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nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 9:04 am
Jake Fischer has a notebook coming out this morning and Bleacher Report is releasing some snippets..

Nets are offering Kyrie a shorter term incentive laden deal, expected to talk up until the 29th deadline..

Knicks are trying to clear 25 million to sign Brunson
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The Knicks offer is  
ajr2456 : 6/21/2022 9:14 pm : link
11, top 5 protected 23 and IQ at the moment.

Mitch deal is going to be 4 years somewhere between $40-50 mill.

Don’t buy the Brogdon rumors.

They’re still fairly confident they’ll get Brunson even if they add Ivey
RE: The Knicks offer is  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15737641 ajr2456 said:
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11, top 5 protected 23 and IQ at the moment.

Mitch deal is going to be 4 years somewhere between $40-50 mill.

Don’t buy the Brogdon rumors.

They’re still fairly confident they’ll get Brunson even if they add Ivey


Brunson would be a great fit next to Ivey..

Rather keep iq and give up another draft pick
RE: RE: nygiants16.  
TJ : 6/21/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15737609 nygiants16 said:
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I'd be shocked if Chet, Smith Jr., & Paolo weren't the top 3, in some order.



Agreed i just dont know if Sacto is going to work with the Knicks..

They like the Knicks offer but they still are holding out for more, the Kings are content staying at 4 but also feel like they are going to get a great offer at the 11th hour..

Knicks are offering 11, both 23 picks and their 25th plus Grimes and Burks...Knicks have told them thats the best they can do..


Trades like that is what has made this team a decades-long joke.
RE: The Knicks offer is  
Giantfan21 : 6/21/2022 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15737641 ajr2456 said:
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11, top 5 protected 23 and IQ at the moment.

Mitch deal is going to be 4 years somewhere between $40-50 mill.

Don’t buy the Brogdon rumors.

They’re still fairly confident they’ll get Brunson even if they add Ivey


Are the knicks looking to trade Randle ? Please say yes
That's a lot of to give up for Ivey  
ghost718 : 6/21/2022 9:21 pm : link
I'd have to insist they take Randle
Thanks all, for the info.  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2022 9:22 pm : link
Fun conversation even if we wind up sticking at #11.

I'd imagine landing Ivey would make them more aggressive in their pursuit of Brunson.It is a great pairing, and you might as well go all out.
RE: RE: The Knicks offer is  
ajr2456 : 6/21/2022 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15737647 Giantfan21 said:
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In comment 15737641 ajr2456 said:


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11, top 5 protected 23 and IQ at the moment.

Mitch deal is going to be 4 years somewhere between $40-50 mill.

Don’t buy the Brogdon rumors.

They’re still fairly confident they’ll get Brunson even if they add Ivey



Are the knicks looking to trade Randle ? Please say yes


Don’t see a trade market for Randle until after the draft but they still do want to
AJR with a Very different rumor then NYgiants  
GMEN46 : 6/21/2022 9:23 pm : link
Who has the more reliable source. Hate to part with IQ but I guess if your getting Brunson you make that deal? Do we like brunson that much more than IQ?
No  
Giantfootball025 : 6/21/2022 9:23 pm : link
Missing on draft picks, bad luck in the lottery, and trading/signing overpriced players who were not stars has been.

Trading for a rookie who they feel can be a star is the right move. If they are wrong they most likely won’t be around to make another big mistake. But, these are the types of swings they should be taking if they are giving up draft capital.
RE: Thanks all, for the info.  
ajr2456 : 6/21/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15737651 bceagle05 said:
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Fun conversation even if we wind up sticking at #11.

I'd imagine landing Ivey would make them more aggressive in their pursuit of Brunson.It is a great pairing, and you might as well go all out.


Getting the vibe they’re confident they’ll end up with both.
RE: AJR with a Very different rumor then NYgiants  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15737653 GMEN46 said:
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Who has the more reliable source. Hate to part with IQ but I guess if your getting Brunson you make that deal? Do we like brunson that much more than IQ?


He probably does since his is with the Knicks organization, mine is coming from the Kings
While I'd love for them to get Ivey I hate that trade, if accurate  
steve in ky : 6/21/2022 9:24 pm : link
#11 2022 pick
Mavs 2023 1st rd pick
Knicks 2023 1st rd pick
Knicks 2025 1st rd pick - assuming this could eventually become 2 2nd rounders
Grimes
Burks
The crutch of this deal  
larryflower37 : 6/21/2022 9:25 pm : link
Is Randle and Thibs, Ivey is only successful quickly in a high pace offense like a young Westbrook.
If they make this move Randle needs to go and let the kids play quickly. This really doesn't feel like a Rose type move unless he is final feeling the pressure to go big or go home.
If they can end up woth both IVey and Brunson im ok trading  
Giantfan21 : 6/21/2022 9:28 pm : link
Quickley to make it happen.

My biggest concern is OBI. He played great at the end of the season and if Randle is still on the team next year he is going to end up playing 13 minutes a night again. Hopefully they are trading Randle but if for some reason they decide not to they need to sell high on OBI while his value is at highest instead of him being buried on the bench and becoming a depreciated asset .
RE: RE: AJR with a Very different rumor then NYgiants  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2022 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15737656 nygiants16 said:
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He probably does since his is with the Knicks organization, mine is coming from the Kings

Well that would be freaking awesome.
Sorry, I meant the Ivey/Brunson pairing  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2022 9:32 pm : link
would be awesome.
They are both right in a way  
Carl in CT : 6/21/2022 9:37 pm : link
Offers going back and forth and just keeps changing by both party’s. Knicks are not patient as they have been the last two years.
pursuing both Ivey and Brunson.  
Enzo : 6/21/2022 9:40 pm : link
seems incongruous. Even if Ivey turns into something, that's likely 3-4 years away - which is how long Brunson's contract would be. I really don't like moving on from Quickley - but moving up to #4 is not going to be cheap.
RE: They are both right in a way  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15737671 Carl in CT said:
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Offers going back and forth and just keeps changing by both party’s. Knicks are not patient as they have been the last two years.


I have heard kings are confident they will get a deal for 4, now thats a general statement not necassarily with the Knicks...

Do you think from what you heard the Knicms are confident?
Rather do the AJ trade than the NYGiants16 trade  
Anakim : 6/21/2022 9:43 pm : link
But both are pretty step. Ivey is my second best player in the Draft, but next year's crop is supposed to be really, really good. I'd be hesitant to part with a first rounder next year, but obviously it'll be necessary if we move up.
RE: Rather do the AJ trade than the NYGiants16 trade  
Anakim : 6/21/2022 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15737678 Anakim said:
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But both are pretty step. Ivey is my second best player in the Draft, but next year's crop is supposed to be really, really good. I'd be hesitant to part with a first rounder next year, but obviously it'll be necessary if we move up.


*steep
RE: The crutch of this deal  
Stu11 : 6/21/2022 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15737659 larryflower37 said:
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Is Randle and Thibs, Ivey is only successful quickly in a high pace offense like a young Westbrook.
If they make this move Randle needs to go and let the kids play quickly. This really doesn't feel like a Rose type move unless he is final feeling the pressure to go big or go home.

The stretch where Randle played his best ball last year he was pushing the ball like crazy. I think he'd be happy to play at that pace. Thibs on the other hand...I think Randle has dominated the ball out of necessity the past few years when he's on the court because of the complete shit we've had at PG unless Rose is on the court and Rose mainly looks for his own shot. I think it might be interesting to see if Randle could mesh with them.
I thought you can't trade firsts in back to back years  
robbieballs2003 : 6/21/2022 10:09 pm : link
?
Then there's this  
Anakim : 6/21/2022 10:14 pm : link
Ian Begley
@IanBegley

From earlier: Knicks have talked to DET about potential move up in draft; Cam Reddish was one name that came up:




But I guess that's assuming the Kings stay put and go with Murray and Ivey drops to 5?
RE: I thought you can't trade firsts in back to back years  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15737695 robbieballs2003 said:
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The Knicks would make the 11th pick first and then they coukd trade both 23rds
RE: I thought you can't trade firsts in back to back years  
ajr2456 : 6/21/2022 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15737695 robbieballs2003 said:
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Draft night trades aren’t official until after the draft
How about trying to get another pick in the top 20  
ghost718 : 6/21/2022 10:38 pm : link
and keeping 11

We have talked about this before,if they can make it happen,it might be a better move.
Woj says  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 10:39 pm : link
Sacramento will take it right up until the clock and take the best available offer on the table..

Also says Brogdon will be traded any time between now and the start of the draft
Woj also says  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 10:43 pm : link
He expects a lot of action from Knicks this week, they are active trying to clear salary to go after Brunson
RE: The Knicks offer is  
adamg : 6/21/2022 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15737641 ajr2456 said:
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11, top 5 protected 23 and IQ at the moment.

Mitch deal is going to be 4 years somewhere between $40-50 mill.

Don’t buy the Brogdon rumors.

They’re still fairly confident they’ll get Brunson even if they add Ivey


Brunson-Ivey-RJ-Obi-Mitch

Rose-Deuce-Cam-Sims

That'd be interesting to see. Plus we'd probably be moving Randle, Fournier, and Noel for assets...
RE: RE: nygiants16.  
GFAN52 : 6/21/2022 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15737609 nygiants16 said:
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I'd be shocked if Chet, Smith Jr., & Paolo weren't the top 3, in some order.



Agreed i just dont know if Sacto is going to work with the Knicks..

They like the Knicks offer but they still are holding out for more, the Kings are content staying at 4 but also feel like they are going to get a great offer at the 11th hour..

Knicks are offering 11, both 23 picks and their 25th plus Grimes and Burks...Knicks have told them thats the best they can do..


I seriously doubt that's enough. They'll want Obi and one of Cam or IQ as well as the picks.
RE: RE: The crutch of this deal  
larryflower37 : 6/21/2022 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15737693 Stu11 said:
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Is Randle and Thibs, Ivey is only successful quickly in a high pace offense like a young Westbrook.
If they make this move Randle needs to go and let the kids play quickly. This really doesn't feel like a Rose type move unless he is final feeling the pressure to go big or go home.


The stretch where Randle played his best ball last year he was pushing the ball like crazy. I think he'd be happy to play at that pace. Thibs on the other hand...I think Randle has dominated the ball out of necessity the past few years when he's on the court because of the complete shit we've had at PG unless Rose is on the court and Rose mainly looks for his own shot. I think it might be interesting to see if Randle could mesh with them.

Stu, Randle loves to handle the ball and play ISO the run and gun is left to the kids Rose was good at pushing the pace and increase the pace. I thinks thats why Thibs played them apart.
Obi would be great in that pace.
RE: RE: RE: The crutch of this deal  
Stu11 : 6/22/2022 12:37 am : link
In comment 15737727 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 15737693 Stu11 said:


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In comment 15737659 larryflower37 said:


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Is Randle and Thibs, Ivey is only successful quickly in a high pace offense like a young Westbrook.
If they make this move Randle needs to go and let the kids play quickly. This really doesn't feel like a Rose type move unless he is final feeling the pressure to go big or go home.


The stretch where Randle played his best ball last year he was pushing the ball like crazy. I think he'd be happy to play at that pace. Thibs on the other hand...I think Randle has dominated the ball out of necessity the past few years when he's on the court because of the complete shit we've had at PG unless Rose is on the court and Rose mainly looks for his own shot. I think it might be interesting to see if Randle could mesh with them.


Stu, Randle loves to handle the ball and play ISO the run and gun is left to the kids Rose was good at pushing the pace and increase the pace. I thinks thats why Thibs played them apart.
Obi would be great in that pace.

I'm not saying he doesn't iso and dominate the ball a lot, though if you watched his 10 game or so hot streak he was pushing it a lot. I think he could play that pace if they don't trade him.
RE: The Knicks offer is  
Reeses Pieces : 6/22/2022 1:13 am : link
In comment 15737641 ajr2456 said:
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11, top 5 protected 23 and IQ at the moment.

Mitch deal is going to be 4 years somewhere between $40-50 mill.

Don’t buy the Brogdon rumors.

They’re still fairly confident they’ll get Brunson even if they add Ivey


I’m surprised that Dallas’s 2023 1st isn’t also on the table. Sounds like Leon is opening conservative. That offer will beef up before the Kings clock runs out on draft night.
Fischer  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 8:23 am : link
Said Brunson is telling other Mavs he’s staying in Dallas
RE: Fischer  
Heisenberg : 6/22/2022 8:25 am : link
In comment 15737756 DanMetroMan said:
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Said Brunson is telling other Mavs he’s staying in Dallas


Man it would suck use assets to clear cap for July 1 an come up empty again in FA.
RE: RE: Fischer  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/22/2022 8:29 am : link
In comment 15737759 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15737756 DanMetroMan said:


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Said Brunson is telling other Mavs he’s staying in Dallas



Man it would suck use assets to clear cap for July 1 an come up empty again in FA.


It's the Knicks way.
by now Brunson  
Enzo : 6/22/2022 8:40 am : link
knows what offers are out there. If Dallas is willing to exceed what others teams pay, everyone else is dead in the water.
RE: Fischer  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 8:40 am : link
In comment 15737756 DanMetroMan said:
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Said Brunson is telling other Mavs he’s staying in Dallas


and Woj was on last night on espn said Knicks were specifically trying to clear space for Brunson..

Dolan  
five5 : 6/22/2022 8:42 am : link
Can see him pulling a JD/Gorton if Rose doesn’t do something significant this offseason.
If we have the guys dad on the staff  
Mike in NJ : 6/22/2022 8:51 am : link
And give up assets to clear space without knowing if he is 100% coming, then everyone involved should be shown the door immediately. I would assume if they clear space they are doing so with a commitment already in place.
Yeah I think it's safe to say we know  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2022 8:57 am : link
Jalen Brunson's plan, or at least will before we start making significant moves. That's always been the biggest plus of Leon/Wes running things - at least they'll have solid intel, unlike Mills, Perry, Phil and others.
And when Fischer said that  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 8:59 am : link
he made sure to keep saying the Knicks are still involved, they still have a chance..
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 9:02 am : link
Bleacher Report’s Jake Fischer: Mavericks favorites to re-sign Jalen Brunson
Fischer went as far to say current and former Brunson teammates have been told it’s done deal

“It does still sound like Dallas is by far the leader in the clubhouse to retain [Jalen Brunson],” Fischer said. “I’ve even heard that he has told former teammates and current teammates that it’s basically like a done deal.”
The only trade that would  
Jan in DC : 6/22/2022 9:02 am : link
enrage me is trading the 11 pick for Brogdon. Even in a salary dump. That's a move that is extremely shortsighted and would be extremely disappointing to me.
Brogdon  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 9:05 am : link
For 11 would be the first true “that’s so Knicks” move of the Leon era. Like truly baffling. Again… turning 30 with absolutely ridiculous injury history….
I think if 11 was really on the table for Brogdon  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 9:08 am : link
the deal would already be done
I would take Brogdon  
TommyWiseau : 6/22/2022 9:11 am : link
If we were to land Ivey also. Can’t trust the guy to play more then 50 games
RE: The only trade that would  
Enzo : 6/22/2022 9:12 am : link
In comment 15737785 Jan in DC said:
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enrage me is trading the 11 pick for Brogdon. Even in a salary dump. That's a move that is extremely shortsighted and would be extremely disappointing to me.

I really can't come up with a Brogdon trade that wouldn't annoy me. Obviously Randle is a contract they may be looking to move, but at least Randle plays. And what's more likely? Randle shakes off whatever was bothering him last year and gets back to 80-90 percent of what he was in 20/21 - or Brogdon magically becomes durable in his 30s?
RE: I think if 11 was really on the table for Brogdon  
ajr2456 : 6/22/2022 9:16 am : link
In comment 15737789 nygiants16 said:
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the deal would already be done


Correct
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