“I strongly believe the Giants should move on from Daniel Jones. We’ve seen a lot of INTs in practice. The big elephant in the room is seeing Tyrod Taylor do things in practice that Jones is struggling with” - Emory Hunt (CBS Sports)
not saying we are not going to hear some say we have a QB controversy.
But Hunt is not basing that on what has transpired in the practices that he has been able to attend.
If he was smarter, he would have not said Jones has been throwing a lot of picks (because he hasn't). He would have simply said the back-up(s) have been sharper.
So even if he was trying to stir up shit, he's really bad at it.
His remarks about seeing Taylor do things Jones can't is a direct contradiction to what Raanan has reported. JR in his pod cast has stated you can visibly see Jones make throws Taylor can't.
Also, if your criticism is interceptions in practice
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Except that's not what is going on here.
Hunt is claiming Jones has thrown a bunch of interceptions.
That's demonstrably false in the practices open to the media.
Taylor could beat out Jones (though he hasn't received first-team reps and the GM and HC are adamant that will not happen). But Hunt is continuing the somewhat false media narrative that Jones has been a turnover machine. Jones' problems last year weren't turnovers (especially if you take away the picks that weren't on him). His problem last year is his offense didn't score.
If you are going to attack Jones, there are better ways to do it.
not saying we are not going to hear some say we have a QB controversy.
But Hunt is not basing that on what has transpired in the practices that he has been able to attend.
If he was smarter, he would have not said Jones has been throwing a lot of picks (because he hasn't). He would have simply said the back-up(s) have been sharper.
So even if he was trying to stir up shit, he's really bad at it.
His remarks about seeing Taylor do things Jones can't is a direct contradiction to what Raanan has reported. JR in his pod cast has stated you can visibly see Jones make throws Taylor can't.
Those are not necessarily contradictory statements. Taylor is probably more accurate and headier whereas Jones has the better arm that allows for us to attack short, middle, and deep.
and suggests he's not paying attention to the strategy here. Jones has been playing with an arm tied behind his back for two years in Garrett's ultra conservative system intended to reduce turnovers. Daboll has stated that they are trying to get them to go out an let it rip and not be afraid to make mistakes in practice, and several players have confirmed as much.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Except that's not what is going on here.
Hunt is claiming Jones has thrown a bunch of interceptions.
That's demonstrably false in the practices open to the media.
Taylor could beat out Jones (though he hasn't received first-team reps and the GM and HC are adamant that will not happen). But Hunt is continuing the somewhat false media narrative that Jones has been a turnover machine. Jones' problems last year weren't turnovers (especially if you take away the picks that weren't on him). His problem last year is his offense didn't score.
If you are going to attack Jones, there are better ways to do it.
Well when you have this report and RV on complete opposite sides someone is stretching the truth at the very least and based on my experience with reporters and this team I'd bet against RV being the accurate one.
I don't want to insult Jones I want to insult the NY media that panders to the Giants as opposed to trying to report accurately. I'm not even commenting on the accuracy of Hunt really just that the Giants will twist the arms of whoever they can to have a rosy picture painted for them. And this kind of reporting from Hunt actually swings the opposite way that it is likely to decrease his access. A disincentive. The Giants homers don't really care about being accurate, clearly. Other reporters have more of an incentive to.
and suggests he's not paying attention to the strategy here. Jones has been playing with an arm tied behind his back for two years in Garrett's ultra conservative system intended to reduce turnovers. Daboll has stated that they are trying to get them to go out an let it rip and not be afraid to make mistakes in practice, and several players have confirmed as much.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
To further this point, last year I heard an interview with Dak Presoctt on NFL Radio. He basically said he didn't give a damn how many INT's he threw in training camp/practice. He knew when to throw it away in the regular season, but in training camp/practice where there are not as rigid "downs" he did not see the advantage in preventing a WR from getting an attempt to catch the ball.
not saying we are not going to hear some say we have a QB controversy.
But Hunt is not basing that on what has transpired in the practices that he has been able to attend.
If he was smarter, he would have not said Jones has been throwing a lot of picks (because he hasn't). He would have simply said the back-up(s) have been sharper.
So even if he was trying to stir up shit, he's really bad at it.
His remarks about seeing Taylor do things Jones can't is a direct contradiction to what Raanan has reported. JR in his pod cast has stated you can visibly see Jones make throws Taylor can't.
Those are not necessarily contradictory statements. Taylor is probably more accurate and headier whereas Jones has the better arm that allows for us to attack short, middle, and deep.
You are drawing a line of distinction that neither source intended to make. At least not without clarification. If you listen to Raanan's remarks, it would be contradictory to assume that someone who chose his words to contrasted the two QBs would be in agreement with the observations Hunt makes.
No matter what. If a report came out that had Jones throwing significantly more touchdowns than he was there would be a different crowd denying the report and rightfully so. I can’t imagine Jones being a good quarterback for the Giants, but there are plenty of ways out evidence than making up your own facts.
and suggests he's not paying attention to the strategy here. Jones has been playing with an arm tied behind his back for two years in Garrett's ultra conservative system intended to reduce turnovers. Daboll has stated that they are trying to get them to go out an let it rip and not be afraid to make mistakes in practice, and several players have confirmed as much.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
To further this point, last year I heard an interview with Dak Presoctt on NFL Radio. He basically said he didn't give a damn how many INT's he threw in training camp/practice. He knew when to throw it away in the regular season, but in training camp/practice where there are not as rigid "downs" he did not see the advantage in preventing a WR from getting an attempt to catch the ball.
Yep, that's a very good example.
This is typical "no news" news - and simply an opinion
from a writer who's looking for clicks. The problem with the NFL (and the great thing) is that it is a 12-month never ending news cycle; but the fact is that what people see on the field at OTA's is relatively meaningless. They are installing a new offense in a small number of non-contact practices - you really think that anyone puts that much stock in the results of these drills? Daboll and Kafka are more concerned with how people are picking up the offense, how they are working, etc. than he is about "results" during OTA's.
Nothing to see here - let's wait until some preseason games and we'll actually get to see this new offense.
and suggests he's not paying attention to the strategy here. Jones has been playing with an arm tied behind his back for two years in Garrett's ultra conservative system intended to reduce turnovers. Daboll has stated that they are trying to get them to go out an let it rip and not be afraid to make mistakes in practice, and several players have confirmed as much.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
Designed to reduce the turnovers that the qb was generating through fumbles, interceptions, poor reads and less than stellar accuracy.
I agree with Daboll though- throw Jones in the deep end and he will either sink or swim.
I don't know whether this Hunt is accurate or not. No one does, and you are not going to find out from the NYG house lap dog press.
Daboll needs to learn too- how much was the Bills offense his scheme and how much was the extraordinary abilities of the built-like-a-fullback running ability and howitzer throwing arm of Josh Allen.
RE: RE: I do think if we had an open QB competition...
A couple weeks ago Duggan said the fans will want a QB competition after watching Taylor play.
I desperately want a competition. I think it would be good for Jones too. Winning a fair competition in front of his teammates would do is confidence well. I think he would lose such a competition.
However, no one should bet the farm on anyone's opinion here so an actual competition would be best for all parties. All of the other positions on the team are supposed to be open. Jones' play on the field begs competition. He has done nothing to deserve a scholarship.
… what’s the basis for our assumption that Taylor came in knowing the system?
Here’s his NFL CV:
Baltimore Ravens (2011–2014)
Buffalo Bills (2015–2017)
Cleveland Browns (2018)
Los Angeles Chargers (2019–2020)
Houston Texans (2021)
New York Giants (2022–present)
Here’s Daboll’s:
New England Patriots (2000–2001) Defensive assistant
New England Patriots (2002–2006) Wide receivers coach
New York Jets (2007–2008)Quarterbacks coach
Cleveland Browns (2009–2010) Offensive coordinator
Miami Dolphins (2011) Offensive coordinator
Kansas City Chiefs (2012) Offensive coordinator
New England Patriots (2013–2016) Tight ends coach
Alabama (2017) Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach
Buffalo Bills (2018–2021) Offensive coordinator
New York Giants (2022–present) Head coach
And Kafka’s:
Kansas City Chiefs (2017) Offensive quality control coach
Kansas City Chiefs (2018–2019)Quarterbacks coach
Kansas City Chiefs (2020–2021)Quarterbacks coach & passing game coordinator
New York Giants (2022–present) Offensive coordinator
I must be missing a connection somewhere. Did McDermott keep the same system when he fired Rick Dennison and hired Daboll in 2018?
No matter what. If a report came out that had Jones throwing significantly more touchdowns than he was there would be a different crowd denying the report and rightfully so. I can’t imagine Jones being a good quarterback for the Giants, but there are plenty of ways out evidence than making up your own facts.
That's where I'm at. Haven't read through the whole thread but if Hunt is claiming things that didn't happen (lots of INT's at OTAs) as a focal point in his argument, he shouldn't be taken seriously.
Plenty of other ways to accurately talk about Jones' struggles at QB.
and suggests he's not paying attention to the strategy here. Jones has been playing with an arm tied behind his back for two years in Garrett's ultra conservative system intended to reduce turnovers. Daboll has stated that they are trying to get them to go out an let it rip and not be afraid to make mistakes in practice, and several players have confirmed as much.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
Designed to reduce the turnovers that the qb was generating through fumbles, interceptions, poor reads and less than stellar accuracy.
I agree with Daboll though- throw Jones in the deep end and he will either sink or swim.
I don't know whether this Hunt is accurate or not. No one does, and you are not going to find out from the NYG house lap dog press.
Daboll needs to learn too- how much was the Bills offense his scheme and how much was the extraordinary abilities of the built-like-a-fullback running ability and howitzer throwing arm of Josh Allen.
This is very simple. If the head coach is trying to get the starting QB to let lose and messaging that it is ok to make mistakes in practice, then evaluating the QB on interceptions thrown at this point is absurd. That is truth 1. Truth 2 is, the idea that Jones has thrown a lot of INTs in the visible portion of practice is just inaccurate. And yes, INTs are something that are always widely reported on and not subject to interpretation. I'm not saying anything one way or the other about Jones. But the reporting here is clearly off the mark.
RE: RE: RE: It's always odd that sports writers that
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Except that's not what is going on here.
Hunt is claiming Jones has thrown a bunch of interceptions.
That's demonstrably false in the practices open to the media.
Taylor could beat out Jones (though he hasn't received first-team reps and the GM and HC are adamant that will not happen). But Hunt is continuing the somewhat false media narrative that Jones has been a turnover machine. Jones' problems last year weren't turnovers (especially if you take away the picks that weren't on him). His problem last year is his offense didn't score.
If you are going to attack Jones, there are better ways to do it.
Well when you have this report and RV on complete opposite sides someone is stretching the truth at the very least and based on my experience with reporters and this team I'd bet against RV being the accurate one.
I don't want to insult Jones I want to insult the NY media that panders to the Giants as opposed to trying to report accurately. I'm not even commenting on the accuracy of Hunt really just that the Giants will twist the arms of whoever they can to have a rosy picture painted for them. And this kind of reporting from Hunt actually swings the opposite way that it is likely to decrease his access. A disincentive. The Giants homers don't really care about being accurate, clearly. Other reporters have more of an incentive to.
Color me shocked that when choosing sides, you would go with the negative despite the many numerous reports by more media that have been at every open media practice. Yes, including the shit-stirrers like raanan and pat leonard that would love to jump on an opportunity to create controversy. It can't be possible that Emory hunt is biased or that he is making garbage up to further cement his feelings towards Daniel Jones from day 1.
I can tell you, the beat reporters have been to every media access practice all off season. Has Emory hunt?
Are that Tyrod Taylor has played better professional football than Daniel Jones and has more experience.
Mini camp evaluations are silly.
Let's see what happens when we hit actual training camp, joint practices and some preseason games. I think we will get an extended look at Taylor in preseason games. They will try to protect Mr. Glass. I am very interested.
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Except that's not what is going on here.
Hunt is claiming Jones has thrown a bunch of interceptions.
That's demonstrably false in the practices open to the media.
Taylor could beat out Jones (though he hasn't received first-team reps and the GM and HC are adamant that will not happen). But Hunt is continuing the somewhat false media narrative that Jones has been a turnover machine. Jones' problems last year weren't turnovers (especially if you take away the picks that weren't on him). His problem last year is his offense didn't score.
If you are going to attack Jones, there are better ways to do it.
Well when you have this report and RV on complete opposite sides someone is stretching the truth at the very least and based on my experience with reporters and this team I'd bet against RV being the accurate one.
I don't want to insult Jones I want to insult the NY media that panders to the Giants as opposed to trying to report accurately. I'm not even commenting on the accuracy of Hunt really just that the Giants will twist the arms of whoever they can to have a rosy picture painted for them. And this kind of reporting from Hunt actually swings the opposite way that it is likely to decrease his access. A disincentive. The Giants homers don't really care about being accurate, clearly. Other reporters have more of an incentive to.
Color me shocked that when choosing sides, you would go with the negative despite the many numerous reports by more media that have been at every open media practice. Yes, including the shit-stirrers like raanan and pat leonard that would love to jump on an opportunity to create controversy. It can't be possible that Emory hunt is biased or that he is making garbage up to further cement his feelings towards Daniel Jones from day 1.
I can tell you, the beat reporters have been to every media access practice all off season. Has Emory hunt?
I have no idea who you are. And again, I'm not picking sides. Just pointing out how people love to imply people are hacks when they disagree with Jints central. And robustly ignore the hacks writing what the Giants want them to.
Besides, no one should be clutching their pearls that TT could legitimately win a QB competition. You have Jones defenders acting like people are insane to suggest that when it is very sane to say it's possible. It's intellectually dishonest to deny that there is at least potential for TT to be the better performing QB based on how bad DJ has been. But don't tell the DJ pearl clutchers that.
The same people want to throw mud at anyone who isn't on the optimistic side for the team and do everything possible not to criticize the team when they objectively are terrible. Sorry but that's the crazy way to operate. Not the way I do
Some OTAs were open to the press and others weren’t, right? How do we know Hunt doesn’t have sources on the team giving him information on how the closed OTAs went?
Some OTAs were open to the press and others weren’t, right? How do we know Hunt doesn’t have sources on the team giving him information on how the closed OTAs went?
He specifically states “WE’VE seen a lot of interceptions in practice”. He didn’t say “sources tell me…”. He said “WE’VE seen…”.
Yet, you called me a horrible poster. Did you not read what Eric and others wrote, DJ did not throw an INT in the OTA's. Do you now see how dumb you and other posters like the guy you usually have your head up his colon look with comments like these?
Please forget the facts just tell us how you feel. Unbelievable!!!
Yet, you called me a horrible poster. Did you not read what Eric and others wrote, DJ did not throw an INT in the OTA's. Do you now see how dumb you and other posters like the guy you usually have your head up his colon look with comments like these?
Please forget the facts just tell us how you feel. Unbelievable!!!
He didn’t throw any ints...are you sure? Check that out.
I feel like you are a bad poster. And were the first time you showed up and still are...
However, he is the Giants QB, so I support him and hope that he is successful. I want him to become a great QB and the Giants to win a Super Bowl.
I enjoy hearing positives about Jones' development as it offers some hope.
There are some posters who are so anti Jones, that they will not be satisfied until Jones is gone. They would rather that the Giants lose, Jones plays poorly, and as a result Jones is not here next year.
Only via this scenario can they vindicate their enmity and their scathing criticisms of Jones.
This sums up things perfectly. If Jones succeeds there will be heads exploding all over BBI. Go Blue!!
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
Mary- why are so angry? The Giants picked your guys with conviction in 2018 and 2019 and you even said so. Remember?
Yet, you called me a horrible poster. Did you not read what Eric and others wrote, DJ did not throw an INT in the OTA's. Do you now see how dumb you and other posters like the guy you usually have your head up his colon look with comments like these?
Please forget the facts just tell us how you feel. Unbelievable!!!
He didn’t throw any ints...are you sure? Check that out.
I feel like you are a bad poster. And were the first time you showed up and still are...
So you get called out and proven to be a fraud, so the defense of that of course I'm a dupe. Typical. You are pathetic.
Yet, you called me a horrible poster. Did you not read what Eric and others wrote, DJ did not throw an INT in the OTA's. Do you now see how dumb you and other posters like the guy you usually have your head up his colon look with comments like these?
Please forget the facts just tell us how you feel. Unbelievable!!!
He didn’t throw any ints...are you sure? Check that out.
I feel like you are a bad poster. And were the first time you showed up and still are...
So you get called out and proven to be a fraud, so the defense of that of course I'm a dupe. Typical. You are pathetic.
Called out and proven to be a fraud? How’s that Mary...let me know?
RE: RE: RE: It's always odd that sports writers that
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
Mary- why are so angry? The Giants picked your guys with conviction in 2018 and 2019 and you even said so. Remember?
Are you having regrets?
I regret they and the rest of the team have lost and lost often. I regret that I have spent and spend a lot of $$ on tickets and have not seen a good product in a long time. I regret that it has not happened and then we have armchair GM's like you and your friend telling everyone how much you despise DJ, Barkley. I regret you do not understand the game and that the game is won in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I regret not buying Amazon when it 1st came out. Other than that not to many other regrets as time is short enjoy it stay positive it is better than regrets.
I regret the Giants have made a ton of bad decisions
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
RE: RE: RE: It's always odd that sports writers that
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
Ummm media fabricated material? It’s done on a daily basis. Manipulating facts so people can click on a site or watch a show is part of being in the media.
say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
He works for himself. He is looking for idiots like you to click on what he says and try and make himself more popular. He was on here as a poster what does that tell you. Let me type this slowly for you. WHAT HE WROTE IS NOT ACCURATE. Say what you want about DJ he has not lived up to where he was drafted great. This clown has lied about what actually happened and clowns like you and your two other friends continue to go in here and take any narrative you can to try to prove that you were right about DJ. He Is in a prove it now year for a new contract. If it doesn’t work out for him it doesn’t work out we move forward but listening to people Crowe about someone who wrote an in accurate article just to try to push their narrative is ridiculous.
you also don't seem very good at not ignoring people.
News flash. It's pro Daniel Jones people that need to have a narrative. I don't need a narrative I have DJs performance to point to that's all. His performance has been bad. That's not a narrative it's just data.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's always odd that sports writers that
He works for himself. He is looking for idiots like you to click on what he says and try and make himself more popular. He was on here as a poster what does that tell you. Let me type this slowly for you. WHAT HE WROTE IS NOT ACCURATE. Say what you want about DJ he has not lived up to where he was drafted great. This clown has lied about what actually happened and clowns like you and your two other friends continue to go in here and take any narrative you can to try to prove that you were right about DJ. He Is in a prove it now year for a new contract. If it doesn’t work out for him it doesn’t work out we move forward but listening to people Crowe about someone who wrote an in accurate article just to try to push their narrative is ridiculous.
With the most experience in the new system is performing better? You don’t say.
Exactly, but you create a narrative on here others will buy it.
PP I agree completely, I am glad they called him out. He should be called out, some QB's take longer to mature. People have such short memories, Aaron Rodgers did not play for 3 years. Can you imagine what BBI would look like if the Giants drafted a QB in the 1st round and he did not start playing until his 4th year?
How would Taylor know Daboll's offense? The Bills traded him in March 2018, before Daboll called a single play.
knowing Daboll's system, and I have to ask, how? Daboll was hired by BUFF as OC in Jan 2018, Taylor was traded in March. So maybe TT got a look at the playbook FOUR YEARS AGO!, but didn't participate in OTA's or mini-camps. This idea that he has some kind of edge because he worked with Daboll before is misguided.
But Hunt is not basing that on what has transpired in the practices that he has been able to attend.
If he was smarter, he would have not said Jones has been throwing a lot of picks (because he hasn't). He would have simply said the back-up(s) have been sharper.
So even if he was trying to stir up shit, he's really bad at it.
Except that's not what is going on here.
Hunt is claiming Jones has thrown a bunch of interceptions.
That's demonstrably false in the practices open to the media.
Taylor could beat out Jones (though he hasn't received first-team reps and the GM and HC are adamant that will not happen). But Hunt is continuing the somewhat false media narrative that Jones has been a turnover machine. Jones' problems last year weren't turnovers (especially if you take away the picks that weren't on him). His problem last year is his offense didn't score.
If you are going to attack Jones, there are better ways to do it.
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not saying we are not going to hear some say we have a QB controversy.
But Hunt is not basing that on what has transpired in the practices that he has been able to attend.
If he was smarter, he would have not said Jones has been throwing a lot of picks (because he hasn't). He would have simply said the back-up(s) have been sharper.
So even if he was trying to stir up shit, he's really bad at it.
His remarks about seeing Taylor do things Jones can't is a direct contradiction to what Raanan has reported. JR in his pod cast has stated you can visibly see Jones make throws Taylor can't.
Those are not necessarily contradictory statements. Taylor is probably more accurate and headier whereas Jones has the better arm that allows for us to attack short, middle, and deep.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Except that's not what is going on here.
Hunt is claiming Jones has thrown a bunch of interceptions.
That's demonstrably false in the practices open to the media.
Taylor could beat out Jones (though he hasn't received first-team reps and the GM and HC are adamant that will not happen). But Hunt is continuing the somewhat false media narrative that Jones has been a turnover machine. Jones' problems last year weren't turnovers (especially if you take away the picks that weren't on him). His problem last year is his offense didn't score.
If you are going to attack Jones, there are better ways to do it.
Well when you have this report and RV on complete opposite sides someone is stretching the truth at the very least and based on my experience with reporters and this team I'd bet against RV being the accurate one.
I don't want to insult Jones I want to insult the NY media that panders to the Giants as opposed to trying to report accurately. I'm not even commenting on the accuracy of Hunt really just that the Giants will twist the arms of whoever they can to have a rosy picture painted for them. And this kind of reporting from Hunt actually swings the opposite way that it is likely to decrease his access. A disincentive. The Giants homers don't really care about being accurate, clearly. Other reporters have more of an incentive to.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
To further this point, last year I heard an interview with Dak Presoctt on NFL Radio. He basically said he didn't give a damn how many INT's he threw in training camp/practice. He knew when to throw it away in the regular season, but in training camp/practice where there are not as rigid "downs" he did not see the advantage in preventing a WR from getting an attempt to catch the ball.
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not saying we are not going to hear some say we have a QB controversy.
But Hunt is not basing that on what has transpired in the practices that he has been able to attend.
If he was smarter, he would have not said Jones has been throwing a lot of picks (because he hasn't). He would have simply said the back-up(s) have been sharper.
So even if he was trying to stir up shit, he's really bad at it.
His remarks about seeing Taylor do things Jones can't is a direct contradiction to what Raanan has reported. JR in his pod cast has stated you can visibly see Jones make throws Taylor can't.
Those are not necessarily contradictory statements. Taylor is probably more accurate and headier whereas Jones has the better arm that allows for us to attack short, middle, and deep.
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and suggests he's not paying attention to the strategy here. Jones has been playing with an arm tied behind his back for two years in Garrett's ultra conservative system intended to reduce turnovers. Daboll has stated that they are trying to get them to go out an let it rip and not be afraid to make mistakes in practice, and several players have confirmed as much.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
To further this point, last year I heard an interview with Dak Presoctt on NFL Radio. He basically said he didn't give a damn how many INT's he threw in training camp/practice. He knew when to throw it away in the regular season, but in training camp/practice where there are not as rigid "downs" he did not see the advantage in preventing a WR from getting an attempt to catch the ball.
Nothing to see here - let's wait until some preseason games and we'll actually get to see this new offense.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
I agree with Daboll though- throw Jones in the deep end and he will either sink or swim.
I don't know whether this Hunt is accurate or not. No one does, and you are not going to find out from the NYG house lap dog press.
Daboll needs to learn too- how much was the Bills offense his scheme and how much was the extraordinary abilities of the built-like-a-fullback running ability and howitzer throwing arm of Josh Allen.
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I would put $ on Taylor winning the starting gig.
A couple weeks ago Duggan said the fans will want a QB competition after watching Taylor play.
However, no one should bet the farm on anyone's opinion here so an actual competition would be best for all parties. All of the other positions on the team are supposed to be open. Jones' play on the field begs competition. He has done nothing to deserve a scholarship.
Here’s his NFL CV:
Baltimore Ravens (2011–2014)
Buffalo Bills (2015–2017)
Cleveland Browns (2018)
Los Angeles Chargers (2019–2020)
Houston Texans (2021)
New York Giants (2022–present)
Here’s Daboll’s:
New England Patriots (2000–2001) Defensive assistant
New England Patriots (2002–2006) Wide receivers coach
New York Jets (2007–2008)Quarterbacks coach
Cleveland Browns (2009–2010) Offensive coordinator
Miami Dolphins (2011) Offensive coordinator
Kansas City Chiefs (2012) Offensive coordinator
New England Patriots (2013–2016) Tight ends coach
Alabama (2017) Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach
Buffalo Bills (2018–2021) Offensive coordinator
New York Giants (2022–present) Head coach
And Kafka’s:
Kansas City Chiefs (2017) Offensive quality control coach
Kansas City Chiefs (2018–2019)Quarterbacks coach
Kansas City Chiefs (2020–2021)Quarterbacks coach & passing game coordinator
New York Giants (2022–present) Offensive coordinator
I must be missing a connection somewhere. Did McDermott keep the same system when he fired Rick Dennison and hired Daboll in 2018?
That's where I'm at. Haven't read through the whole thread but if Hunt is claiming things that didn't happen (lots of INT's at OTAs) as a focal point in his argument, he shouldn't be taken seriously.
Plenty of other ways to accurately talk about Jones' struggles at QB.
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and suggests he's not paying attention to the strategy here. Jones has been playing with an arm tied behind his back for two years in Garrett's ultra conservative system intended to reduce turnovers. Daboll has stated that they are trying to get them to go out an let it rip and not be afraid to make mistakes in practice, and several players have confirmed as much.
So not only is this Hunt guys claims of Jones throwing interceptions false, but even it if it wasn't, anyone paying attention knows INTs are NOT the standard we should be evaluating on at this point.
Designed to reduce the turnovers that the qb was generating through fumbles, interceptions, poor reads and less than stellar accuracy.
I agree with Daboll though- throw Jones in the deep end and he will either sink or swim.
I don't know whether this Hunt is accurate or not. No one does, and you are not going to find out from the NYG house lap dog press.
Daboll needs to learn too- how much was the Bills offense his scheme and how much was the extraordinary abilities of the built-like-a-fullback running ability and howitzer throwing arm of Josh Allen.
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Except that's not what is going on here.
Hunt is claiming Jones has thrown a bunch of interceptions.
That's demonstrably false in the practices open to the media.
Taylor could beat out Jones (though he hasn't received first-team reps and the GM and HC are adamant that will not happen). But Hunt is continuing the somewhat false media narrative that Jones has been a turnover machine. Jones' problems last year weren't turnovers (especially if you take away the picks that weren't on him). His problem last year is his offense didn't score.
If you are going to attack Jones, there are better ways to do it.
Well when you have this report and RV on complete opposite sides someone is stretching the truth at the very least and based on my experience with reporters and this team I'd bet against RV being the accurate one.
I don't want to insult Jones I want to insult the NY media that panders to the Giants as opposed to trying to report accurately. I'm not even commenting on the accuracy of Hunt really just that the Giants will twist the arms of whoever they can to have a rosy picture painted for them. And this kind of reporting from Hunt actually swings the opposite way that it is likely to decrease his access. A disincentive. The Giants homers don't really care about being accurate, clearly. Other reporters have more of an incentive to.
Color me shocked that when choosing sides, you would go with the negative despite the many numerous reports by more media that have been at every open media practice. Yes, including the shit-stirrers like raanan and pat leonard that would love to jump on an opportunity to create controversy. It can't be possible that Emory hunt is biased or that he is making garbage up to further cement his feelings towards Daniel Jones from day 1.
I can tell you, the beat reporters have been to every media access practice all off season. Has Emory hunt?
:D
He quoted an Eagles guy on Hurts needing to step up. Hunt responds with a knock on Justin Herbert.
"Meanwhile there is another QB from the 2020 draft class to never sniff the playoffs, and has been the starter long than Hurts, who doesn’t get the same level of Ultimatum Analysis as Hurts does, or the other QB from that class who hasn’t also made the playoffs yet 🤷🏾♂️"
https://mobile.twitter.com/FBallGameplan/status/1526568140452380673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw - ( New Window )
:D
Conspiracy?
Criticism can only be taken seriously when it it is based on facts.
When you start making stuff up, it's hard to take you seriously.
When a sportswriter argues X and X didn't happen, it's not a "conspiracy" to call said reporter out.
Mini camp evaluations are silly.
Let's see what happens when we hit actual training camp, joint practices and some preseason games. I think we will get an extended look at Taylor in preseason games. They will try to protect Mr. Glass. I am very interested.
:D
How is correcting a lie with provable facts equating to believing a conspiracy?
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In comment 15731199 NoGainDayne said:
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Except that's not what is going on here.
Hunt is claiming Jones has thrown a bunch of interceptions.
That's demonstrably false in the practices open to the media.
Taylor could beat out Jones (though he hasn't received first-team reps and the GM and HC are adamant that will not happen). But Hunt is continuing the somewhat false media narrative that Jones has been a turnover machine. Jones' problems last year weren't turnovers (especially if you take away the picks that weren't on him). His problem last year is his offense didn't score.
If you are going to attack Jones, there are better ways to do it.
Well when you have this report and RV on complete opposite sides someone is stretching the truth at the very least and based on my experience with reporters and this team I'd bet against RV being the accurate one.
I don't want to insult Jones I want to insult the NY media that panders to the Giants as opposed to trying to report accurately. I'm not even commenting on the accuracy of Hunt really just that the Giants will twist the arms of whoever they can to have a rosy picture painted for them. And this kind of reporting from Hunt actually swings the opposite way that it is likely to decrease his access. A disincentive. The Giants homers don't really care about being accurate, clearly. Other reporters have more of an incentive to.
Color me shocked that when choosing sides, you would go with the negative despite the many numerous reports by more media that have been at every open media practice. Yes, including the shit-stirrers like raanan and pat leonard that would love to jump on an opportunity to create controversy. It can't be possible that Emory hunt is biased or that he is making garbage up to further cement his feelings towards Daniel Jones from day 1.
I can tell you, the beat reporters have been to every media access practice all off season. Has Emory hunt?
I have no idea who you are. And again, I'm not picking sides. Just pointing out how people love to imply people are hacks when they disagree with Jints central. And robustly ignore the hacks writing what the Giants want them to.
Besides, no one should be clutching their pearls that TT could legitimately win a QB competition. You have Jones defenders acting like people are insane to suggest that when it is very sane to say it's possible. It's intellectually dishonest to deny that there is at least potential for TT to be the better performing QB based on how bad DJ has been. But don't tell the DJ pearl clutchers that.
The same people want to throw mud at anyone who isn't on the optimistic side for the team and do everything possible not to criticize the team when they objectively are terrible. Sorry but that's the crazy way to operate. Not the way I do
He specifically states “WE’VE seen a lot of interceptions in practice”. He didn’t say “sources tell me…”. He said “WE’VE seen…”.
Yet, you called me a horrible poster. Did you not read what Eric and others wrote, DJ did not throw an INT in the OTA's. Do you now see how dumb you and other posters like the guy you usually have your head up his colon look with comments like these?
Please forget the facts just tell us how you feel. Unbelievable!!!
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And how do you know the facts?
Yet, you called me a horrible poster. Did you not read what Eric and others wrote, DJ did not throw an INT in the OTA's. Do you now see how dumb you and other posters like the guy you usually have your head up his colon look with comments like these?
Please forget the facts just tell us how you feel. Unbelievable!!!
He didn’t throw any ints...are you sure? Check that out.
I feel like you are a bad poster. And were the first time you showed up and still are...
However, he is the Giants QB, so I support him and hope that he is successful. I want him to become a great QB and the Giants to win a Super Bowl.
I enjoy hearing positives about Jones' development as it offers some hope.
There are some posters who are so anti Jones, that they will not be satisfied until Jones is gone. They would rather that the Giants lose, Jones plays poorly, and as a result Jones is not here next year.
Only via this scenario can they vindicate their enmity and their scathing criticisms of Jones.
This sums up things perfectly. If Jones succeeds there will be heads exploding all over BBI. Go Blue!!
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
Mary- why are so angry? The Giants picked your guys with conviction in 2018 and 2019 and you even said so. Remember?
Are you having regrets?
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And how do you know the facts?
Yet, you called me a horrible poster. Did you not read what Eric and others wrote, DJ did not throw an INT in the OTA's. Do you now see how dumb you and other posters like the guy you usually have your head up his colon look with comments like these?
Please forget the facts just tell us how you feel. Unbelievable!!!
He didn’t throw any ints...are you sure? Check that out.
I feel like you are a bad poster. And were the first time you showed up and still are...
So you get called out and proven to be a fraud, so the defense of that of course I'm a dupe. Typical. You are pathetic.
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And how do you know the facts?
Yet, you called me a horrible poster. Did you not read what Eric and others wrote, DJ did not throw an INT in the OTA's. Do you now see how dumb you and other posters like the guy you usually have your head up his colon look with comments like these?
Please forget the facts just tell us how you feel. Unbelievable!!!
He didn’t throw any ints...are you sure? Check that out.
I feel like you are a bad poster. And were the first time you showed up and still are...
So you get called out and proven to be a fraud, so the defense of that of course I'm a dupe. Typical. You are pathetic.
Called out and proven to be a fraud? How’s that Mary...let me know?
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
Mary- why are so angry? The Giants picked your guys with conviction in 2018 and 2019 and you even said so. Remember?
Are you having regrets?
I regret they and the rest of the team have lost and lost often. I regret that I have spent and spend a lot of $$ on tickets and have not seen a good product in a long time. I regret that it has not happened and then we have armchair GM's like you and your friend telling everyone how much you despise DJ, Barkley. I regret you do not understand the game and that the game is won in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I regret not buying Amazon when it 1st came out. Other than that not to many other regrets as time is short enjoy it stay positive it is better than regrets.
I regret that even with hindsight you cannot just say... Googs, you were right...
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
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In comment 15731199 NoGainDayne said:
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
Ummm media fabricated material? It’s done on a daily basis. Manipulating facts so people can click on a site or watch a show is part of being in the media.
In fact if this was completely false I'd bet Pat Hanlon would be on a tirade about it. He's done it for less.
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say things contrary to the narratives the team wants to put are always hacks or have an agenda. When it's those positions that have proven to be far more right than wrong in recent memory and it is the team driven narratives that have been far closer to hack writing...
Another poster going forward to be ignored. It is not contrary to anything, it is not true plain and simple. Don't let that stand in the way to a good story just so you can continue to tell us how much you hate DJ.
What is his incentive to completely fabricate information? You do realize you could get fired and / or sued for doing that? But don't let that stop you and your victim complex. It's a popular way of being around here, I'm sure even more for dupes that can just move onto another handle after they've been wrong enough
He works for himself. He is looking for idiots like you to click on what he says and try and make himself more popular. He was on here as a poster what does that tell you. Let me type this slowly for you. WHAT HE WROTE IS NOT ACCURATE. Say what you want about DJ he has not lived up to where he was drafted great. This clown has lied about what actually happened and clowns like you and your two other friends continue to go in here and take any narrative you can to try to prove that you were right about DJ. He Is in a prove it now year for a new contract. If it doesn’t work out for him it doesn’t work out we move forward but listening to people Crowe about someone who wrote an in accurate article just to try to push their narrative is ridiculous.
News flash. It's pro Daniel Jones people that need to have a narrative. I don't need a narrative I have DJs performance to point to that's all. His performance has been bad. That's not a narrative it's just data.
He works for himself. He is looking for idiots like you to click on what he says and try and make himself more popular. He was on here as a poster what does that tell you. Let me type this slowly for you. WHAT HE WROTE IS NOT ACCURATE. Say what you want about DJ he has not lived up to where he was drafted great. This clown has lied about what actually happened and clowns like you and your two other friends continue to go in here and take any narrative you can to try to prove that you were right about DJ. He Is in a prove it now year for a new contract. If it doesn’t work out for him it doesn’t work out we move forward but listening to people Crowe about someone who wrote an in accurate article just to try to push their narrative is ridiculous.
How come you don't like Maryland?
I actually started watching his YT videos because he would post them here on BBI when I was lurking.
No amazing insight, but he clearly put the work in.
But this was clearly misinformation, and the fact that it was seemingly intentional is odd to say the least.
I liked Skinner and Penik calling him out on it.
How would Taylor know Daboll's offense? The Bills traded him in March 2018, before Daboll called a single play.
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With the most experience in the new system is performing better? You don’t say.
Exactly, but you create a narrative on here others will buy it.
PP I agree completely, I am glad they called him out. He should be called out, some QB's take longer to mature. People have such short memories, Aaron Rodgers did not play for 3 years. Can you imagine what BBI would look like if the Giants drafted a QB in the 1st round and he did not start playing until his 4th year?
How would Taylor know Daboll's offense? The Bills traded him in March 2018, before Daboll called a single play.