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NFT: Knicks Chat: Draft 2 days away

nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 9:04 am
Jake Fischer has a notebook coming out this morning and Bleacher Report is releasing some snippets..

Nets are offering Kyrie a shorter term incentive laden deal, expected to talk up until the 29th deadline..

Knicks are trying to clear 25 million to sign Brunson
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RE: RE: Only one more day of fake Knicks draft rumors...  
GFAN52 : 6/22/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15738419 Stu11 said:
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and then normal disappointment sets per usual.


Lol the other only exciting days a year for Knicks fans are the days leading up to the draft and free agency. We entertain ourselves with BS rumors and then reality sets in and we do nothing.


When you haven't won a championship since 1973, it's the little things that matter lol.
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Giantfan21 : 6/22/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15738317 Strahan91 said:
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This really doesn't make any sense to me.

How can they possibly keep him when he was so lousy on and off the court last year ?

On top of that, the young guys play better playing at a faster pace while he likes to hold the ball and slow the game down putting the offense at a standstill .

Last but most important, He completely blocks OBI development who will only get 13 minutes a night if Randle is still here.

The most important issue is getting rid of Randle and everything else should be secondary


I don't agree with it but my guess is he doesn't have any trade value. If this regime has shown us anything it's that they're all about asset maximization and they're probably hoping he can have a bounce back year rather than attach a pick to move him.


They might be thinking let's try to maximize JR as an asset and then trade him at a later point, but at what cost ?

While they are trying to rehabilitate his value, they are depreciating OBI and Quickley values at the same time (especially OBI) so in the long run nothing is accomplished . This is best case scenario.

Worst case scenario , Randle has another miserable year and now he is a negative asset and it will take multiple attached 1st round picks to dump him.

At least now they can trade him while his deal is neutral and let the young kids free and build around that core and play at a faster pace.
Well I never get my hopes up  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2022 8:47 pm : link
but the Knicks have as good a chance as anyone in this Ivey pursuit - the pick is clearly up for grabs and they want him.
Not sure if this was posted...  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2022 8:54 pm : link
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports
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I don’t believe Randle is a neutral asset right now,  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 8:59 pm : link
he’s a tough player to fit on most teams and you don’t know which version you’re going to get.
We are conditioned to prepare for disappointment. Unless they trade  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/22/2022 9:06 pm : link
the pick for a future 2nd rounder, I'm resigned to them picking between Branham and Griffin. Certainly two talented players, I don't know whom I like better though. Griffin seems more vertically explosive while Branham has more lateral quickness. Too bad we already have a bunch of 2/3's on the team.

Ivey is just a pipe dream.
RE: Well I never get my hopes up  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15738441 bceagle05 said:
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but the Knicks have as good a chance as anyone in this Ivey pursuit - the pick is clearly up for grabs and they want him.


Yeah i feel like in the end if there is a way to make a deal, i think the Knicks will end up doing it..
I don't think the Knicks have a choice  
larryflower37 : 6/22/2022 9:21 pm : link
But to go all in on Ivey. It's the shot this FO need to take. He has the potential to be a top 10 talent in the league and let's be honest the Knicks have not had anyone with his potential in decades.
RJ has potential to be a very good player but never had the upside of Ivey.
We are not getting a top 10 player to come here so you better grow one, take the shot go all in.
If Grimes  
Giantfootball025 : 6/22/2022 9:25 pm : link
is the player we have to part with along with picks I'm fine with that. Players like him can be found elsewhere. We have to take a shot for a star. They aren't good enough to win a championship, but they aren't bad enough to pick atop the lottery either.
Kris pursiainen  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 9:31 pm : link
said he heard from a trusted source that the front office told Randle IF he is back it will be in a reduced role..

RE: Kris pursiainen  
Anakim : 6/22/2022 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15738467 nygiants16 said:
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said he heard from a trusted source that the front office told Randle IF he is back it will be in a reduced role..


Randle doesn't want to be here. He doesn't want to be here. Let's find a way to cut ties.
Apparently the Thunder are also trying to trade up  
Anakim : 6/22/2022 9:46 pm : link
to pair either Ivey or Sharpe with Holmgren
Having trouble posting and reading  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2022 9:48 pm : link
Site infected???
OKC looking to move up for Ivey  
GFAN52 : 6/22/2022 9:48 pm : link
and they are loaded with picks. Still don't see the how the Knicks move up for him.

"The Thunder are aggressively trying to trade up from No. 12 with their primary targets being Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe to pair with Chet Holmgren at No. 2, per @DraftExpress"
woj says  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 10:06 pm : link
He expects a lot of trades in the next 24 hours..

Also said he expects the Knicks to be agressive in clearing space for Brunson..
RE: OKC looking to move up for Ivey  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15738473 GFAN52 said:
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and they are loaded with picks. Still don't see the how the Knicks move up for him.

"The Thunder are aggressively trying to trade up from No. 12 with their primary targets being Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe to pair with Chet Holmgren at No. 2, per @DraftExpress"


TF
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Wanted to clarify, there is a report from
@esidery
quoting Givony about OKC trying to trade up for Sharpe or Ivey.

This isn't new & has been said for weeks in his mocks, really isn't anything happening right now we know of & Woj didn't mention OKC as one of the teams trading up
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 10:20 pm : link
Jake Fischer
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15738487 DanMetroMan said:
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Jake Fischer
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray
Fischer also says  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 10:28 pm : link
Knicks are not offering 11 for brogdon, its a combo of Burks, noel, Kemba, Fournier and Cam
Kuzma  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 10:29 pm : link
will land in Indiana in a Brogdon deal watch lol.
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Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15738493 nygiants16 said:
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Jake Fischer
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray

Holiday was two unprotected firsts, one lightly protected first and two pick swaps. That’s a dangerous move for the Knicks (less so for a contending team)
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nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 10:33 pm : link
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Jake Fischer
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray


Holiday was two unprotected firsts, one lightly protected first and two pick swaps. That’s a dangerous move for the Knicks (less so for a contending team)


Murray is an absolute stud on both ends..

If you can keep Iq, Rj and Obi out if the deal, probably would have to include 1 but id absolutely love to have him over paying Brunson 25 million a year
I’m not trading multiple unprotected Knicks picks  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 10:37 pm : link
unless we’re talking about a legit top player. Murray is really good but he’s not Luka Doncic. The Knicks aren’t in a place where they can risk missing out on a guy that could be like Wembanyama.
RE: I’m not trading multiple unprotected Knicks picks  
rich in DC : 6/22/2022 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15738500 Strahan91 said:
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unless we’re talking about a legit top player. Murray is really good but he’s not Luka Doncic. The Knicks aren’t in a place where they can risk missing out on a guy that could be like Wembanyama.


I would counter that Murray IS a star PG. About his only weakness is shooting the 3- and he’s vastly better than Rose in that area. Murray is also a solid on-ball defender- lead the league in steals this season. He also had about a 3.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio.

I’d give up a good bit to get that kind of PG with the Knicks.
RE: Fischer also says  
Anakim : 6/22/2022 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15738494 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks are not offering 11 for brogdon, its a combo of Burks, noel, Kemba, Fournier and Cam


LOL. If Leon Rose can pull off trading a bunch of our trash for Brogdon, that would be awesome.
Draft day!  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/23/2022 5:47 am : link
LFG men! 'I do not know what course others make take, but as for me...give me Ivey or give me death!'
Wonder if the front office is going to be aggressive  
Jan in DC : 6/23/2022 7:36 am : link
Or play it safe again. Either way today is going to be an interesting day. Hope we get a load of rumors and movement around the league.
Lets say we get Ivey,  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 7:37 am : link
Do you guys feel good about Thibs as his HC? I feel from what I am reading that it just isn't a good match. It sounds like Ivey is at his best when pushing the ball.
Don't  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2022 7:43 am : link
really understand how the sports books work, but Banchero is now the favorite to go #1
RE: Lets say we get Ivey,  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 7:49 am : link
In comment 15738575 robbieballs2003 said:
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Do you guys feel good about Thibs as his HC? I feel from what I am reading that it just isn't a good match. It sounds like Ivey is at his best when pushing the ball.


So was Derrick Rose, Thibs loves big guards who get downhil and attack the rim, Ivey is actually a perfect fit for him
RE: Wonder if the front office is going to be aggressive  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 7:49 am : link
In comment 15738574 Jan in DC said:
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Or play it safe again. Either way today is going to be an interesting day. Hope we get a load of rumors and movement around the league.


By all accounts Knicks have been 1 of the more agressive teams in trade talks..so we will see
RE: Don't  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 7:50 am : link
In comment 15738577 DanMetroMan said:
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really understand how the sports books work, but Banchero is now the favorite to go #1


Either they have intel on something or for some reason a ton of bets started coming in on Banchero
I think Orlando takes  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/23/2022 7:56 am : link
Smith Jr.
Article on betting shift  
shyster : 6/23/2022 8:19 am : link
Reminiscent of the dramatic overnight and draft day betting shift to Baker Mayfield in 2018.

And that was definitely because of info leaking from Browns.

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RE: RE: Lets say we get Ivey,  
Heisenberg : 6/23/2022 8:27 am : link
In comment 15738579 nygiants16 said:
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Do you guys feel good about Thibs as his HC? I feel from what I am reading that it just isn't a good match. It sounds like Ivey is at his best when pushing the ball.



So was Derrick Rose, Thibs loves big guards who get downhil and attack the rim, Ivey is actually a perfect fit for him


Thibs likes to run, which is probably why his half court offense is so hard to watch lol.
He does?  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 8:28 am : link
He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.
RE: He does?  
Heisenberg : 6/23/2022 8:30 am : link
In comment 15738595 robbieballs2003 said:
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He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.


They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.
Boo.  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 8:32 am : link
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.
NY Post's final mock - AJ Griffin  
GFAN52 : 6/23/2022 8:38 am : link
There are similarities to Cole Anthony in the sharpshooting Griffin. He comes from NBA bloodlines, he was a huge recruit and now there are doubts after an underwhelming one year in college. But he’s a big guard who can stretch the floor and, while there are injury concerns, Griffin is one of the youngest players in the draft — he doesn’t turn 19 until late August — and has a considerably high ceiling.

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RE: Boo.  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 8:42 am : link
In comment 15738597 Strahan91 said:
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.


Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2022 8:43 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
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As team boards finalize today, the 1-2-3 of the NBA Draft is increasingly firm, per sources: Jabari Smith to Orlando, Chet Holmgren to Oklahoma City and Paolo Banchero to Houston.
RE: RE: Boo.  
GFAN52 : 6/23/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15738605 nygiants16 said:
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.



Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands


There are other teams in the hunt for #4, so Sac is in the drivers seat on the bidding.
RE: RE: RE: Boo.  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 8:48 am : link
In comment 15738609 GFAN52 said:
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.



Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands



There are other teams in the hunt for #4, so Sac is in the drivers seat on the bidding.


Of course they are..They are in a good position and know it
Griffin  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 8:54 am : link
Would be an awful pick
RE: RE: I’m not trading multiple unprotected Knicks picks  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 9:04 am : link
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unless we’re talking about a legit top player. Murray is really good but he’s not Luka Doncic. The Knicks aren’t in a place where they can risk missing out on a guy that could be like Wembanyama.



I would counter that Murray IS a star PG. About his only weakness is shooting the 3- and he’s vastly better than Rose in that area. Murray is also a solid on-ball defender- lead the league in steals this season. He also had about a 3.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio.

I’d give up a good bit to get that kind of PG with the Knicks.

I'm well aware of how good Murray is but as the #1 option his team won 3 fewer games than the Knicks with one of the best HC's of all time. Maybe I'm just scarred from the IT years but it would remind me of the Marbury deal who at the time was a great player who hadn't won much anywhere he'd been.

Also, what does it say about Murray that Popovich and Buford would be willing to deal him if that is indeed true? I actually doubt he gets moved, I think it's just one of those noisy storylines this time of year. I don't see how John Collins would be interesting enough to them as a centerpiece to deal Murray.
RE: NY Post's final mock - AJ Griffin  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/23/2022 9:07 am : link
In comment 15738601 GFAN52 said:
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There are similarities to Cole Anthony in the sharpshooting Griffin. He comes from NBA bloodlines, he was a huge recruit and now there are doubts after an underwhelming one year in college. But he’s a big guard who can stretch the floor and, while there are injury concerns, Griffin is one of the youngest players in the draft — he doesn’t turn 19 until late August — and has a considerably high ceiling. Link - ( New Window )


Quite possibly the worst comparison I’ve ever seen. If AJ Griffin was “underwhelming” in college, then Cole Anthony had the most ignominious 4 months for a high recruit not named Pat Baldwin this century.
RE: RE: He does?  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 9:09 am : link
In comment 15738596 Heisenberg said:
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He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.



They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.


I disagree. They had the players to do it and when they were doing it well, they were pulled for players that slowed things down.
Spurs roster was awful...  
Italianju : 6/23/2022 9:10 am : link
who was the second best player on the team? Keldon Johnson? Poeltl? Sorry i just dont love the "guy hasnt wont" argument in the NBA. Tons of guys dont win until they get a better team around them. Im not sure how many guys on SA would have even started on the Knicks.

Im not saying i want to offer SA the moon for him and i agree that i think this is mostly BS and he doesnt get moved.
RE: Spurs roster was awful...  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 9:29 am : link
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who was the second best player on the team? Keldon Johnson? Poeltl? Sorry i just dont love the "guy hasnt wont" argument in the NBA. Tons of guys dont win until they get a better team around them. Im not sure how many guys on SA would have even started on the Knicks.

Im not saying i want to offer SA the moon for him and i agree that i think this is mostly BS and he doesnt get moved.

For one, Keldon Johnson is a good player as is Poetl and Derrick White was on the team for half the year. It's not like the Knicks have a stacked team and they were better than SA even with Randle being a major net negative all year. Great players can usually carry a team to playing .500 ball, not winning doesn't mean not winning a championship or being a contender. If you're currently sporting a lottery roster then if you're going to trade 3 firsts (2 at least unprotected) and 2 pick swaps you should be getting a top 15 player
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larryflower37 : 6/23/2022 10:33 am : link
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He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.



They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.



I disagree. They had the players to do it and when they were doing it well, they were pulled for players that slowed things down.

They do have the players they are on the bench watching slow moving ISO Randle.
He did this with Rose in Chicago only because he had to based on the talent Rose was.
We have seen him slow the ball to a grind for 2 years Knicks are the worst in pace.
It's going to be funny watching Ivey push the ball and it taking Randle 10 seconds to get up the court.
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