Duggan's early 53 projection

But I would make the following edits:

- Subtract Webb, I don’t see them keeping 3 QB’s. Webb will very likely be around if they need to sign someone due to injury.

- Antonio Williams over Brightwell

- Austin Allen over Akins (if he plays well in preseason that is)

- Garcia is kept for the offensive line instead of third QB

- Unless Moa has a great camp/preseason he is likely replaced by a vet lineman

- Replace either Crowder or Cam Brown with Carter Coughlin.

- Jacquet and Jarren Williams are dart throws that may stick or be replaced with post roster cut veteran signings.

is my only real head scratcher. I know Brown is good on specials, so perhaps that is the thinking?

Yusuf Corker/Henry Black are more likely as the 4th safety

Slayton makes it over Board or James if he isn’t traded

Garcia/Bredeson over Douglas (need a guy with ability to be backup Center)

Jalyn Holmes over Moa

Webb sticks as 3rd QB in a Tanney role to help implement the system

We know that 4 or 5 guys will be brought in after cut downs at end of Preseason.

Seems inevitable that the new regime will use the waiver position to their advantage and continue to churn the bottom of the 53. Giants have a very weak bottom third of the roster

Big Blue Blogger said:

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…keep in mind that Jihad Ward (listed as a LB) is bigger than most 4-3 DEs and will play a lot. Thibodeaux is half DL too.

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So is Elerson Smith. Although he's classified as an OLB now, going into the draft he was called DE or Edge.

Agreed. We know Martindale will send pass rushers from anywhere. Thibodeaux, Ojulari, Roche, and Smith could all contribute in that area. Maybe Brown/Coughlin/McFadden/Beavers too. Part of being unpredictable, though, is that those guys will also have to cover backs and TEs, and play the run, when they aren’t attacking the QB. We’ll see how that goes.

As for the interior DL, the final final 53 might need some additional veteran depth - e.g. Jalyn Holmes or a September pickup. That part of Duggan’s projection is thin, even with Ward’s ability to put his hand in the dirt. He’s not a full-time 5-technique.

He is a PS veteran and will be on the team all year practicing and teaching UNLESS an injury hits.

Also, I suspect a minimum of one veteran on offense and defense added during cutdowns because a "fringe" player above can be replaced by a veteran who knows the system rather easily making us stronger for the season, especially the first half of the season should they be active.

And honestly, would anyone be shocked if we did somehow make a trade that made sense for both teams?

Versatile H back type over a ST only RB. Could see swapping ILB Brown for an OLB but who of Lalos, Fox and Ximines. Brown is as good as those players. Could Coughlin beat out Crowder.

Or maybe Akins. Allen will make it to the PS but he’s a more physical guy than either Seals-Jones or Akins.

The tricky part is that they might be awarded all the players they claim, or none, or something in between. So the roster turnover in those 48 hours could be anywhere from zero guys up to… Five? Eight?

if a guy like Roche develops and Smith takes a leap.

If we are truly rebuilding, I’d like to see a starter, a backup, and a developmental player instead of a washed-up veteran.

assumption is they go on PUP or IR? Can you even be on those all year and not count towards the roster at some point?

Certainly don't need 3 QBs either.

In comment 15732959 NYGgolfer said:

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assumption is they go on PUP or IR? Can you even be on those all year and not count towards the roster at some point? Certainly don't need 3 QBs either.

That's correct. I didn't include the PUP's he mentioned, but he did have Gates and Peart starting on the PUP list.

In comment 15732919 BillT said:

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Versatile H back type over a ST only RB. Could see swapping ILB Brown for an OLB but who of Lalos, Fox and Ximines. Brown is as good as those players. Could Coughlin beat out Crowder.

What exactly is Crowder good at?

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In comment 15732919 BillT said: Quote: Versatile H back type over a ST only RB. Could see swapping ILB Brown for an OLB but who of Lalos, Fox and Ximines. Brown is as good as those players. Could Coughlin beat out Crowder. What exactly is Crowder good at?

Exactly. Look he was very good for a Mr. Irrelevant and was only starting due to injury. But, he just doesn’t seem to bring anything special in any phase of the game. Not that big a deal either way.

particularly when your third qb can be a coach or be placed on PS

Williams over Brightwell for sure

Garcia will be on the final roster imo

Slayton has deep speed and will stick. I would opt for finding space for James and axe the Fb. There will be injuries at wr and this is going to be a passing O

Rodarius will likely start on Pup

There are going to be injuries in camp. folks will have to be placed on IR. That should provide openings for waiver wire pickups

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assumption is they go on PUP or IR? Can you even be on those all year and not count towards the roster at some point? Certainly don't need 3 QBs either.

I believe they can keep them on PUP or they can move them to IR. They don’t count towards the roster in either case. I would doubt we see either on the roster this year.

In comment 15732960 bigblue5611 said:

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In comment 15732959 NYGgolfer said: Quote: assumption is they go on PUP or IR? Can you even be on those all year and not count towards the roster at some point? Certainly don't need 3 QBs either. That's correct. I didn't include the PUP's he mentioned, but he did have Gates and Peart starting on the PUP list.

Thanks bigblue

Seriously. If both our QBs went down, he could be the emergency QB and run a wildcat system. I'd rather Toney with the ball in his hands than Davis Webb. Webb is a camp arm only. No one would pick him up if the Giants cut him. If DJ and TT go down in the same game, Toney could finish it and Webb could be called in from the couch for the next game.

QB _ They promised Davis opportunity -- I do think he will stick on the roster - so I agree with 3 QBs
RB - Saquon Barkley, Matt Breida definitely -- plus one other and I do think Williams has the edge
WR - If Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney and Sterling Shepard are all on the opening roster (as in not injured) I will faint, agree with Wan’Dale Robinson, Richie James, C.J. Board - but I think they open with 5 WRs
TE - Bellinger, Akins and maybe one of the tryouts or a another vet -- Ricky Seals-Jones will not make the roster in my opinion
OL they are going to carry 10 add Garcia - Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Jon Feliciano, Mark Glowinski, Evan Neal, Joshua Ezeudu, Marcus McKethan, Jamil Douglas, Matt Gono
DL - Probably right but Moa may be out
OLB - Probably right - Kayvon Thibodeaux, Azeez Ojulari, Jihad Ward, Elerson Smith, Quincy Roche
ILB - Lose Crowder
CB - add another vet pick up to Adoree’ Jackson, Aaron Robinson, Darnay Holmes, Cor’Dale Flott, Rodarius Williams, Michael Jacquet
S - Add another vet pickup to Xavier McKinney, Julian Love, Dane Belton, Jarren Williams
Specials - yes K Graham Gano, P Jamie Gillan, LS Casey Kreiter

In comment 15732899 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: …keep in mind that Jihad Ward (listed as a LB) is bigger than most 4-3 DEs and will play a lot. Thibodeaux is half DL too./// Del Shofner said: Quote: So is Elerson Smith. Although he's classified as an OLB now, going into the draft he was called DE or Edge./////////// Agreed. We know Martindale will send pass rushers from anywhere. Thibodeaux, Ojulari, Roche, and Smith could all contribute in that area. Maybe Brown/Coughlin/McFadden/Beavers too. Part of being unpredictable, though, is that those guys will also have to cover backs and TEs, and play the run, when they aren’t attacking the QB. We’ll see how that goes....

Ellerson Smith, don't know that I agree with either of you guys in the know (::
first, my sense and eyes of him coming out of No. Iowa are that he is really long and thin, hardly a pillar at DE. No. IA not really a barometer of DL play, is it?

second, he had no 2020 season--ancient history, I know--but there is really a thin book on this kid. I'm all for him making a splash, but odds are against it, imo

In comment 15733376 gidiefor said:

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QB _ They promised Davis opportunity -- I do think he will stick on the roster - so I agree with 3 QBs RB - Saquon Barkley, Matt Breida definitely -- plus one other and I do think Williams has the edge WR - If Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney and Sterling Shepard are all on the opening roster (as in not injured) I will faint, agree with Wan’Dale Robinson, Richie James, C.J. Board - but I think they open with 5 WRs TE - Bellinger, Akins and maybe one of the tryouts or a another vet -- Ricky Seals-Jones will not make the roster in my opinion OL they are going to carry 10 add Garcia - Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Jon Feliciano, Mark Glowinski, Evan Neal, Joshua Ezeudu, Marcus McKethan, Jamil Douglas, Matt Gono DL - Probably right but Moa may be out OLB - Probably right - Kayvon Thibodeaux, Azeez Ojulari, Jihad Ward, Elerson Smith, Quincy Roche ILB - Lose Crowder CB - add another vet pick up to Adoree’ Jackson, Aaron Robinson, Darnay Holmes, Cor’Dale Flott, Rodarius Williams, Michael Jacquet S - Add another vet pickup to Xavier McKinney, Julian Love, Dane Belton, Jarren Williams Specials - yes K Graham Gano, P Jamie Gillan, LS Casey Kreiter

Crowder will stick. I wish rosters were say 55 players and 50 active. Be so much easier. LOL

In comment 15734473 SGMen said:

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In comment 15733376 gidiefor said: Quote: QB _ They promised Davis opportunity -- I do think he will stick on the roster - so I agree with 3 QBs RB - Saquon Barkley, Matt Breida definitely -- plus one other and I do think Williams has the edge WR - If Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney and Sterling Shepard are all on the opening roster (as in not injured) I will faint, agree with Wan’Dale Robinson, Richie James, C.J. Board - but I think they open with 5 WRs TE - Bellinger, Akins and maybe one of the tryouts or a another vet -- Ricky Seals-Jones will not make the roster in my opinion OL they are going to carry 10 add Garcia - Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Jon Feliciano, Mark Glowinski, Evan Neal, Joshua Ezeudu, Marcus McKethan, Jamil Douglas, Matt Gono DL - Probably right but Moa may be out OLB - Probably right - Kayvon Thibodeaux, Azeez Ojulari, Jihad Ward, Elerson Smith, Quincy Roche ILB - Lose Crowder CB - add another vet pick up to Adoree’ Jackson, Aaron Robinson, Darnay Holmes, Cor’Dale Flott, Rodarius Williams, Michael Jacquet S - Add another vet pickup to Xavier McKinney, Julian Love, Dane Belton, Jarren Williams Specials - yes K Graham Gano, P Jamie Gillan, LS Casey Kreiter Crowder will stick. I wish rosters were say 55 players and 50 active. Be so much easier. LOL

Why should Crowder stick?