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NFT: NBA Thread: Shams report on Kyrie Irving

GGGGmen : 6/20/2022 12:48 pm
Kyrie Irving, Nets are at impasse in conversations about his future in Brooklyn, clearing way for the seven-time All-Star to consider the open market. Lakers and Knicks expected to emerge among potential suitors.

Would be interested in seeing he and LeBron reunite in LA. As a Knicks fan this would be a horrific move and I highly doubt it's even remotely possible.
If you don’t have to trade chips for him  
djm : 6/20/2022 12:52 pm : link
It’s not a horrific move at all. It could be a franchise (Knicks) altering move if anything. Sure it’s a financial risk. Ok. And?
The Knicks would have to  
GGGGmen : 6/20/2022 12:54 pm : link
part with some assets to make the $$ right with a potential trade. Aside from financial the guy does not seem motivated to play basketball very often - tough attribute for someone you'd be paying huge dollars to.

If he wasn't on the court to partner with KD you really think he'd give it 100% on a mediocre Knicks team? Adding him torpedoes the youth movement or any player development.

Kyrie is toxic. Not the kind of guy you want to bring into MSG at this time.
We all know how this would play out in NY  
No1MDGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 12:56 pm : link
hard pass
Let the reunions begin  
GNewGiants : 6/20/2022 12:59 pm : link
Lebron and Kyrie
KD and Westbrook

Lebron has to be relevant so I’m sure he will get what he wants.
RE: The Knicks would have to  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2022 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15736211 GGGGmen said:
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part with some assets to make the $$ right with a potential trade. Aside from financial the guy does not seem motivated to play basketball very often - tough attribute for someone you'd be paying huge dollars to.

If he wasn't on the court to partner with KD you really think he'd give it 100% on a mediocre Knicks team? Adding him torpedoes the youth movement or any player development.

Kyrie is toxic. Not the kind of guy you want to bring into MSG at this time.


no you wouldnt knicks have 40 million in exprirings that can easily match
Absolutely!  
Kmed6000 : 6/20/2022 1:07 pm : link
Get him on the knicks pronto please. Kyrie with a young Obi and RJ would be amazing and hopefully he'd take on the leadership role.
RE: The Knicks would have to  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15736211 GGGGmen said:
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part with some assets to make the $$ right with a potential trade. Aside from financial the guy does not seem motivated to play basketball very often - tough attribute for someone you'd be paying huge dollars to.

If he wasn't on the court to partner with KD you really think he'd give it 100% on a mediocre Knicks team? Adding him torpedoes the youth movement or any player development.

Kyrie is toxic. Not the kind of guy you want to bring into MSG at this time.


He wasnt on the court because of the vaccine mandates, it wasnt because he didnt want to be on the court..

How does Kyrie torpedoe the youth? you dont think they would be better playing with a star like Kyrie?
RE: If you don’t have to trade chips for him  
NJBlueTuna : 6/20/2022 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15736209 djm said:
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It’s not a horrific move at all. It could be a franchise (Knicks) altering move if anything. Sure it’s a financial risk. Ok. And?


Really? Yes let’s pair him with Dolan, bring back Isiah Thomas and hire Terrell Owens as head of PR

RE: Let the reunions begin  
Strahan91 : 6/20/2022 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15736218 GNewGiants said:
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Lebron and Kyrie
KD and Westbrook

Lebron has to be relevant so I’m sure he will get what he wants.

Westbrook and Simmons would be the worst “star” fit in league history 😂
KD latching onto Kyrie  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/20/2022 1:13 pm : link
Is one of the all time mistakes it seems like.

Lol at the Lakers being involved in this.
RE: RE: If you don’t have to trade chips for him  
NJBlueTuna : 6/20/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15736232 NJBlueTuna said:
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It’s not a horrific move at all. It could be a franchise (Knicks) altering move if anything. Sure it’s a financial risk. Ok. And?



Really? Yes let’s pair him with Dolan, bring back Isiah Thomas and hire Terrell Owens as head of PR


Kyrie is the weirdest dude I have even seen in sports for 40 years. His talent is tantalizing. But he is a weird head case. Think about it, KD doesn’t even want him on the team anymore as KI killed his legacy.
He's a team killer, no doubt  
ThreePoints : 6/20/2022 1:15 pm : link
His tenures with Brooklyn and Boston are pretty embarrassing. Great talent, but he's a toxic asset.
RE: KD latching onto Kyrie  
UConn4523 : 6/20/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15736234 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Is one of the all time mistakes it seems like.

Lol at the Lakers being involved in this.


Agreed, it really hit Durant's legacy potential IMO. Just wasting prime years for him (turning 34 before the upcoming season).
RE: KD latching onto Kyrie  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15736234 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Is one of the all time mistakes it seems like.


100% agree. If he chose Butler instead of Kyrie he'd have at least 1 ring.
Amazing to me how people haven't learned on Kyrie  
AJ23 : 6/20/2022 1:22 pm : link
With his track record, it's insane why anyone serious about anything would want him.
Imagine how KD must feel right now  
GGGGmen : 6/20/2022 1:23 pm : link
with all the Kyrie drama and having to watch Curry ascend above him with his 4th ring.

RE: KD latching onto Kyrie  
Strahan91 : 6/20/2022 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15736234 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Is one of the all time mistakes it seems like.

Lol at the Lakers being involved in this.

It's one of the great NBA "what-ifs" given that by all accounts Durant chose the Nets because of Kyrie. Where does he go if Kyrie wasn't a factor and who goes with him?
The Nets had such a good thing going  
GNewGiants : 6/20/2022 1:26 pm : link
Atkinson had the players playing hard. They were developing players. They didn’t need a 2nd superstar. If Durant had just gone by himself - he may have escalated them to a title contender by himself. But losing Allen, levert, dinwiddie, among other players just killed that franchise.

I know those players aren’t superstars but man they could have filled what Durant needed. Allen is an all star to boot.
I'd take just about any other option  
ghost718 : 6/20/2022 1:26 pm : link
than signing this guy

Trading up for Ivey
Trading for Brogdan
Drafting a pg

You name it
Knicks can get it done on  
larryflower37 : 6/20/2022 1:26 pm : link
Randle and expiring contracts in a sign and trade.
I think his contract will be tradable down the road if he doesn't work out.
If he plays 60+ games he makes the Knicks a playoff team and might attract other FA.
For the love of God..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 1:27 pm : link
No. No. No.
How long before Durant demands a trade?  
larryflower37 : 6/20/2022 1:43 pm : link
The nets have a ton of expiring contracts but can you build a winner around KD and Simmons?
Trade up for Ivey  
Chris L. : 6/20/2022 1:48 pm : link
yes if it means we are not dealing RJ or Obi. Bringing on Kyrie....hard hard NO!!! Go ask Celtics fans and Nets fans about having him on your team.
RE: Absolutely!  
k2tampa : 6/20/2022 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15736225 Kmed6000 said:
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Get him on the knicks pronto please. Kyrie with a young Obi and RJ would be amazing and hopefully he'd take on the leadership role.


Stunned that someone actually said Kyrie and leadership role in the same sentence.
If I’m an NBA exec (fat chance)  
BillT : 6/20/2022 1:51 pm : link
I wouldn’t touch this guy no matter what. Absolute team killer. I wouldn’t take him for free with a vet min salary. But there will be someone who thinks he’ll be the guy to get him to perform. And pay him $40m for the privilege.
RE: How long before Durant demands a trade?  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15736284 larryflower37 said:
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The nets have a ton of expiring contracts but can you build a winner around KD and Simmons?


If the Nets arent willing to gice him the max its because Kd told them hr is ok if you let Kyrie walk
KD clearly had a decision to make this offseason  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 2:16 pm : link
fight for championships
fight for kyrie

there's no way to do both if kyrie doesn't change, and today's leak makes it pretty clear kyrie hasn't changed.

hard to envision a more unreliable pro athlete than kyrie. honestly can't think of one.
Knicks can’t be this  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/20/2022 2:50 pm : link
Dumb
Its not Kyries fault  
Kmed6000 : 6/20/2022 3:01 pm : link
that NY had that asinine mandate. To say the season was Kyries fault is unfair.
RE: Its not Kyries fault  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15736370 Kmed6000 said:
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that NY had that asinine mandate. To say the season was Kyries fault is unfair.


and how about when he went awol for a few games last year?
or the playoff injuries for cle, bos, and bklyn?
or how he played against boston in the sweep, when he admitted he was fatigued, perhaps in part bc he was fasting?

you want to absolve him for the mandate go ahead but even with that off the table i dont think you could name a more unreliable pro athlete ever.
Kinda  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2022 3:11 pm : link
surprised how few of you guys don't think this is simply Kyrie trying to tighten the screws on the Nets and get as much as he can from them.
RE: Kinda  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2022 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15736380 DanMetroMan said:
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surprised how few of you guys don't think this is simply Kyrie trying to tighten the screws on the Nets and get as much as he can from them.


It absolutely is, but Knicks fans are pretty given to living in What Ifs.
RE: Kinda  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15736380 DanMetroMan said:
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surprised how few of you guys don't think this is simply Kyrie trying to tighten the screws on the Nets and get as much as he can from them.


that's 100% what he's trying to do but in doing so he's doing exactly what makes the nets not want him back in the first place.

i can only think of a handful of people so good at making their critics right as often as kyrie.
RE: RE: Its not Kyries fault  
Kmed6000 : 6/20/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15736377 Eric on Li said:
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that NY had that asinine mandate. To say the season was Kyries fault is unfair.



and how about when he went awol for a few games last year?
or the playoff injuries for cle, bos, and bklyn?
or how he played against boston in the sweep, when he admitted he was fatigued, perhaps in part bc he was fasting?

you want to absolve him for the mandate go ahead but even with that off the table i dont think you could name a more unreliable pro athlete ever.


Can't really argue that.
RE: Kinda  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2022 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15736380 DanMetroMan said:
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surprised how few of you guys don't think this is simply Kyrie trying to tighten the screws on the Nets and get as much as he can from them.


Of course thats whats happening, he is putting it out there to the Nets to say hey i am not coming back without a full max deal and hey Lakers, Clips or Knicks want me..
It's not a coincidence that the Cavs, Celts and now Nets  
Heisenberg : 6/20/2022 3:22 pm : link
all decided to move on from an otherwise extremely talented player. Can't win with this dickhead.
You can win with him,  
Kmed6000 : 6/20/2022 3:31 pm : link
he's proven that. Also, most of those teams didn't want Kyrie to leave despite his warts. Kyrie was the one who wanted out. Come home Kyrie, I'll give you a chance to fix your name!
If I am the  
TommyWiseau : 6/20/2022 6:36 pm : link
Knicks, I want no part of him. Great player when he is on the court but no freaking thank you to all his nonsense. Get me Ivey or Brunson instead
RE: You can win with him,  
UConn4523 : 6/20/2022 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15736399 Kmed6000 said:
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he's proven that. Also, most of those teams didn't want Kyrie to leave despite his warts. Kyrie was the one who wanted out. Come home Kyrie, I'll give you a chance to fix your name!


That was what, 5 years ago and with the best player in the league? A lot has changed since then including what looks to be a lack of commitment to playing. At 30+ does he magically start putting basketball above everything?

As a FA signing I guess the risk is minimal but I wouldn’t put any amount of money on it.
Bradley Beal rumors  
No1MDGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 6:53 pm : link
lBradley Beal odds have surfaced regarding his next team. Lakers sit at 8-1, with the Celtics favored at 3-1, via @SportsBettingAG”
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 6:55 pm : link
No one-as far as I know-questions his talent. He's uber talented. It is just EVERTYTHING else besides that. He's a headcase of the highest order. And even if he was a Knick, I'd have a hard time rooting for him. He just is so unlikable.
RE: Kinda  
BigBlueShock : 6/20/2022 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15736380 DanMetroMan said:
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surprised how few of you guys don't think this is simply Kyrie trying to tighten the screws on the Nets and get as much as he can from them.

It absolutely is. And Kyrie has done absolutely nothing to gouge every dime out of the Nets. In fact, he’s done the opposite. But the Nets owner is weak minded and obsessed with the Nets being “relevant”. They will fold like cheap suits and give Kyrie everything he wants. They sold their souls and now they simply cannot go back.
BBS...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 7:12 pm : link
I would love to sit down with KD & have a couple of adult beverages & get his honest take on Irving. I think it wouldn't be too glowing right now. I think his not getting vaxxed didn't go over well in that locker room, regardless of what people tell the press.
RE: BBS...  
Eric on Li : 6/20/2022 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15736565 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I would love to sit down with KD & have a couple of adult beverages & get his honest take on Irving. I think it wouldn't be too glowing right now. I think his not getting vaxxed didn't go over well in that locker room, regardless of what people tell the press.


i think it's the accumulation of there always being something. last year he went awol, then he got hurt vs milwaukee, then the vax and fight with harden, then after the mandate lifted he slumped, then against boston he got tired while he was fasting.

he's 30 now. durability and conditioning don't get easier if your heart isn't in it. the only thing crazier than giving him a max deal would be giving harden a max deal.
Eric on LI....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 7:20 pm : link
If the 76ers give Harden a max deal-which I suspect won't happen-oh brother...

That contract will be an albatross before the signature is dry. Harden is 33 this summer, isn't exactly a dude who likes to keep himself in shape, & is known to like the nightlife.
RE: BBS...  
BigBlueShock : 6/20/2022 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15736565 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I would love to sit down with KD & have a couple of adult beverages & get his honest take on Irving. I think it wouldn't be too glowing right now. I think his not getting vaxxed didn't go over well in that locker room, regardless of what people tell the press.

It would be more fun to wait a few months so we can get his take on both Kyrie and Simmons. That conversation, if he were drunk and being completely honest, would be stuff of legend.
BBS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 7:21 pm : link
Would be amusing. The Ben Simmons saga needs its own 30 for 30. It is THAT fucking bizarre.
RE: BBS.  
Strahan91 : 6/20/2022 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15736577 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Would be amusing. The Ben Simmons saga needs its own 30 for 30. It is THAT fucking bizarre.

You've never heard of a player missing an entire season because they're afraid to shoot a basketball before?
RE: Knicks can’t be this  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15736360 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Dumb


Late in the pre-FA period a few years ago, it was rumored that the Knicks weren’t interested in Kyrie at all. Now we’re to believe that after witnessing Kyrie’s nonsense this past season, that they want to sign him? I don’t believe it at all regardless of how bad the Knicks need a lead guard.
Strahan91.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2022 7:28 pm : link
Haha. One of the weirdest things I can recall in sports. The whole thing...so fucking odd. And I remember people comparing Simmons to Magic not too long ago.
I don’t see anyway the knicks would have interest.  
Giant John : 6/20/2022 10:23 pm : link
I don’t even think they would be open to a discussion. They would be crazy to want anything to do with that drama queen. I think he will find little if any interest from another team.
Bradley Beal  
GMEN46 : 6/21/2022 6:01 am : link
How could the Celtics and lakers be favorites for Bradley Beal. It would have to be a sign and trade for either team. Celtics aren’t giving up Tatum or Brown so what are they offering Washington that could come even close to the Knicks?

Lakers? Is that a joke, Lakers have no picks and westbrook contract and no good young players.

For Knicks we know they won’t want Randle so I’m offering Obi, Grimes, Rokas and expiring, Noel, Kemba and they would have to take Fournier for money matching purposes with 3 first rounders. They get 2 nice young players and 3 first rounders plus rokas. In this scenario Knicks are resigning Mitch and rolling with:

IQ
Beal
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Rose
Mcbride
Burks
Reddish
Sims
MLE

I would love for it to be Randle over Obi, but it’s not realistic. This team isn’t winning a championship, but I would think they are a top 10 team in the league and they are competing. Beal is perfect compliment to RJ, if RJ, Mitch, Resdish and IQ take another step then a year or 2 from now this team can compete for the ring. I am not a big fan of Randle, but I also realize he is not as bad as we make him out to be and with Beal being a clear #1 over him, I think he can accept that vs RJ and I think him and RJ become co #2’s.

I also think there is huge upside potential for Reddish and IQ, the talent is there just a matter of they get there. If one of these guys hits, then the sky’s the limit for this team.

If this isn’t and option, then I’m offering Portland Randle, Burks, Reddish and Fournier with 2 future firsts and 2 future 2nds for #7, Bledsoe and nurkic expirings.

Knicks go into full young mode. Letting Mitch walk, drafting sochan and Duran or if 7 and 11 is enough to trade up and get Ivey and he is the guy they want them I’m doing that. Knicks will have a really good young core with lots of cap space moving ahead. I know the league doesn’t like bigs anymore, but Duran is super talented and actually could have a good offensive game and sochan could be a special player if the shot develops. Either way he is going to be a do it all type of player on both ends.
RE: Bradley Beal rumors  
shyster : 6/21/2022 7:42 am : link
In comment 15736547 No1MDGiantsFan said:
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lBradley Beal odds have surfaced regarding his next team. Lakers sit at 8-1, with the Celtics favored at 3-1, via @SportsBettingAG”


Those odds only have effect in the event Beal leaves the Wizards.

There are no odds offered on his staying in DC because it is extremely likely that he will and the house doesn't want to give away money.
Here is the thing with Kyrie  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 8:50 am : link
If you are just talking talent he is a top 5 talent int he NBA, saying he will stunt the growth of the youth is simply not true. This isnt Westbrook who controls the ball the entire time he is out there, Irving and Rj can play together pretty easily, Irving is damn good off the ball..

The problem is can you trust Irving that one day he is not going to be like you know what i dont want to be here anymore. 1 day he is happy and then the next he is a distraction and doesnt want to be in the place he is in...

I dont think though he is unhappy in Brooklyn, i think the Nets dont want him anymore and this is their way of controlling the narrative around it..

I think he would be happy in NY and if all it took was Randle and Fournier and maybe a couple of 2nds, i would do it..

He elevates the team immediately and he makes Rjs life so much easier, Irving is a legit number 1 with the right guys around him..

The Shams article is a really good read  
Stu11 : 6/21/2022 8:57 am : link
He lays out the possible scenarios including the cap ramifications really well. Just going by that, if he leaves the most achievable scenario appears to be the Clippers. They are in the same situation as the Lakers cap wise, but have much more attractive pieces to move in an opt-in and trade like Mann and Boston. With the Lakers or Clippers it pretty much has to be an opt-in and trade because they are so far over the cap. Since the Knicks are pretty much right at the cap it can be a sign and trade.
RE: The Shams article is a really good read  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 8:59 am : link
In comment 15736846 Stu11 said:
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He lays out the possible scenarios including the cap ramifications really well. Just going by that, if he leaves the most achievable scenario appears to be the Clippers. They are in the same situation as the Lakers cap wise, but have much more attractive pieces to move in an opt-in and trade like Mann and Boston. With the Lakers or Clippers it pretty much has to be an opt-in and trade because they are so far over the cap. Since the Knicks are pretty much right at the cap it can be a sign and trade.


If there is no returning to the Nets, the Nets need to figure out a trade before the 29th
Nets grant Kyrie Irving permission to seek sign-and-trade packages  
No1MDGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 11:53 am : link

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kyrie-irving-sign-and-trade-permission-20220627-cpm6fimesfez3a6sow2rkgbjdu-story.html - ( New Window )
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