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NFT: Mets Minors 6/20/2022-Mostly a snoozer

DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 10:15 am
AAA
Vientos 2-4, BB, K
Dom 0-4, BB, K
Ritter 1-4, BB, K
Palka 1-3
Meyer 0-3, BB, K
Montes de Oca 1 inning 1 hit 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's


AA
Alvarez 1-5, HR, K (yes, another HR for The Troll)
Young 2-5, 3 k's
Baty 1-4
Mauricio 1-4, BB, K, SB, CS
McIIwain 1-4, HR, 2 k's (2nd in the organization in wRC+ amongst player with at least 150 PA's)
Cortes 1-5, K
Nunez 1 inning 1 hit 1 run 2 walks 2 k's


BK
Newton 0-4, 2 k's
Jordan 1-2
Schwartz 2-3, BB, K, SB


St. Lucie
Ramirez 0-3, BB, K, SB
Consuegra 1-3, BB, K, CS
Tillien 0-3, BB
Lugo 0-3, BB, 2 k's
ODLS 1-4, K
Dominguez 1-3, BB, K
Ventura 2.1 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 6 k's (rehab)
David .1 innings 0 hits 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's (his numbers are so unbelievably bad, I can't believe they haven't sent him to the IL to work on his command, this can't be particularly productive... 11.2 innings 24 walks)
Gomez 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 2 k's (One to watch)

Some notes-Andinson Ferrer to begin his career 7.1 innings 5 walks but 17 k's

Grant Hartwig 25.2 innings 22 hits 8 walks 39 k's

HR's have killed him (11 over 49 innings) but Alex Valverde might be worth monitoring as a sleeper. 12.86 K/9 (70 k's leads the organization), 3.89 xFIP, .387 BABIP, relatively young (26 in September)

William Lugo 6'3 215, only 20 years old, (signed thanks to IFA money received for Familia) 119 wRC+, good walk rate... if he grows into some more power....
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bad defensive players can improve and still produce value  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:30 pm : link
murphy is a good example in that he was never good defensively but he made himself more playable. with the DH an option the bar is that much lower to just have a little versatility.

with 5 weeks until the deadline though and a lineup that could use another bat i don't understand not seeing what he can do. worst case you make a trade and send him back down.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15736265 DanMetroMan said:
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honestly very surprised they haven't given Mauricio 1 game per week in the OF. He's on the 40 man roster, there are situations where they either would need to potentially lose a player or call him him. It would be less than ideal but to know if he's even marginally passable out there would make sense and if they don't see a scenario where they would happen, then why not giving him some reps out there to begin the process?


this isn't justification because i agree but there are 2 potential negatives i can think of:

1. giving him a new position to learn is an extra new thing that could bring with him to the plate.

2. they may think his trade value is highest showing he can play short stop.

if his offense starts picking up and the deadline passes, both factors are mitigated so if he's still here i think we could see him get some action out there in august.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:35 pm : link
I understand that but they have given Baty time in the OF and were doing the same with Vientos until they decided to pull the plug. Baty isn't on the 40 man aka extremely, extremely unlikely he'd join the team this year but Mauricio and Vientos are. Trade value and player development are very important but to not be able to say "less than ideal but we can throw him out there for a week while Canha is on paternity leave" seems somewhat short sighted. Is his trade value/development really taking a hit if he plays 1 game in the OF per week for the next 4 weeks? aka 4-5 appearances? I find that very, very hard to believe.
great call on canha dan  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:36 pm : link
i love his game. watching him vs. conforto is such an interesting comparison of 1 guy who made louder contact but more inconsistently and another guy who just takes much more consistent ABs. factoring in price canha was obviously the right call.
Canha  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:38 pm : link
has always reminded me of a player who would have been on the Jeter-era Yankees. Even more so watching him every day. That was a true no-brainer signing. Even if he ended up a "player in decline" the contract still would have made sense.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15736273 DanMetroMan said:
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I understand that but they have given Baty time in the OF and were doing the same with Vientos until they decided to pull the plug. Baty isn't on the 40 man aka extremely, extremely unlikely he'd join the team this year but Mauricio and Vientos are. Trade value and player development are very important but to not be able to say "less than ideal but we can throw him out there for a week while Canha is on paternity leave" seems somewhat short sighted. Is his trade value/development really taking a hit if he plays 1 game in the OF per week for the next 4 weeks? aka 4-5 appearances? I find that very, very hard to believe.


i think the more likely reason is that unlike those other guys he still has a lot of development offensively. Vientos and Baty each have pretty advanced approaches offensively.

keeping him at SS and not having to learn a new position is 1 less thing. i can see them thinking to get the bat going first and then figure the position out later.
disappointing to come out of the 1st with just the 1 run  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 1:39 pm : link
but Rogers is really struggling this year. 2.64 ERA last year to almost 6 this year. Having some control issues.
RE: Canha  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15736276 DanMetroMan said:
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has always reminded me of a player who would have been on the Jeter-era Yankees. Even more so watching him every day. That was a true no-brainer signing. Even if he ended up a "player in decline" the contract still would have made sense.


he's very paul oneil. there was a great article on the athletic re oneil a month or so ago talking about the subway series and his AB vs. benitez and it was super interesting bc he claimed he knew he had no chance of getting a hit vs. benitez so he was just trying to foul balls off to draw a walk.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:42 pm : link
wonder what they would have to include with Dom to get both Bard and Kinley.
RE: disappointing to come out of the 1st with just the 1 run  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15736279 KDavies said:
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but Rogers is really struggling this year. 2.64 ERA last year to almost 6 this year. Having some control issues.


agreed off the bat i thought mcneil had 3 rbis but they had the LF positioned well i guess.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15736281 DanMetroMan said:
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wonder what they would have to include with Dom to get both Bard and Kinley.


i think kinley got hurt.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15736285 Eric on Li said:
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wonder what they would have to include with Dom to get both Bard and Kinley.



i think kinley got hurt.


Missed that. Thanks. Well, I'd happily take Bard
The  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:45 pm : link
Mets actually briefly had Bard in the organization (2017).
wow hell of a clutch pitch by peterson there  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:47 pm : link
perfect pitch. needs to get williams here now.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 1:47 pm : link
Probably the end of a very good career for Romo (he's 39 and has been horrendous in 2022) but a minor league deal "why not?" wouldn't be the worst idea. Gave Oakland 61.2 quality innings last season
that's a really strong shut down inning from peterson  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:49 pm : link
gave up a couple weak hits, defense can't turn a DP, then comes back with 2 good Ks. through the order once with 30 pitches.
always liked Canha with Oakland  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 1:49 pm : link
just a professional hitter. Him, Marte, and Escobar are a nice group of signings. When Marte is out, I like Canha at #2. Nimmo and Canha are a couple of headaches for pitchers before getting to the heart of the order.
RE: always liked Canha with Oakland  
Shecky : 6/20/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15736295 KDavies said:
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just a professional hitter. Him, Marte, and Escobar are a nice group of signings. When Marte is out, I like Canha at #2. Nimmo and Canha are a couple of headaches for pitchers before getting to the heart of the order.


Strange things happen when you replace a third of the lineup, huh?
Brandon McIlwain  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:11 pm : link
Just wondering what you guys think

He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.

So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.



RE: Brandon McIlwain  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15736315 Vanzetti said:
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Just wondering what you guys think

He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.

So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.




Premium athlete. Law is of the belief he's simply missed too much development time to really reach what his projected/potential ceiling was. Forget not really concentrating on baseball, he basically didn't play (127 total ab's not including summer league) and that's at 2 different stops. I've been pumping him up for a while now bit it IS worth noting his BABIP is ridiculous (it was over .400 as of a few days ago). At the very least, he was a nice "free" pickup and we'll see where it goes.
RE: RE: Brandon McIlwain  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15736322 DanMetroMan said:
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Just wondering what you guys think

He is 24 but he was a two sport athlete, playing QB at both South Carolina and Cal. I saw him at Cal and he basically ran around a lot. Definitely has quickness.

So he really has never concentrated on baseball full time until recently. He appears to really be coming on and they have moved him to CF, where he played his last season at Cal. Given his athleticism CF would seem to be his position.






Premium athlete. Law is of the belief he's simply missed too much development time to really reach what his projected/potential ceiling was. Forget not really concentrating on baseball, he basically didn't play (127 total ab's not including summer league) and that's at 2 different stops. I've been pumping him up for a while now bit it IS worth noting his BABIP is ridiculous (it was over .400 as of a few days ago). At the very least, he was a nice "free" pickup and we'll see where it goes.


Interesting about Law.

On the other hand, you could say the guy has played so little and despite that is already at AA and off to a good start.

RE: Alvarez's 3 run homer  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15736226 Ira said:
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Thanks for linking that Ira
lookeing him up and without knowing much the bb rate is encouraging  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 2:41 pm : link
50 walks in about 500ish plate appearances is functional. 135 k's isn't even that bad. Also has 17 hbp's on top of the walks.

37 xbh's is pretty low but 20 steals boosts that.

the career line is pretty decent if he can keep moving through the system and offset the babip losses with positive development.

124g / 480 pa
.809 ops (.275 / .373 / .436)
11 hr, 60 rbis, 20 steals

the babip suggests he's more of a .230-.250 hitter than .275 but that's an area he may also be able to improve. having the solid walk rate is a good start. apparently a very cross functional athlete.
anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 2:44 pm : link
hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy
RE: anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
KevinBBWC : 6/20/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15736352 KDavies said:
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hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy


Looks like he might have pulled something.
RE: RE: anyone know why Guillorme replaced McNeil?  
moze1021 : 6/20/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15736354 KevinBBWC said:
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hopefully just a bit of rest for McNeil and putting in a defensive guy



Looks like he might have pulled something.


Yeah he was walking pretty gingerly there after scoring... time to hold your breath
Looking  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 2:47 pm : link
back at the 2020 draft (McIIwain was undrafted), I realize they took 3rd rounder Anthony Walters so they could pay JT Ginn (Walters signed for 20K) but to take a guy and cut him after 35 games, that's a true wasted pick and for comparisons sake Eric Orze (same draft, same bonus) is one of the better RP arms in the system. Austin Faith (also undrafted plus arm, major command issues but still struck out 55 over 41.2 innings last year). 35 games and cut, yeesh
thanks for the info  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 2:48 pm : link
crap. Unable to watch today
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pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 2:49 pm : link
GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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Jeff McNeil is out of the game with an apparent leg injury. #LGM
McNeil's injury did not look serious  
Vanzetti : 6/20/2022 2:56 pm : link
more of a tweak

but you never know
thank goodness for guillorme  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 2:57 pm : link
also good job by eppler building depth. might not be a bad idea to get escobar some time back at 2b if McNeil is out for a while just to have another option.

i wonder if there's a 3b in the system they can call up?
RE: Looking  
Mike in NY : 6/20/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15736357 DanMetroMan said:
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back at the 2020 draft (McIIwain was undrafted), I realize they took 3rd rounder Anthony Walters so they could pay JT Ginn (Walters signed for 20K) but to take a guy and cut him after 35 games, that's a true wasted pick and for comparisons sake Eric Orze (same draft, same bonus) is one of the better RP arms in the system. Austin Faith (also undrafted plus arm, major command issues but still struck out 55 over 41.2 innings last year). 35 games and cut, yeesh


Having to tank Walters, Dyer, and Orze to select Ginn was one of the reasons I was against selecting him. I did not think he was substantially ahead of this guy who signed for slot when he was drafted later in the same round.
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Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:14 pm : link
rooting against him just because he was traded but I missed that Ginn hasn't pitched much thanks to a tight forearm, that's not good.
RE: Not  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15736383 DanMetroMan said:
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rooting against him just because he was traded but I missed that Ginn hasn't pitched much thanks to a tight forearm, that's not good.


pitchers break is the truest saying of all time.

obviously there may be some talents you can't pass up but when you factor in 3-4 years of development time where you need a pitcher to be healthy along with the reality that they need to be healthy once they get to the majors, it's got to be such a lower probability investment than every day players.

with Cohen's $, i think the move is the draft for depth like last year and use the bigger $ on position players. Then buy free agents in UFA.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:49 pm : link
Mike Puma
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15736409 DanMetroMan said:
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Mike Puma
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.


they mentioned his wife was due to give birth soon i wonder if they can put him on the paternity leave list for a week to create a roster spot?
I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 3:52 pm : link
as well
i guess it doesn't matter with the short DL rules  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:53 pm : link
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A player can be placed on the Major League Paternity Leave List when he leaves his club to attend the birth of his child. The childbirth must be either imminent or have occurred within the previous 48 hours.

A player can be placed on the Paternity Leave List any time during the MLB regular season and post-season.

A player must remain on the Paternity Leave List for at least 24 hours, but no more than 72 hours.
RE: I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15736412 KDavies said:
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as well


i guess it makes sense since the team had a lot of free time last october.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15736411 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say Jeff McNeil left today's game with tightness in his right hamstring.



they mentioned his wife was due to give birth soon i wonder if they can put him on the paternity leave list for a week to create a roster spot?


Paternity list is only up to 72 hours.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:59 pm : link
24-72 hours
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pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 4:00 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.
Peterson's  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:03 pm : link
wife is so close to giving birth they weren't sure he'd be able to make the start today.

As for McNeil if he doesn't need to hit the IL, they could sit him Tuesday and Wednesday, have him take paternity leave on Friday-Sunday and come back Tuesday. He'd miss 5 games total.

Tuesday, Wed, Friday, Sat, Sunday and rejoin them Tuesday (no games Thurs/Monday) could call up Vientos on Friday
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15736420 pjcas18 said:
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.


i know he probably cant hit any more but i always liked him.

jdd just got beaned in the hand or fingers but looks like hes staying in.
RE: RE: I believe I read Peterson's wife is due soon  
KDavies : 6/20/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15736414 Eric on Li said:
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as well



i guess it makes sense since the team had a lot of free time last october.


lol
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15736420 pjcas18 said:
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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The Mets have signed OF Ender Inciarte to a minor league deal, per source.


Yankees released him the other day. Didn't make it back to the bigs with the Reds or Yankees and there is this...


"He’s hit .200/.267/.277 in 220 plate appearances at the major league level since the start of 2020."


but zero downside
That  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:07 pm : link
stat is actually being kind. 80 OPS+ since 2018
amazingly he's only 31 years old  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:08 pm : link
he was a guy i wanted them to get for wheeler when it looked like they were dumping him at that deadline. not my best call. loved his defense but it looks like it's graded mediocre at best the last several years. weird fall off since he's not too old.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 4:15 pm : link
, Inciarte's glove also has also fallen off considerably. 2018 an incredible 16 DRS, 21 OAA in CF (155 games). Since that time -1 DRS, +5 OAA (137 games in CF).

At this time they don't really need a black hole OF who is passable in CF ala Albert Almora from last year. They have very little OF depth (Plummer, Lee, Palka who can't really play out there etc) so I expect them to cycle a bunch of these types through. Daniel Johnson was a valid attempt but he's been laughably bad.
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Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15736436 DanMetroMan said:
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, Inciarte's glove also has also fallen off considerably. 2018 an incredible 16 DRS, 21 OAA in CF (155 games). Since that time -1 DRS, +5 OAA (137 games in CF).

At this time they don't really need a black hole OF who is passable in CF ala Albert Almora from last year. They have very little OF depth (Plummer, Lee, Palka who can't really play out there etc) so I expect them to cycle a bunch of these types through. Daniel Johnson was a valid attempt but he's been laughably bad.


very bizarre to see such a defensive fall off, but it looks like he's been at least playable in CF. hard to see him being a better call up option than mangum but like you said, depth.
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