I know a lot of us are not believers in Daniel Jones, me included. He is being given this coming season to lead the team - there's no commitment from the FO being given - and no back hand either. He has been given what appears to be a better Oline and Oline depth with a new Right Tackle Neal, Center Feliciano, and R Guard Glowinski, heck you could argue that Max Garcia is a better back up than any back up and half the starters last year, and there are a few Olineman that may crack the back ups potentially better than him in Ezeudu and McKethan. Saquon will be there to start. He's getting a few new weapons in Robinson, Breida, Bellinger, and James, and they really haven't taken away any weapons from him as Golladay, Toney, and Shepard appear to be returning. Head Trip Engram is gone.
So with all that, a new Head Coach and OC who are Heavy Offensive gurus from high flying winning programs, What does Daniel Jones need to do, or show you, this season to convince you that he should be the NY Giants QB?
No more excuses
Bottom line, he has to start making plays to win games instead of just being a guy who needs someone around him to make a play.
The likelihood of that happening is very small. My guess is the Giants win four or five games next year, and waive goodbye to many veterans, including Jones, Barkley, and Shepard, and maybe even Golladay next offseason. Roster turnover will be even more intense next offseason as the salary cap constraints that hamstrung Schoen this year begin to loosen.
Right now when Daniel Jones drops backs to pass in big spot, I expect him to fail.
I want to feel like, if we are down by 7 and have some time on the clock, the other team fucked up.
I am a galaxy away from that feeling currently.
1) Be a far more consistent and productive player in terms of getting the Offense into the end zone. The Offense needs to be putting up 25 ppg with him as the starting QB.
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2) Not going say a minimum amount of wins, but Jones needs to show a handful of examples (maybe 4-5) where he can put the team on his back and lead them to 4th qtr victories or at least take the lead when he leaves the field for the last time.
The first will show me he can lead a productive Offense and the second will at least begin to convince me he at least has the makeup of a winning QB.
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2) Be a backup QB for the Giants
Stay healthy
If he's going to throw more passes, the turnovers need to stay down.
Score more points.
That to me is not enough. As an example, the Giants putting up a record of 9-8 with Jones as the starting QB where they still put up less than 20 points per game is simply not enough.
As happy (surprised) as I would be the team won 9 games, I would still be shopping for a new QB in 2023.
To me.
“I’m watching Unitas,” he said, “and the velocity was not there. I said to Milt, ‘Can we win with him?’ And he said, ‘Pay attention to what I’m going to tell you.’ He said, ‘You evaluate a quarterback on his ability to take the team down the field in the fourth quarter – especially with a championship on the line – and into the end zone.’ And I will never forget that. I always look for that. - Accorsi
Stats? It's less about that. You want to see 2-1 TD to INT, but the TDs have to be at least in the 20s. And STOP the fumbles.
30 TDs
10 INTs
5 Fumbles
300 rushing yards
62% completion
That's 75% of his win total for his career, so far!
Be significantly better than any of the alternatives, on the field.
Daniel Jones will never be anything close to Eli Manning
He needs to play 15 healthy games, account for 30 TDs and fewer than 15 turnovers — and the Giants need to be above .500.
You can’t give a guy 30M+ a year without a season like that on his belt.
If the cast falters — then what do you do with Jones in 2023?
Im surprised how few people truly acknowledge that.
I am not a DO IT ANYWAYZ guy at the NFL level. So much success/failure is circumstances and Jones has been in the wrong place at the wrong time. We’ll see if he can salvage his career this year, on paper this is easily the best circumstance he’s had.
His fumbling improved from his rookie year. He needs a supporting cast to get to the next level. He isn't "Elite 8" but I think he can be a #9 - 12 type which can take you to a SB but only with help and support.
So Jones doesn't need to do anything himself?
So we have the current roster of players (prior to cutdowns) right now. Is that a semi-competent supporting cast in your opinion?
Im surprised how few people truly acknowledge that
I think all the posters who couldn’t see that for the last four years got embarrassed and stopped posting on BBI.
The key question is the odds the former management got virtually every decision wrong, yet somehow got Daniel Jones right.
His fumbling improved from his rookie year. He needs a supporting cast to get to the next level. He isn't "Elite 8" but I think he can be a #9 - 12 type which can take you to a SB but only with help and support.
Be the reason we win might take a couple of years.
Be the reason we don't lose - should happen a lot sooner. But, what do they do if he has a good season this year and the Giants still finish with 4-5 wins?
I think we are still 2 drafts/off-seasons away from 10+ wins.
That's what I'd like to see.
A "middling season" could actually put us in a playoff hunt. Would that suck?
I do not think Jones will get us to that mark but I'm not really set on it either. 9 or 10 wins means we are likely in the playoffs and that would absolutely not suck. I'll let the GM figure out what to do with him in this scenario.
30 TDs
10 INTs
5 Fumbles
300 rushing yards
62% completion
Statistically that would put him firmly outside of the top 10 in today's NFL. That completion percentage would be bottom 10.
Pass friendly league, 17 games...those numbers just don't cut it for a QB entering his 4th year.
I like Jones, I hope he can become the guy, I doubt that he will, but I’m rooting for him
I’m neutral on what happens after 2022, but make no mistake, It’d be the best thing for the organization if he turned into the guy.
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4000 yards
30 TDs
10 INTs
5 Fumbles
300 rushing yards
62% completion
Statistically that would put him firmly outside of the top 10 in today's NFL. That completion percentage would be bottom 10.
Pass friendly league, 17 games...those numbers just don't cut it for a QB entering his 4th year.
That's ridiculous. A 3:1 TD ratio would put him in upper tier company yet the completion % is what you'd fixate on? The above season would almost guarantee the playoffs. Of the 9 QB's to throw 30+ TD's only 4 had a 3:1 TD ratio or better.
Jones has one year and then we need to make a decision to re-sign him. Be realistic about what that year would need to be like for us to cut a check for him to stick around.
Kirk Cousins isn't someone you pay top dollar for, but you can win with his skillset. He just hasn't put it together when it matters (happens to even better QB's too).
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The sooner he's out of here, the better. nothing short of a Kurt Warner type 1999 season will save his ass here. What I don't wanna see is a midling type of season. Enough already.
A "middling season" could actually put us in a playoff hunt. Would that suck?
I do not think Jones will get us to that mark but I'm not really set on it either. 9 or 10 wins means we are likely in the playoffs and that would absolutely not suck. I'll let the GM figure out what to do with him in this scenario.
The goal is to win championships. Herbert can do that. Jones is no Herbert. Time to dump this chicken dinner. DJ is what Parcells would classify as a "hold the fort" type of player until the cavalry arrives. The cavalry being one of the QBs in next year's draft.
A middling type season could easily be 7 or 8 wins too with decent stats. This guy needs to go. He can't see the game like a top level QB does. He gets hurt and fumbles the ball away. Enough.
He’s pretty durable, will hover around .500, and get you into the playoffs every 3 or 4 years.
He’s accurate and doesn’t turn the ball over. He’s a pretty good QB — it’s a comp Jones would need to take a couple of steps up to reach.
Kirk Cousins isn't someone you pay top dollar for, but you can win with his skillset. He just hasn't put it together when it matters (happens to even better QB's too).
I tend to agree with this stance....If all he'll ever be is a Cousins, I'll take it. We don't have a pipeline of QB's running to play for our team. So I'd take top 15-20 QB play until we "hit" on the next QB (which could be as soon as April 2023).
If he meets/exceeds those stats, he's probably worth keeping around for another couple or three years (yes, pay him in 2023).
Hoping he's not a Brown, Kanell, Graham. But even Simms/Hostetler had success as mid tier QB's. Point being, you can win without elite QB play.....just look at Trent Dilfer's, Brad Johnson's out there