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NFT: Knicks Chat: Draft 2 days away

nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 9:04 am
Jake Fischer has a notebook coming out this morning and Bleacher Report is releasing some snippets..

Nets are offering Kyrie a shorter term incentive laden deal, expected to talk up until the 29th deadline..

Knicks are trying to clear 25 million to sign Brunson
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RE: Wonder if the front office is going to be aggressive  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 7:49 am : link
In comment 15738574 Jan in DC said:
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Or play it safe again. Either way today is going to be an interesting day. Hope we get a load of rumors and movement around the league.


By all accounts Knicks have been 1 of the more agressive teams in trade talks..so we will see
RE: Don't  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 7:50 am : link
In comment 15738577 DanMetroMan said:
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really understand how the sports books work, but Banchero is now the favorite to go #1


Either they have intel on something or for some reason a ton of bets started coming in on Banchero
I think Orlando takes  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/23/2022 7:56 am : link
Smith Jr.
Article on betting shift  
shyster : 6/23/2022 8:19 am : link
Reminiscent of the dramatic overnight and draft day betting shift to Baker Mayfield in 2018.

And that was definitely because of info leaking from Browns.

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RE: RE: Lets say we get Ivey,  
Heisenberg : 6/23/2022 8:27 am : link
In comment 15738579 nygiants16 said:
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Do you guys feel good about Thibs as his HC? I feel from what I am reading that it just isn't a good match. It sounds like Ivey is at his best when pushing the ball.



So was Derrick Rose, Thibs loves big guards who get downhil and attack the rim, Ivey is actually a perfect fit for him


Thibs likes to run, which is probably why his half court offense is so hard to watch lol.
He does?  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 8:28 am : link
He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.
RE: He does?  
Heisenberg : 6/23/2022 8:30 am : link
In comment 15738595 robbieballs2003 said:
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He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.


They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.
Boo.  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 8:32 am : link
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.
NY Post's final mock - AJ Griffin  
GFAN52 : 6/23/2022 8:38 am : link
There are similarities to Cole Anthony in the sharpshooting Griffin. He comes from NBA bloodlines, he was a huge recruit and now there are doubts after an underwhelming one year in college. But he’s a big guard who can stretch the floor and, while there are injury concerns, Griffin is one of the youngest players in the draft — he doesn’t turn 19 until late August — and has a considerably high ceiling.

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RE: Boo.  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 8:42 am : link
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.


Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2022 8:43 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
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As team boards finalize today, the 1-2-3 of the NBA Draft is increasingly firm, per sources: Jabari Smith to Orlando, Chet Holmgren to Oklahoma City and Paolo Banchero to Houston.
RE: RE: Boo.  
GFAN52 : 6/23/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15738605 nygiants16 said:
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.



Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands


There are other teams in the hunt for #4, so Sac is in the drivers seat on the bidding.
RE: RE: RE: Boo.  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 8:48 am : link
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Getting the sense that the Knicks won't make it up to No. 4. No. 5 remains a longshot but possible. And while I have Griffin in the mock to them if Sharpe falls I think the Knicks are where it stops. Most likely? Dropping back and grabbing a big to replace Noel - and maybe Mitch.



Posturing, the question is not how close they are now to a deal, the question is when the Kings are on the clock will they give into the Kings demands



There are other teams in the hunt for #4, so Sac is in the drivers seat on the bidding.


Of course they are..They are in a good position and know it
Griffin  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 8:54 am : link
Would be an awful pick
RE: RE: I’m not trading multiple unprotected Knicks picks  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 9:04 am : link
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unless we’re talking about a legit top player. Murray is really good but he’s not Luka Doncic. The Knicks aren’t in a place where they can risk missing out on a guy that could be like Wembanyama.



I would counter that Murray IS a star PG. About his only weakness is shooting the 3- and he’s vastly better than Rose in that area. Murray is also a solid on-ball defender- lead the league in steals this season. He also had about a 3.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio.

I’d give up a good bit to get that kind of PG with the Knicks.

I'm well aware of how good Murray is but as the #1 option his team won 3 fewer games than the Knicks with one of the best HC's of all time. Maybe I'm just scarred from the IT years but it would remind me of the Marbury deal who at the time was a great player who hadn't won much anywhere he'd been.

Also, what does it say about Murray that Popovich and Buford would be willing to deal him if that is indeed true? I actually doubt he gets moved, I think it's just one of those noisy storylines this time of year. I don't see how John Collins would be interesting enough to them as a centerpiece to deal Murray.
RE: NY Post's final mock - AJ Griffin  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/23/2022 9:07 am : link
In comment 15738601 GFAN52 said:
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There are similarities to Cole Anthony in the sharpshooting Griffin. He comes from NBA bloodlines, he was a huge recruit and now there are doubts after an underwhelming one year in college. But he’s a big guard who can stretch the floor and, while there are injury concerns, Griffin is one of the youngest players in the draft — he doesn’t turn 19 until late August — and has a considerably high ceiling. Link - ( New Window )


Quite possibly the worst comparison I’ve ever seen. If AJ Griffin was “underwhelming” in college, then Cole Anthony had the most ignominious 4 months for a high recruit not named Pat Baldwin this century.
RE: RE: He does?  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 9:09 am : link
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He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.



They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.


I disagree. They had the players to do it and when they were doing it well, they were pulled for players that slowed things down.
Spurs roster was awful...  
Italianju : 6/23/2022 9:10 am : link
who was the second best player on the team? Keldon Johnson? Poeltl? Sorry i just dont love the "guy hasnt wont" argument in the NBA. Tons of guys dont win until they get a better team around them. Im not sure how many guys on SA would have even started on the Knicks.

Im not saying i want to offer SA the moon for him and i agree that i think this is mostly BS and he doesnt get moved.
RE: Spurs roster was awful...  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 9:29 am : link
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who was the second best player on the team? Keldon Johnson? Poeltl? Sorry i just dont love the "guy hasnt wont" argument in the NBA. Tons of guys dont win until they get a better team around them. Im not sure how many guys on SA would have even started on the Knicks.

Im not saying i want to offer SA the moon for him and i agree that i think this is mostly BS and he doesnt get moved.

For one, Keldon Johnson is a good player as is Poetl and Derrick White was on the team for half the year. It's not like the Knicks have a stacked team and they were better than SA even with Randle being a major net negative all year. Great players can usually carry a team to playing .500 ball, not winning doesn't mean not winning a championship or being a contender. If you're currently sporting a lottery roster then if you're going to trade 3 firsts (2 at least unprotected) and 2 pick swaps you should be getting a top 15 player
RE: RE: RE: He does?  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2022 10:33 am : link
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He could have fooled me with playing guys like Randle and Burks a million minutes over the young kids who would run.



They talked about pushing pace all year. They just didn't have the players to do it.



I disagree. They had the players to do it and when they were doing it well, they were pulled for players that slowed things down.

They do have the players they are on the bench watching slow moving ISO Randle.
He did this with Rose in Chicago only because he had to based on the talent Rose was.
We have seen him slow the ball to a grind for 2 years Knicks are the worst in pace.
It's going to be funny watching Ivey push the ball and it taking Randle 10 seconds to get up the court.
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