I know a lot of us are not believers in Daniel Jones, me included. He is being given this coming season to lead the team - there's no commitment from the FO being given - and no back hand either. He has been given what appears to be a better Oline and Oline depth with a new Right Tackle Neal, Center Feliciano, and R Guard Glowinski, heck you could argue that Max Garcia is a better back up than any back up and half the starters last year, and there are a few Olineman that may crack the back ups potentially better than him in Ezeudu and McKethan. Saquon will be there to start. He's getting a few new weapons in Robinson, Breida, Bellinger, and James, and they really haven't taken away any weapons from him as Golladay, Toney, and Shepard appear to be returning. Head Trip Engram is gone.
So with all that, a new Head Coach and OC who are Heavy Offensive gurus from high flying winning programs, What does Daniel Jones need to do, or show you, this season to convince you that he should be the NY Giants QB?
That's it.
I'm with you.
>30 TDs
<15 INTs
10+ Wins
>30 TDs
<15 INTs
10+ Wins
What do you think you'd get for him in return?
A punter?
62.4% completions
27 passing TD, 1 rushing TD
7 INTs
TD:INT 3.85:1
I want to see Jones get top 8 yards and a Y/A 7.5+ to make me consider rolling with him in 2023 and beyond.
Eli Manning?
I'm not sure there needs to be a specific number of yards or TD's.
He's got to complete at least 65% of his passes.
I really don't think Jones is the long-term solution here. But, if he totals 30+ passing/rushing TD's, completes over 65% a clip and the Giants are an average-at-worst offense or anything above average, I'd reconsider my current stance.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bad offensive line.
He did cut down in recent years but the turnovers he was guilty of were fatal blows to drives.
(See: Pittsburgh 2020, LA Rams 2020, Denver 2021)
I DO think he had good games the Giants lost too ...
The "Engram drop game" against the Eagles and the game against the Fart Bombs or Football Team or BDSMers, or whatever the hell they were called last year.
Number two - Score points... average at least 24 pts per game. Throw for 4000 yards and 30 TDs at least.
Number three - win games... tough to say how many because we really don't know what this team is yet but he needs to start winning more of the close games.
Good list. Your numbers are reasonable, but the numbers don't matter as much to me if the wins are there. I would like to see some 4th quarter wins/clutch. Sometimes it takes that to get over the hump for a young QB.
Much improved 2-minute offense
Much better in the red zone
Stay on the field, don't get hurt again
Show that he can progress through reads quickly
Show that he can put the team on his back and win
Win a least the first round of the playoffs
He has had too many excuses for too long.
His first4 game of the year... I don't expect him to produce like that all season but close to that level would certainly make me a believer. Only the low volume of TDs stand out.
Projecting his first 4 games over 17 you get:
408/612 for 66.7%
5,032 yards passing with only 4 INTs.
Only negative is the last of TDs- projected 17
That's a projection based on 4 actual games to start last year. Not funny stats.
Those 4 games - with fewer yards but more TDs - have to be what he brings all season. I am a Jones skeptic, was more of a skeptic before last year but I liked those first 4 games. He needs to bring that for a season.
His first4 game of the year... I don't expect him to produce like that all season but close to that level would certainly make me a believer. Only the low volume of TDs stand out.
Projecting his first 4 games over 17 you get:
408/612 for 66.7%
5,032 yards passing with only 4 INTs.
Only negative is the last of TDs- projected 17
That's a projection based on 4 actual games to start last year. Not funny stats.
Those 4 games - with fewer yards but more TDs - have to be what he brings all season. I am a Jones skeptic, was more of a skeptic before last year but I liked those first 4 games. He needs to bring that for a season.
*** Precidiction *** News Flash *** 17 TDs *** If Jones only throws 17 TDs this season *** News Flash *** He will be lynched
Nothing short of Jones having a great season statistically in the top 5-8 in every key metric - QBR, YPA, AY/A, TDs, completion %, PPG - convinces me he's worth keeping in 2023.
Burrow got there in year 2. This isn't necessarily true.
If you get the right guy, you don't need to wait years and years any longer. Those days are gone.
Bottom line, he has to start making plays to win games instead of just being a guy who needs someone around him to make a play.
^^THIS^^
- John Mara
QBs come in and make an immediate impact now. Combined with resetting the QB salary by means of the rookie contract, short of an all time great season it makes no sense to keep Jones after '22.
A rookie QB will be better and cheaper
If he can't do it and do it well, it will be time to move on and give another QB a chance. There's no reason to pay a suspect QB a market rate deal if there's little sign of big things to come.
Play within the scheme.
And as the season progresses go downfield more and more.
I think he has most of the skills required to be a very good QB just not elite 8 that many speak to all the time. He doesn't have the arm and hasn't shown the pocket presence to do what say a Wilson, Mahomes or Rodgers can do but he does enough things well to win you games and get you to the promised land IF he is protected and supported with a run game.
His first four games are pre-season and his next four are his "evaluation" period. You either go forward with him next year or you draft a QB. I don't see UFA as an option. The cap may be part of the decision UNLESS he shows he is the guy without question.