“I strongly believe the Giants should move on from Daniel Jones. We’ve seen a lot of INTs in practice. The big elephant in the room is seeing Tyrod Taylor do things in practice that Jones is struggling with” - Emory Hunt (CBS Sports)
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
Mary- why are so angry? The Giants picked your guys with conviction in 2018 and 2019 and you even said so. Remember?
Are you having regrets?
I regret they and the rest of the team have lost and lost often. I regret that I have spent and spend a lot of $$ on tickets and have not seen a good product in a long time. I regret that it has not happened and then we have armchair GM's like you and your friend telling everyone how much you despise DJ, Barkley. I regret you do not understand the game and that the game is won in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I regret not buying Amazon when it 1st came out. Other than that not to many other regrets as time is short enjoy it stay positive it is better than regrets.
I regret the Giants have made a ton of bad decisions
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
Ummm media fabricated material? It’s done on a daily basis. Manipulating facts so people can click on a site or watch a show is part of being in the media.
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
He works for himself. He is looking for idiots like you to click on what he says and try and make himself more popular. He was on here as a poster what does that tell you. Let me type this slowly for you. WHAT HE WROTE IS NOT ACCURATE. Say what you want about DJ he has not lived up to where he was drafted great. This clown has lied about what actually happened and clowns like you and your two other friends continue to go in here and take any narrative you can to try to prove that you were right about DJ. He Is in a prove it now year for a new contract. If it doesn’t work out for him it doesn’t work out we move forward but listening to people Crowe about someone who wrote an in accurate article just to try to push their narrative is ridiculous.
you also don't seem very good at not ignoring people.
News flash. It's pro Daniel Jones people that need to have a narrative. I don't need a narrative I have DJs performance to point to that's all. His performance has been bad. That's not a narrative it's just data.
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He works for himself. He is looking for idiots like you to click on what he says and try and make himself more popular. He was on here as a poster what does that tell you. Let me type this slowly for you. WHAT HE WROTE IS NOT ACCURATE. Say what you want about DJ he has not lived up to where he was drafted great. This clown has lied about what actually happened and clowns like you and your two other friends continue to go in here and take any narrative you can to try to prove that you were right about DJ. He Is in a prove it now year for a new contract. If it doesn’t work out for him it doesn’t work out we move forward but listening to people Crowe about someone who wrote an in accurate article just to try to push their narrative is ridiculous.
With the most experience in the new system is performing better? You don’t say.
Exactly, but you create a narrative on here others will buy it.
PP I agree completely, I am glad they called him out. He should be called out, some QB's take longer to mature. People have such short memories, Aaron Rodgers did not play for 3 years. Can you imagine what BBI would look like if the Giants drafted a QB in the 1st round and he did not start playing until his 4th year?
How would Taylor know Daboll's offense? The Bills traded him in March 2018, before Daboll called a single play.
knowing Daboll's system, and I have to ask, how? Daboll was hired by BUFF as OC in Jan 2018, Taylor was traded in March. So maybe TT got a look at the playbook FOUR YEARS AGO!, but didn't participate in OTA's or mini-camps. This idea that he has some kind of edge because he worked with Daboll before is misguided.
a few posters have for DJ. Like I have said before DJ has not done himself a lot of good by his play. Was it the OL, was it him, is it a little bit of both who knows. Phil Simms did not start becoming Phil Simms until 1984. He was hurt he turned the ball over he got benched in place of Scott Brunner. A funny thing happened he grew up got stronger, he became a leader and led us to 2 Super Bowls. Can DJ be a Simms I guess we will only know if we play him. I am looking forward to see if he can turn the corner. I believe he has the right people around him to do it.
I've posted some of his videos here in the past. He's an excellent interviewer. But this was beneath him, in my opinion.
He was pissed that the Giants drafted Jones over Haskins, and it seems to me he's still pissed about it. When it comes to Jones, he makes Go Terps look like djm. I'm glad Bobby Skinner called him out on it.
sports journalists lie, and lie a lot, for clicks. They fabricate stories all the time, stretch truths, and inject their biases in their work. I can't believe that's being questioned.
Emory Hunt isn't the first and won't be the last sports journalist to go to an extreme to prove a point. Plenty of ways to discuss Jones being a sub-par QB - he took the cheap road to get there and its perfectly fine to call him out on that.
a few posters have for DJ. Like I have said before DJ has not done himself a lot of good by his play. Was it the OL, was it him, is it a little bit of both who knows. Phil Simms did not start becoming Phil Simms until 1984. He was hurt he turned the ball over he got benched in place of Scott Brunner. A funny thing happened he grew up got stronger, he became a leader and led us to 2 Super Bowls. Can DJ be a Simms I guess we will only know if we play him. I am looking forward to see if he can turn the corner. I believe he has the right people around him to do it.
Taylor was an incumbent from the prior regime in Buffalo; he played one season there after Schoen joined Beane in the Buffalo FO, and Daboll was not yet there (he became OC in 2018). They traded Taylor for a 3rd round pick in the 2018 offseason.
For all we know, Schoen might do exactly the same with Jones right now if he had a day 2 offer on the table. Don't make it out like they just dumped TT, because they didn't.
He does watch a lot of film but he often has some outrageous takes. I’ve known of him for a long time. He does a lot of work for FCS football. He’s very big on the smaller school prospects around draft time. He’s an interesting listen around draft time but I don’t put much stock into his takes.
Emory does watch a lot of film and is not afraid to take a contrarian view. He is right some times and wrong as well, but he has always taken a negative view of Daniel Jones, but it comes across as bias rather than a fair assessment, similar to some on BBi who take it personally. Its as if he doesn’t want to be wrong and doesn’t look at it fairly.
So lets say Jones did throw more picks than Tyrod, whats the big deal? Tyrod knows the system better, he should be better at this stage. Dabes has told Daniel Jones to take chances and get the Jason Garret conservatism out of his system. This all has to play out. Maybe Jones isn’t the guy, but for Gods sake lets play this out!
Taylor never played for any of the Giants' offensive coaches. None of them.
People are so desperate to be right about him they flat out lie.
Skinner from Talkin Giants checked in with the beat reporters and Emory Hunt is a bald-faced liar. The question is....why? Hopefully this is the end of his credibility if he ever had any.
People are so desperate to be right about him they flat out lie.
Skinner from Talkin Giants checked in with the beat reporters and Emory Hunt is a bald-faced liar. The question is....why? Hopefully this is the end of his credibility if he ever had any.
Then he'd be just like you, and no one wants that.
Could you imagine Joe Schoen sitting in his office saying, "Maybe Jones is really good...remember Phil Simms?"
Your response speaks for itself. The day you leave this board the better it becomes immediately. Your like a 5 yr old. The point about Simms was he was injury prone early in his career he turned the ball over. Since this is a Giants board I made a reference to someone people may have been able to relate to. Many in NY were calling for Simms to go, same thing you are doing for Jones. Simms proved his detractors wrong, won 2 super bowls for his team. Jones has a chance to prove his detractors wrong too and I hope he does just that.
Could you imagine Joe Schoen sitting in his office saying, "Maybe Jones is really good...remember Phil Simms?"
Your response speaks for itself. The day you leave this board the better it becomes immediately. Your like a 5 yr old. The point about Simms was he was injury prone early in his career he turned the ball over. Since this is a Giants board I made a reference to someone people may have been able to relate to. Many in NY were calling for Simms to go, same thing you are doing for Jones. Simms proved his detractors wrong, won 2 super bowls for his team. Jones has a chance to prove his detractors wrong too and I hope he does just that.
I will ask yet again...why don't you like Maryland?
is mystifying. Nobody gives a shit about Daniel Jones. Nobody thinks about him besides Giants fans. He's not a fun mega bust like Johnny Football. He's not good. He's really boring as a player. Hes never said anything interesting.
Jones is a completely insignificant, forgettable player. One of many 1st round QBs who are destined for a backup role and eventually a quiet exit from the league.
is mystifying. Nobody gives a shit about Daniel Jones. Nobody thinks about him besides Giants fans. He's not a fun mega bust like Johnny Football. He's not good. He's really boring as a player. Hes never said anything interesting.
Jones is a completely insignificant, forgettable player. One of many 1st round QBs who are destined for a backup role and eventually a quiet exit from the league.
If he played in Jacksonville he wouldn't generate clicks, but because he plays in NY he does
is mystifying. Nobody gives a shit about Daniel Jones. Nobody thinks about him besides Giants fans. He's not a fun mega bust like Johnny Football. He's not good. He's really boring as a player. Hes never said anything interesting.
Jones is a completely insignificant, forgettable player. One of many 1st round QBs who are destined for a backup role and eventually a quiet exit from the league.
Tearing down the QB of a major market team always generates clicks. It did for Mark Sanchez, why wouldn’t it for Jones?
It’s pretty funny seeing people unable to recognize or admit it’s clickbait because they also think Jones sucks. The guy lied, why is that ok with everyone?
What if Hunt has reports from the closed OTAs indicating that Jones threw a lot of INTs in those sessions?
First, when practices are closed to the media. No one has access (other then giants media) and as far as someone reporting to him. It's secondhand information. He did not see it for himself and he is saying that he did.
bald-faced lying about his performance pretty desperate.
"Bald faced lying". Eric just listed 3 picks by Jones (of course two were excused because, well, Jones). We do not know what went on during the OTA's where there was no media but that does not mean a Hunt doesn't have sources. As for the "beat" reporters well the tune on the house organ is "Oh Danny Dimes" so don't expect much emphasis on anything negative out of OTA's.
bald-faced lying about his performance pretty desperate.
"Bald faced lying". Eric just listed 3 picks by Jones (of course two were excused because, well, Jones). We do not know what went on during the OTA's where there was no media but that does not mean a Hunt doesn't have sources. As for the "beat" reporters well the tune on the house organ is "Oh Danny Dimes" so don't expect much emphasis on anything negative out of OTA's.
Right, because we all know Jordan raanan and pat leonard would totally pass on an opportunity to create a quarterback controversy or continue to bang the drum on Daniel Jones turning the ball over.
Of course Emory hunt has more inside contacts, despite him saying "we have seen", but hey his comments fit your agenda so continue on.
a few posters have for DJ. Like I have said before DJ has not done himself a lot of good by his play. Was it the OL, was it him, is it a little bit of both who knows. Phil Simms did not start becoming Phil Simms until 1984. He was hurt he turned the ball over he got benched in place of Scott Brunner. A funny thing happened he grew up got stronger, he became a leader and led us to 2 Super Bowls. Can DJ be a Simms I guess we will only know if we play him. I am looking forward to see if he can turn the corner. I believe he has the right people around him to do it.
This stupid Simms comparison again?? Let's forget the fact that Simms was a product of Morehead State and not a power conference with 4 years of professional qb coahcing. Simms went 6-5 his rookie year with a team that was 6-10 the year before and would be 6-10 when the other qb's contrivbed to go 05. In Simms' 4th season (after having missed 2 almost completely due to injury), the team was 9-7, Simms was a top 10 qb, and the team made the playoffs. Couldn't be more different than Jones.
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
Mary- why are so angry? The Giants picked your guys with conviction in 2018 and 2019 and you even said so. Remember?
Are you having regrets?
I regret they and the rest of the team have lost and lost often. I regret that I have spent and spend a lot of $$ on tickets and have not seen a good product in a long time. I regret that it has not happened and then we have armchair GM's like you and your friend telling everyone how much you despise DJ, Barkley. I regret you do not understand the game and that the game is won in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I regret not buying Amazon when it 1st came out. Other than that not to many other regrets as time is short enjoy it stay positive it is better than regrets.
I regret that even with hindsight you cannot just say... Googs, you were right...
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
Ummm media fabricated material? It’s done on a daily basis. Manipulating facts so people can click on a site or watch a show is part of being in the media.
In fact if this was completely false I'd bet Pat Hanlon would be on a tirade about it. He's done it for less.
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
He works for himself. He is looking for idiots like you to click on what he says and try and make himself more popular. He was on here as a poster what does that tell you. Let me type this slowly for you. WHAT HE WROTE IS NOT ACCURATE. Say what you want about DJ he has not lived up to where he was drafted great. This clown has lied about what actually happened and clowns like you and your two other friends continue to go in here and take any narrative you can to try to prove that you were right about DJ. He Is in a prove it now year for a new contract. If it doesn’t work out for him it doesn’t work out we move forward but listening to people Crowe about someone who wrote an in accurate article just to try to push their narrative is ridiculous.
News flash. It's pro Daniel Jones people that need to have a narrative. I don't need a narrative I have DJs performance to point to that's all. His performance has been bad. That's not a narrative it's just data.
He works for himself. He is looking for idiots like you to click on what he says and try and make himself more popular. He was on here as a poster what does that tell you. Let me type this slowly for you. WHAT HE WROTE IS NOT ACCURATE. Say what you want about DJ he has not lived up to where he was drafted great. This clown has lied about what actually happened and clowns like you and your two other friends continue to go in here and take any narrative you can to try to prove that you were right about DJ. He Is in a prove it now year for a new contract. If it doesn’t work out for him it doesn’t work out we move forward but listening to people Crowe about someone who wrote an in accurate article just to try to push their narrative is ridiculous.
How come you don't like Maryland?
I actually started watching his YT videos because he would post them here on BBI when I was lurking.
No amazing insight, but he clearly put the work in.
But this was clearly misinformation, and the fact that it was seemingly intentional is odd to say the least.
I liked Skinner and Penik calling him out on it.
How would Taylor know Daboll's offense? The Bills traded him in March 2018, before Daboll called a single play.
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With the most experience in the new system is performing better? You don’t say.
Exactly, but you create a narrative on here others will buy it.
PP I agree completely, I am glad they called him out. He should be called out, some QB's take longer to mature. People have such short memories, Aaron Rodgers did not play for 3 years. Can you imagine what BBI would look like if the Giants drafted a QB in the 1st round and he did not start playing until his 4th year?
How would Taylor know Daboll's offense? The Bills traded him in March 2018, before Daboll called a single play.
He was pissed that the Giants drafted Jones over Haskins, and it seems to me he's still pissed about it. When it comes to Jones, he makes Go Terps look like djm. I'm glad Bobby Skinner called him out on it.
Emory Hunt isn't the first and won't be the last sports journalist to go to an extreme to prove a point. Plenty of ways to discuss Jones being a sub-par QB - he took the cheap road to get there and its perfectly fine to call him out on that.
So how come you don't like Maryland?
Taylor was an incumbent from the prior regime in Buffalo; he played one season there after Schoen joined Beane in the Buffalo FO, and Daboll was not yet there (he became OC in 2018). They traded Taylor for a 3rd round pick in the 2018 offseason.
For all we know, Schoen might do exactly the same with Jones right now if he had a day 2 offer on the table. Don't make it out like they just dumped TT, because they didn't.
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He does watch a lot of film but he often has some outrageous takes. I’ve known of him for a long time. He does a lot of work for FCS football. He’s very big on the smaller school prospects around draft time. He’s an interesting listen around draft time but I don’t put much stock into his takes.
Emory does watch a lot of film and is not afraid to take a contrarian view. He is right some times and wrong as well, but he has always taken a negative view of Daniel Jones, but it comes across as bias rather than a fair assessment, similar to some on BBi who take it personally. Its as if he doesn’t want to be wrong and doesn’t look at it fairly.
So lets say Jones did throw more picks than Tyrod, whats the big deal? Tyrod knows the system better, he should be better at this stage. Dabes has told Daniel Jones to take chances and get the Jason Garret conservatism out of his system. This all has to play out. Maybe Jones isn’t the guy, but for Gods sake lets play this out!
Taylor never played for any of the Giants' offensive coaches. None of them.
So how does he know the system better?
Well, that would at least mean he has a direct source for his information which would be drastically different than what was provided with that quote.
I am not sure why someone would not include a line that helps at least qualify their information; “According to what I have heard…”
Reports from whom?
All his years of going to Giants training camps, and I can't remember a single instance of him breaking news or having an inside source.
It's not what he does. He was on the sideline during the OTAs and said...
"We've seen a lot of INTs in practice."
Simplest answers and all that.
Skinner from Talkin Giants checked in with the beat reporters and Emory Hunt is a bald-faced liar. The question is....why? Hopefully this is the end of his credibility if he ever had any.
Skinner from Talkin Giants checked in with the beat reporters and Emory Hunt is a bald-faced liar. The question is....why? Hopefully this is the end of his credibility if he ever had any.
Then he'd be just like you, and no one wants that.
Your response speaks for itself. The day you leave this board the better it becomes immediately. Your like a 5 yr old. The point about Simms was he was injury prone early in his career he turned the ball over. Since this is a Giants board I made a reference to someone people may have been able to relate to. Many in NY were calling for Simms to go, same thing you are doing for Jones. Simms proved his detractors wrong, won 2 super bowls for his team. Jones has a chance to prove his detractors wrong too and I hope he does just that.
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Could you imagine Joe Schoen sitting in his office saying, "Maybe Jones is really good...remember Phil Simms?"
Your response speaks for itself. The day you leave this board the better it becomes immediately. Your like a 5 yr old. The point about Simms was he was injury prone early in his career he turned the ball over. Since this is a Giants board I made a reference to someone people may have been able to relate to. Many in NY were calling for Simms to go, same thing you are doing for Jones. Simms proved his detractors wrong, won 2 super bowls for his team. Jones has a chance to prove his detractors wrong too and I hope he does just that.
I will ask yet again...why don't you like Maryland?
Jones is a completely insignificant, forgettable player. One of many 1st round QBs who are destined for a backup role and eventually a quiet exit from the league.
I’m not high on DJ at this point, but how many times does this shit need to be done?
Jones is a completely insignificant, forgettable player. One of many 1st round QBs who are destined for a backup role and eventually a quiet exit from the league.
If he played in Jacksonville he wouldn't generate clicks, but because he plays in NY he does
Jones is a completely insignificant, forgettable player. One of many 1st round QBs who are destined for a backup role and eventually a quiet exit from the league.
Tearing down the QB of a major market team always generates clicks. It did for Mark Sanchez, why wouldn’t it for Jones?
It’s pretty funny seeing people unable to recognize or admit it’s clickbait because they also think Jones sucks. The guy lied, why is that ok with everyone?
There are legitimate reasons to argue pro and con about DJ but Hunt's argument is dead on arrival.
First, when practices are closed to the media. No one has access (other then giants media) and as far as someone reporting to him. It's secondhand information. He did not see it for himself and he is saying that he did.
Tryod Taylor has proven on the field that he is better than Jones. I would expect he looks better in practice too.
It's reasonable.
Tryod Taylor has proven on the field that he is better than Jones. I would expect he looks better in practice too.
It's reasonable.
When has this been the case? Tyrod is an adequate back up quarterback at best.
Why do people continue to complain about the same player on 1,000 different posts?
Tryod Taylor has proven on the field that he is better than Jones. I would expect he looks better in practice too.
It's reasonable.
When the hell did he do this? This is your opinion and basing it by your name your probably high watching the games.
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Why do people post on a thread to complain about the thread?
Why do people continue to complain about the same player on 1,000 different posts?
Stop dodging...why do hate Maryland?
True.
But Jones still sucks ass
His detractors aren't the desperate ones, they're the ones with mounds of evidence on their side
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bald-faced lying about his performance pretty desperate.
"Bald faced lying". Eric just listed 3 picks by Jones (of course two were excused because, well, Jones). We do not know what went on during the OTA's where there was no media but that does not mean a Hunt doesn't have sources. As for the "beat" reporters well the tune on the house organ is "Oh Danny Dimes" so don't expect much emphasis on anything negative out of OTA's.
Right, because we all know Jordan raanan and pat leonard would totally pass on an opportunity to create a quarterback controversy or continue to bang the drum on Daniel Jones turning the ball over.
Of course Emory hunt has more inside contacts, despite him saying "we have seen", but hey his comments fit your agenda so continue on.