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Which disappointment team wins? 1989 vs 2000 vs 2008 Giants.

FStubbs : 6/14/2022 6:29 pm
Quite honestly, even with LT on that 1989 team, and the 41-0 game the 2000 team had, I have to go with the 2008 team. Before Plax shot himself, that team was just running their opponents off the field. It was the most dominant stretch of Giants football I had ever seen.

I'd say the 1989 Giants beat the 2000 Giants though.
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1989 is also when dirtbag Wesley Walls took out LT's knee  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2022 2:42 pm : link
He missed half of the game in SF and, though he didn't miss any other games, he wasn't 100% the rest of the season.
2008 hands down  
BigBlue7 : 6/15/2022 3:17 pm : link
especially if you give me a healthy Osi and Plax

RE: 1989 is also when dirtbag Wesley Walls took out LT's knee  
Optimus-NY : 6/15/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15733226 Greg from LI said:
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He missed half of the game in SF and, though he didn't miss any other games, he wasn't 100% the rest of the season.


Yup. Knew you'd mention that Greg, lol. A Bob McKittrick special if there ever was one. Dirty muhfugger that he was.
2008.  
Klaatu : 6/15/2022 3:46 pm : link
Because we could have won back-to-back Super Bowls.
By rules played  
US1 Giants : 6/15/2022 3:54 pm : link
1989 by 1989 rules
2008 by 2008 rules
The 8 or 9 game run in 2008  
Hammer : 6/15/2022 4:18 pm : link
was the best Giants football i have seen in my lifetime.

They were unbeatable for that duration and, at the time, I thought they were a lock to repeat.
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Section331 : 6/15/2022 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15732673 christian said:
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The 08 team started great and ran out of gas.

The only consistent thing about that season was Burress not playing well.

He had one good game all year. But because Jim Johnson made a generic comment about him, everyone forgets everything.


It doesn't matter how many good games he had, what matters was how defenses had to account for him. Regardless of what Jim Johnson said, the evidence was on the tape, defenses played us differently after Plax went down.

To answer the OP's question, the '89 team wins.
RE: RE: 1989 is also when dirtbag Wesley Walls took out LT's knee  
bw in dc : 6/15/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15733265 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15733226 Greg from LI said:


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He missed half of the game in SF and, though he didn't miss any other games, he wasn't 100% the rest of the season.



Yup. Knew you'd mention that Greg, lol. A Bob McKittrick special if there ever was one. Dirty muhfugger that he was.


So true. The "master" of the crackback blocking scheme. And Alex Gibbs wasn't too far behind, either...
Easy question  
Andy in Halifax : 6/15/2022 5:03 pm : link
1989 was the best team of the three.

2008 was an excellent team, but I think 1989 negates their strength in the rushing game. Offense was pretty damned good all year but sputtered a bit late in year (Carolina game notwithstanding)

I think 2000 was a good team that took advantage of fortunate circumstances.
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christian : 6/15/2022 6:07 pm : link
I think the best case to make for 2008 is if Burress got healthy, and he returned to form, he could have helped the Giants get over the hudrle.

But keep in mind -- Burress played like a series against the Cards -- and the Giants offense was dominant. Burress didn't play against Carolina, and the run game was dominant. Burress was suspended earlier in the year against Seattle and the Giants went bananas on offense.

Burress was banged up, ineffective, or out in some of the most productive games the offense had.

Why didn't the Giants need the mythical decoy of Burress against a pretty good Panthers defense late in the year? Because they had a damn good run game with or without Burress.
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christian : 6/15/2022 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15733364 Section331 said:
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In comment 15732673 christian said:


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The 08 team started great and ran out of gas.

The only consistent thing about that season was Burress not playing well.

He had one good game all year. But because Jim Johnson made a generic comment about him, everyone forgets everything.



It doesn't matter how many good games he had, what matters was how defenses had to account for him. Regardless of what Jim Johnson said, the evidence was on the tape, defenses played us differently after Plax went down.


Really, how?
The 2008 NY Giants were pretty good at scoring when  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2022 6:44 pm : link
Burress was active, even if he wasn't having a very good year.

In the first 11 games of the year (before Burress shot himself) the Offense averaged about 30 points per game.

In the last 5 games (after shooting), the Offense averaged under 18 points a game. And even in the playoff loss against the Eagles, the Offense only scored 9 points.

The loss of Plax may not have meant everything but it clearly meant something. Because the Offense wasn't producing touchdowns and points like they were before...
The late Eagles DC Jim Johnson  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/15/2022 6:45 pm : link
did say our offense was completely different to gameplan without Plax out there.
RE: The 2008 NY Giants were pretty good at scoring when  
christian : 6/15/2022 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15733418 Jimmy Googs said:
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The loss of Plax may not have meant everything but it clearly meant something. Because the Offense wasn't producing touchdowns and points like they were before...


I definitely think attention to Burress helped the Giants create room in the running game. And a healthy Burress made defenses pick a least bad option. Gilbride said that.

My view is simply it's more complicated than Burress ruined the season.

Fact is Burress was hurt and Jacobs was also banged up.

Take out the meaningless game against Minnesota, and without/limited Burress the Giants scored 37 against AZ, 23 against Washington, and 34 against Carolina.

The Giants struggled against Dallas and Philly the 2nd and 3rd time they faced them on the season.
2008, I still say if Burress had not shot himself we win the SB  
SGMen : 6/15/2022 7:29 pm : link
It was a huge blow to the offense and they could not adjust. Bu t our defense was banged up so no sure thing.
RE: RE: The 2008 NY Giants were pretty good at scoring when  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15733427 christian said:
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In comment 15733418 Jimmy Googs said:


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The loss of Plax may not have meant everything but it clearly meant something. Because the Offense wasn't producing touchdowns and points like they were before...



I definitely think attention to Burress helped the Giants create room in the running game. And a healthy Burress made defenses pick a least bad option. Gilbride said that.

My view is simply it's more complicated than Burress ruined the season.

Fact is Burress was hurt and Jacobs was also banged up.

Take out the meaningless game against Minnesota, and without/limited Burress the Giants scored 37 against AZ, 23 against Washington, and 34 against Carolina.

The Giants struggled against Dallas and Philly the 2nd and 3rd time they faced them on the season.


As I already said, it wasn't everything but it was clearly something to not have Burress.

I don't care if it was other teams rolling coverages to his side and freeing up other guys to make plays when he played or when he was out it added another guy to play run defense or free lance a bit in the secondary...it affected the NYG scoring and ability for Eli to get them into the end zone.

Dallas and Philly took advantage since they knew the Giants offense the best and knew how to change their defenses the most...
RE: The 8 or 9 game run in 2008  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2022 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15733335 Hammer said:
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was the best Giants football i have seen in my lifetime.


Nah. '86. They won 12 straight to close the season. Their last five they won by a collective score of 187-54. The games before that included beating an excellent Redskins team in RFK to take control of the division, the comeback in San Francisco, and 4th and 17. Beat the Niners twice, the Broncos twice, and the Skins twice.
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Route 9 : 6/16/2022 2:59 pm : link
You know what? I think you're both right.

By the time that divisional game against Philly rolled around, I remember being concerned a bit on which Giants team would show up. Would it be the one who shrugged off the Burress thing and beat Washington Carolina?

Or would it be the Giants who no-showed vs Philly and Dallas?

Note: I thought that Eagle playoff game was one of the worst Eli Manning performances pre-2016. Hate to sound like a casual fan, but something was "off" about him that day.
Eff that bogus pass interference call in OT too btw against the Lambs.  
Optimus-NY : 6/16/2022 5:57 pm : link
That call in '89 (January of 1990 actually) ruined the game in OT. Total bullshit. I forgot which of the White twins it was against: Sheldon or Adrian, but it was bogus. Mark Collins also was playing injured, and as luck would have it, Everett went up top against him right away leading to the famous Flipper run through the tunnel at Giants Stadium. Still haunting to this day. Give this game a (re)watch below if you have time. It also happened to be Parcells' worst ever coached game as HC of the NYG in the playoffs.



1989 Divisional Playoff - L.A. Rams at N.Y. Giants - ( New Window )
2010 and DeSean Jackson shouldn't be discounted  
Blue Dream : 6/16/2022 7:48 pm : link
If we had been able to get in the playoffs everybody was beatable.
I think it was on Adrian White  
Greg from LI : 6/16/2022 8:29 pm : link
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RE: I think it was on Adrian White  
Optimus-NY : 6/17/2022 1:12 am : link
In comment 15734226 Greg from LI said:
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I went back and looked at. It was Sheldon. Tried to wipe it from my mind. Madden thought the call was wrong. He said to let em play. See the timestamp below (2:22:00).


1989 Divisional Playoff Game - Rams at Giants (Jan. '90) - 2:22:00 mark - ( New Window )
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