Jake Fischer has a notebook coming out this morning and Bleacher Report is releasing some snippets..
Nets are offering Kyrie a shorter term incentive laden deal, expected to talk up until the 29th deadline..
Knicks are trying to clear 25 million to sign Brunson
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and then normal disappointment sets per usual.
Lol the other only exciting days a year for Knicks fans are the days leading up to the draft and free agency. We entertain ourselves with BS rumors and then reality sets in and we do nothing.
When you haven't won a championship since 1973, it's the little things that matter lol.
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This really doesn't make any sense to me.
How can they possibly keep him when he was so lousy on and off the court last year ?
On top of that, the young guys play better playing at a faster pace while he likes to hold the ball and slow the game down putting the offense at a standstill .
Last but most important, He completely blocks OBI development who will only get 13 minutes a night if Randle is still here.
The most important issue is getting rid of Randle and everything else should be secondary
I don't agree with it but my guess is he doesn't have any trade value. If this regime has shown us anything it's that they're all about asset maximization and they're probably hoping he can have a bounce back year rather than attach a pick to move him.
They might be thinking let's try to maximize JR as an asset and then trade him at a later point, but at what cost ?
While they are trying to rehabilitate his value, they are depreciating OBI and Quickley values at the same time (especially OBI) so in the long run nothing is accomplished . This is best case scenario.
Worst case scenario , Randle has another miserable year and now he is a negative asset and it will take multiple attached 1st round picks to dump him.
At least now they can trade him while his deal is neutral and let the young kids free and build around that core and play at a faster pace.
@ChrisBHaynes
Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports
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Ivey is just a pipe dream.
Yeah i feel like in the end if there is a way to make a deal, i think the Knicks will end up doing it..
RJ has potential to be a very good player but never had the upside of Ivey.
We are not getting a top 10 player to come here so you better grow one, take the shot go all in.
Randle doesn't want to be here. He doesn't want to be here. Let's find a way to cut ties.
"The Thunder are aggressively trying to trade up from No. 12 with their primary targets being Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe to pair with Chet Holmgren at No. 2, per @DraftExpress"
Also said he expects the Knicks to be agressive in clearing space for Brunson..
"The Thunder are aggressively trying to trade up from No. 12 with their primary targets being Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe to pair with Chet Holmgren at No. 2, per @DraftExpress"
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Wanted to clarify, there is a report from
@esidery
quoting Givony about OKC trying to trade up for Sharpe or Ivey.
This isn't new & has been said for weeks in his mocks, really isn't anything happening right now we know of & Woj didn't mention OKC as one of the teams trading up
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray
Holiday was two unprotected firsts, one lightly protected first and two pick swaps. That’s a dangerous move for the Knicks (less so for a contending team)
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray
Holiday was two unprotected firsts, one lightly protected first and two pick swaps. That’s a dangerous move for the Knicks (less so for a contending team)
Murray is an absolute stud on both ends..
If you can keep Iq, Rj and Obi out if the deal, probably would have to include 1 but id absolutely love to have him over paying Brunson 25 million a year
I would counter that Murray IS a star PG. About his only weakness is shooting the 3- and he’s vastly better than Rose in that area. Murray is also a solid on-ball defender- lead the league in steals this season. He also had about a 3.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio.
I’d give up a good bit to get that kind of PG with the Knicks.
LOL. If Leon Rose can pull off trading a bunch of our trash for Brogdon, that would be awesome.
So was Derrick Rose, Thibs loves big guards who get downhil and attack the rim, Ivey is actually a perfect fit for him
By all accounts Knicks have been 1 of the more agressive teams in trade talks..so we will see
Either they have intel on something or for some reason a ton of bets started coming in on Banchero
And that was definitely because of info leaking from Browns.
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Do you guys feel good about Thibs as his HC? I feel from what I am reading that it just isn't a good match. It sounds like Ivey is at his best when pushing the ball.
So was Derrick Rose, Thibs loves big guards who get downhil and attack the rim, Ivey is actually a perfect fit for him
Thibs likes to run, which is probably why his half court offense is so hard to watch lol.
They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.
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Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.
Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands
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As team boards finalize today, the 1-2-3 of the NBA Draft is increasingly firm, per sources: Jabari Smith to Orlando, Chet Holmgren to Oklahoma City and Paolo Banchero to Houston.
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Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.
Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands
There are other teams in the hunt for #4, so Sac is in the drivers seat on the bidding.
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Steve Popper
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Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.
Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands
There are other teams in the hunt for #4, so Sac is in the drivers seat on the bidding.
Of course they are..They are in a good position and know it
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unless we’re talking about a legit top player. Murray is really good but he’s not Luka Doncic. The Knicks aren’t in a place where they can risk missing out on a guy that could be like Wembanyama.
I would counter that Murray IS a star PG. About his only weakness is shooting the 3- and he’s vastly better than Rose in that area. Murray is also a solid on-ball defender- lead the league in steals this season. He also had about a 3.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio.
I’d give up a good bit to get that kind of PG with the Knicks.
I'm well aware of how good Murray is but as the #1 option his team won 3 fewer games than the Knicks with one of the best HC's of all time. Maybe I'm just scarred from the IT years but it would remind me of the Marbury deal who at the time was a great player who hadn't won much anywhere he'd been.
Also, what does it say about Murray that Popovich and Buford would be willing to deal him if that is indeed true? I actually doubt he gets moved, I think it's just one of those noisy storylines this time of year. I don't see how John Collins would be interesting enough to them as a centerpiece to deal Murray.
Quite possibly the worst comparison I’ve ever seen. If AJ Griffin was “underwhelming” in college, then Cole Anthony had the most ignominious 4 months for a high recruit not named Pat Baldwin this century.
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He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.
They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.
I disagree. They had the players to do it and when they were doing it well, they were pulled for players that slowed things down.
Im not saying i want to offer SA the moon for him and i agree that i think this is mostly BS and he doesnt get moved.
Im not saying i want to offer SA the moon for him and i agree that i think this is mostly BS and he doesnt get moved.
For one, Keldon Johnson is a good player as is Poetl and Derrick White was on the team for half the year. It's not like the Knicks have a stacked team and they were better than SA even with Randle being a major net negative all year. Great players can usually carry a team to playing .500 ball, not winning doesn't mean not winning a championship or being a contender. If you're currently sporting a lottery roster then if you're going to trade 3 firsts (2 at least unprotected) and 2 pick swaps you should be getting a top 15 player
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He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.
They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.
I disagree. They had the players to do it and when they were doing it well, they were pulled for players that slowed things down.
They do have the players they are on the bench watching slow moving ISO Randle.
He did this with Rose in Chicago only because he had to based on the talent Rose was.
We have seen him slow the ball to a grind for 2 years Knicks are the worst in pace.
It's going to be funny watching Ivey push the ball and it taking Randle 10 seconds to get up the court.