AAA
Vientos 2-4, BB, K
Dom 0-4, BB, K
Ritter 1-4, BB, K
Palka 1-3
Meyer 0-3, BB, K
Montes de Oca 1 inning 1 hit 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's
AA
Alvarez 1-5, HR, K (yes, another HR for The Troll)
Young 2-5, 3 k's
Baty 1-4
Mauricio 1-4, BB, K, SB, CS
McIIwain 1-4, HR, 2 k's (2nd in the organization in wRC+ amongst player with at least 150 PA's)
Cortes 1-5, K
Nunez 1 inning 1 hit 1 run 2 walks 2 k's
BK
Newton 0-4, 2 k's
Jordan 1-2
Schwartz 2-3, BB, K, SB
St. Lucie
Ramirez 0-3, BB, K, SB
Consuegra 1-3, BB, K, CS
Tillien 0-3, BB
Lugo 0-3, BB, 2 k's
ODLS 1-4, K
Dominguez 1-3, BB, K
Ventura 2.1 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 6 k's (rehab)
David .1 innings 0 hits 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's (his numbers are so unbelievably bad, I can't believe they haven't sent him to the IL to work on his command, this can't be particularly productive... 11.2 innings 24 walks)
Gomez 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 2 k's (One to watch)
Some notes-Andinson Ferrer to begin his career 7.1 innings 5 walks but 17 k's
Grant Hartwig 25.2 innings 22 hits 8 walks 39 k's
HR's have killed him (11 over 49 innings) but Alex Valverde might be worth monitoring as a sleeper. 12.86 K/9 (70 k's leads the organization), 3.89 xFIP, .387 BABIP, relatively young (26 in September)
William Lugo 6'3 215, only 20 years old, (signed thanks to IFA money received for Familia) 119 wRC+, good walk rate... if he grows into some more power....
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Max Scherzer will pitch for Binghamton tomorrow, throwing to James McCann, in a rehab start.
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Max Scherzer will pitch for Binghamton tomorrow, throwing to James McCann, in a rehab start.
well that's some very good news.
Alonso age 23 season: 132 games and 36 HR
Alonso age 23 season: 132 games and 36 HR
the mets have had a great decade of homegrown prospects and alvarez is a level above all of them. freakishly exciting prospect.
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Alvarez in age 19 and 20 seasons: 155 games and 39 HR
Alonso age 23 season: 132 games and 36 HR
the mets have had a great decade of homegrown prospects and alvarez is a level above all of them. freakishly exciting prospect.
I was hoping Vientos would be able to find a position he could play adequately, so that Alvarez could DH and be in the lineup when not catching, and Vientos could be in the lineup as well.
Nope, which is disappointing.
Vientos has played mostly 3b this year so it wouldn't surprise me to see him get a game or 2 per week there whenever he reaches the big leagues. Or about what they are giving JDD. But in the future it's not inconceivable they give him 1 day a week at first and 1 day a week at 3b to free up some DH time for Alonso and Alvarez.
just for ease of counting, let's say there are 6 games in a week:
Alonso = 5 at 1b, 1 at DH
Alvarez = 3 at C, 2 at DH
Vientos = 3 at DH, 1 at 1b, 1 at 3b
over a 26 week season alonso would play 156 games with the other 2 playing 130 games.
of course there's 0 chance that would hold up all year but that's baseball, there will be injuries and players will rotate. Some weeks maybe Alvarez gets extra games at C or Vientos an extended run at 3b.
what is the point of this? I wouldn't be surprised if there are tears after every game 7 loss at any age.
If there was a DH when Piazza played is that what he would have done?
Sarmiento 1-1 with his 6th steal, .995 OPS with 6 steals over his first 30 pro ab's
Franklin Gomez (16 years old) 2 perfect innings 3 k's
If there was a DH when Piazza played is that what he would have done?
imo yes. the most games piazza ever played as a met were 141. his 4 prime years were basically between 135 and 141.
i dont know what the exact right balance would have been but i'd guess if they had DH it would have been no more than 100 catching / 60 DH. but since he wasn't the greatest defensive maybe they'd have done 80 / 80, but that probably depends on how good of a backup catcher they could find.
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Howard Bryant, after losing game 7 to Atl in 1999, members of the Mets cried in the clubhouse. Don't know how common that is but that was my favorite Mets team.
what is the point of this? I wouldn't be surprised if there are tears after every game 7 loss at any age.
What is the point of this? He wasn't knocking the Mets but he reported it was unusual based on his experience as a writer in the clubhouse after games in contrast to some players (namely Henderson/Bonilla playing cards).
Yeah, Vientos is looking like a JD Davis type defensively. Mets will have to pick their spots. Obviously, in the playoffs, Alvarez will be catching full-time and Vientos at DH, unless he shows more defensively.
I was always against the universal DH, but selfishly glad the Mets have it with the personnel they have.
Alvarez played 84 last year and that was his most. 56 so far this year so on pace for let's say 120-130?
on a competitive roster like this one there's no reason to throw them into the deep end.
If I recall correctly, his strength was defense as well.
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Sarmiento adds another hit. 2-2. 4 multi-hit games over his first 8+ played (6 walks as well) signed for a $700,000 bonus this past January
If I recall correctly, his strength was defense as well.
He's (again 16 and 17 year olds and me mostly reading reports or in some cases speaking to people) not regarded as having any standout tools but a sum of parts type who is projectable (already 6'2 when they signed him).
Vientos has played mostly 3b this year so it wouldn't surprise me to see him get a game or 2 per week there whenever he reaches the big leagues. Or about what they are giving JDD. But in the future it's not inconceivable they give him 1 day a week at first and 1 day a week at 3b to free up some DH time for Alonso and Alvarez.
just for ease of counting, let's say there are 6 games in a week:
Alonso = 5 at 1b, 1 at DH
Alvarez = 3 at C, 2 at DH
Vientos = 3 at DH, 1 at 1b, 1 at 3b
over a 26 week season alonso would play 156 games with the other 2 playing 130 games.
of course there's 0 chance that would hold up all year but that's baseball, there will be injuries and players will rotate. Some weeks maybe Alvarez gets extra games at C or Vientos an extended run at 3b.
Jorge Rodriguez has 8 k's through 3 innings for DSL Mets 2 #Mets
Vientos and Alvarez as hitters are both probably in the top handful of prospects AA+. The main thing that sets Alvarez apart is that he plays C and apparently has tools to stick there.
here's the last 129 games for Vientos at AA/AAA:
.270 / .348 / .550
36 homers
26 2b/3b
94 rbis
in his final season in the minors Alonso hit 36 homers in 132 games with a .285 BA but a chunk of that was vegas/pcl. And as KD mentioned he was a full year older at 23. unless a CY level starter with control is coming back im not giving up a prospect with Vientos' upside this close to the big leagues. it's high enough that even if he's only a DH it will play.
so is palka not going to be activated?
or did they choose 2 hitters not hitting as well as vientos in the last month over him?
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Howard Bryant, after losing game 7 to Atl in 1999, members of the Mets cried in the clubhouse. Don't know how common that is but that was my favorite Mets team.
what is the point of this? I wouldn't be surprised if there are tears after every game 7 loss at any age.
What is the point of this? He wasn't knocking the Mets but he reported it was unusual based on his experience as a writer in the clubhouse after games in contrast to some players (namely Henderson/Bonilla playing cards).
There was no Game 7. The Mets lost in 6
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recalled, Lugo on paternity leave
so is palka not going to be activated?
or did they choose 2 hitters not hitting as well as vientos in the last month over him?
Palka isn't on the 40 man, Dom is.
Not sure who this is pitching, the feed doesn't list names today and #26 isn't listed on the DSL2 roster **Visually only** #26 reminds me of Johan. FB up to 90, slider with some decent break but some of have been NOWHERE near the zone (to the back stop twice)
weird that it seems they are going out of their way to note promote vientos. im sure they have their reasons but i personally don't get it. vientos performance has been better than both and the entire point with dom was getting him every day action. probably en route to facilitating a trade.
im sure there's some rationale like "they want to see him lay off the outside breaking ball" or whatever but at the end of the day he has almost as many homers in the last year as Dom has in 400+ MLB games with a higher walk rate and BA. he's having the better season and there's not a stat i see that doesn't indicate higher upside to '95 or walk'. if dom was coming up to play 1b every day it would be a different story but given this is likely for DH at bats i dont get it.
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Vientos is 9th in wRC+ (remember, his first month was horrendous) and 3rd in ISO)
Mauricio 15th and 5th
Alvarez 1st and 1st
Vientos and Alvarez as hitters are both probably in the top handful of prospects AA+. The main thing that sets Alvarez apart is that he plays C and apparently has tools to stick there.
here's the last 129 games for Vientos at AA/AAA:
.270 / .348 / .550
36 homers
26 2b/3b
94 rbis
in his final season in the minors Alonso hit 36 homers in 132 games with a .285 BA but a chunk of that was vegas/pcl. And as KD mentioned he was a full year older at 23. unless a CY level starter with control is coming back im not giving up a prospect with Vientos' upside this close to the big leagues. it's high enough that even if he's only a DH it will play.
Agreed 100%. I'd go so far to say, if I was in trade talks with a team for a premium player, and they gave me an option of dealing Vientos or Baty, I'd have a tough time deciding.
Agreed 100%. I'd go so far to say, if I was in trade talks with a team for a premium player, and they gave me an option of dealing Vientos or Baty, I'd have a tough time deciding.
that's why mauricio is likely the odd man out, not that he's much easier to trade. and PCA when injured last year.
and ramirez is getting close to the same level of "hurt" if they dealt him too.
all why it's so annoying they didn't spend on a back end BP option in the offseason and now need to trade for one.
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Agreed 100%. I'd go so far to say, if I was in trade talks with a team for a premium player, and they gave me an option of dealing Vientos or Baty, I'd have a tough time deciding.
that's why mauricio is likely the odd man out, not that he's much easier to trade. and PCA when injured last year.
and ramirez is getting close to the same level of "hurt" if they dealt him too.
all why it's so annoying they didn't spend on a back end BP option in the offseason and now need to trade for one.
At least Mauricio could possibly play the OF.
I'm disappointed by Vientos looking like he may be mostly a DH. There are other reasons besides having Alvarez catching more. Look at the Phillies when Harper couldn't play the field. They had to have Schwarber playing out there.
That said, Vientos is not a player to trade either. His trade value would be down because he looks like a primarily DH player, and he's a player who if he reaches his potential has a bat that could rival Alonso's
with 5 weeks until the deadline though and a lineup that could use another bat i don't understand not seeing what he can do. worst case you make a trade and send him back down.
this isn't justification because i agree but there are 2 potential negatives i can think of:
1. giving him a new position to learn is an extra new thing that could bring with him to the plate.
2. they may think his trade value is highest showing he can play short stop.
if his offense starts picking up and the deadline passes, both factors are mitigated so if he's still here i think we could see him get some action out there in august.
i think the more likely reason is that unlike those other guys he still has a lot of development offensively. Vientos and Baty each have pretty advanced approaches offensively.
keeping him at SS and not having to learn a new position is 1 less thing. i can see them thinking to get the bat going first and then figure the position out later.
he's very paul oneil. there was a great article on the athletic re oneil a month or so ago talking about the subway series and his AB vs. benitez and it was super interesting bc he claimed he knew he had no chance of getting a hit vs. benitez so he was just trying to foul balls off to draw a walk.
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agreed off the bat i thought mcneil had 3 rbis but they had the LF positioned well i guess.
i think kinley got hurt.
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wonder what they would have to include with Dom to get both Bard and Kinley.
i think kinley got hurt.
Missed that. Thanks. Well, I'd happily take Bard
Strange things happen when you replace a third of the lineup, huh?
He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.
So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.
He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.
So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.
Premium athlete. Law is of the belief he's simply missed too much development time to really reach what his projected/potential ceiling was. Forget not really concentrating on baseball, he basically didn't play (127 total ab's not including summer league) and that's at 2 different stops. I've been pumping him up for a while now bit it IS worth noting his BABIP is ridiculous (it was over .400 as of a few days ago). At the very least, he was a nice "free" pickup and we'll see where it goes.
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Just wondering what you guys think
He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.
So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.
Premium athlete. Law is of the belief he's simply missed too much development time to really reach what his projected/potential ceiling was. Forget not really concentrating on baseball, he basically didn't play (127 total ab's not including summer league) and that's at 2 different stops. I've been pumping him up for a while now bit it IS worth noting his BABIP is ridiculous (it was over .400 as of a few days ago). At the very least, he was a nice "free" pickup and we'll see where it goes.
Interesting about Law.
On the other hand, you could say the guy has played so little and despite that is already at AA and off to a good start.
Thanks for linking that Ira
37 xbh's is pretty low but 20 steals boosts that.
the career line is pretty decent if he can keep moving through the system and offset the babip losses with positive development.
124g / 480 pa
.809 ops (.275 / .373 / .436)
11 hr, 60 rbis, 20 steals
the babip suggests he's more of a .230-.250 hitter than .275 but that's an area he may also be able to improve. having the solid walk rate is a good start. apparently a very cross functional athlete.
Looks like he might have pulled something.
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hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy
Looks like he might have pulled something.
Yeah he was walking pretty gingerly there after scoring... time to hold your breath
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Jeff McNeil is out of the game with an apparent leg injury. #LGM
but you never know
i wonder if there's a 3b in the system they can call up?
Having to tank Walters, Dyer, and Orze to select Ginn was one of the reasons I was against selecting him. I did not think he was substantially ahead of this guy who signed for slot when he was drafted later in the same round.
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pitchers break is the truest saying of all time.
obviously there may be some talents you can't pass up but when you factor in 3-4 years of development time where you need a pitcher to be healthy along with the reality that they need to be healthy once they get to the majors, it's got to be such a lower probability investment than every day players.
with Cohen's $, i think the move is the draft for depth like last year and use the bigger $ on position players. Then buy free agents in UFA.
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.
they mentioned his wife was due to give birth soon i wonder if they can put him on the paternity leave list for a week to create a roster spot?
A player can be placed on the Paternity Leave List any time during the MLB regular season and post-season.
A player must remain on the Paternity Leave List for at least 24 hours, but no more than 72 hours.
i guess it makes sense since the team had a lot of free time last october.
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.
they mentioned his wife was due to give birth soon i wonder if they can put him on the paternity leave list for a week to create a roster spot?
Paternity list is only up to 72 hours.
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.
As for McNeil if he doesn't need to hit the IL, they could sit him Tuesday and Wednesday, have him take paternity leave on Friday-Sunday and come back Tuesday. He'd miss 5 games total.
Tuesday, Wed, Friday, Sat, Sunday and rejoin them Tuesday (no games Thurs/Monday) could call up Vientos on Friday
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.
i know he probably cant hit any more but i always liked him.
jdd just got beaned in the hand or fingers but looks like hes staying in.
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i guess it makes sense since the team had a lot of free time last october.
lol
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.
Yankees released him the other day. Didn't make it back to the bigs with the Reds or Yankees and there is this...
"He’s hit .200/.267/.277 in 220 plate appearances at the major league level since the start of 2020."
but zero downside
At this time they don't really need a black hole OF who is passable in CF ala Albert Almora from last year. They have very little OF depth (Plummer, Lee, Palka who can't really play out there etc) so I expect them to cycle a bunch of these types through. Daniel Johnson was a valid attempt but he's been laughably bad.
At this time they don't really need a black hole OF who is passable in CF ala Albert Almora from last year. They have very little OF depth (Plummer, Lee, Palka who can't really play out there etc) so I expect them to cycle a bunch of these types through. Daniel Johnson was a valid attempt but he's been laughably bad.
very bizarre to see such a defensive fall off, but it looks like he's been at least playable in CF. hard to see him being a better call up option than mangum but like you said, depth.
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Max Scherzer will pitch for Binghamton tomorrow, throwing to James McCann, in a rehab start.
Binghamton Mets box seats available between home & third just a few rows up I think I'll go see this.
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Inciarte will earn $1.1 million if he reaches the Majors with the Mets, per source.
Thanks Dan!!
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You skipped Walker
Let's take two in Houston!!!!
Yordan might not be available for them as well.
Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter
Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter
yup. 50%+ ground ball rate and giving up very few homers, basically finding a way to pitch to weak contact even if he's not getting a lot of strikeouts and giving up a few too many walks.
most of his numbers are similar to 2020 so i do expect him to maybe have some negative regression with the homers, but on the whole he's standing up numbers we probably thought were a little inflated by a really low babip. he may just be a guy who out pitches his FIP with weak contact.
Could do a lot worse for your 7th starter
Agreed and if he can somehow gain better command (perhaps just trust his stuff) and pound the strike zone, he can win at this level....reminds me of S. Matz
Sometimes, lefties are able to hang around the majors and then find it a few years in; Ollie Perez comes to mind though he's more of an example of a leftie who managed to last forever.
If he can ever feel confident in his CB(5%) and throw it maybe 2-3 times as often, he will surprise a lot of people
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132 Jasson Dominguez NYY