I know a lot of us are not believers in Daniel Jones, me included. He is being given this coming season to lead the team - there's no commitment from the FO being given - and no back hand either. He has been given what appears to be a better Oline and Oline depth with a new Right Tackle Neal, Center Feliciano, and R Guard Glowinski, heck you could argue that Max Garcia is a better back up than any back up and half the starters last year, and there are a few Olineman that may crack the back ups potentially better than him in Ezeudu and McKethan. Saquon will be there to start. He's getting a few new weapons in Robinson, Breida, Bellinger, and James, and they really haven't taken away any weapons from him as Golladay, Toney, and Shepard appear to be returning. Head Trip Engram is gone.
So with all that, a new Head Coach and OC who are Heavy Offensive gurus from high flying winning programs, What does Daniel Jones need to do, or show you, this season to convince you that he should be the NY Giants QB?
He’s pretty durable, will hover around .500, and get you into the playoffs every 3 or 4 years.
He’s accurate and doesn’t turn the ball over. He’s a pretty good QB — it’s a comp Jones would need to take a couple of steps up to reach.
Exactly. The OP is asking what we need to "believe" as in re-sign and forgo draftin a QB in what might be a loaded QB year. "Might be Kirk Cousins someday" doesn't do it for me.
He's a goner.
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The sooner he's out of here, the better. nothing short of a Kurt Warner type 1999 season will save his ass here. What I don't wanna see is a midling type of season. Enough already.
A "middling season" could actually put us in a playoff hunt. Would that suck?
I do not think Jones will get us to that mark but I'm not really set on it either. 9 or 10 wins means we are likely in the playoffs and that would absolutely not suck. I'll let the GM figure out what to do with him in this scenario.
As opposed to other scenarios where BBI decides?
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Cousins is the modern floor for an OK-to-good QB — in basically all respects.
He’s pretty durable, will hover around .500, and get you into the playoffs every 3 or 4 years.
He’s accurate and doesn’t turn the ball over. He’s a pretty good QB — it’s a comp Jones would need to take a couple of steps up to reach.
Exactly. The OP is asking what we need to "believe" as in re-sign and forgo draftin a QB in what might be a loaded QB year. "Might be Kirk Cousins someday" doesn't do it for me.
Nor should it.
That is like going for it on 4th Down once or twice and still eventually punting the ball away...
He’s plenty fast in a straight line but when I watch him in the pocket - he looks less mobile than Eli did running which is odd.
I know people shit on Golladay and Toney - but they are more than capable WRs who can make plays when called upon.
You're not going to field goal the league to death. Sure, you can have 2-3 games a year where your defense holds Carolina to 3 points or Philly to 7 points or scores for you as they did against Vegas, but you're not going to get far in the NFL in 2022.
Perfect way to summarize Jones career is that long drive against Pittsburgh in 2020. Great drive, moved the ball very well and threw that infuriating interception and the Giants walk away with NOTHING.
Just show improvement. It will take 2-3 years for this rebuild and for Daboll and Schoen to put their stamp on this team
You're not going to field goal the league to death. Sure, you can have 2-3 games a year where your defense holds Carolina to 3 points or Philly to 7 points or scores for you as they did against Vegas, but you're not going to get far in the NFL in 2022.
Perfect way to summarize Jones career is that long drive against Pittsburgh in 2020. Great drive, moved the ball very well and threw that infuriating interception and the Giants walk away with NOTHING.
What does any of this have to do with the OPs question?
Anyway, 2-3 year rebuild? Teams have proven you can turn things around very quickly, so again, we're doing this same preparation thing where we are in denial the Giants will not be good?
"It takes time"
Kirk Cousins isn't someone you pay top dollar for, but you can win with his skillset. He just hasn't put it together when it matters (happens to even better QB's too).
And that's the point, really, when it comes to QB contracts. Kirk Cousins being paid at his actual skill level would allow the Vikings 1-2 more blue chip players (or 4-5 red chip players) that might have gotten them over the hump of mediocrity.
Anyway, 2-3 year rebuild? Teams have proven you can turn things around very quickly, so again, we're doing this same preparation thing where we are in denial the Giants will not be good?
"It takes time"
You didn’t answer the question. You saw a Jones thread and salivated at the opportunity to complain and couldn’t even muster up the balls to forego that and answer a pretty simple question. I guess you also glossed over the many times I’ve stated I don’t think he can hit that mark.
Take Jones and the Giants out of the equation. What’s a good season for an NFL QB?
It’s really not that simple.
I've said that many times I don't think Jones would even be a good QB (or the same QB) on another team. Pointing out that the team doesn't come away with TDs in the redzone under Jones is a problem with you? My God.
I want Jones gone. Guess what? I also answered OP's in this very thread, it was my first post. I was in the "wait until 2020 to draft Herbert" camp.
Take Jones out of the equation and what? I'd rather it be Herbert. But I might go with Dalton over Jones, which is sad.
He does it just to piss me off haha
Number two - Score points... average at least 24 pts per game. Throw for 4000 yards and 30 TDs at least.
Number three - win games... tough to say how many because we really don't know what this team is yet but he needs to start winning more of the close games.
Let's hear what it would take
don't get tangled up
Let's hear what it would take
don't get tangled up
I tried, it ain’t gonna happen
You just cannot make a financial commitment to a guy who can’t produce ~30 TDs and a winning season.
If Jones is a Giant in 2023 he’s very likely to be on 30.5M franchise tender or a 30M AAV deal.
Imagine investing in a guy who has never led a winning season or produced points like a top third QB.
Part of me wishes you were close to being right and I could see a scenario where the Giants were actually close to sniffing the playoffs. Jones could be good for filling in for a game or 2 (17 games now) but that's his ceiling.
Oh yeah. Forgot my platitudes.
"He's a good kid"
Phenomenal point. I agree with this statement.
So, basically, do the impossible.
He’s gone after this year.
Back up QB’s aren’t as nitpicked. That’s DJ’s future. This is his last rodeo as a starting QB in the NFL.
That seems like a pretty decent bar for the Giants to do the same.
Be the reason we win might take a couple of years.
Unfortunately, at least in a lot of fans' minds, his window of opportunity is this year. Anything he has to show, he's got to do it right now. What is really curious is whether the staff feels this way too. I imagine they do.
I think he can do it and I am half expecting him to come through based on the setup he seems to be getting. Finally we seem to be doing right by our QB. Now he has to do his part and be the legit starting, caliber better than average, even top 10 if he has it anywhere in him QB. Right now.
I would love nothing more than to see Jones make some big time plays in big spots, lead the team to wins, not screw things up when it's all on him, and the team threatening if not making the playoffs. That would be so sweet.
But I'll stick with my simple answer. Don't lose games, do win games. Simple as that.
Anyone that wants a stat, how about this one - be awarded at least 10 game balls. That's a guy who is doing his part and is a winner more than he is a loser.
2. Via 1...Show that he can occasionally make a play even when the play looks like it isn't there
3. Show that he can throw touchdowns
2. Via 1...Show that he can occasionally make a play even when the play looks like it isn't there
3. Show that he can throw touchdowns
If Barkley some how becomes the first guy to reach 20 rushing TDs in 15+ seasons, and Jones contributes 25 — the Giants would need another 3-5 TDs and 25-30 FGs to be a middle tier offense.
Not that there's anything magical about 10, but its definitely around the minimum standard to have a contender
Mahomes
Rodgers
Brady
Allen
Wilson
Burrow
Stafford
Herbert
That's 8. To be in the top 10 Jones needs to be better than most of - Dak, Kyler, Lamar, Carr, Cousins, Tannehill, Watson and anyone else im forgetting.
That's a long way to climb for a guy whos trying to be better than Davis Mills, Wentz, Tua, Mayfield, Hurts, etc.
If Jones by some miracle is legit top 10, I would franchise him and make him do it again. And if he did it again, I'd sign him to a big deal. Thats the bar.
Me too. I'm disappointed he's still our problem
if he goes 9-8 and stops with the fumbling maybe he gets another year
I am not optimistic
The state of this team is not such that a superstar QB will automatically make us superbowl contenders.
The notion of "put the team on your back" is bullshit. The best a QB can do is doing his part to win. Read the defense. Make the calls. Make the throws. That isn't putting the team on your back. That's doing your job. beyond that, a QB can't make WRs better. He can't make a RB hit the hole. He can't make the OL open a hole. All he can do is read and set a play.
What DJ needs to do is show he can read, set, and execute his part. Sans some magical season, results wise, he could do everything he needs to, and some of you will refuse to see it.
For me, he needs to show he is part of the solution, not part of the problem. Not show he is on his way to being part of the solution, but actually be a part. Very few, if any, QBs are the entire solution.
Not bird dog his primary receiver
Sense the pocket collapsing
Move and throw accurately on the run
Not fumble
Throw accurately
We went from dreams of him being Kirk Cousins to now Tom Brady overnight!
Lol. Nice.