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NFT: Mets Minors 6/20/2022-Mostly a snoozer

DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 10:15 am
AAA
Vientos 2-4, BB, K
Dom 0-4, BB, K
Ritter 1-4, BB, K
Palka 1-3
Meyer 0-3, BB, K
Montes de Oca 1 inning 1 hit 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's


AA
Alvarez 1-5, HR, K (yes, another HR for The Troll)
Young 2-5, 3 k's
Baty 1-4
Mauricio 1-4, BB, K, SB, CS
McIIwain 1-4, HR, 2 k's (2nd in the organization in wRC+ amongst player with at least 150 PA's)
Cortes 1-5, K
Nunez 1 inning 1 hit 1 run 2 walks 2 k's


BK
Newton 0-4, 2 k's
Jordan 1-2
Schwartz 2-3, BB, K, SB


St. Lucie
Ramirez 0-3, BB, K, SB
Consuegra 1-3, BB, K, CS
Tillien 0-3, BB
Lugo 0-3, BB, 2 k's
ODLS 1-4, K
Dominguez 1-3, BB, K
Ventura 2.1 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 6 k's (rehab)
David .1 innings 0 hits 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's (his numbers are so unbelievably bad, I can't believe they haven't sent him to the IL to work on his command, this can't be particularly productive... 11.2 innings 24 walks)
Gomez 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 2 k's (One to watch)

Some notes-Andinson Ferrer to begin his career 7.1 innings 5 walks but 17 k's

Grant Hartwig 25.2 innings 22 hits 8 walks 39 k's

HR's have killed him (11 over 49 innings) but Alex Valverde might be worth monitoring as a sleeper. 12.86 K/9 (70 k's leads the organization), 3.89 xFIP, .387 BABIP, relatively young (26 in September)

William Lugo 6'3 215, only 20 years old, (signed thanks to IFA money received for Familia) 119 wRC+, good walk rate... if he grows into some more power....
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RE: Alvarez's 3 run homer  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15736226 Ira said:
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. Link - ( New Window )


Thanks for linking that Ira
lookeing him up and without knowing much the bb rate is encouraging  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 2:41 pm : link
50 walks in about 500ish plate appearances is functional. 135 k's isn't even that bad. Also has 17 hbp's on top of the walks.

37 xbh's is pretty low but 20 steals boosts that.

the career line is pretty decent if he can keep moving through the system and offset the babip losses with positive development.

124g / 480 pa
.809 ops (.275 / .373 / .436)
11 hr, 60 rbis, 20 steals

the babip suggests he's more of a .230-.250 hitter than .275 but that's an area he may also be able to improve. having the solid walk rate is a good start. apparently a very cross functional athlete.
anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 2:44 pm : link
hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy
RE: anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
KevinBBWC : 6/20/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15736352 KDavies said:
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hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy


Looks like he might have pulled something.
RE: RE: anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
moze1021 : 6/20/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15736354 KevinBBWC said:
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hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy



Looks like he might have pulled something.


Yeah he was walking pretty gingerly there after scoring... time to hold your breath
Looking  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 2:47 pm : link
back at the 2020 draft (McIIwain was undrafted), I realize they took 3rd rounder Anthony Walters so they could pay JT Ginn (Walters signed for 20K) but to take a guy and cut him after 35 games, that's a true wasted pick and for comparisons sake Eric Orze (same draft, same bonus) is one of the better RP arms in the system. Austin Faith (also undrafted plus arm, major command issues but still struck out 55 over 41.2 innings last year). 35 games and cut, yeesh
thanks for the info  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 2:48 pm : link
crap. Unable to watch today
.  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 2:49 pm : link
GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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Jeff McNeil is out of the game with an apparent leg injury. #LGM
McNeil's injury did not look serious  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:56 pm : link
more of a tweak

but you never know
thank goodness for guillorme  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 2:57 pm : link
also good job by eppler building depth. might not be a bad idea to get escobar some time back at 2b if McNeil is out for a while just to have another option.

i wonder if there's a 3b in the system they can call up?
RE: Looking  
Mike in NY : 6/20/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15736357 DanMetroMan said:
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back at the 2020 draft (McIIwain was undrafted), I realize they took 3rd rounder Anthony Walters so they could pay JT Ginn (Walters signed for 20K) but to take a guy and cut him after 35 games, that's a true wasted pick and for comparisons sake Eric Orze (same draft, same bonus) is one of the better RP arms in the system. Austin Faith (also undrafted plus arm, major command issues but still struck out 55 over 41.2 innings last year). 35 games and cut, yeesh


Having to tank Walters, Dyer, and Orze to select Ginn was one of the reasons I was against selecting him. I did not think he was substantially ahead of this guy who signed for slot when he was drafted later in the same round.
LINK - ( New Window )
Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:14 pm : link
rooting against him just because he was traded but I missed that Ginn hasn't pitched much thanks to a tight forearm, that's not good.
RE: Not  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15736383 DanMetroMan said:
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rooting against him just because he was traded but I missed that Ginn hasn't pitched much thanks to a tight forearm, that's not good.


pitchers break is the truest saying of all time.

obviously there may be some talents you can't pass up but when you factor in 3-4 years of development time where you need a pitcher to be healthy along with the reality that they need to be healthy once they get to the majors, it's got to be such a lower probability investment than every day players.

with Cohen's $, i think the move is the draft for depth like last year and use the bigger $ on position players. Then buy free agents in UFA.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:49 pm : link
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15736409 DanMetroMan said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.


they mentioned his wife was due to give birth soon i wonder if they can put him on the paternity leave list for a week to create a roster spot?
I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 3:52 pm : link
as well
i guess it doesn't matter with the short DL rules  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:53 pm : link
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A player can be placed on the Major League Paternity Leave List when he leaves his club to attend the birth of his child. The childbirth must be either imminent or have occurred within the previous 48 hours.

A player can be placed on the Paternity Leave List any time during the MLB regular season and post-season.

A player must remain on the Paternity Leave List for at least 24 hours, but no more than 72 hours.
RE: I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15736412 KDavies said:
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as well


i guess it makes sense since the team had a lot of free time last october.
RE: RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15736411 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.



they mentioned his wife was due to give birth soon i wonder if they can put him on the paternity leave list for a week to create a roster spot?


Paternity list is only up to 72 hours.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:59 pm : link
24-72 hours
.  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 4:00 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.
Peterson's  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:03 pm : link
wife is so close to giving birth they weren't sure he'd be able to make the start today.

As for McNeil if he doesn't need to hit the IL, they could sit him Tuesday and Wednesday, have him take paternity leave on Friday-Sunday and come back Tuesday. He'd miss 5 games total.

Tuesday, Wed, Friday, Sat, Sunday and rejoin them Tuesday (no games Thurs/Monday) could call up Vientos on Friday
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15736420 pjcas18 said:
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.


i know he probably cant hit any more but i always liked him.

jdd just got beaned in the hand or fingers but looks like hes staying in.
RE: RE: I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15736414 Eric on Li said:
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as well



i guess it makes sense since the team had a lot of free time last october.


lol
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15736420 pjcas18 said:
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.


Yankees released him the other day. Didn't make it back to the bigs with the Reds or Yankees and there is this...


"He’s hit .200/.267/.277 in 220 plate appearances at the major league level since the start of 2020."


but zero downside
That  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:07 pm : link
stat is actually being kind. 80 OPS+ since 2018
amazingly he's only 31 years old  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:08 pm : link
he was a guy i wanted them to get for wheeler when it looked like they were dumping him at that deadline. not my best call. loved his defense but it looks like it's graded mediocre at best the last several years. weird fall off since he's not too old.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:15 pm : link
, Inciarte's glove also has also fallen off considerably. 2018 an incredible 16 DRS, 21 OAA in CF (155 games). Since that time -1 DRS, +5 OAA (137 games in CF).

At this time they don't really need a black hole OF who is passable in CF ala Albert Almora from last year. They have very little OF depth (Plummer, Lee, Palka who can't really play out there etc) so I expect them to cycle a bunch of these types through. Daniel Johnson was a valid attempt but he's been laughably bad.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15736436 DanMetroMan said:
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, Inciarte's glove also has also fallen off considerably. 2018 an incredible 16 DRS, 21 OAA in CF (155 games). Since that time -1 DRS, +5 OAA (137 games in CF).

At this time they don't really need a black hole OF who is passable in CF ala Albert Almora from last year. They have very little OF depth (Plummer, Lee, Palka who can't really play out there etc) so I expect them to cycle a bunch of these types through. Daniel Johnson was a valid attempt but he's been laughably bad.


very bizarre to see such a defensive fall off, but it looks like he's been at least playable in CF. hard to see him being a better call up option than mangum but like you said, depth.
Dom Smith just arrived at Citi....getting hugs in the dugout  
GiantBlue : 6/20/2022 4:29 pm : link
I saw the replays on McNeil and it seems like he felt a twinge....didn't seem pleased walking down the dugout....but let's hope it is just something to ice and won't be an IL stint.
Great W  
moze1021 : 6/20/2022 4:34 pm : link
Let's go get 1 of 2 from Astros
after the Astros  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 4:41 pm : link
pretty favorable schedule coming up. 3 more vs the Marlins, 2 more vs the Astros, 3 vs. Rangers, 3 more vs the Reds, and then 4 more vs. the Marlins before going to ATL for 3
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:43 pm : link
like Mangum got hurt again (re-injured?) I missed that.
McNeil  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:54 pm : link
"day to day" per Buck
RE: .  
TJ : 6/20/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15736075 DanMetroMan said:
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Mike Puma
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Max Scherzer will pitch for Binghamton tomorrow, throwing to James McCann, in a rehab start.

Binghamton Mets box seats available between home & third just a few rows up I think I'll go see this.
,  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 5:08 pm : link
Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
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Inciarte will earn $1.1 million if he reaches the Majors with the Mets, per source.
They  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 5:12 pm : link
really should consider bringing up Vientos and using him smartly. Mostly DH, some 1b, a good SP/lineup matchup to give him a little time at 3b, OPS is over 1.100 vs. lefties so let him see a bunch of lefties and pull him late for defense if need be.
Williams is pitching tomorrow  
Optimus-NY : 6/20/2022 5:23 pm : link
Who is going for the Stros tomorrow?
Astros  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 5:26 pm : link
have Urquidy and Garcia going
RE: Astros  
Optimus-NY : 6/20/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15736495 DanMetroMan said:
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have Urquidy and Garcia going


Thanks Dan!!

José Urquidy's stats
Luis Garcia's stats

Trevor Williams's stats
Cookies Carrasco's stats


Mets and their opponents' probable pitchers for June 20th till June 24th - ( New Window )
We've got Alcantara pitching against our guys on the 24th.  
Optimus-NY : 6/20/2022 5:55 pm : link
Shit. I hope to come out of Houston with a split. I'm already resigned to a loss against Alcantara on the 24th. I'm guessing Bassitt goes that day too.
RE: We've got Alcantara pitching against our guys on the 24th.  
Mike in NY : 6/20/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15736507 Optimus-NY said:
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Shit. I hope to come out of Houston with a split. I'm already resigned to a loss against Alcantara on the 24th. I'm guessing Bassitt goes that day too.


You skipped Walker
Scherzer  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 6:58 pm : link
Targeting 6/28 against Houston at Citi
Frankly, I am not nervous about any opposing pitcher  
GiantBlue : 6/20/2022 8:09 pm : link
with this team. Completely different under Buck and Chavez. More patient, willing to hit against the shift, trying to get extra runs with smarts vs. just waiting for Alonzo to hit a HR.

Let's take two in Houston!!!!

Yordan might not be available for them as well.
For all the crap people give Peterson...  
moze1021 : 6/20/2022 8:17 pm : link
Dude is 4-1 with a 3.18 ERA

Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter
RE: For all the crap people give Peterson...  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15736634 moze1021 said:
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Dude is 4-1 with a 3.18 ERA

Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter


yup. 50%+ ground ball rate and giving up very few homers, basically finding a way to pitch to weak contact even if he's not getting a lot of strikeouts and giving up a few too many walks.

most of his numbers are similar to 2020 so i do expect him to maybe have some negative regression with the homers, but on the whole he's standing up numbers we probably thought were a little inflated by a really low babip. he may just be a guy who out pitches his FIP with weak contact.
RE: For all the crap people give Peterson...  
dannysection 313 : 6/20/2022 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15736634 moze1021 said:
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Dude is 4-1 with a 3.18 ERA

Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter


Agreed and if he can somehow gain better command (perhaps just trust his stuff) and pound the strike zone, he can win at this level....reminds me of S. Matz

Sometimes, lefties are able to hang around the majors and then find it a few years in; Ollie Perez comes to mind though he's more of an example of a leftie who managed to last forever.
speaking of matz what a bullet dodged  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 9:08 pm : link
his peripherals look better than the results but a 6 era and giving up a ton of homers. 2 per 9 is not as bad as his 4 per 9 in 2020 but it's pretty bad.
1.74 GB/FB  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 9:41 pm : link
That's a very good ratio. His sinker and change are hit on the ground a lot. He is also throwing both about 1 mph faster. I think that is helping him.

If he can ever feel confident in his CB(5%) and throw it maybe 2-3 times as often, he will surprise a lot of people
pretty impressive given the bad start for vientos  
Eric on Li : 6/21/2022 10:31 am : link
mets have players on 3 of 4 lists (nobody in A+) and on a quick glance it looks like they are the only org to have that.

Matt Eddy
@MattEddyBA
Triple-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 22U

134 Luis Garcia WSN
127 Ji-hwan Bae PIT
121 Mark Vientos NYM
114 Miguel Vargas LAD
99 Eguy Rosario SD
85 Brice Turang MIL
76 Oswald Peraza NYY
61 Heliot Ramos SF

Matt Eddy @MattEddyBA
7m
Double-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 21U

180 Gunnar Henderson BAL
170 Corbin Carroll ARI
161 Ezequiel Tovar COL
151 George Valera CLE
151 Francisco Alvarez NYM
149 Curtis Mead TB
136 Jordan Walker STL
129 Michael Harris II ATL
126 Jordan Diaz OAK
118 Andy Pages LAD

Matt Eddy @MattEddyBA
9m
High-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 20U

158 Elly De La Cruz CIN
151 Colt Keith DET
148 Robert Hassell III SD
148 Marco Luciano SF
137 Angel Martinez CLE
133 Drew Romo COL
132 Zac Veen COL
122 Bryan Ramos CHW
116 Jhonkensy Noel CLE
110 Thomas Saggese TEX

Low-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 19U

198 Emmanuel Rodriguez MIN
179 Jackson Chourio MIL
152 Gabriel Martinez TOR
146 Hao Yu Lee PHI
146 Alejandro Osuna TEX
146 Carson Williams TB
142 Kevin Alcantara CHC
134 Alex Ramirez NYM
133 Edgar Quero LAA
132 Jasson Dominguez NYY
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