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NGT: Here’s How the Ravens Are Fleecing the NFL Again

Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/19/2022 10:08 am
Enjoyed this deep dive by Connor Orr into the Ravens' draft strategy, and how they stay away from spending capital on lesser talent at premium positions in favor of the top players and undervalued positions.

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No team has dominated the middle rounds like the Ravens under former GM Ozzie Newsome and now Eric DeCosta. This year, the Ravens had six fourth-round picks, the most fourth-round selections by any team in NFL history. Starting in 2013, a look at their draft pick history shows a distinct widening in the middle rounds simply by understanding the value of letting certain players walk in free agency and what it would cost them in capital to sign new players. These picks have turned into Brandon Williams, Kyle Juszczyk, Nick Boyle, Za’Darius Smith, Tavon Young, Matt Judon, Mark Andrews, Orlando Brown Jr. and so on. You get the picture. Baltimore is paying less for better talent than any team in professional football.


Good read, especially when you consider the previous regime's allocation of capital.
Ravens have a strategy that works for them,  
Ben in Tampa : 6/19/2022 10:24 am : link
but it’s worth pointing out that the last two Super Bowl winners used essentially the opposite strategy and the Ravens haven’t advanced out of the divisional round in 10 years.

So “fleecing the NFL” wouldn’t be how I would describe it.
RE: Ravens have a strategy that works for them,  
The Dude : 6/19/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15735605 Ben in Tampa said:
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but it’s worth pointing out that the last two Super Bowl winners used essentially the opposite strategy and the Ravens haven’t advanced out of the divisional round in 10 years.

So “fleecing the NFL” wouldn’t be how I would describe it.


You're not necessarily wrong. But alot goes into winning and losing football games, especially across an entire year. Might just be a semantics game.

I look at the point being made as, constantly, BALT is snatching up mid round players that become starters...which is enough to be considered a good hit, but they're above average starters. Again, this seems to happen constantly. Of course, all of what i just said doesn't equal deep playoff runs straight up. Again, might be semantics but looking at some of their decisions and drafts, they are certainly "fleecing" some teams in the NFL.
Several of those players listed were not middle round picks  
Jay on the Island : 6/19/2022 10:44 am : link
Brandon Williams, Mark Andrews, and Orlando Brown Jr. were 3rd round picks.
RE: Several of those players listed were not middle round picks  
robbieballs2003 : 6/19/2022 10:57 am : link
In comment 15735610 Jay on the Island said:
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Brandon Williams, Mark Andrews, and Orlando Brown Jr. were 3rd round picks.


Why would you say the 3rd round is not the middle rounds?
Of the eight players named, five did not play  
shyster : 6/19/2022 11:00 am : link
for the Ravens last season.

Among the remaining three, Nick Boyle caught one pass and Tavon Young had a PFF rating well below average, playing about half the snaps. He was not brought back for 2022.

Mark Andrews is a good player; that's one.

The accuracy of the present tense in the statement, "Baltimore is paying less for more talent" depends pretty much entirely on how the 2022 draft class turns out.

Which is an unknown at this point.
RE: RE: Several of those players listed were not middle round picks  
Keaton028 : 6/19/2022 11:03 am : link
In comment 15735615 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15735610 Jay on the Island said:


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Brandon Williams, Mark Andrews, and Orlando Brown Jr. were 3rd round picks.



Why would you say the 3rd round is not the middle rounds?



Yeah I’m confused by this too. There is 7 rounds. 3-4 round are the definition of middle round.
Link?  
larryflower37 : 6/19/2022 11:13 am : link
To the story
sorry forgot to add it.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/19/2022 11:27 am : link
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RE: Several of those players listed were not middle round picks  
Payasdaddy : 6/19/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15735610 Jay on the Island said:
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Brandon Williams, Mark Andrews, and Orlando Brown Jr. were 3rd round picks.



Think Brown was a 2nd rounder. Could be wrong
RE: RE: Several of those players listed were not middle round picks  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/19/2022 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15735652 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 15735610 Jay on the Island said:


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Brandon Williams, Mark Andrews, and Orlando Brown Jr. were 3rd round picks.




Think Brown was a 2nd rounder. Could be wrong


He was a 3rd rounder. I was so pissed when Gettlemen didn't draft him, but drafted Lorenzo Carter, then BJ Hill instead of him.

JFC, the guy was a unanimous All-American. So what if he had a bad combine?!? In the 3rd round he was an absolute steal!
They  
Professor Falken : 6/19/2022 12:55 pm : link
fleeced themselves right out of the playoffs last season.
The article is not so much draft spot but  
larryflower37 : 6/19/2022 1:03 pm : link
Players drafted from prime positions such as left tackle, WR, CB, etc. Instead drafting non premium positions higher like Safety, guard, punter, MLB, TE etc and prime positions later.
Which keeps cost down and gets the best at players at those positions later.
Good OP that makes you assess  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2022 1:08 pm : link
what constitutes sound drafting strategy. With Ozzie Newsome, clearly very good at what he did--and lo, and behold, he played the game very well--stability, matching draft strategy, roster construction, and selection with coaching staff participation--and solid scouting, it's orchestral in scope and you need a talented conductor.
Well run organization.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/19/2022 2:25 pm : link
No doubt about that.
RE: Well run organization.  
djm : 6/19/2022 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15735715 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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No doubt about that.


Exactly. There are some people trying to poke holes but there’s no doubt the ravens have done a great job drafting early or mid round talents over the years.a team could still beat them in January but that doesn’t erase their draft record.
I am not sure that "Fleecing"  
short lease : 6/19/2022 5:15 pm : link
which meaning is "to swindle" is the right term?

They hit on their middle rounds picks ... so? How is that cheating?
curious how they are going to do...  
islander1 : 6/19/2022 7:26 pm : link
with no NFL quality starting WRs.

Run 55 times a game, I guess.
RE: The article is not so much draft spot but  
FStubbs : 6/19/2022 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15735677 larryflower37 said:
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Players drafted from prime positions such as left tackle, WR, CB, etc. Instead drafting non premium positions higher like Safety, guard, punter, MLB, TE etc and prime positions later.
Which keeps cost down and gets the best at players at those positions later.


It works if you hit on those prime positions later. If you don't ... you're Dave Gettleman.
RE: curious how they are going to do...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/20/2022 7:31 am : link
In comment 15735870 islander1 said:
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with no NFL quality starting WRs.

Run 55 times a game, I guess.


The author's / reporter's hypothesis is based off of that: that the Ravens believe they are better off having an All-Pro caliber TE in Andrews (as No. 1 receiver) and giving Rashod Bateman a chance in their passing game than overpaying Hollywood Brown or a guy like Hunter Renfrow.

Also extends to drafting the 5th or 6th ranked WR in the first round when they can take the top safety in Hamilton.
I like how they draft  
UConn4523 : 6/20/2022 7:42 am : link
and build their team. Not winning a title doesn’t mean what they are doing isn’t working - it means they don’t have a top 5 (10 even) passer. They can’t just grow one of those guys so it’s a bit of a misnomer to say what they are doing isn’t working.

As long ask they keep doing it they will be set up well for whenever they figure out QB. This isn’t the Colts where they drafted really well for a few years, blew their chance, and haven’t gotten back to an elite level roster. Baltimore seems to always have a top roster. I’d rather be them than 25+ other NFL teams.
RE: Good OP that makes you assess  
chick310 : 6/20/2022 7:54 am : link
In comment 15735678 ColHowPepper said:
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what constitutes sound drafting strategy. With Ozzie Newsome, clearly very good at what he did--and lo, and behold, he played the game very well--stability, matching draft strategy, roster construction, and selection with coaching staff participation--and solid scouting, it's orchestral in scope and you need a talented conductor.


Good post. I like what the Ravens do as well, by figuring out how they want to play and then create a draft strategy around it. It still requires to be sound in player evaluations as any draft strategy would of course.

The Giants under Gettleman though seemed to draft in desperation with little strategy in mind and certainly underwhelming player evaluations. The best thing he did was to be bad at his job, leaving his successor 2 high first round picks.
Eh, I think they get too much credit these days  
Rudy5757 : 6/21/2022 11:55 am : link
for their past performance. They havent gotten out of the 1st round of the playoffs in a loooong time. That matters. Yes there is a lot that goes into it but being a solid team and a winning team are different. Since they won the Superbowl, they only won the division twice and lost their 1st game of the playoffs 4 times despite once being the #1 overall seed. They have the same number of playoff wins as the Giants since 2012 but clearly a better record. Since they won the Superbowl they missed the playoffs 5 times and made it 4.

I think there are a lot better examples of teams over the last 10 years than the Ravens. Every one is judging them on what they did prior to their Superbowl win in 2012 which they were dominant for 10 years. The last 10 have been good not great.
Rudy, I don’t think so  
UConn4523 : 6/21/2022 12:42 pm : link
NE had a consistent QB for 20 years
Pitt had a QB for 15 years
KC has had their QB and will for the next X years

The Ravens have been competitive for a very long time with Flacco and then a very flawed passer in Jackson (he was turned into an MVP specifically due to transitioning their team building). They haven’t been able to get that franchise altering passer at QB but they’ve basically nailed everything else over the years.
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