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NFT: is this monday a day off/holiday for you?

spike : 6/19/2022 10:35 pm
Just curious.

I do have to go to work as usual tomorrow. (Monday)
Yes, company Holiday  
Since1976 : 6/19/2022 10:47 pm : link
This year is first time
Yes, this is the first year.  
Matt M. : 6/19/2022 10:56 pm : link
I work for the DOE and they've spent a lot of time and money the last 5 years on equity, access, anti-racism, etc. I never heard of Juneteenth until a couple of years. In that short span, I think it went from a meaningful learning point to another BS holiday that is just a day off.
my office is closed but I'm working -  
Del Shofner : 6/19/2022 11:02 pm : link
just too much stuff to do...

...and I am trying to retire but the world won't let me
It is a company holiday  
Gmanfandan : 6/20/2022 12:42 am : link
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We had Friday off.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 5:36 am : link
Even though Juneteenth was yesterday and you'd think it would be observed today. 🤔🤔🤔.
nope....no rest for the wicked  
Jints in Carolina : 6/20/2022 8:20 am : link
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we have "early dismissal"  
Pork Chop : 6/20/2022 9:17 am : link
which means the contractors get paid 2 hours less
Nope  
BLUATHRT : 6/20/2022 9:20 am : link
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RE: Yes, this is the first year.  
k2tampa : 6/20/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15735940 Matt M. said:
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I work for the DOE and they've spent a lot of time and money the last 5 years on equity, access, anti-racism, etc. I never heard of Juneteenth until a couple of years. In that short span, I think it went from a meaningful learning point to another BS holiday that is just a day off.


Well, we probably have too many federal holidays. But you should take some time to learn the history behind it. It marks the day in 1865 when the last slaves in the U.S., 250,000 in southeast Texas, were freed by US troops, more than two years after the Emancipation Proclamation. It became a day blacks in Texas immediately began celebrating. It spread and has been important in African American culture in the US since then.

I suspect most African Americans when asked would consider it just as important, if not more so, than the day Lincoln gave his address, because it is the day slavery was actually ended in the US. Telling African Americans it is another BS holiday is akin to telling Americans July 4th is BS holiday. After all, who looks at July 4th as a historic day to reflect on the creation of our nation. It's just another day off to cook out, drink and shoot off fireworks.
RE: RE: Yes, this is the first year.  
Matt M. : 6/20/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15736030 k2tampa said:
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In comment 15735940 Matt M. said:


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I work for the DOE and they've spent a lot of time and money the last 5 years on equity, access, anti-racism, etc. I never heard of Juneteenth until a couple of years. In that short span, I think it went from a meaningful learning point to another BS holiday that is just a day off.



Well, we probably have too many federal holidays. But you should take some time to learn the history behind it. It marks the day in 1865 when the last slaves in the U.S., 250,000 in southeast Texas, were freed by US troops, more than two years after the Emancipation Proclamation. It became a day blacks in Texas immediately began celebrating. It spread and has been important in African American culture in the US since then.

I suspect most African Americans when asked would consider it just as important, if not more so, than the day Lincoln gave his address, because it is the day slavery was actually ended in the US. Telling African Americans it is another BS holiday is akin to telling Americans July 4th is BS holiday. After all, who looks at July 4th as a historic day to reflect on the creation of our nation. It's just another day off to cook out, drink and shoot off fireworks.
I think you missed my point, or I didn't express it wewll. This holiday is an important historical date and learning point, but in just a few short years of it being recognized more widely, it has now been reduced to just a day off for many (most?). The meaning has been diminished, in my opinion.
RE: RE: RE: Yes, this is the first year.  
Matt M. : 6/20/2022 10:52 am : link
In comment 15736070 Matt M. said:
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In comment 15736030 k2tampa said:


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In comment 15735940 Matt M. said:


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I work for the DOE and they've spent a lot of time and money the last 5 years on equity, access, anti-racism, etc. I never heard of Juneteenth until a couple of years. In that short span, I think it went from a meaningful learning point to another BS holiday that is just a day off.



Well, we probably have too many federal holidays. But you should take some time to learn the history behind it. It marks the day in 1865 when the last slaves in the U.S., 250,000 in southeast Texas, were freed by US troops, more than two years after the Emancipation Proclamation. It became a day blacks in Texas immediately began celebrating. It spread and has been important in African American culture in the US since then.

I suspect most African Americans when asked would consider it just as important, if not more so, than the day Lincoln gave his address, because it is the day slavery was actually ended in the US. Telling African Americans it is another BS holiday is akin to telling Americans July 4th is BS holiday. After all, who looks at July 4th as a historic day to reflect on the creation of our nation. It's just another day off to cook out, drink and shoot off fireworks.

I think you missed my point, or I didn't express it wewll. This holiday is an important historical date and learning point, but in just a few short years of it being recognized more widely, it has now been reduced to just a day off for many (most?). The meaning has been diminished, in my opinion.
To be clear, I'm not telling anyone the holiday or date doesn't matter. I fear thar is what is happening widespread rather quickly. I hope I'm wrong.

How many other holidays do you think the average American grasps the importance or significance of, as opposed to another day off to grill? I think not many. That is a knock on society, not the holiday or its meaning.

I think you expressed the importance of this holiday quite well, by the way. I fear most can't. But, it's important to recognize it...because some won't.
Not this year, but  
Tom from LI : 6/20/2022 11:10 am : link
we have unlimited PTO so for this year we are told we can take it using PTO.

We are super busy so even when I take PTO, I end up working anyway.

I think next year it will be a holiday here.

btw, I think unlimited PTO is a scam.

Unlimited PTO  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 11:25 am : link
is absolutely a scam. Studies have shown companies with unlimited PTO the employees actually take less time off than if they were allotted even a standard two-weeks, and it's not a liability on the books because you have no accrued PTO to pay out an employee who leaves the company or is let go.

and they know it's a scam, but they sell it like a time share.



Unlimited PTO  
Pete in MD : 6/20/2022 11:28 am : link
is a scam. It eliminates the benefit of PTO and makes it so you don’t feel entitled to your time off.
RE: Unlimited PTO  
BLUATHRT : 6/20/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15736114 pjcas18 said:
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is absolutely a scam. Studies have shown companies with unlimited PTO the employees actually take less time off than if they were allotted even a standard two-weeks, and it's not a liability on the books because you have no accrued PTO to pay out an employee who leaves the company or is let go.

and they know it's a scam, but they sell it like a time share.




Agreed. it's garbage reverse psychology.
I agree with both of you!  
Tom from LI : 6/20/2022 11:32 am : link
I feel guilty putting in for it.

I feel like its not really time off.
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Route 9 : 6/20/2022 11:35 am : link
Day after Super Bowl Sunday should be a holiday and my birthday
Yes  
Gman11 : 6/20/2022 11:35 am : link
But I'm retired so every Monday is a day off for me.
RE: Unlimited PTO  
djm : 6/20/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15736114 pjcas18 said:
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is absolutely a scam. Studies have shown companies with unlimited PTO the employees actually take less time off than if they were allotted even a standard two-weeks, and it's not a liability on the books because you have no accrued PTO to pay out an employee who leaves the company or is let go.

and they know it's a scam, but they sell it like a time share.




My friend works at a job where he has unlimited time off. He takes less time off than I do and I have a limit (about 5 1/2 weeks give or take) --and I question if he's even using as much as he says he uses because he says it kind of sheepishly, lol.
I dont have unlimited PTO  
mattlawson : 6/20/2022 11:57 am : link
But I have a lot more than I can reasonably take unless I leave and wind down like that.
My company went so far as to brand  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 12:01 pm : link
the unlimited PTO policy the "freedom policy"

lol.


but, I will say this, I am fortunate, I don't have much to complain about as far as employment goes. I am well compensated, treated fairly, and I'm not digging ditches. It's basically just the PTO policy I'd change.
No  
Trainmaster : 6/20/2022 12:03 pm : link
Working as a regular work day.

Yes, first time for my firm.  
chick310 : 6/20/2022 12:06 pm : link
It's kind of nice to have an extended weekend.
Retired ... and everyday is a Saturday but it seems to me we’ve come  
Spider56 : 6/20/2022 12:25 pm : link
full circle with this holiday. When I was growing up, we celebrated February 12 as Abe Lincoln’s birthday primarily because (amongst other things) he abolished slavery ... and this great deed was the main emphasis of hisremembrance. Then his day got lost in the shuffle as it combined with Washington’s Birthday (Feb 22) and morphed into ‘Presidents Day.’ So now we’re back to having both days with a different twist.
I am soooo glad I never had to work a real 9-5 job  
Stan in LA : 6/20/2022 1:43 pm : link
It would drive me nuts.
RE: Retired ... and everyday is a Saturday but it seems to me we’ve come  
Matt M. : 6/20/2022 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15736184 Spider56 said:
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full circle with this holiday. When I was growing up, we celebrated February 12 as Abe Lincoln’s birthday primarily because (amongst other things) he abolished slavery ... and this great deed was the main emphasis of hisremembrance. Then his day got lost in the shuffle as it combined with Washington’s Birthday (Feb 22) and morphed into ‘Presidents Day.’ So now we’re back to having both days with a different twist.
It didn't "get lost in the shuffle". States didn't want to recognize his birthday as a holiday.
RE: I am soooo glad I never had to work a real 9-5 job  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15736283 Stan in LA said:
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It would drive me nuts.


It might have improved your social skills. No offense, but even online you struggle sometimes in a simple conversation with people.
RE: RE: Retired ... and everyday is a Saturday but it seems to me we’ve come  
section125 : 6/20/2022 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15736306 Matt M. said:
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In comment 15736184 Spider56 said:


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full circle with this holiday. When I was growing up, we celebrated February 12 as Abe Lincoln’s birthday primarily because (amongst other things) he abolished slavery ... and this great deed was the main emphasis of hisremembrance. Then his day got lost in the shuffle as it combined with Washington’s Birthday (Feb 22) and morphed into ‘Presidents Day.’ So now we’re back to having both days with a different twist.

It didn't "get lost in the shuffle". States didn't want to recognize his birthday as a holiday.


Lincoln's B'day was a holiday and I used to get OT on it and as stated above it was merged into President's Day, I think mostly about the time that MLK Day was made a Federal Holiday.

I'm 66. A history fan. Lived in the south since '95. Never heard of this Day until last year. Worked on ships my whole life and probably half the crew was of African American descent and they never said anything about it.
I think it is a great recognition as the "final straw" with the Emancipation Proclamation. Always happy to celebrate events that are significant in history.
RE: RE: RE: Retired ... and everyday is a Saturday but it seems to me we’ve come  
Matt M. : 6/20/2022 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15736316 section125 said:
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In comment 15736306 Matt M. said:


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In comment 15736184 Spider56 said:


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full circle with this holiday. When I was growing up, we celebrated February 12 as Abe Lincoln’s birthday primarily because (amongst other things) he abolished slavery ... and this great deed was the main emphasis of hisremembrance. Then his day got lost in the shuffle as it combined with Washington’s Birthday (Feb 22) and morphed into ‘Presidents Day.’ So now we’re back to having both days with a different twist.

It didn't "get lost in the shuffle". States didn't want to recognize his birthday as a holiday.



Lincoln's B'day was a holiday and I used to get OT on it and as stated above it was merged into President's Day, I think mostly about the time that MLK Day was made a Federal Holiday.

I'm 66. A history fan. Lived in the south since '95. Never heard of this Day until last year. Worked on ships my whole life and probably half the crew was of African American descent and they never said anything about it.
I think it is a great recognition as the "final straw" with the Emancipation Proclamation. Always happy to celebrate events that are significant in history.
I was a history major and never heard of Juneteenth until about 3 years ago. The exception was a passing comment about soldiers moving through the South to liberate slaves and Texas being the last location, or something to that effect. That is more an issue with our curriculum and ignoring a lot of our history,= than anything else.
Unlimited PTO is only a “scam” if you work for a company  
UConn4523 : 6/20/2022 2:51 pm : link
that makes you feel shitty for using it. I’ve worked for several companies that have this policy including my current one and it’s varies greatly. I can take off whenever I want now (can’t abuse it, obviously) compared to being made to feel like shit in my previous company.

The stats are correct that employees use less of it, but that’s typically because of the above - the company doesn’t reinforce their own rule.
RE: RE: I am soooo glad I never had to work a real 9-5 job  
Stan in LA : 6/20/2022 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15736308 pjcas18 said:
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It would drive me nuts.



It might have improved your social skills. No offense, but even online you struggle sometimes in a simple conversation with people.


LOL! I'd trade a few social skills for the immense freedom of not having to deal with all the idiots out there. Not even close.
The irony in that post  
UConn4523 : 6/20/2022 5:13 pm : link
Lol
For what  
Mr. Nickels : 6/20/2022 6:47 pm : link
?
If I had unlimited PTO ....  
short lease : 6/20/2022 8:18 pm : link
I would stay home for years ... and just have them DD my paycheck? - like that "Fight Club"?

What am I missing?

Throw it back in their faces - how can they fire you if "Unlimited" is spelled out in their policies?
RE: If I had unlimited PTO ....  
UConn4523 : 6/20/2022 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15736636 short lease said:
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I would stay home for years ... and just have them DD my paycheck? - like that "Fight Club"?

What am I missing?

Throw it back in their faces - how can they fire you if "Unlimited" is spelled out in their policies?


It’s subject to manager approval. If you have a company that stands by their policy this isn’t an issue. If you have a shitty culture than your manager will control your time off destiny.
RE: I am soooo glad I never had to work a real 9-5 job  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15736283 Stan in LA said:
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It would drive me nuts.


Would have probably made you more relatable to people if you had.
RE: Not this year, but  
armstead98 : 6/20/2022 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15736102 Tom from LI said:
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we have unlimited PTO so for this year we are told we can take it using PTO.

We are super busy so even when I take PTO, I end up working anyway.

I think next year it will be a holiday here.

btw, I think unlimited PTO is a scam.


It is. My company has a generous vacation policy, starting at 20 days per year and you can roll up to 10 over. As you move up you get more too.

Some of the youngsters are pushing for unlimited PTO. I tell them that it’ll be way worse
RE: RE: Not this year, but  
SomeFan : 6/21/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15736664 armstead98 said:
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In comment 15736102 Tom from LI said:


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we have unlimited PTO so for this year we are told we can take it using PTO.

We are super busy so even when I take PTO, I end up working anyway.

I think next year it will be a holiday here.

btw, I think unlimited PTO is a scam.




It is. My company has a generous vacation policy, starting at 20 days per year and you can roll up to 10 over. As you move up you get more too.

Some of the youngsters are pushing for unlimited PTO. I tell them that it’ll be way worse


In the year you retire, you should take the entire year off.
Even in the best of intentions  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2022 1:30 pm : link
unlimited PTO does not mean you can work as little as you choose. It means you can take PTO at your discretion as you are still able to due your job and per agreement with your manager.

Nowhere in any unlimited PTO policy I've seen does it say you can take off unlimited time just at your sole discretion and without consequence.

Wherein lies the issue with many unlimited PTO policies.

Though...if anyone has watched any of the surreptitiously recorded videos of Twitter employees sounds like many of them don't work much. One guy said they work about 4 hours a week.

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Route 9 : 6/21/2022 1:55 pm : link
I don't ever want to retire. As much as I hated work as a teen, I've done a 180 and cannot get enough of human interaction.

I'm gonna be that 71 old fart bitching about bikes and locked doors.
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Route 9 : 6/21/2022 1:57 pm : link
Probably still will be clinging on to memories Mark Messier and Richter.

Loser Rangers LOL
I think 'scam' is too strong a word for unlimited PTO  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/21/2022 2:15 pm : link
Yes, it does have a reverse psychological effect that can (and often does) benefit the employer, but to me, part of that is on the employee to be aware of that effect and take time to figure out what you believe to be a fair/appropriate amount of time off, and ensure that you take that time for yourself.

And working during time that's supposed to be personal time is not limited to organizations with unlimited PTO. Once again, to me, it comes down to the employee building appropriate boundaries. Sometimes emergencies happen and you have to get some work done. Sometimes things can and should wait. If management is pressuring you to not take a reasonable amount of PTO time and/or pressuring you to work during your time off, that's an issue with management and not the policy.
Oh, and yes.  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/21/2022 2:17 pm : link
I have Juneteenth off. First time our company made it an official day off. Last year we were given the opportunity to take it off without using a vacation day if we wanted to. That was a stupid one, IMO.
Yep  
Kmed6000 : 6/21/2022 2:26 pm : link
Great job by the last president acknowledging this important day and bringing it to the forefront. I do not have off, but happy to see such an important date acknowledged.
Back in the day I had an inlaw who worked for US Steel.  
Bubba : 6/21/2022 2:57 pm : link
Back then you can role over your unused vacation and sick days.
He very rarely took time off. He eventually took 1 week off every month for his final 4 years. Needless to say they changed their policy shortly thereafter.
RE: Yep  
GF1080 : 6/21/2022 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15737257 Kmed6000 said:
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Great job by the last president acknowledging this important day and bringing it to the forefront. I do not have off, but happy to see such an important date acknowledged.


Except it was the current president to make it a federal holiday.
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Route 9 : 6/21/2022 3:16 pm : link
Speaking of old farts and riding bikes ...
RE: RE: Yep  
Kmed6000 : 6/21/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15737315 GF1080 said:
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In comment 15737257 Kmed6000 said:


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Great job by the last president acknowledging this important day and bringing it to the forefront. I do not have off, but happy to see such an important date acknowledged.



Except it was the current president to make it a federal holiday.


This is very true, I never said otherwise. I'm a bit of a history buff, so I've studied this extensively....

The previous president brought Juneteenth into the national spotlight and was the first president to suggest that it should be a national holiday. Of course he was just accused of pandering to a specific group for votes, but then this current president signed it into existence just a few months later. So thank you to the previous president for bringing it into the national spotlight I guess?
funny to see certain "acists" mad that they have a day off  
GMAN4LIFE : 6/21/2022 3:22 pm : link
kind of funny to see
has been for 2 years now  
Debaser : 6/21/2022 6:09 pm : link
I also had the day after Turkey day off. It would be interesting to see if they take that away to make up for it. That would really suck if they "need" someone to be there. Being the lest senior person it would definitely be me.
The former dude brought it into the national consciousness  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/21/2022 7:06 pm : link
by planning to hold a rally on that day in Tulsa, OK...the site of one of the worst racial massacres in American history.

I like to think myself as educated, but I must admit I only learned of Juneteenth about 5 or 6 years ago when I was in TX for that day & read an article in the paper about the holiday. They never taught us about that in school.

Texas was the first state to recognize the date by law.
RE: funny to see certain  
Route 9 : 6/21/2022 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15737342 GMAN4LIFE said:
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kind of funny to see


acism is funny to you?

Educate yourself
RE: My company went so far as to brand  
bradshaw44 : 6/22/2022 12:55 am : link
In comment 15736167 pjcas18 said:
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the unlimited PTO policy the "freedom policy"

lol.


but, I will say this, I am fortunate, I don't have much to complain about as far as employment goes. I am well compensated, treated fairly, and I'm not digging ditches. It's basically just the PTO policy I'd change.


So how does that work on the books? Since it’s no longer an accrual how does the company track the liability? Or is it now just reduced to an actual expense when taken? I’ve never really stopped to think about how this is accounted for and the companies true liability to record on the books.
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