I think it’s getting worse. The action scenes are so boring and clumsy. Story is not compelling. No humor. I think it’s really bad. Huge miss by Filoni.
By that I mean new characters with no history. But, the story they have steps all over the toes of A New Hope. The acting is also in line with most Star Wars films...bad, outside of Ewan McGregor.
This is also the first of their TV projects that looks like a TV project. For example, when the 2 speeders attacked the base to save them, it looked terrible. You could tell they were models, which is unheard of for Star Wars. It's not just that it's on the small screen. It's that it is a small screen production, if that makes sense.
In the rescue, the speeders looked bad. A lot of the "gritty" gets lost in a production that is heavily cgi, or enhanced backgrounds after. Boba Fett looked awful many times on tattoine because it looked too shiny, too colorful on sand covered planet.
I enjoyed the latest episode though the battle portions were not done well. An Obi Wan vs Vader showdown will be nice.
You know that the main characters all survive because in about 10yrs they will all be in A New Hope. So any of the (poorly written-IMO) scenes that depict a threat to Leia or Ben, even Vader are ho hum since you know that nothing is really going to happen to them. As for the new characters who can die, ok but we have only known them for about 10mins.
Also the PG, sanitized violence of the show takes away any sizzle. I know it's Disney but they won't even show half the grit of say the Mandalorian. For me the young Leia (baby Leia) character is a mistake, insufferable and a play to the younger viewer.
Leia’s storyline should have been finished episodes ago. They keep dragging it out. Should have probably never brought her into it in the first place. Could have gotten Obi Wan into the fold by imprisoning maybe one of his old war buddies (Quinlan Vos?). I think it is just poorly written and hopefully spells the end of Kathleen Kennedy
You know that the main characters all survive because in about 10yrs they will all be in A New Hope. So any of the (poorly written-IMO) scenes that depict a threat to Leia or Ben, even Vader are ho hum since you know that nothing is really going to happen to them. As for the new characters who can die, ok but we have only known them for about 10mins.
Also the PG, sanitized violence of the show takes away any sizzle. I know it's Disney but they won't even show half the grit of say the Mandalorian. For me the young Leia (baby Leia) character is a mistake, insufferable and a play to the younger viewer.
Young female viewer. It's a continued mistake. They aren't gaining much of a new generation because the new characters and stories they introduce suck. In doing so, they are losing some long time fans.
if it didn't directly spit in the face of A New Hope. It's like they brought Leia into it for fan service but didn't realize how much the fans would hate it.
I don't mind an arc where Ben Kenobi starts broken and then finds peace and his ways again - transformation from broken war loser to wise old sage we see in ANH. But this was just poorly executed. I think his hair should have been greyer too - a symbol of what the war did to him.
I did dig the Vader fight in the most recent episode though. He's a badass and I'm here for it. I'm an Anakin fanboy so I liked the flashback as well. Thought they would do far far more of that. Should have.
Years ago you served my father in the clone wars....
Oh...and I almost forgot...you rescued me over the course of several weeks and multiple planets!
It's not just that. Vader hadn't seen Obi-wan since their battle on Mustafar. Now he's already confronted him twice. Next week is highly anti-climactic because we know Vader isn't discovering Luke. So, not only do we know Luke survives, but there is little suspense for any side stories. It will be either Obi-wan outright destroys Riva or she has a redemption scene and sacrifices herself to save Luke from the fate or other younglings. I can't think of any other outcomes.
Sadly, it seems we will not be getting the rumored final battle with Darth Maul.
if it didn't directly spit in the face of A New Hope. It's like they brought Leia into it for fan service but didn't realize how much the fans would hate it.
I don't mind an arc where Ben Kenobi starts broken and then finds peace and his ways again - transformation from broken war loser to wise old sage we see in ANH. But this was just poorly executed. I think his hair should have been greyer too - a symbol of what the war did to him.
I did dig the Vader fight in the most recent episode though. He's a badass and I'm here for it. I'm an Anakin fanboy so I liked the flashback as well. Thought they would do far far more of that. Should have.
Exactry what I was just about to write about Leia. They expected that to be a big reveal that would be wildly popular. They didn't realize so many real fans would hate how that destroys A New Hope. How do they constantly miscalculated so badly? It's as if Kennedy hates Star Wars and hates being placed in charge of it. I can't figure why Disney bought the franchise to shit all over it. If it keeps up, their cash cow will dry up before they are in the black.
As for Obi-wan, I've said it many times now...there is plenty of material about him. He wasn't a broken old man on Tatpoine. He was still training and preparing for Luke. His struggle was more a moral dilemma as he wanted to intervene to help others, and often had to show restraint or do so from a distance.
There was a while book about it called the Oni-wan Chronicles, I believe. That was popular with my boys, as it went back and forth from Obi-wan to Luke (between ESB and ROTJ). Good read and great for young readers. Better than the annoying Leia drivel.
I think its just poor writing and poor direction. No actor can save that. I dont think the director knows how to stage action scenes or she's overwhelmed with other parts to really make them fun. Think about Luke in Mando, that 30 seconds of him overcoming droids is better than Obi vs Vader. That's nuts.
They just missed with the story. Filoni has cache and can get past this but Obi Wan had the potential to be so immense.
Just to play devil’s advocate to some of the comments. Maybe Obi-wan hasn’t used his powers in a while and this set a catalyst that has him up his training over the course of the next 10 yrs.
Perhaps they wipe Leia’s memory of this and that’s why she brings up the Clone Wars. Of course, people will have a problem with that, but are fine with the Father wiping out Anakin’s memory on Mortis after the Son showed him what he would become.
There is a lot that can happen over the next 10 yrs, use your own imagination to fill in the blanks. A lot of us were kids when the OT came out. Everything was bigger and more magical when you’re a kid. Nostalgia must be more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
episodes were good showing Obi-Wan living a humble life. Leah shouldn't be in it at all. He should be saving Luke from dangerous situations without Luke realizing. There is already a bunch of EU material to use for storylines.
Vader can be in it but should be more behind the scenes. It made sense for Ben to learn that Anakin survived but Vader doesn't know that Ben is alive in ANH. He's somewhat surprised to "feel" him on the Death Star in ANH. I did enjoy the flashback parts and how it helped Obi calculate Vader's attack strategy.
The Reva a character is so contrived IMO. I know they thought, "How can we have a sassy, tough black woman be a main character?" There were already numerous Inquisitors to choose from, most are aliens. The others in the show are all from the EU, Reva is a completely new character created for the series.
Just to play devil’s advocate to some of the comments. Maybe Obi-wan hasn’t used his powers in a while and this set a catalyst that has him up his training over the course of the next 10 yrs.
Perhaps they wipe Leia’s memory of this and that’s why she brings up the Clone Wars. Of course, people will have a problem with that, but are fine with the Father wiping out Anakin’s memory on Mortis after the Son showed him what he would become.
There is a lot that can happen over the next 10 yrs, use your own imagination to fill in the blanks. A lot of us were kids when the OT came out. Everything was bigger and more magical when you’re a kid. Nostalgia must be more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
SW target audience shifted with RotJ (hello ewoks). I see this with Pokemon games as well, where 30-40 year olds feel like the new games should be created with them in mind instead of kids; they fail to realize that kids have always been the target audience and they've just aged out.
With SW sure, some of the hardcore fans may be upset just like they were with EP1...and 2...3 not so much that was well received... but the ST and D+ shows are just continuing the cycle of certain segments complaining about SW being ruined.
I think we're at the ''admit it, it sucks'' point...
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Just to play devil’s advocate to some of the comments. Maybe Obi-wan hasn’t used his powers in a while and this set a catalyst that has him up his training over the course of the next 10 yrs.
Perhaps they wipe Leia’s memory of this and that’s why she brings up the Clone Wars. Of course, people will have a problem with that, but are fine with the Father wiping out Anakin’s memory on Mortis after the Son showed him what he would become.
There is a lot that can happen over the next 10 yrs, use your own imagination to fill in the blanks. A lot of us were kids when the OT came out. Everything was bigger and more magical when you’re a kid. Nostalgia must be more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
I can use my own imagination and come up with something sure better than what we are seeing here. This isn't just the contradictions to SW cannon or a want for nostalgia, this is plain and simple bad writing.
purpose in life at this point is to watch over Luke so if they had to create something that forced him away, I suppose Leah would be the only thing.
I could see a plot where another Jedi finds Obi through the Force people locater app and tells him about the Inquisitors and needing to save Force-sensitive children, says Obi is the only Jedi strong enough to help. Obi at first says no but finally agrees but insists the other stays Jedi behind to watch over Luke. We could get to know some of the children he will save, maybe a young Ezra thrown in, battles with Inquisitors, etc. Vader pulling the strings but is shocked when they manage to escape, his rage blinding him from feeling Obi-Wan's presence.
yeah, I just dont think Star Wars is meant for the small screen
Like - I don’t want to see this much Vader - it was best that so much of his history and terror was left to the imagination. Now we’re getting scenes basically of ‘Darth Vader, Dark-Side Administrator’
They don’t have the budget to make everything look as good as it should - and you can’t help but become completely aware that the target audience is people who wouldnt yet notice - diluting the quality of the thing in the first place.
Ill kee watching, admittedly, but it’s more like just watching some shitty, pulpy, piece of mindless entertainment. As has been mentioned, there are no real stakes.
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Pretty much, yeah. The animated Rebels series is pretty good too, but I agree that most everything done since the original trilogy is crap.
RE: I think we're at the ''admit it, it sucks'' point...
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Clone Wars and Rebels are some of the best Star Wars content made. Def worth watching.
I've been watching it with my Star Wars-obsessed 4 yr old son
and we've made an event out of it on Thursday nights since he doesn't go to daycare Fridays, and it's been the highlight of our weeks.
If I'm being critical, Disney certainly missed by hyping this up for years and then delivering only six ~35 minute episodes. It's also clear that they probably made the right business decision by using the first of the new trilogy to go all-in on fan service, because clearly fans don't have any patience for a story to develop when it involves the Skywalker characters.
On the Leia/Obi-Wan thing: If you ask me, it's as easy to jump to the conclusion that in a New Hope she makes it clear she knows him more than she is letting on by using both his names. You can also tell by his reaction to her message that he is struck by more than the content of the message while the message is playing. They're trying to save the galaxy and she was sending a message like the one we just saw in Episode 5 get intercepted, what did we think she'd do? Stop to give us backstory and rat on a guy who is still in hiding? Did we need her to stop Luke in the middle of their adventures saving the galaxy to fill him in on the details of her and Obi-Wan's past?
Still, the writers are on record saying they obviously thoroughly debated this and considered canon.
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"We talked about it a lot," Harold shared with Entertainment Weekly in regards to the sequence. "And we're looking forward to the show airing in its entirety so that hopefully all questions are answered fully. So it's tricky to field some of those questions mid-process. But yes, all I can say is we're very cognizant of that, and of canon. And it's a massive team, Lucasfilm, so we're all very aware of all the choices that are being made."
animated series was good too, it just has a lot of episodes. The final scene was really good when newly-suited Vader finds the wreckage of the ship Ashoka was on. He finds her lightsaber on the ground in the snow, a bird flies overhead, and you can tell how sad he is.
Like others here, it screws up a lot of what is known/said in "A New Hope". Maybe mentioning Vader so Obi Wan knew he was still alive but not casting him in this series would have been better? The "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master" line from Vader now carries no meaning. You always got the sense that Ben never left Tatooine once he brought Luke there after he was born. Now I didn't expect to see him making sand castles with Luke in this series, I would have thought it would have been more Luke/Ben centered and you'd also see some communication between him and Qui-Gon (Liam Neeson) and perhaps Yoda.
RE: I think we're at the ''admit it, it sucks'' point...
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Yep. I think Mandalorian gave everyone false hope. Disney got excited at the prospect of having a Star Wars thing that didn't suck and just blew their load early with more poorly thought out crap.
where the only thing that mattered was "the Message", because that's all she cares about. Story, script, acting, characters, editing, set design, don't matter. Until Disney cleanes themselves of politics, and realizes their business is "entertainment", not fixing society's problems, they will continue to put out garbage.
You would think the fact that their corporate stock has fallen 36.3% over 6 months would tell them something. Nope, deaf ears.
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Clone Wars and Rebels both kind of start off with "kid's gloves", and look a little clunky, but quickly turn into EXCELLENT Star Wars lore. Great storylines, great action, and engaging enough for older fans (as long as you don't mind watching animation). Both stories would have made much better filmic or live action tv versions than what we've gotten so far (not including The Mandalorian).
Each week just gets dumber than the last, which has been the only surprise factor for me.
It goes from straight up lore contradiction to asking us to believe some really dumb stuff (the hat and the trench coat disguise, anybody? REALLY?)...the whole first confrontation with Vader (TERRIBLY DUMB and he did NOT "let Obi Wan go to eff with him"...I quote Plaxico Burress: "get that sh*t outta here")
I can't even keep up with the dumb on this one. It out-dumbs Book of Boba Fett, which is saying alot (although I really enjoyed the two Mando episodes). It rivals the prequels and sequels for dumbitude.
The last 4 episodes of the Clone Wars was incredible (as good as the original trilogy imo), better than the prequels by a lot. Ahsoka, Bo Katan, Maul, Rex and the Clones, you felt something at the end of it.
Mandolorian was great, tell me you didn't get emotional when Mando and Grogu parted. Plus the action was well choreographed and fun. Ahsoka as a jedi whooped that ass, as did Luke. But the story, writing and acting was all well done.
Obi Wan has enormous potential, everyone loves this character already. But watching this, I don't laugh, I don't get misty eyed, the action is boring, there are a few fan service moments which feel cheap and flat after inital shock.
I dunno. I just thought it would be excellent after Mando.
where the only thing that mattered was "the Message", because that's all she cares about. Story, script, acting, characters, editing, set design, don't matter. Until Disney cleanes themselves of politics, and realizes their business is "entertainment", not fixing society's problems, they will continue to put out garbage.
You would think the fact that their corporate stock has fallen 36.3% over 6 months would tell them something. Nope, deaf ears.
And they surprisingly canned the head TV exec. The blame game was already underway. RIP Lucasfilm.
RE: STar Wars can be good, in fact it can be fantastic
The last 4 episodes of the Clone Wars was incredible (as good as the original trilogy imo), better than the prequels by a lot. Ahsoka, Bo Katan, Maul, Rex and the Clones, you felt something at the end of it.
Mandolorian was great, tell me you didn't get emotional when Mando and Grogu parted. Plus the action was well choreographed and fun. Ahsoka as a jedi whooped that ass, as did Luke. But the story, writing and acting was all well done.
Obi Wan has enormous potential, everyone loves this character already. But watching this, I don't laugh, I don't get misty eyed, the action is boring, there are a few fan service moments which feel cheap and flat after inital shock.
I dunno. I just thought it would be excellent after Mando.
I definitely understand the contrast and criticism here. TCW created new characters and spanned 7 seasons, Mando again mostly new characters and we have no idea what the end will be...ObiWan is much more constrained, in terms of characters, episodes, and knowing what the end result has to be because of IV.
I believe Andor will be good because it can explore other characters and places, and doesn't have quite the same constraints on the end game.
Bail Organa has worked so hard to protect Leia and her secret lineage from anyone which is why she has never left her planet until she was kidnapped. Then he sends a message to Obi-Wan fearing something happened to him and gives up everything including Luke and he somehow mentions Owen which makes no sense either. If he is concerned that something happened to Obi-Wan why the hell would he send a message that will then be intercepted by the empire providing them with both of Vader's children?
after the second episode, but for your enjoyment... YouTuber Robot Head's take from June 7th....
Lucasfilm Hates Everything To Do With The Jedi - ( New Window )
Robot Head is awesome. Thank for sharing this. It's the usual top quality.
Watched a lot of the animated stuff on Disney + during the pandemic and the new series.
I enjoy the show. I don't expect too much from it. Unlike others I think it adds more to ANH, so the next time I watch it I can see it from another perspective, which I think is cool. How often does that happen with 40+ year old movies.
They are in a no win situation with most of the star wars stuff because people are going to be hypercritical, particularly with characters from the original trilogy.I bet Ahsoka & Andor will do better with fans
RE: The fight scene between Vader and Riva was so bad
Everything about it was just ridiculous and corny looking.
Thank you. It looked like a fight scene from one of those spoof movies that would have been made about this series. Someone needs to just shoot Kathleen Kennedy.
Watched a lot of the animated stuff on Disney + during the pandemic and the new series.
I enjoy the show. I don't expect too much from it. Unlike others I think it adds more to ANH, so the next time I watch it I can see it from another perspective, which I think is cool. How often does that happen with 40+ year old movies.
They are in a no win situation with most of the star wars stuff because people are going to be hypercritical, particularly with characters from the original trilogy.I bet Ahsoka & Andor will do better with fans
I disagree. There is a lot they could have done with this show and character without pissing off a lot of fans, while at the same time not pandering to them as well. They just produced a real shit burger here.
People are nitpicking. It's actually a very good series.
I don't really see any continuity issues - everything that takes place seems reasonable about 10 years prior to the events of New Hope.
If anything, the series is held back by the fact that it is so closely tied to the first two trilogies - character look, action sequences, and dialogue has to remain somewhat consistent. There's an attempt to try to get these episodes to fit in seamlessly with films that were made 20 and 40 years ago, so of course it's going to suffer a bit creatively and visually.
But it still manages, rather impressively in my opinion, to provide a pretty fresh take on characters whom everyone has become very familiar with over the years. I agree that the new characters, including Reva, leave a lot to be desired but they're just vehicles to move the plot - they're not all that important to the story being told. Regardless, I'm looking forward to the finale.
This is also the first of their TV projects that looks like a TV project. For example, when the 2 speeders attacked the base to save them, it looked terrible. You could tell they were models, which is unheard of for Star Wars. It's not just that it's on the small screen. It's that it is a small screen production, if that makes sense.
I enjoyed the latest episode though the battle portions were not done well. An Obi Wan vs Vader showdown will be nice.
Also the PG, sanitized violence of the show takes away any sizzle. I know it's Disney but they won't even show half the grit of say the Mandalorian. For me the young Leia (baby Leia) character is a mistake, insufferable and a play to the younger viewer.
Oh...and I almost forgot...you rescued me over the course of several weeks and multiple planets!
Oh...and I almost forgot...you rescued me over the course of several weeks and multiple planets!
Exactly…
I have a variety of feedback on it, little of it good. But I won't keep piling on.
Also the PG, sanitized violence of the show takes away any sizzle. I know it's Disney but they won't even show half the grit of say the Mandalorian. For me the young Leia (baby Leia) character is a mistake, insufferable and a play to the younger viewer.
I don't mind an arc where Ben Kenobi starts broken and then finds peace and his ways again - transformation from broken war loser to wise old sage we see in ANH. But this was just poorly executed. I think his hair should have been greyer too - a symbol of what the war did to him.
I did dig the Vader fight in the most recent episode though. He's a badass and I'm here for it. I'm an Anakin fanboy so I liked the flashback as well. Thought they would do far far more of that. Should have.
Oh...and I almost forgot...you rescued me over the course of several weeks and multiple planets!
Sadly, it seems we will not be getting the rumored final battle with Darth Maul.
I don't mind an arc where Ben Kenobi starts broken and then finds peace and his ways again - transformation from broken war loser to wise old sage we see in ANH. But this was just poorly executed. I think his hair should have been greyer too - a symbol of what the war did to him.
I did dig the Vader fight in the most recent episode though. He's a badass and I'm here for it. I'm an Anakin fanboy so I liked the flashback as well. Thought they would do far far more of that. Should have.
As for Obi-wan, I've said it many times now...there is plenty of material about him. He wasn't a broken old man on Tatpoine. He was still training and preparing for Luke. His struggle was more a moral dilemma as he wanted to intervene to help others, and often had to show restraint or do so from a distance.
There was a while book about it called the Oni-wan Chronicles, I believe. That was popular with my boys, as it went back and forth from Obi-wan to Luke (between ESB and ROTJ). Good read and great for young readers. Better than the annoying Leia drivel.
They just missed with the story. Filoni has cache and can get past this but Obi Wan had the potential to be so immense.
And why is the CGI so friggin bad.
Perhaps they wipe Leia’s memory of this and that’s why she brings up the Clone Wars. Of course, people will have a problem with that, but are fine with the Father wiping out Anakin’s memory on Mortis after the Son showed him what he would become.
There is a lot that can happen over the next 10 yrs, use your own imagination to fill in the blanks. A lot of us were kids when the OT came out. Everything was bigger and more magical when you’re a kid. Nostalgia must be more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
Vader can be in it but should be more behind the scenes. It made sense for Ben to learn that Anakin survived but Vader doesn't know that Ben is alive in ANH. He's somewhat surprised to "feel" him on the Death Star in ANH. I did enjoy the flashback parts and how it helped Obi calculate Vader's attack strategy.
The Reva a character is so contrived IMO. I know they thought, "How can we have a sassy, tough black woman be a main character?" There were already numerous Inquisitors to choose from, most are aliens. The others in the show are all from the EU, Reva is a completely new character created for the series.
Perhaps they wipe Leia’s memory of this and that’s why she brings up the Clone Wars. Of course, people will have a problem with that, but are fine with the Father wiping out Anakin’s memory on Mortis after the Son showed him what he would become.
There is a lot that can happen over the next 10 yrs, use your own imagination to fill in the blanks. A lot of us were kids when the OT came out. Everything was bigger and more magical when you’re a kid. Nostalgia must be more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
SW target audience shifted with RotJ (hello ewoks). I see this with Pokemon games as well, where 30-40 year olds feel like the new games should be created with them in mind instead of kids; they fail to realize that kids have always been the target audience and they've just aged out.
With SW sure, some of the hardcore fans may be upset just like they were with EP1...and 2...3 not so much that was well received... but the ST and D+ shows are just continuing the cycle of certain segments complaining about SW being ruined.
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Perhaps they wipe Leia’s memory of this and that’s why she brings up the Clone Wars. Of course, people will have a problem with that, but are fine with the Father wiping out Anakin’s memory on Mortis after the Son showed him what he would become.
There is a lot that can happen over the next 10 yrs, use your own imagination to fill in the blanks. A lot of us were kids when the OT came out. Everything was bigger and more magical when you’re a kid. Nostalgia must be more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
I can use my own imagination and come up with something sure better than what we are seeing here. This isn't just the contradictions to SW cannon or a want for nostalgia, this is plain and simple bad writing.
I could see a plot where another Jedi finds Obi through the Force people locater app and tells him about the Inquisitors and needing to save Force-sensitive children, says Obi is the only Jedi strong enough to help. Obi at first says no but finally agrees but insists the other stays Jedi behind to watch over Luke. We could get to know some of the children he will save, maybe a young Ezra thrown in, battles with Inquisitors, etc. Vader pulling the strings but is shocked when they manage to escape, his rage blinding him from feeling Obi-Wan's presence.
They don’t have the budget to make everything look as good as it should - and you can’t help but become completely aware that the target audience is people who wouldnt yet notice - diluting the quality of the thing in the first place.
Ill kee watching, admittedly, but it’s more like just watching some shitty, pulpy, piece of mindless entertainment. As has been mentioned, there are no real stakes.
Feels like a lot of blown potential, that’s all
I mean the show sucks. Nitpicking infers its good.
Other than that, great show!
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Pretty much, yeah. The animated Rebels series is pretty good too, but I agree that most everything done since the original trilogy is crap.
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Clone Wars and Rebels are some of the best Star Wars content made. Def worth watching.
If I'm being critical, Disney certainly missed by hyping this up for years and then delivering only six ~35 minute episodes. It's also clear that they probably made the right business decision by using the first of the new trilogy to go all-in on fan service, because clearly fans don't have any patience for a story to develop when it involves the Skywalker characters.
On the Leia/Obi-Wan thing: If you ask me, it's as easy to jump to the conclusion that in a New Hope she makes it clear she knows him more than she is letting on by using both his names. You can also tell by his reaction to her message that he is struck by more than the content of the message while the message is playing. They're trying to save the galaxy and she was sending a message like the one we just saw in Episode 5 get intercepted, what did we think she'd do? Stop to give us backstory and rat on a guy who is still in hiding? Did we need her to stop Luke in the middle of their adventures saving the galaxy to fill him in on the details of her and Obi-Wan's past?
Still, the writers are on record saying they obviously thoroughly debated this and considered canon.
At the end of the day, haters are going to hate. But I'd rather have these 6 episodes than none at all. Star Wars is fun.
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We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Yep. I think Mandalorian gave everyone false hope. Disney got excited at the prospect of having a Star Wars thing that didn't suck and just blew their load early with more poorly thought out crap.
You would think the fact that their corporate stock has fallen 36.3% over 6 months would tell them something. Nope, deaf ears.
We have one excellent movie (Empire), two great ones (ANH and Rogue 1) and one good one (ROTJ). And one good series - Mandalorian.
The other 7 movies, Boba Fett and Obi Wan are bad or worse.
Maybe the animated kids' shows are good, I don't know, I haven't watched them and don't see myself doing that. There's too much actual good TV to watch elsewhere.
Clone Wars and Rebels both kind of start off with "kid's gloves", and look a little clunky, but quickly turn into EXCELLENT Star Wars lore. Great storylines, great action, and engaging enough for older fans (as long as you don't mind watching animation). Both stories would have made much better filmic or live action tv versions than what we've gotten so far (not including The Mandalorian).
Each week just gets dumber than the last, which has been the only surprise factor for me.
It goes from straight up lore contradiction to asking us to believe some really dumb stuff (the hat and the trench coat disguise, anybody? REALLY?)...the whole first confrontation with Vader (TERRIBLY DUMB and he did NOT "let Obi Wan go to eff with him"...I quote Plaxico Burress: "get that sh*t outta here")
I can't even keep up with the dumb on this one. It out-dumbs Book of Boba Fett, which is saying alot (although I really enjoyed the two Mando episodes). It rivals the prequels and sequels for dumbitude.
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Mandolorian was great, tell me you didn't get emotional when Mando and Grogu parted. Plus the action was well choreographed and fun. Ahsoka as a jedi whooped that ass, as did Luke. But the story, writing and acting was all well done.
Obi Wan has enormous potential, everyone loves this character already. But watching this, I don't laugh, I don't get misty eyed, the action is boring, there are a few fan service moments which feel cheap and flat after inital shock.
I dunno. I just thought it would be excellent after Mando.
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You would think the fact that their corporate stock has fallen 36.3% over 6 months would tell them something. Nope, deaf ears.
And they surprisingly canned the head TV exec. The blame game was already underway. RIP Lucasfilm.
Mandolorian was great, tell me you didn't get emotional when Mando and Grogu parted. Plus the action was well choreographed and fun. Ahsoka as a jedi whooped that ass, as did Luke. But the story, writing and acting was all well done.
Obi Wan has enormous potential, everyone loves this character already. But watching this, I don't laugh, I don't get misty eyed, the action is boring, there are a few fan service moments which feel cheap and flat after inital shock.
I dunno. I just thought it would be excellent after Mando.
I definitely understand the contrast and criticism here. TCW created new characters and spanned 7 seasons, Mando again mostly new characters and we have no idea what the end will be...ObiWan is much more constrained, in terms of characters, episodes, and knowing what the end result has to be because of IV.
I believe Andor will be good because it can explore other characters and places, and doesn't have quite the same constraints on the end game.
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I enjoy the show. I don't expect too much from it. Unlike others I think it adds more to ANH, so the next time I watch it I can see it from another perspective, which I think is cool. How often does that happen with 40+ year old movies.
They are in a no win situation with most of the star wars stuff because people are going to be hypercritical, particularly with characters from the original trilogy.I bet Ahsoka & Andor will do better with fans
I enjoy the show. I don't expect too much from it. Unlike others I think it adds more to ANH, so the next time I watch it I can see it from another perspective, which I think is cool. How often does that happen with 40+ year old movies.
They are in a no win situation with most of the star wars stuff because people are going to be hypercritical, particularly with characters from the original trilogy.I bet Ahsoka & Andor will do better with fans
If anything, the series is held back by the fact that it is so closely tied to the first two trilogies - character look, action sequences, and dialogue has to remain somewhat consistent. There's an attempt to try to get these episodes to fit in seamlessly with films that were made 20 and 40 years ago, so of course it's going to suffer a bit creatively and visually.
But it still manages, rather impressively in my opinion, to provide a pretty fresh take on characters whom everyone has become very familiar with over the years. I agree that the new characters, including Reva, leave a lot to be desired but they're just vehicles to move the plot - they're not all that important to the story being told. Regardless, I'm looking forward to the finale.