Consensus seems to be, we should have a better season this year than has been average over the last five seasons, according to a lot of BBIers. But, I'm also curious if anyone would take the under and why or why not. So far no one is taking the under. I think that's telling of how optimistic people are of this new FO.
Excellent post. I think the same. The over/under number seems too low. I see about 5 wins.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
Excellent analysis TrueBlue. Makes sense.
This.
Trust Vegas.
With some luck, the OL develops and the Wink defense 9 wins is possible......although unlikely.
All things equal I'd pick the under at 7.5, only because I think 7 is the right ceiling.
But that's dependent on Thomas, Barkley, and Jones not missing significant time. And I'd never bet a dollar on that outcome.
O line much improved. Bellinger, Allen at TE. Barkley healthy. Better coaching.
Every year I say this team will surprise to the upside. Eventually I will be right!
O line much improved. Bellinger, Allen at TE. Barkley healthy. Better coaching.
Every year I say this team will surprise to the upside. Eventually I will be right!
Haha. LFG big blue!
Vegas has it at 6.5
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I don’t know how Vegas books do it. Maybe a crystal ball, but like setting lines for games, it’s rare they’re not razor close . Don’t expect to win more then 5 games.
Vegas has it at 6.5
I think that's the right number to generate action.
People like the draft (which was VERY good), but forgot that the Giants had to dump most of their depth to comply with the cap. Each and every position on this team is exactly one quality player deep. A 17 game season will not only result in attrition but a LOT of losses.
It has nothing to do with the schedule, the coaching staff or even Jones.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the cap debacle that DG left this team in, forcing them to strip to the bone.
If people don’t adjust their thinking, this site will be an absolute shitshow come December.
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Get the bug out of your butt.
Fuck off, asshole.
My comment remains.
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At 4.5 it's an easy over. Last year they had a decimated offensive line and Mike Glennon / Jake fromm combined started 6 games. The schedule was much harder too.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
In a lot ways, I'm not interested in the Vegas line. I'm curious how much better people think we are over recent iterations of this franchise. Consensus seems to be, we should have a better season this year than has been average over the last five seasons, according to a lot of BBIers. But, I'm also curious if anyone would take the under and why or why not. So far no one is taking the under. I think that's telling of how optimistic people are of this new FO.
Not really that as much as you set the number ridiculously low. Yes people like this front office but many also think they will suck this year.
4 or 5 is ridiculously low over under even if the giants did lose 12 games every year prior. And there are 17 games now which makes it’s even worse.
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In comment 15730090 TrueBlue56 said:
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At 4.5 it's an easy over. Last year they had a decimated offensive line and Mike Glennon / Jake fromm combined started 6 games. The schedule was much harder too.
Just for reference vegas has the giants at 7.5. That line is set to get action on both sides.
In a lot ways, I'm not interested in the Vegas line. I'm curious how much better people think we are over recent iterations of this franchise. Consensus seems to be, we should have a better season this year than has been average over the last five seasons, according to a lot of BBIers. But, I'm also curious if anyone would take the under and why or why not. So far no one is taking the under. I think that's telling of how optimistic people are of this new FO.
Not really that as much as you set the number ridiculously low. Yes people like this front office but many also think they will suck this year.
4 or 5 is ridiculously low over under even if the giants did lose 12 games every year prior. And there are 17 games now which makes it’s even worse.
I disagree and that's the point of thread. rich hit the nail on the head. People are likely going to be very annoying by the end of the year. And it's going to feed the Terps and bw brigade.
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Especially with our QB situation
They won 4 last year with Jones missing nearly half the games, a worse coaching staff and a more difficult schedule.
So now Jones will be healthy and a winning player? We have two injury prone mediocre QBs. Not exactly a recipe for a playoff run.
Tyrod Taylor could start the entire year and I still think we could go 6-11, 5-12 at worst.
We have a better OL,on paper, and Jones and Barkley should be healthy along with Galloday and Toney. My point is we have not been talented, or healthy or well coached of late and our record shows it. Just stay healthy and hope that we get those early wins that a new team usually always gives away with mental miscues and turnovers they fix as the season progresses.
I will say this: if the starting units can stay "above average healthy" meaning key players on both sides stay healthy we can win 9 games, yes 9 games, as the schedule is not as hard as it could be. But that means Jones, Barkley, Galloday, Toney, Thomas, Glowinski, Neal, Shepard stay healthy on offense and on defense guys like Martinez come back strong and near probowl level again. We need our DL to exhibit superior run defense and generate pressure.
Get healthy. Stay healthy. Practice thru camp. Play the pre-season games for God's sake. And win game 1!
This is a learning year for a lot of the young players,and, more importantly, for the rookie HC and his staff. I hope to see improvement in play, improvement in coaching and improvement in roster management. Wins and losses will not matter as much as the needle pointing in the right direction.
this is a 4-win team, unless Head Coach Brian Daboll somehow pulls a rabbit out of his hat.
This. 6.5 is the Vegas line now, someone said above. That to me is the hard one. I think we'll win at least 5 or 6, maybe 7 or 8 - but that's a big "maybe." My view is that both Daboll/Kafka on O and Wink on D swing for the fences more than the Judge staff. Some games it will work and we'll get some wins. Some games it won't work. And injuries are always a factor.
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Now had you said 6.5...that would be a much more difficult decision.
This. 6.5 is the Vegas line now, someone said above. That to me is the hard one. I think we'll win at least 5 or 6, maybe 7 or 8 - but that's a big "maybe." My view is that both Daboll/Kafka on O and Wink on D swing for the fences more than the Judge staff. Some games it will work and we'll get some wins. Some games it won't work. And injuries are always a factor.
That is pretty much my take on this team as well. The question is whether we will see something more consistently like 4th Quarter and OT vs. New Orleans when the previous regime seemed to open the playbook or, at the first sign of trouble, do they turtle?