NFT: Knicks Chat: Draft 2 days away

Ayton and Bagley were drafted over Luka, Fultz and Ball over Tatum etc.

In comment 15737076 bceagle05 said:

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so I'd consider Mitch pretty close to a lock based on that tidbit.

Zach Lowe: “I’ve heard intel that they’re leaning towards re-signing Mitchell Robinson”

they thknk they cant let Mitch walk also..

we don't know what deals were out there that the Rose administration has missed on. It's been very quiet.

They were conservative last offseason with the cap space, which I think is the biggest criticism I have so far. But they have positioned this team reasonably well for the future.

Ton of salary coming off the books next season, a lot of young players who look like they belong in NBA rotations, and no future draft picks owed. Still hard to evaluate how they've done, as they have yet to take a swing.

In comment 15737244 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15737076 bceagle05 said: Quote: so I'd consider Mitch pretty close to a lock based on that tidbit. Zach Lowe: “I’ve heard intel that they’re leaning towards re-signing Mitchell Robinson”

LFGK baby!

and take your chances at 11. LFG

contract looks like. There's not a lot of cap space out there so my assumption is that the ceiling for his deal is the MLE which is about $10 million per. Knicks can give the extra year which may be important to a guy who hasn't banked a ton of money so far in his career.

Is he was a bad fit for Purdue they were near the bottom in pace and he need to play in a fast pace system which is obviously not Thibs system.
He is a great fit if you move on from Randle and let the kids run.

In comment 15737138 TommyWiseau said:

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An Ivey, Obi and RJ trio could be fun to watch.

If the Knicks had flat out tanked for three years, RJ/Obi/Ivey would've been a realistic outcome. That's part of the reason I want them to close this deal, even if it stings a bit.

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and take your chances at 11. LFG

I would sign up for that. And then give me Tari Eason at 11.

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In comment 15737295 adamg said: Quote: and take your chances at 11. LFG I would sign up for that. And then give me Tari Eason at 11.

Eason's body, skillset, potential reminds me of Kawhi Leonard at the time he was drafted.

I find it strange that he is routinely ranked below Jeremy Sochai. I think Eason is significantly better.

In comment 15737295 adamg said:

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and take your chances at 11. LFG

Wouldn't mind that either.

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Per ESPN's Jonathan Givony, rival teams believed the asking price for the 4th pick is a mix of an established vet, 2022 draft selection & a rookie-scale contract. Knicks are competing vs. Pacers (6), Wizards (10), Thunder (12), and Hawks (16) to trade up for No. 4.

In comment 15737341 nygiants16 said:

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alder almo @alderalmo · 27s Per ESPN's Jonathan Givony, rival teams believed the asking price for the 4th pick is a mix of an established vet, 2022 draft selection & a rookie-scale contract. Knicks are competing vs. Pacers (6), Wizards (10), Thunder (12), and Hawks (16) to trade up for No. 4.

A reporter for the athletic (I believe it was a Pacers' beat) mentioned that Sacramento asked for two firsts in addition to #6 which Indiana was not willing to do. That's a steep price for 2 slots.

4/45 or something, i guess thats fine. I just cant get past how little he has improved. Sure he doesnt foul as much, but thats it. ANd in todays league its a huge issue to have a 5 who is completely useless on offense outside of put backs and lobs.

I 100% hope im wrong and we resign him and he makes some small offensive improvements and stays healthy and is amazing.

In comment 15737358 Italianju said:

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4/45 or something, i guess thats fine. I just cant get past how little he has improved. Sure he doesnt foul as much, but thats it. ANd in todays league its a huge issue to have a 5 who is completely useless on offense outside of put backs and lobs. I 100% hope im wrong and we resign him and he makes some small offensive improvements and stays healthy and is amazing.

FT % is a major concern too (or indicator of your point)

like Jaden Ivey is Ja Morant. Did anyone see this guy play this year? Are we seriously thinking about giving up numerous assets for this guy? 9 points against St Peters in the tournament. Come one. Stay and make the pick at 11.

In comment 15737377 five5 said:

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like Jaden Ivey is Ja Morant. Did anyone see this guy play this year? Are we seriously thinking about giving up numerous assets for this guy? 9 points against St Peters in the tournament. Come one. Stay and make the pick at 11.

Because St. Peters had no bigs and Purdue played inside..Its how Purdue played all year..

Ourdue didnt play through Ivey they plaued through their bigs, its how teams in the big 10 play..

Doesnt mean Ivey isnt a good player, doesnt mean he is not worth the 4th overall pick..

might be worth the 4th pick in this draft but does that mean he is worth what it will take to move up from 11?

In comment 15737382 five5 said:

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might be worth the 4th pick in this draft but does that mean he is worth what it will take to move up from 11?

He has superstar talent, if the Knicks feel he is a game changer they are going to do it..

Now if they do it, this is their make or brrak move, if he busts, Rose and company are gone

In comment 15737358 Italianju said:

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4/45 or something, i guess thats fine. I just cant get past how little he has improved. Sure he doesnt foul as much, but thats it. ANd in todays league its a huge issue to have a 5 who is completely useless on offense outside of put backs and lobs. I 100% hope im wrong and we resign him and he makes some small offensive improvements and stays healthy and is amazing.

the free throw shooting is a big issue for me. He becomes almost unplayable late in games.

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Houston Rockets’ John Wall’s agent, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul, has informed the organization that the guard exercised his $47.4 million player option for the 2022-23 season, sources tell @TheAthletic
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The Knicks have been much more active in talks than in previous years, also mentions the Knicks with Brogdon

In comment 15737405 nygiants16 said:

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The Knicks have been much more active in talks than in previous years, also mentions the Knicks with Brogdon

Yuck

In comment 15737402 DanMetroMan said:

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Tweet See new Tweets Conversation Shams Charania @ShamsCharania Houston Rockets’ John Wall’s agent, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul, has informed the organization that the guard exercised his $47.4 million player option for the 2022-23 season, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium .

No brainer for Wall. Poor Rockets.

for Robinson in the MLE range, $44.5 million over four years

In comment 15737402 DanMetroMan said:

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Tweet See new Tweets Conversation Shams Charania @ShamsCharania Houston Rockets’ John Wall’s agent, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul, has informed the organization that the guard exercised his $47.4 million player option for the 2022-23 season, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium .

Color me shocked!

HE was cooked 5 years ago.

In comment 15737405 nygiants16 said:

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The Knicks have been much more active in talks than in previous years, also mentions the Knicks with Brogdon

Great talent. Just made of glass.

Solid player. Would be surprised if they trade 11. Maybe a small trade down to pick up another asset and then deal that 1st rounder.

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In comment 15737405 nygiants16 said: Quote: The Knicks have been much more active in talks than in previous years, also mentions the Knicks with Brogdon Great talent. Just made of glass.

Given he'll turn 30 during next season and with his extensive injury past, this makes no sense whatsoever.

Depends on cost imo. If the Knicks can get to #4 trading futures and none of the core 3 of Obi, RJ, Quick I'd be for Ivey. If not hang on to what we have and try to get Brogdon or Brunson. I still don't think either really move the needle as far as making us a contender. We need a splash move. However, that move may not be able to be made this offseason.

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around the MLE for sure. At worst he becomes a trade piece. If you had a great PG who can setup mitch all the time and good shooters on your team then Mitch is a great fit. His D and offensive rebounding are great skills. Problem for is we dont have a great PG and we dont have great shooters, lol. Thats why im hesitant, but 4/45 like i said earlier is perfectly fine.

can we not do the thing where we say cause a guy is going to be there at x position in the draft it means he isnt going to be a superstar or worth trading up for. He is going to go top 5, do we need to run the list of players not taken in the top 5? I mean Curry, Giannis, Kawhi, Klay, George, butler, booker, mitchell, jokic, and on and on and on. I would have been pretty happy to give up 11, Grimes and a future first or whatever for those guys.

It just matters what the Knicks feel about the guy, im still willing to trust this FO for now.

but i feel like the amount of stars that come out of the mid point or later of the lottery is probably just as high as the ones that come in the top half. That doesnt really mean anything in connection to ivey since he is going top 5, more just a general thought. The top 5-6 bust rate is massive in the NBA draft, ha.

In comment 15737421 Strahan91 said:

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for Robinson in the MLE range, $44.5 million over four years

We all love Mitchell, but no, thank you. He's already shown time and time again his inability to remain healthy.

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In comment 15737421 Strahan91 said: Quote: for Robinson in the MLE range, $44.5 million over four years We all love Mitchell, but no, thank you. He's already shown time and time again his inability to remain healthy.

Talk about someone who is made of glass, Mitch is one of those guys

I'd probably lean the latter. Not against Jayden-& I'd be stoked if he ends up a Knick-I just think Sharpe has the higher upside. The knock on Ivey is his defense, as in he sucks @ it & doesn't seem to give AF when it comes to that end of the court. Defense is so much effort &-for whatever faults Thibs has-the man has shown he can coach that side of the ball.

I am sure they have multiple things on the fire cooking and everything will depend on if they get Ivey or not..

I'd be shocked if Chet, Smith Jr., & Paolo weren't the top 3, in some order.

In comment 15737602 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I'd be shocked if Chet, Smith Jr., & Paolo weren't the top 3, in some order.

Agreed i just dont know if Sacto is going to work with the Knicks..

They like the Knicks offer but they still are holding out for more, the Kings are content staying at 4 but also feel like they are going to get a great offer at the 11th hour..

Knicks are offering 11, both 23 picks and their 25th plus Grimes and Burks...Knicks have told them thats the best they can do..

In comment 15737609 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15737602 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I'd be shocked if Chet, Smith Jr., & Paolo weren't the top 3, in some order. Agreed i just dont know if Sacto is going to work with the Knicks.. They like the Knicks offer but they still are holding out for more, the Kings are content staying at 4 but also feel like they are going to get a great offer at the 11th hour.. Knicks are offering 11, both 23 picks and their 25th plus Grimes and Burks...Knicks have told them thats the best they can do..

Are you speculating or heard that somewhere?

In comment 15737609 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15737602 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I'd be shocked if Chet, Smith Jr., & Paolo weren't the top 3, in some order. Agreed i just dont know if Sacto is going to work with the Knicks.. They like the Knicks offer but they still are holding out for more, the Kings are content staying at 4 but also feel like they are going to get a great offer at the 11th hour.. Knicks are offering 11, both 23 picks and their 25th plus Grimes and Burks...Knicks have told them thats the best they can do..

Ivey better be the real deal to trade 2 additional 1sts. That's takes a lot of draft capital for another deal if a start shakes free.
I am not a fan of that deal at all

In comment 15737616 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 15737609 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15737602 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I'd be shocked if Chet, Smith Jr., & Paolo weren't the top 3, in some order. Agreed i just dont know if Sacto is going to work with the Knicks.. They like the Knicks offer but they still are holding out for more, the Kings are content staying at 4 but also feel like they are going to get a great offer at the 11th hour.. Knicks are offering 11, both 23 picks and their 25th plus Grimes and Burks...Knicks have told them thats the best they can do.. Are you speculating or heard that somewhere?

I have a friend that used to work for the Celtics, has a couple if friends still in the league that work for various teams, he has friend thaglt works for the Kings, gives him stuff wvery once in awhile

You heard Knicks are offering the following for just #4 pick:

#11 2022 pick
Mavs 2023 1st rd pick
Knicks 2023 1st rd pick
Knicks 2025 1st rd pick - assuming this could eventually become 2 2nd rounders
Grimes
Burks

That is a lot to give up. This is what I envisioned they would have to give up for Bradley Beal which is a sure thing. Seems like way too much to give up for an Unknown player. I would rather stay at 11. If you keep grimes and just trade the picks I can be talked into it I guess. Your basically eliminating any chance at the stud overseas player next year, so I would want to keep Knicks 2023 pick because they are likely a lottery team again.

4 1st round picks and 2 players??? U have to be kidding me. Give me Brogdon all day every day. Ivey is certainly the better athlete but I am not even sure he will be a better player. Typical Knicks move…for Jaden Ivey. Lol.

is really going all in on something - let's see if they can pull it off. Walt Perrin must've told Leon that Ivey is Donovan Mitchell, if not better. That's a monster offer. It would hurt, but I'll still be pretty excited 48 hours from now if we have Ivey, RJ, IQ, Obi and Mitch locked in. I'll miss Grimes though.

but I feel he can be another Westbrook, hopefully more of a winning player and less of a stat chaser. No matter how you feel about Westbrook, he's an impact player.

I'm warming up to Griffin too, even though he's from Duke. For some reason I thought he was an athlete who couldn't shoot, but he can actually shoot!! Doesn't seem to have the lateral quickness to be a creator though.

I'd settle for Sharpe too. Also athletic and can shoot, but he strikes me as an Anthony Edwards type. Of course, for him any opinion is just a conjecture at this point.

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You heard Knicks are offering the following for just #4 pick: #11 2022 pick Mavs 2023 1st rd pick Knicks 2023 1st rd pick Knicks 2025 1st rd pick - assuming this could eventually become 2 2nd rounders Grimes Burks That is a lot to give up. This is what I envisioned they would have to give up for Bradley Beal which is a sure thing. Seems like way too much to give up for an Unknown player. I would rather stay at 11. If you keep grimes and just trade the picks I can be talked into it I guess. Your basically eliminating any chance at the stud overseas player next year, so I would want to keep Knicks 2023 pick because they are likely a lottery team again.

I dont know protections or anything like that, but Kings want more haha

In comment 15737634 bceagle05 said:

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is really going all in on something - let's see if they can pull it off. Walt Perrin must've told Leon that Ivey is Donovan Mitchell, if not better. That's a monster offer. It would hurt, but I'll still be pretty excited 48 hours from now if we have Ivey, RJ, IQ, Obi and Mitch locked in. I'll miss Grimes though.

This is how i am looking at it, add the right vets to this youth and you got something