NFL considering one year suspension for Deshaun Watson

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Should be fired. How you make that trade is beyond me.

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He signed a contract anticipating this. Browns we’re fine structuring it this way.

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Especially signing him to that contract
Would’ve had some picks conditional too
Texans did a good job , finally , with this deal.

This is one of the dumbest moves by a sports franchise in recent memory.

Watson will not have played football 2 years straight in the prime years of his career.

was first announced my first thought was the guy on the Jets draft day blunders video when they selected O'Brien over Marino "Obviously the Browns know something the people up here don't"

lol, no they didn't, just the Browns being the Browns.

I’m not usually in the car at noon, but I enjoyed it.

clamored for the Giants to go after him in the last year or so.

Would be surprised, or not, on how careless the players are on this guy. Recently both Myles Garrett called it a slip up, and Jadeveon Clowney said he re-signed with CLE and would have gone to ATL if Watson went there.

Even non Browns like Darius Leonard felt it was wrong how headstrong the media was about "going at him". Like, fuck off dude.

In comment 15735015 State Your Name said:

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I’m not usually in the car at noon, but I enjoyed it.

What did he say?

In comment 15735021 section125 said:

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clamored for the Giants to go after him in the last year or so.

Lol, exactly. I’m not going to call anyone out, but there were a few of the usual suspects suggesting we trade our two top 10’s this year, a first in 2023 and more to land him in a trade. And also cut a bunch of players given the fact the Giants had no cap room to sign him to some mega deal.

In comment 15735027 Toth029 said:

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Would be surprised, or not, on how careless the players are on this guy. Recently both Myles Garrett called it a slip up, and Jadeveon Clowney said he re-signed with CLE and would have gone to ATL if Watson went there. Even non Browns like Darius Leonard felt it was wrong how headstrong the media was about "going at him". Like, fuck off dude.

I don't know any athletes that well, but in my mind this reaction is because they all get massages (for example) and they all expect the masseuse (metaphorical) is a willing participant in a happy ending just because they are rich and famous athletes.

Some of the basketball groupie stuff I have read is absolutely wild. I imagine most athletes think this way and it's "the culture" and not in any way making excuses or saying it's ok, but IMO there is a lot of enablement along the way.

So, not putting words or thoughts in anyone's mouth or mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if they feel like Watson didn't really do anything wrong. Because they all do it as some level or something similar.

In comment 15734960 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Should be fired. How you make that trade is beyond me.

A move like this sounds like owner meddling. Have to think Jimmy and Dee Haslam saw what happened with Matt Stafford and thought they would follow the model.

this move just goes against anything Paul DePosdesta like

In comment 15735036 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15735027 Toth029 said: Quote: Would be surprised, or not, on how careless the players are on this guy. Recently both Myles Garrett called it a slip up, and Jadeveon Clowney said he re-signed with CLE and would have gone to ATL if Watson went there. Even non Browns like Darius Leonard felt it was wrong how headstrong the media was about "going at him". Like, fuck off dude. I don't know any athletes that well, but in my mind this reaction is because they all get massages (for example) and they all expect the masseuse (metaphorical) is a willing participant in a happy ending just because they are rich and famous athletes. Some of the basketball groupie stuff I have read is absolutely wild. I imagine most athletes think this way and it's "the culture" and not in any way making excuses or saying it's ok, but IMO there is a lot of enablement along the way. So, not putting words or thoughts in anyone's mouth or mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if they feel like Watson didn't really do anything wrong. Because they all do it as some level or something similar.

Basically, people in a position of power.

Pretty said commentary.

In comment 15735084 BillKo said:

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In comment 15735036 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 15735027 Toth029 said: Quote: Would be surprised, or not, on how careless the players are on this guy. Recently both Myles Garrett called it a slip up, and Jadeveon Clowney said he re-signed with CLE and would have gone to ATL if Watson went there. Even non Browns like Darius Leonard felt it was wrong how headstrong the media was about "going at him". Like, fuck off dude. I don't know any athletes that well, but in my mind this reaction is because they all get massages (for example) and they all expect the masseuse (metaphorical) is a willing participant in a happy ending just because they are rich and famous athletes. Some of the basketball groupie stuff I have read is absolutely wild. I imagine most athletes think this way and it's "the culture" and not in any way making excuses or saying it's ok, but IMO there is a lot of enablement along the way. So, not putting words or thoughts in anyone's mouth or mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if they feel like Watson didn't really do anything wrong. Because they all do it as some level or something similar. Basically, people in a position of power. Pretty said commentary.

Pretty SAD commentary.

That there are four basic drivers of human motivation:

In order of importance:

1. pleasure, including sexual pleasure
2. revenge
3. greed
4. power

I think both the Deshaun Watson episode and this thread illustrate the truth of what Russell said

...Steve

In comment 15735175 Vanzetti said:

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That there are four basic drivers of human motivation: In order of importance: 1. pleasure, including sexual pleasure 2. revenge 3. greed 4. power I think both the Deshaun Watson episode and this thread illustrate the truth of what Russell said

I keep it simple: man is sinful by nature and if there were never consequences then sin would abound more and more and more to the point of death & destruction. We all foul up and Watson will pay a price that hopefully grows him and (possibly) steers others on the right path.

In comment 15735033 eric2425ny said:

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In comment 15735021 section125 said: Quote: clamored for the Giants to go after him in the last year or so. Lol, exactly. I’m not going to call anyone out, but there were a few of the usual suspects suggesting we trade our two top 10’s this year, a first in 2023 and more to land him in a trade. And also cut a bunch of players given the fact the Giants had no cap room to sign him to some mega deal.

You mean the usual suspects that caveated their remarks that any pursuit of Watson would have to include some understanding of what the NFL was planning to do with any suspensions?

Those usual suspects?

In comment 15735175 Vanzetti said:

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That there are four basic drivers of human motivation: In order of importance: 1. pleasure, including sexual pleasure 2. revenge 3. greed 4. power I think both the Deshaun Watson episode and this thread illustrate the truth of what Russell said

Who are Bertrand and Russell? Maslow disagrees and he does have some credibility on this topic (IMO).

Maslow claims the primary human motivators are (in order):

Physiological (so maybe pleasure he meant food, water, etc - that which you need to live)

Security and safety (money, health)

Social (friendships, to be liked, community)

Esteem (respect - how often do you hear this in contract negotiations)

Self-actualization (opportunity to reach your potential)

In comment 15735216 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15735033 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 15735021 section125 said: Quote: clamored for the Giants to go after him in the last year or so. Lol, exactly. I’m not going to call anyone out, but there were a few of the usual suspects suggesting we trade our two top 10’s this year, a first in 2023 and more to land him in a trade. And also cut a bunch of players given the fact the Giants had no cap room to sign him to some mega deal. You mean the usual suspects that caveated their remarks that any pursuit of Watson would have to include some understanding of what the NFL was planning to do with any suspensions? Those usual suspects?

What difference does it make? It would have been an awful decision to trade for him. Period. And I think he is an excellent QB.

I am somewhat surprised that they are talking about a year(they may be floating that timeframe to gain insight on public opinion). I was thinking a 4 to 6 game suspension was likely if no criminal charges were brought.

suspension.

And, despite how Cleveland orchestrated their trade, it may not have been an awful decision for some teams to pursue Watson. Period also...

In comment 15735220 Jimmy Googs said:

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suspension. And, despite how Cleveland orchestrated their trade, it may not have been an awful decision for some teams to pursue Watson. Period also...

It was a bad trade for Cleveland. And they should have gotten rid of Mayfield 1st because he is now useless to them with almost no trade value.

And it would have been a terrible decision for the Giants to pursue him, as good as he is. There is no way his actions would be swept under the rug in NYC.

team would have. And I didn't know NYC is where people turn to in order to measure moral high ground.

Let me use a BBI favorite to summarize the decision to pursue Watson, "let's wait and see"...

In comment 15735224 Jimmy Googs said:

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team would have. And I didn't know NYC is where people turn to in order to measure moral high ground. Let me use a BBI favorite to summarize the decision to pursue Watson, "let's wait and see"...

Cleveland gave up fairly close to what was speculated the Texans wanted...whatever team traded for him would have given similar numbers. Cleveland's mistake was not getting rid of Mayfield 1st.

I didn't say NYC has any moral high ground - they just have more vicious, holier than thou reporters than in places like Cleveland, Charlotte and Atlanta, for example.

And the news comment is silly nowadays...

I still think there will be a happy ending with regards to this story.

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I still think there will be a happy ending with regards to this story.

So, you’re expecting Watson to get off?

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I still think there will be a happy ending with regards to this story.

That would rub me the wrong way and tug at my heart strings

this is getting out of hand!

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I still think there will be a happy ending with regards to this story.

You got to hand it to him to land a $250M guaranteed contract of the situation.

jerk off.

A rich white owner pays an Asian sex slave for a hand job and skates. Now they’re going to suspend an African American superstar for what ? Exposing his genitals ? Propositioning a female massage therapist for sex? As if it doesn’t happen all the time all the time? If he actually assaulted someone it’s a different story. BTW , simply whipping it out is not assault. After Rothlesberger, a white child molester gets a few games, and Kraft a white owner doesn’t even get a fine, the NFL is in for a shitstorm if Watson gets anything more than a slap on the wrist

In comment 15735303 Ron from Ninerland said:

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A rich white owner pays an Asian sex slave for a hand job and skates. Now they’re going to suspend an African American superstar for what ? Exposing his genitals ? Propositioning a female massage therapist for sex? As if it doesn’t happen all the time all the time? If he actually assaulted someone it’s a different story. BTW , simply whipping it out is not assault. After Rothlesberger, a white child molester gets a few games, and Kraft a white owner doesn’t even get a fine, the NFL is in for a shitstorm if Watson gets anything more than a slap on the wrist

of course someone has to make it into a racial issue by comparing situations not similar.

fully exposes any possible penal offense.

Kraft the usual entitled owner and Big Ben- well we know his story. None of them reflect well on the league. Not that the league cares. They are in bed with the gambling industry so judging character is a bit hypocritical

In comment 15735216 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15735033 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 15735021 section125 said: Quote: clamored for the Giants to go after him in the last year or so. Lol, exactly. I’m not going to call anyone out, but there were a few of the usual suspects suggesting we trade our two top 10’s this year, a first in 2023 and more to land him in a trade. And also cut a bunch of players given the fact the Giants had no cap room to sign him to some mega deal. You mean the usual suspects that caveated their remarks that any pursuit of Watson would have to include some understanding of what the NFL was planning to do with any suspensions? Those usual suspects?

You mean the same usual suspects who think this made them looks smart- when- when the NFL wouldn’t give an answer to Miami when they almost had a trade lined up last year? The same usual suspects who think that the Giants would have had a different outcome?

Stupid always goes to the mat to defend stupid.

In comment 15735349 rich in DC said:

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In comment 15735216 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 15735033 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 15735021 section125 said: Quote: clamored for the Giants to go after him in the last year or so. Lol, exactly. I’m not going to call anyone out, but there were a few of the usual suspects suggesting we trade our two top 10’s this year, a first in 2023 and more to land him in a trade. And also cut a bunch of players given the fact the Giants had no cap room to sign him to some mega deal. You mean the usual suspects that caveated their remarks that any pursuit of Watson would have to include some understanding of what the NFL was planning to do with any suspensions? Those usual suspects? You mean the same usual suspects who think this made them looks smart- when- when the NFL wouldn’t give an answer to Miami when they almost had a trade lined up last year? The same usual suspects who think that the Giants would have had a different outcome? Stupid always goes to the mat to defend stupid.

A year ago? Gee, I wonder why the NFL lollygagged around back then.

You seem to be on the mat…

Do they try to sweet talk Baker into playing the season? And how loudly does he tell them go fuck themselves?

In comment 15735277 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15735274 SLIM_ said: Quote: I still think there will be a happy ending with regards to this story. So, you’re expecting Watson to get off?

Isn't that how this whole mess started?

"Good Ol Days".

Society just let athletes/public figures get away with it back then.

LT solicited underage prostitutes. Let's not throw stones.

Obviously just my own internet judgement, but it’s pretty clear to me that this guy is a sexual predator. His alleged crimes, and they are crimes, are alleged by more than 30 individuals and indicate an obvious serial criminal compulsion. Again, just from what I read, the extensive investigation of facts and allegations and events indicate this guy is a compulsive criminal predator. If Watson were selling cars or working in a bank or a professional mechanic or anything but a rich guy I’m pretty sure he’d already be in jail. And I think he should be in jail. It’s a disgrace that the NFL allows this scumbag to soil the shield. And make no mistake, Deshaun Watson is soiling the NFL shield. A one year suspension isn’t nearly enough. This piece of trash should be out of the league altogether.

In comment 15735351 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15735349 rich in DC said: Quote: In comment 15735216 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 15735033 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 15735021 section125 said: Quote: clamored for the Giants to go after him in the last year or so. Lol, exactly. I’m not going to call anyone out, but there were a few of the usual suspects suggesting we trade our two top 10’s this year, a first in 2023 and more to land him in a trade. And also cut a bunch of players given the fact the Giants had no cap room to sign him to some mega deal. You mean the usual suspects that caveated their remarks that any pursuit of Watson would have to include some understanding of what the NFL was planning to do with any suspensions? Those usual suspects? You mean the same usual suspects who think this made them looks smart- when- when the NFL wouldn’t give an answer to Miami when they almost had a trade lined up last year? The same usual suspects who think that the Giants would have had a different outcome? Stupid always goes to the mat to defend stupid. A year ago? Gee, I wonder why the NFL lollygagged around back then. You seem to be on the mat…

Nice try to gaslight, but you’re still the one who bet on stupid and lost. You are just madly spinning trying to find a way to make yourself look like you had an inkling of what you were talking about. Now that it’s blown up in your face, you are left with insults, gaslighting and making up nonsense.

In comment 15735478 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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"Good Ol Days". Society just let athletes/public figures get away with it back then. LT solicited underage prostitutes. Let's not throw stones.

Not while he was playing though.

And if you’re looking for insults, try reading your posts again.

Besides it’s all about scheme, right?

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Do they try to sweet talk Baker into playing the season? And how loudly does he tell them go fuck themselves?

Would be epic to see Garoppolo end up in Cleveland, even for a season.

In comment 15735478 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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"Good Ol Days". Society just let athletes/public figures get away with it back then. LT solicited underage prostitutes. Let's not throw stones.

I like to remember LT as someone who sent legal age prostitutes to opposing team hotel rooms.

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In comment 15735603 FStubbs said:

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In comment 15735478 SirLoinOfBeef said: Quote: "Good Ol Days". Society just let athletes/public figures get away with it back then. LT solicited underage prostitutes. Let's not throw stones. Not while he was playing though.

Rrriiiiigggghhhhtttt.....

Jersey owner?