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NFT: Mets Minors 6/20/2022-Mostly a snoozer

DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 10:15 am
AAA
Vientos 2-4, BB, K
Dom 0-4, BB, K
Ritter 1-4, BB, K
Palka 1-3
Meyer 0-3, BB, K
Montes de Oca 1 inning 1 hit 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's


AA
Alvarez 1-5, HR, K (yes, another HR for The Troll)
Young 2-5, 3 k's
Baty 1-4
Mauricio 1-4, BB, K, SB, CS
McIIwain 1-4, HR, 2 k's (2nd in the organization in wRC+ amongst player with at least 150 PA's)
Cortes 1-5, K
Nunez 1 inning 1 hit 1 run 2 walks 2 k's


BK
Newton 0-4, 2 k's
Jordan 1-2
Schwartz 2-3, BB, K, SB


St. Lucie
Ramirez 0-3, BB, K, SB
Consuegra 1-3, BB, K, CS
Tillien 0-3, BB
Lugo 0-3, BB, 2 k's
ODLS 1-4, K
Dominguez 1-3, BB, K
Ventura 2.1 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 6 k's (rehab)
David .1 innings 0 hits 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's (his numbers are so unbelievably bad, I can't believe they haven't sent him to the IL to work on his command, this can't be particularly productive... 11.2 innings 24 walks)
Gomez 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 2 k's (One to watch)

Some notes-Andinson Ferrer to begin his career 7.1 innings 5 walks but 17 k's

Grant Hartwig 25.2 innings 22 hits 8 walks 39 k's

HR's have killed him (11 over 49 innings) but Alex Valverde might be worth monitoring as a sleeper. 12.86 K/9 (70 k's leads the organization), 3.89 xFIP, .387 BABIP, relatively young (26 in September)

William Lugo 6'3 215, only 20 years old, (signed thanks to IFA money received for Familia) 119 wRC+, good walk rate... if he grows into some more power....
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 10:48 am : link
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Max Scherzer will pitch for Binghamton tomorrow, throwing to James McCann, in a rehab start.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15736075 DanMetroMan said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Max Scherzer will pitch for Binghamton tomorrow, throwing to James McCann, in a rehab start.


well that's some very good news.
we've seen Vientos power numbers compared to Alonso  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 10:50 am : link
Alvarez in age 19 and 20 seasons: 155 games and 39 HR

Alonso age 23 season: 132 games and 36 HR
I read if his rehab  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 10:50 am : link
start goes well the Mets are considering starting Scherzer Sunday.
Scherzer is in play  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 10:51 am : link
to start Sunday vs. Marlins
RE: we've seen Vientos power numbers compared to Alonso  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 10:52 am : link
In comment 15736079 KDavies said:
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Alvarez in age 19 and 20 seasons: 155 games and 39 HR

Alonso age 23 season: 132 games and 36 HR


the mets have had a great decade of homegrown prospects and alvarez is a level above all of them. freakishly exciting prospect.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:01 am : link
to belabor the David point but....He's walked 18 over his last 6.2 innings... that's not a typo.
RE: RE: we've seen Vientos power numbers compared to Alonso  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 11:08 am : link
In comment 15736083 Eric on Li said:
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Alvarez in age 19 and 20 seasons: 155 games and 39 HR

Alonso age 23 season: 132 games and 36 HR



the mets have had a great decade of homegrown prospects and alvarez is a level above all of them. freakishly exciting prospect.


I was hoping Vientos would be able to find a position he could play adequately, so that Alvarez could DH and be in the lineup when not catching, and Vientos could be in the lineup as well.
Doesn't  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:10 am : link
look like there are high odds that you'll see many lineups of Alonso/Vientos/Alvarez together unless Alvarez is catching.
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KDavies : 6/20/2022 11:13 am : link
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look like there are high odds that you'll see many lineups of Alonso/Vientos/Alvarez together unless Alvarez is catching.


Nope, which is disappointing.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:24 am : link
He's old for the DSL (21 in November) and the SSS is ridiculously small but Luis Castillo with a silly slash line... .353/.621/.588 through 9 games
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:26 am : link
Howard Bryant, after losing game 7 to Atl in 1999, members of the Mets cried in the clubhouse. Don't know how common that is but that was my favorite Mets team.
Alvarez hitting at C is too big of a possible adv to forgo entirely  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 11:30 am : link
so the only question is how much does he catch? I'd target 50% once he becomes a regular but what he's ready for right now, who knows? I agree if he comes up late in the year it's likely as a DH, and only after showing a lot of polish in AAA for 4-6 weeks.

Vientos has played mostly 3b this year so it wouldn't surprise me to see him get a game or 2 per week there whenever he reaches the big leagues. Or about what they are giving JDD. But in the future it's not inconceivable they give him 1 day a week at first and 1 day a week at 3b to free up some DH time for Alonso and Alvarez.

just for ease of counting, let's say there are 6 games in a week:

Alonso = 5 at 1b, 1 at DH
Alvarez = 3 at C, 2 at DH
Vientos = 3 at DH, 1 at 1b, 1 at 3b

over a 26 week season alonso would play 156 games with the other 2 playing 130 games.

of course there's 0 chance that would hold up all year but that's baseball, there will be injuries and players will rotate. Some weeks maybe Alvarez gets extra games at C or Vientos an extended run at 3b.
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pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 11:33 am : link
In comment 15736117 DanMetroMan said:
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Howard Bryant, after losing game 7 to Atl in 1999, members of the Mets cried in the clubhouse. Don't know how common that is but that was my favorite Mets team.


what is the point of this? I wouldn't be surprised if there are tears after every game 7 loss at any age.
Why would Alvarez only  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 11:34 am : link
catch 50% of the time instead of say 4 or 5 days out of 6?

If there was a DH when Piazza played is that what he would have done?
Simon  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:37 am : link
Juan 0-1 (he's been disappointing so far, of course he's very young but generally speaking the big bonus guys who have developed have hit the ground running or have even skipped the DSL completely. This doesn't mean he won't be good, just worth noting)

Sarmiento 1-1 with his 6th steal, .995 OPS with 6 steals over his first 30 pro ab's

Franklin Gomez (16 years old) 2 perfect innings 3 k's
RE: Why would Alvarez only  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15736131 pjcas18 said:
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catch 50% of the time instead of say 4 or 5 days out of 6?

If there was a DH when Piazza played is that what he would have done?


imo yes. the most games piazza ever played as a met were 141. his 4 prime years were basically between 135 and 141.

i dont know what the exact right balance would have been but i'd guess if they had DH it would have been no more than 100 catching / 60 DH. but since he wasn't the greatest defensive maybe they'd have done 80 / 80, but that probably depends on how good of a backup catcher they could find.
RE: RE: Per  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15736128 pjcas18 said:
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Howard Bryant, after losing game 7 to Atl in 1999, members of the Mets cried in the clubhouse. Don't know how common that is but that was my favorite Mets team.



what is the point of this? I wouldn't be surprised if there are tears after every game 7 loss at any age.


What is the point of this? He wasn't knocking the Mets but he reported it was unusual based on his experience as a writer in the clubhouse after games in contrast to some players (namely Henderson/Bonilla playing cards).
Simon  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:42 am : link
Juan 0-2
yeah, no way was Alvarez not being a C an option  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 11:43 am : link
PJ - Eric and I had talked in the past about how we would do a catcher with Alvarez' hitting ability about 50% C, 50% DH. Less wear/tear and keeps the bat in the lineup

Yeah, Vientos is looking like a JD Davis type defensively. Mets will have to pick their spots. Obviously, in the playoffs, Alvarez will be catching full-time and Vientos at DH, unless he shows more defensively.

I was always against the universal DH, but selfishly glad the Mets have it with the personnel they have.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:48 am : link
Sarmiento adds another hit. 2-2. 4 multi-hit games over his first 8+ played (6 walks as well) signed for a $700,000 bonus this past January
yup also remember these guys aren't even used to playing 100+ games  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 11:49 am : link
Vientos played 111 in 2019 and 83 last year.
Alvarez played 84 last year and that was his most. 56 so far this year so on pace for let's say 120-130?

on a competitive roster like this one there's no reason to throw them into the deep end.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:51 am : link
Sebastian Castro (repeating the DSL, but also only 17) 1-2, 3B (6 extra base hits over 28 ab's) OPS up to .933
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KDavies : 6/20/2022 11:51 am : link
In comment 15736149 DanMetroMan said:
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Sarmiento adds another hit. 2-2. 4 multi-hit games over his first 8+ played (6 walks as well) signed for a $700,000 bonus this past January


If I recall correctly, his strength was defense as well.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15736154 KDavies said:
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Sarmiento adds another hit. 2-2. 4 multi-hit games over his first 8+ played (6 walks as well) signed for a $700,000 bonus this past January



If I recall correctly, his strength was defense as well.


He's (again 16 and 17 year olds and me mostly reading reports or in some cases speaking to people) not regarded as having any standout tools but a sum of parts type who is projectable (already 6'2 when they signed him).
RE: Alvarez hitting at C is too big of a possible adv to forgo entirely  
81_Great_Dane : 6/20/2022 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15736122 Eric on Li said:
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so the only question is how much does he catch? I'd target 50% once he becomes a regular but what he's ready for right now, who knows? I agree if he comes up late in the year it's likely as a DH, and only after showing a lot of polish in AAA for 4-6 weeks.

Vientos has played mostly 3b this year so it wouldn't surprise me to see him get a game or 2 per week there whenever he reaches the big leagues. Or about what they are giving JDD. But in the future it's not inconceivable they give him 1 day a week at first and 1 day a week at 3b to free up some DH time for Alonso and Alvarez.

just for ease of counting, let's say there are 6 games in a week:

Alonso = 5 at 1b, 1 at DH
Alvarez = 3 at C, 2 at DH
Vientos = 3 at DH, 1 at 1b, 1 at 3b

over a 26 week season alonso would play 156 games with the other 2 playing 130 games.

of course there's 0 chance that would hold up all year but that's baseball, there will be injuries and players will rotate. Some weeks maybe Alvarez gets extra games at C or Vientos an extended run at 3b.
I think Vientos is more valuable in a trade. Though if he could take J.D. Davis's spot, that could work.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:01 pm : link
Eddy just told me Sarmiento could eventually have multiple plus tools, some teams weren't as high on him as the Mets were but plus arm and a good runner. 700K isn't a huge bonus nowadays but it's enough to believe the Mets like him pretty significantly.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:04 pm : link
A bit old for the league (21 in December) but
Jorge Rodriguez has 8 k's through 3 innings for DSL Mets 2 #Mets
im not trading a prospect with the kind of upside in vientos' bat  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 12:11 pm : link
under pretty much any circumstance. very few have the combo of power + solid contact/walk rate. if both of those translate it's an MVP level bat regardless of defense, like Alonso.

Vientos and Alvarez as hitters are both probably in the top handful of prospects AA+. The main thing that sets Alvarez apart is that he plays C and apparently has tools to stick there.

here's the last 129 games for Vientos at AA/AAA:

.270 / .348 / .550
36 homers
26 2b/3b
94 rbis

in his final season in the minors Alonso hit 36 homers in 132 games with a .285 BA but a chunk of that was vegas/pcl. And as KD mentioned he was a full year older at 23. unless a CY level starter with control is coming back im not giving up a prospect with Vientos' upside this close to the big leagues. it's high enough that even if he's only a DH it will play.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:14 pm : link
Far from a scout but Rodriguez looks like a mature guy feasting on young hitters. Upper 80's FB, breaker in the dirt. Has thrown a few decent sliders but stuff isn't noteworthy (he DOES have 9 k's)
Dom  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:26 pm : link
recalled, Lugo on paternity leave
RE: Dom  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15736187 DanMetroMan said:
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recalled, Lugo on paternity leave


so is palka not going to be activated?
or did they choose 2 hitters not hitting as well as vientos in the last month over him?
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Snablats : 6/20/2022 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15736139 DanMetroMan said:
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Howard Bryant, after losing game 7 to Atl in 1999, members of the Mets cried in the clubhouse. Don't know how common that is but that was my favorite Mets team.



what is the point of this? I wouldn't be surprised if there are tears after every game 7 loss at any age.



What is the point of this? He wasn't knocking the Mets but he reported it was unusual based on his experience as a writer in the clubhouse after games in contrast to some players (namely Henderson/Bonilla playing cards).

There was no Game 7. The Mets lost in 6
Snablats  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:40 pm : link
you knew exactly what I meant
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:40 pm : link
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recalled, Lugo on paternity leave



so is palka not going to be activated?
or did they choose 2 hitters not hitting as well as vientos in the last month over him?


Palka isn't on the 40 man, Dom is.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:41 pm : link
"The Mets have summoned outfielder Daniel Palka from Triple-A Syracuse, but are not yet sure if they will activate him for Monday afternoon’s game against the Miami Marlins, according a source." so he's with the team but not activated
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:43 pm : link
Jorge Rodriguez 4 innings 1 hit 11 k's. I'd love to be proven wrong but the FB topped off at 90, slider mostly buried in the dirt. I have no clue what scouts think of him but meh vs. the actual line

Not sure who this is pitching, the feed doesn't list names today and #26 isn't listed on the DSL2 roster **Visually only** #26 reminds me of Johan. FB up to 90, slider with some decent break but some of have been NOWHERE near the zone (to the back stop twice)
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:46 pm : link
sounds like it was Dom OR Palka, not both. Opted for Dom.
The  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:55 pm : link
pitchers name is Richard Cardoza and not surprisingly he's from VZ, like Johan.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 12:58 pm : link
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sounds like it was Dom OR Palka, not both. Opted for Dom.


weird that it seems they are going out of their way to note promote vientos. im sure they have their reasons but i personally don't get it. vientos performance has been better than both and the entire point with dom was getting him every day action. probably en route to facilitating a trade.

im sure there's some rationale like "they want to see him lay off the outside breaking ball" or whatever but at the end of the day he has almost as many homers in the last year as Dom has in 400+ MLB games with a higher walk rate and BA. he's having the better season and there's not a stat i see that doesn't indicate higher upside to '95 or walk'. if dom was coming up to play 1b every day it would be a different story but given this is likely for DH at bats i dont get it.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 12:59 pm : link
Just over 4 weeks away from the deadline for the MLBPA/MLB owners to agree on an IFA draft, otherwise the QO will remain in place/be reinstated for the 2023 off-season
Alvarez's 3 run homer  
Ira : 6/20/2022 1:07 pm : link
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:10 pm : link
Still feels like Baty has been somewhat underwhelming vs. 2022 expectations and yet he's still tied for 5th in the organization in wRC+ (150+ PA's). Obviously, you'd like to see more power (14th in ISO)

Vientos is 9th in wRC+ (remember, his first month was horrendous) and 3rd in ISO)

Mauricio 15th and 5th

Alvarez 1st and 1st
RE: im not trading a prospect with the kind of upside in vientos' bat  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15736176 Eric on Li said:
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under pretty much any circumstance. very few have the combo of power + solid contact/walk rate. if both of those translate it's an MVP level bat regardless of defense, like Alonso.

Vientos and Alvarez as hitters are both probably in the top handful of prospects AA+. The main thing that sets Alvarez apart is that he plays C and apparently has tools to stick there.

here's the last 129 games for Vientos at AA/AAA:

.270 / .348 / .550
36 homers
26 2b/3b
94 rbis

in his final season in the minors Alonso hit 36 homers in 132 games with a .285 BA but a chunk of that was vegas/pcl. And as KD mentioned he was a full year older at 23. unless a CY level starter with control is coming back im not giving up a prospect with Vientos' upside this close to the big leagues. it's high enough that even if he's only a DH it will play.


Agreed 100%. I'd go so far to say, if I was in trade talks with a team for a premium player, and they gave me an option of dealing Vientos or Baty, I'd have a tough time deciding.
RE: RE: im not trading a prospect with the kind of upside in vientos' bat  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:18 pm : link
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Agreed 100%. I'd go so far to say, if I was in trade talks with a team for a premium player, and they gave me an option of dealing Vientos or Baty, I'd have a tough time deciding.


that's why mauricio is likely the odd man out, not that he's much easier to trade. and PCA when injured last year.

and ramirez is getting close to the same level of "hurt" if they dealt him too.

all why it's so annoying they didn't spend on a back end BP option in the offseason and now need to trade for one.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:20 pm : link
19 year old Calvin Ziegler leads the organization (20 or more innings) in K/9 14.52
to make Eric even more mad...  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 1:22 pm : link
Red Sox called up Jeter Downs. Hitting .180 with an OPS under .700. Kike and Arroyo are injured, but still. I wonder if they had 40 man roster issues and needed the MI depth
RE: RE: RE: im not trading a prospect with the kind of upside in vientos' bat  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15736243 Eric on Li said:
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Agreed 100%. I'd go so far to say, if I was in trade talks with a team for a premium player, and they gave me an option of dealing Vientos or Baty, I'd have a tough time deciding.



that's why mauricio is likely the odd man out, not that he's much easier to trade. and PCA when injured last year.

and ramirez is getting close to the same level of "hurt" if they dealt him too.

all why it's so annoying they didn't spend on a back end BP option in the offseason and now need to trade for one.


At least Mauricio could possibly play the OF.

I'm disappointed by Vientos looking like he may be mostly a DH. There are other reasons besides having Alvarez catching more. Look at the Phillies when Harper couldn't play the field. They had to have Schwarber playing out there.

That said, Vientos is not a player to trade either. His trade value would be down because he looks like a primarily DH player, and he's a player who if he reaches his potential has a bat that could rival Alonso's
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:28 pm : link
Simon Juan finished 0/4 with a K, Sarmiento 3-3, 2b, SB, CS
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:30 pm : link
honestly very surprised they haven't given Mauricio 1 game per week in the OF. He's on the 40 man roster, there are situations where they either would need to potentially lose a player or call him him. It would be less than ideal but to know if he's even marginally passable out there would make sense and if they don't see a scenario where they would happen, then why not giving him some reps out there to begin the process?
bad defensive players can improve and still produce value  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:30 pm : link
murphy is a good example in that he was never good defensively but he made himself more playable. with the DH an option the bar is that much lower to just have a little versatility.

with 5 weeks until the deadline though and a lineup that could use another bat i don't understand not seeing what he can do. worst case you make a trade and send him back down.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15736265 DanMetroMan said:
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honestly very surprised they haven't given Mauricio 1 game per week in the OF. He's on the 40 man roster, there are situations where they either would need to potentially lose a player or call him him. It would be less than ideal but to know if he's even marginally passable out there would make sense and if they don't see a scenario where they would happen, then why not giving him some reps out there to begin the process?


this isn't justification because i agree but there are 2 potential negatives i can think of:

1. giving him a new position to learn is an extra new thing that could bring with him to the plate.

2. they may think his trade value is highest showing he can play short stop.

if his offense starts picking up and the deadline passes, both factors are mitigated so if he's still here i think we could see him get some action out there in august.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:35 pm : link
I understand that but they have given Baty time in the OF and were doing the same with Vientos until they decided to pull the plug. Baty isn't on the 40 man aka extremely, extremely unlikely he'd join the team this year but Mauricio and Vientos are. Trade value and player development are very important but to not be able to say "less than ideal but we can throw him out there for a week while Canha is on paternity leave" seems somewhat short sighted. Is his trade value/development really taking a hit if he plays 1 game in the OF per week for the next 4 weeks? aka 4-5 appearances? I find that very, very hard to believe.
great call on canha dan  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:36 pm : link
i love his game. watching him vs. conforto is such an interesting comparison of 1 guy who made louder contact but more inconsistently and another guy who just takes much more consistent ABs. factoring in price canha was obviously the right call.
Canha  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:38 pm : link
has always reminded me of a player who would have been on the Jeter-era Yankees. Even more so watching him every day. That was a true no-brainer signing. Even if he ended up a "player in decline" the contract still would have made sense.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15736273 DanMetroMan said:
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I understand that but they have given Baty time in the OF and were doing the same with Vientos until they decided to pull the plug. Baty isn't on the 40 man aka extremely, extremely unlikely he'd join the team this year but Mauricio and Vientos are. Trade value and player development are very important but to not be able to say "less than ideal but we can throw him out there for a week while Canha is on paternity leave" seems somewhat short sighted. Is his trade value/development really taking a hit if he plays 1 game in the OF per week for the next 4 weeks? aka 4-5 appearances? I find that very, very hard to believe.


i think the more likely reason is that unlike those other guys he still has a lot of development offensively. Vientos and Baty each have pretty advanced approaches offensively.

keeping him at SS and not having to learn a new position is 1 less thing. i can see them thinking to get the bat going first and then figure the position out later.
disappointing to come out of the 1st with just the 1 run  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 1:39 pm : link
but Rogers is really struggling this year. 2.64 ERA last year to almost 6 this year. Having some control issues.
RE: Canha  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:41 pm : link
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has always reminded me of a player who would have been on the Jeter-era Yankees. Even more so watching him every day. That was a true no-brainer signing. Even if he ended up a "player in decline" the contract still would have made sense.


he's very paul oneil. there was a great article on the athletic re oneil a month or so ago talking about the subway series and his AB vs. benitez and it was super interesting bc he claimed he knew he had no chance of getting a hit vs. benitez so he was just trying to foul balls off to draw a walk.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:42 pm : link
wonder what they would have to include with Dom to get both Bard and Kinley.
RE: disappointing to come out of the 1st with just the 1 run  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:42 pm : link
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but Rogers is really struggling this year. 2.64 ERA last year to almost 6 this year. Having some control issues.


agreed off the bat i thought mcneil had 3 rbis but they had the LF positioned well i guess.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:43 pm : link
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wonder what they would have to include with Dom to get both Bard and Kinley.


i think kinley got hurt.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:44 pm : link
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wonder what they would have to include with Dom to get both Bard and Kinley.



i think kinley got hurt.


Missed that. Thanks. Well, I'd happily take Bard
The  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:45 pm : link
Mets actually briefly had Bard in the organization (2017).
wow hell of a clutch pitch by peterson there  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:47 pm : link
perfect pitch. needs to get williams here now.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:47 pm : link
Probably the end of a very good career for Romo (he's 39 and has been horrendous in 2022) but a minor league deal "why not?" wouldn't be the worst idea. Gave Oakland 61.2 quality innings last season
that's a really strong shut down inning from peterson  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:49 pm : link
gave up a couple weak hits, defense can't turn a DP, then comes back with 2 good Ks. through the order once with 30 pitches.
always liked Canha with Oakland  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 1:49 pm : link
just a professional hitter. Him, Marte, and Escobar are a nice group of signings. When Marte is out, I like Canha at #2. Nimmo and Canha are a couple of headaches for pitchers before getting to the heart of the order.
RE: always liked Canha with Oakland  
Shecky : 6/20/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15736295 KDavies said:
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just a professional hitter. Him, Marte, and Escobar are a nice group of signings. When Marte is out, I like Canha at #2. Nimmo and Canha are a couple of headaches for pitchers before getting to the heart of the order.


Strange things happen when you replace a third of the lineup, huh?
Brandon McIlwain  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:11 pm : link
Just wondering what you guys think

He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.

So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.



RE: Brandon McIlwain  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15736315 Vanzetti said:
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Just wondering what you guys think

He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.

So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.




Premium athlete. Law is of the belief he's simply missed too much development time to really reach what his projected/potential ceiling was. Forget not really concentrating on baseball, he basically didn't play (127 total ab's not including summer league) and that's at 2 different stops. I've been pumping him up for a while now bit it IS worth noting his BABIP is ridiculous (it was over .400 as of a few days ago). At the very least, he was a nice "free" pickup and we'll see where it goes.
RE: RE: Brandon McIlwain  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15736322 DanMetroMan said:
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Just wondering what you guys think

He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.

So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.






Premium athlete. Law is of the belief he's simply missed too much development time to really reach what his projected/potential ceiling was. Forget not really concentrating on baseball, he basically didn't play (127 total ab's not including summer league) and that's at 2 different stops. I've been pumping him up for a while now bit it IS worth noting his BABIP is ridiculous (it was over .400 as of a few days ago). At the very least, he was a nice "free" pickup and we'll see where it goes.


Interesting about Law.

On the other hand, you could say the guy has played so little and despite that is already at AA and off to a good start.

RE: Alvarez's 3 run homer  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15736226 Ira said:
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. Link - ( New Window )


Thanks for linking that Ira
lookeing him up and without knowing much the bb rate is encouraging  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 2:41 pm : link
50 walks in about 500ish plate appearances is functional. 135 k's isn't even that bad. Also has 17 hbp's on top of the walks.

37 xbh's is pretty low but 20 steals boosts that.

the career line is pretty decent if he can keep moving through the system and offset the babip losses with positive development.

124g / 480 pa
.809 ops (.275 / .373 / .436)
11 hr, 60 rbis, 20 steals

the babip suggests he's more of a .230-.250 hitter than .275 but that's an area he may also be able to improve. having the solid walk rate is a good start. apparently a very cross functional athlete.
anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 2:44 pm : link
hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy
RE: anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
KevinBBWC : 6/20/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15736352 KDavies said:
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hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy


Looks like he might have pulled something.
RE: RE: anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
moze1021 : 6/20/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15736354 KevinBBWC said:
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hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy



Looks like he might have pulled something.


Yeah he was walking pretty gingerly there after scoring... time to hold your breath
Looking  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 2:47 pm : link
back at the 2020 draft (McIIwain was undrafted), I realize they took 3rd rounder Anthony Walters so they could pay JT Ginn (Walters signed for 20K) but to take a guy and cut him after 35 games, that's a true wasted pick and for comparisons sake Eric Orze (same draft, same bonus) is one of the better RP arms in the system. Austin Faith (also undrafted plus arm, major command issues but still struck out 55 over 41.2 innings last year). 35 games and cut, yeesh
thanks for the info  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 2:48 pm : link
crap. Unable to watch today
.  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 2:49 pm : link
GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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Jeff McNeil is out of the game with an apparent leg injury. #LGM
McNeil's injury did not look serious  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:56 pm : link
more of a tweak

but you never know
thank goodness for guillorme  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 2:57 pm : link
also good job by eppler building depth. might not be a bad idea to get escobar some time back at 2b if McNeil is out for a while just to have another option.

i wonder if there's a 3b in the system they can call up?
RE: Looking  
Mike in NY : 6/20/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15736357 DanMetroMan said:
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back at the 2020 draft (McIIwain was undrafted), I realize they took 3rd rounder Anthony Walters so they could pay JT Ginn (Walters signed for 20K) but to take a guy and cut him after 35 games, that's a true wasted pick and for comparisons sake Eric Orze (same draft, same bonus) is one of the better RP arms in the system. Austin Faith (also undrafted plus arm, major command issues but still struck out 55 over 41.2 innings last year). 35 games and cut, yeesh


Having to tank Walters, Dyer, and Orze to select Ginn was one of the reasons I was against selecting him. I did not think he was substantially ahead of this guy who signed for slot when he was drafted later in the same round.
LINK - ( New Window )
Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:14 pm : link
rooting against him just because he was traded but I missed that Ginn hasn't pitched much thanks to a tight forearm, that's not good.
RE: Not  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15736383 DanMetroMan said:
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rooting against him just because he was traded but I missed that Ginn hasn't pitched much thanks to a tight forearm, that's not good.


pitchers break is the truest saying of all time.

obviously there may be some talents you can't pass up but when you factor in 3-4 years of development time where you need a pitcher to be healthy along with the reality that they need to be healthy once they get to the majors, it's got to be such a lower probability investment than every day players.

with Cohen's $, i think the move is the draft for depth like last year and use the bigger $ on position players. Then buy free agents in UFA.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:49 pm : link
Mike Puma
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15736409 DanMetroMan said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.


they mentioned his wife was due to give birth soon i wonder if they can put him on the paternity leave list for a week to create a roster spot?
I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 3:52 pm : link
as well
i guess it doesn't matter with the short DL rules  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:53 pm : link
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A player can be placed on the Major League Paternity Leave List when he leaves his club to attend the birth of his child. The childbirth must be either imminent or have occurred within the previous 48 hours.

A player can be placed on the Paternity Leave List any time during the MLB regular season and post-season.

A player must remain on the Paternity Leave List for at least 24 hours, but no more than 72 hours.
RE: I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15736412 KDavies said:
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as well


i guess it makes sense since the team had a lot of free time last october.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15736411 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.



they mentioned his wife was due to give birth soon i wonder if they can put him on the paternity leave list for a week to create a roster spot?


Paternity list is only up to 72 hours.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:59 pm : link
24-72 hours
.  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 4:00 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.
Peterson's  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:03 pm : link
wife is so close to giving birth they weren't sure he'd be able to make the start today.

As for McNeil if he doesn't need to hit the IL, they could sit him Tuesday and Wednesday, have him take paternity leave on Friday-Sunday and come back Tuesday. He'd miss 5 games total.

Tuesday, Wed, Friday, Sat, Sunday and rejoin them Tuesday (no games Thurs/Monday) could call up Vientos on Friday
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15736420 pjcas18 said:
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.


i know he probably cant hit any more but i always liked him.

jdd just got beaned in the hand or fingers but looks like hes staying in.
RE: RE: I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15736414 Eric on Li said:
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as well



i guess it makes sense since the team had a lot of free time last october.


lol
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15736420 pjcas18 said:
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.


Yankees released him the other day. Didn't make it back to the bigs with the Reds or Yankees and there is this...


"He’s hit .200/.267/.277 in 220 plate appearances at the major league level since the start of 2020."


but zero downside
That  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:07 pm : link
stat is actually being kind. 80 OPS+ since 2018
amazingly he's only 31 years old  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:08 pm : link
he was a guy i wanted them to get for wheeler when it looked like they were dumping him at that deadline. not my best call. loved his defense but it looks like it's graded mediocre at best the last several years. weird fall off since he's not too old.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:15 pm : link
, Inciarte's glove also has also fallen off considerably. 2018 an incredible 16 DRS, 21 OAA in CF (155 games). Since that time -1 DRS, +5 OAA (137 games in CF).

At this time they don't really need a black hole OF who is passable in CF ala Albert Almora from last year. They have very little OF depth (Plummer, Lee, Palka who can't really play out there etc) so I expect them to cycle a bunch of these types through. Daniel Johnson was a valid attempt but he's been laughably bad.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15736436 DanMetroMan said:
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, Inciarte's glove also has also fallen off considerably. 2018 an incredible 16 DRS, 21 OAA in CF (155 games). Since that time -1 DRS, +5 OAA (137 games in CF).

At this time they don't really need a black hole OF who is passable in CF ala Albert Almora from last year. They have very little OF depth (Plummer, Lee, Palka who can't really play out there etc) so I expect them to cycle a bunch of these types through. Daniel Johnson was a valid attempt but he's been laughably bad.


very bizarre to see such a defensive fall off, but it looks like he's been at least playable in CF. hard to see him being a better call up option than mangum but like you said, depth.
Dom Smith just arrived at Citi....getting hugs in the dugout  
GiantBlue : 6/20/2022 4:29 pm : link
I saw the replays on McNeil and it seems like he felt a twinge....didn't seem pleased walking down the dugout....but let's hope it is just something to ice and won't be an IL stint.
Great W  
moze1021 : 6/20/2022 4:34 pm : link
Let's go get 1 of 2 from Astros
after the Astros  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 4:41 pm : link
pretty favorable schedule coming up. 3 more vs the Marlins, 2 more vs the Astros, 3 vs. Rangers, 3 more vs the Reds, and then 4 more vs. the Marlins before going to ATL for 3
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:43 pm : link
like Mangum got hurt again (re-injured?) I missed that.
McNeil  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:54 pm : link
"day to day" per Buck
RE: .  
TJ : 6/20/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15736075 DanMetroMan said:
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Mike Puma
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Max Scherzer will pitch for Binghamton tomorrow, throwing to James McCann, in a rehab start.

Binghamton Mets box seats available between home & third just a few rows up I think I'll go see this.
,  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 5:08 pm : link
Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
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Inciarte will earn $1.1 million if he reaches the Majors with the Mets, per source.
They  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 5:12 pm : link
really should consider bringing up Vientos and using him smartly. Mostly DH, some 1b, a good SP/lineup matchup to give him a little time at 3b, OPS is over 1.100 vs. lefties so let him see a bunch of lefties and pull him late for defense if need be.
Williams is pitching tomorrow  
Optimus-NY : 6/20/2022 5:23 pm : link
Who is going for the Stros tomorrow?
Astros  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 5:26 pm : link
have Urquidy and Garcia going
RE: Astros  
Optimus-NY : 6/20/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15736495 DanMetroMan said:
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have Urquidy and Garcia going


Thanks Dan!!

José Urquidy's stats
Luis Garcia's stats

Trevor Williams's stats
Cookies Carrasco's stats


Mets and their opponents' probable pitchers for June 20th till June 24th - ( New Window )
We've got Alcantara pitching against our guys on the 24th.  
Optimus-NY : 6/20/2022 5:55 pm : link
Shit. I hope to come out of Houston with a split. I'm already resigned to a loss against Alcantara on the 24th. I'm guessing Bassitt goes that day too.
RE: We've got Alcantara pitching against our guys on the 24th.  
Mike in NY : 6/20/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15736507 Optimus-NY said:
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Shit. I hope to come out of Houston with a split. I'm already resigned to a loss against Alcantara on the 24th. I'm guessing Bassitt goes that day too.


You skipped Walker
Scherzer  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 6:58 pm : link
Targeting 6/28 against Houston at Citi
Frankly, I am not nervous about any opposing pitcher  
GiantBlue : 6/20/2022 8:09 pm : link
with this team. Completely different under Buck and Chavez. More patient, willing to hit against the shift, trying to get extra runs with smarts vs. just waiting for Alonzo to hit a HR.

Let's take two in Houston!!!!

Yordan might not be available for them as well.
For all the crap people give Peterson...  
moze1021 : 6/20/2022 8:17 pm : link
Dude is 4-1 with a 3.18 ERA

Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter
RE: For all the crap people give Peterson...  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15736634 moze1021 said:
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Dude is 4-1 with a 3.18 ERA

Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter


yup. 50%+ ground ball rate and giving up very few homers, basically finding a way to pitch to weak contact even if he's not getting a lot of strikeouts and giving up a few too many walks.

most of his numbers are similar to 2020 so i do expect him to maybe have some negative regression with the homers, but on the whole he's standing up numbers we probably thought were a little inflated by a really low babip. he may just be a guy who out pitches his FIP with weak contact.
RE: For all the crap people give Peterson...  
dannysection 313 : 6/20/2022 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15736634 moze1021 said:
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Dude is 4-1 with a 3.18 ERA

Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter


Agreed and if he can somehow gain better command (perhaps just trust his stuff) and pound the strike zone, he can win at this level....reminds me of S. Matz

Sometimes, lefties are able to hang around the majors and then find it a few years in; Ollie Perez comes to mind though he's more of an example of a leftie who managed to last forever.
speaking of matz what a bullet dodged  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 9:08 pm : link
his peripherals look better than the results but a 6 era and giving up a ton of homers. 2 per 9 is not as bad as his 4 per 9 in 2020 but it's pretty bad.
1.74 GB/FB  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 9:41 pm : link
That's a very good ratio. His sinker and change are hit on the ground a lot. He is also throwing both about 1 mph faster. I think that is helping him.

If he can ever feel confident in his CB(5%) and throw it maybe 2-3 times as often, he will surprise a lot of people
pretty impressive given the bad start for vientos  
Eric on Li : 6/21/2022 10:31 am : link
mets have players on 3 of 4 lists (nobody in A+) and on a quick glance it looks like they are the only org to have that.

Matt Eddy
@MattEddyBA
Triple-A wRC+ leaders

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134 Luis Garcia WSN
127 Ji-hwan Bae PIT
121 Mark Vientos NYM
114 Miguel Vargas LAD
99 Eguy Rosario SD
85 Brice Turang MIL
76 Oswald Peraza NYY
61 Heliot Ramos SF

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Double-A wRC+ leaders

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180 Gunnar Henderson BAL
170 Corbin Carroll ARI
161 Ezequiel Tovar COL
151 George Valera CLE
151 Francisco Alvarez NYM
149 Curtis Mead TB
136 Jordan Walker STL
129 Michael Harris II ATL
126 Jordan Diaz OAK
118 Andy Pages LAD

Matt Eddy @MattEddyBA
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High-A wRC+ leaders

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158 Elly De La Cruz CIN
151 Colt Keith DET
148 Robert Hassell III SD
148 Marco Luciano SF
137 Angel Martinez CLE
133 Drew Romo COL
132 Zac Veen COL
122 Bryan Ramos CHW
116 Jhonkensy Noel CLE
110 Thomas Saggese TEX

Low-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 19U

198 Emmanuel Rodriguez MIN
179 Jackson Chourio MIL
152 Gabriel Martinez TOR
146 Hao Yu Lee PHI
146 Alejandro Osuna TEX
146 Carson Williams TB
142 Kevin Alcantara CHC
134 Alex Ramirez NYM
133 Edgar Quero LAA
132 Jasson Dominguez NYY
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