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NFT: Knicks Chat: Draft 2 days away

nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 9:04 am
Jake Fischer has a notebook coming out this morning and Bleacher Report is releasing some snippets..

Nets are offering Kyrie a shorter term incentive laden deal, expected to talk up until the 29th deadline..

Knicks are trying to clear 25 million to sign Brunson
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RE: Katz-  
GFAN52 : 6/22/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15737956 DanMetroMan said:
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Knicks are "calling teams left and right" trying to move Burks, and making calls on Noel/Walker and feels they would be willing to attach picks to move them


Attaching picks to move them, it’s the usual Knicks way of doing business.
Mitch vs Bamba  
ghost718 : 6/22/2022 12:19 pm : link
I don't even think it's close

Give Robinson a boat load of cash,and you'll still see him walking off the court shaking his head,talking to himself.But one day he'll just keep going to the parking lot,won't stop at the bench.
Katz  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 12:21 pm : link
- Scouts think Rokas's ceiling is a good backup, unlikely to come over this year, and potentially not even next.
This better not be true  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 12:22 pm : link
Jonathan Givony: “I don’t think the Wizards are gonna put their 10th pick in a Brogdon trade, [but] the Knicks are looking very hard at putting in pick 11”
RE: This better not be true  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15737965 Strahan91 said:
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Jonathan Givony: “I don’t think the Wizards are gonna put their 10th pick in a Brogdon trade, [but] the Knicks are looking very hard at putting in pick 11”


Awful.
RE: Katz-  
Anakim : 6/22/2022 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15737956 DanMetroMan said:
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Knicks are "calling teams left and right" trying to move Burks, and making calls on Noel/Walker and feels they would be willing to attach picks to move them


Ah yes. The Knicks FO trying to rectify their blunders. Leon Rose follows a long line of Knicks execs who have many instances of buyers remorse.
RE: Katz-  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15737956 DanMetroMan said:
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Knicks are "calling teams left and right" trying to move Burks, and making calls on Noel/Walker and feels they would be willing to attach picks to move them


Moving all 3 and take nothing back would put them at 30 million depending on if they trade up and what they give up..

RE: RE: This better not be true  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15737967 DanMetroMan said:
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Jonathan Givony: “I don’t think the Wizards are gonna put their 10th pick in a Brogdon trade, [but] the Knicks are looking very hard at putting in pick 11”


Awful.

Hopefully this is coming from the Pacers side trying to get teams to ante up. Didn't sound like Begley thought they'd trade 11 for Brogdon and I'm sure his sources are with NY
RE: This better not be true  
Pete44 : 6/22/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15737965 Strahan91 said:
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Jonathan Givony: “I don’t think the Wizards are gonna put their 10th pick in a Brogdon trade, [but] the Knicks are looking very hard at putting in pick 11”


If the Knicks trade 11 for Brogdon, I'm sure Indiana is taking back some of the unwanted players from the Knicks, that being said, I'm a hard pass on Brogdon due to his injuries, contract and age.
This organization  
five5 : 6/22/2022 12:28 pm : link
needs to hire more FO people so they can make a deal. It’s incredible how incompetent they are. They have plenty of assets where they should be able to make trades to improve this team. Same thing every year…all rumors.
RE: RE: This better not be true  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15737971 Pete44 said:
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In comment 15737965 Strahan91 said:


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Jonathan Givony: “I don’t think the Wizards are gonna put their 10th pick in a Brogdon trade, [but] the Knicks are looking very hard at putting in pick 11”



If the Knicks trade 11 for Brogdon, I'm sure Indiana is taking back some of the unwanted players from the Knicks, that being said, I'm a hard pass on Brogdon due to his injuries, contract and age.

I wouldn't do that. None of those contracts are so bad that it's worth giving up a lottery pick for Brogdon imo. Only way I do that is if Duarte is in the deal with the Knicks adding in another asset. Highly unlikely he'd be part of the deal, but I did see Givony said that the Kings were doing their homework on him (assuming as part of a deal for 4) so maybe he's not totally off limits.
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nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 12:31 pm : link
Fred Katz
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Clearing this up: “Net neutral” means he’s being paid fairly. Trading Burks would not get you back a significant asset and it would not take attaching a significant asset to trade him. It’s a fair contract.
RE: This organization  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15737973 five5 said:
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needs to hire more FO people so they can make a deal. It’s incredible how incompetent they are. They have plenty of assets where they should be able to make trades to improve this team. Same thing every year…all rumors.


did you expect them to make a deal up to 4 now?
RE: ..  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15737978 nygiants16 said:
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Fred Katz
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Clearing this up: “Net neutral” means he’s being paid fairly. Trading Burks would not get you back a significant asset and it would not take attaching a significant asset to trade him. It’s a fair contract.


". I think they'd like to get off of Nerlens Noel's expiring contract, too, and they're obviously attempting to move on from Kemba Walker. I think they're into Jalen Brunson. They wouldn't be making these calls if they weren't at least somewhat open to attaching the picks they know it would take to dump someone like Noel."
I know that you're not  
Jan in DC : 6/22/2022 12:44 pm : link
going to get a perfect player at 11. The more I hear about Griffin, the more it makes me concerned. If they decide to go in this direction I'm sure they think his defensive deficiencies are correctable.
Katz  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 12:46 pm : link
confirms the Brogdon talks, but doesn't know how serious they are.
I don't think the Knicks see anything they want  
larryflower37 : 6/22/2022 12:53 pm : link
At 11 and are doing everything they can to get out of the pick.
In this scenario would you like a Kevin Knox/Frank Ntilikina type player or Brogdon?
Before you kill me I know there are players late in this draft that will become stars but the Knicks might feel it's a reach and can get someone to help them now also I don't want Brogdon with his injury history.
This is a complete gut feeling  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 12:53 pm : link
i dont think Brunson is their target, i think they are going after Irving to pair with Ivey and Rj..

I think they are seriously ready to go all in
Giving up 11 for Brogdon...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 12:56 pm : link
WTF? Did I read that right?
I don't see how the Nets can just let Kyrie walk.  
Kmed6000 : 6/22/2022 12:59 pm : link
They are in too deep and will have to do whatever it takes to keep him. They have a very short window and without a motivated Kyrie, all of that capital that they used to get these guys would be wasted. Simmons and KD are not going to win anything.

I think when all is said and done, Kyrie will be back with the Nets for a few more years.
RE: Giving up 11 for Brogdon...  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15737995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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WTF? Did I read that right?


Not going to happen, if it were true it would be done..

Feels like the Pacers are leaking it to get the Wizards to ante up
RE: This is a complete gut feeling  
Enzo : 6/22/2022 1:07 pm : link
In comment 15737994 nygiants16 said:
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i dont think Brunson is their target, i think they are going after Irving to pair with Ivey and Rj..

I think they are seriously ready to go all in

that doesn't make any sense.
RE: RE: Giving up 11 for Brogdon...  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15738001 nygiants16 said:
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WTF? Did I read that right?



Not going to happen, if it were true it would be done..

Feels like the Pacers are leaking it to get the Wizards to ante up

I hope you're right but both can be true - the Knicks could be offering 11 for Brogdon and it's not done yet because the Pacers are holding out for 10 from Washington
RE: I don't see how the Nets can just let Kyrie walk.  
Stu11 : 6/22/2022 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15737997 Kmed6000 said:
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They are in too deep and will have to do whatever it takes to keep him. They have a very short window and without a motivated Kyrie, all of that capital that they used to get these guys would be wasted. Simmons and KD are not going to win anything.

I think when all is said and done, Kyrie will be back with the Nets for a few more years.

Agreed. They've married themselves to KD /Kyrie for the near future. They just have to bank on Kyrie and Simmons actually showing up for a complete playoff run one of these next few years.
RE: RE: RE: Giving up 11 for Brogdon...  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15738006 Strahan91 said:
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WTF? Did I read that right?



Not going to happen, if it were true it would be done..

Feels like the Pacers are leaking it to get the Wizards to ante up


I hope you're right but both can be true - the Knicks could be offering 11 for Brogdon and it's not done yet because the Pacers are holding out for 10 from Washington


That is true, i am trying to be optimistic haha
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 1:14 pm : link
NBACentral
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There are teams rooting for Kyrie Irving to opt-out and walk away from the Nets, believing it would give them a chance to cobble together trade packages to acquire Kevin Durant 👀, per @wojespn
Athletic  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2022 1:16 pm : link
Said we have enough for Robinson and can clear $25m by stretching Kemba waive the old man (wink sign him back later to fill roster) I believe it was trade Noel and move pick #11 to Memphis at 20 (ish) and they take Fournier.
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nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 1:17 pm : link
Jonathan Macri
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“If the Knicks fail to acquire Brunson in free agency and lose out on a trade for Indiana Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon, they would probably take a look at the possibility of Irving.”

Also notes Knicks working to clear cap space and DAL maybe needing to max Brunson to keep him.
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For ESPN+ on Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant and sum of all Brooklyn Nets' fears: https://es.pn/3OcBWa0
From Woj’s article just now on Kyrie  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 1:19 pm : link
“As possible destinations go, the New York Knicks are working to clear salary-cap space, preparing to recruit Dallas Mavericks free-agent guard Jalen Brunson, sources say. He wanted a four-year, $55 million extension last offseason, but the Mavericks never made an offer, sources say. Because of the risk of losing Brunson for nothing to the Knicks, where his former agent, Leon Rose, is the president of basketball operations, and his father, Rick, is a newly hired assistant coach, it could take nearly a max contract for the Mavericks to keep him.

If the Knicks fail to acquire Brunson in free agency and lose out on a trade for Indiana Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon, they would probably take a look at the possibility of Irving -- if he was still available.”
RE: RE: RE: Giving up 11 for Brogdon...  
GFAN52 : 6/22/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15738006 Strahan91 said:
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WTF? Did I read that right?



Not going to happen, if it were true it would be done..

Feels like the Pacers are leaking it to get the Wizards to ante up


I hope you're right but both can be true - the Knicks could be offering 11 for Brogdon and it's not done yet because the Pacers are holding out for 10 from Washington


Trading the 11th pick for an injury prone Brogdon would beyond dumb, but hey it's the Knicks sadly.
Unrelated  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 1:22 pm : link
but AEW wrestler Eddie Kingston lol

Eddie Kingston: "Man when I first met Tony Khan and had a meeting with him and then we talked a little bit after I asked him. I said, 'you ain't gonna buy the Knicks, man?' He just looked at me like, no! I said,you sure? you can buy the Knicks and then make me the GM right? No?"
RE: This is a complete gut feeling  
PhilSimms15 : 6/22/2022 1:22 pm : link
How can they acquire Brunson, Ivey and Irving? It would be wild if they did, but I don't think they have enough quality assets to get Ivey and then Irving in a sign and trade.

RE: RE: This is a complete gut feeling  
GFAN52 : 6/22/2022 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15738026 PhilSimms15 said:
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How can they acquire Brunson, Ivey and Irving? It would be wild if they did, but I don't think they have enough quality assets to get Ivey and then Irving in a sign and trade.


I doubt they offer enough to even get Ivey let alone anyway else.
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Essex : 6/22/2022 1:26 pm : link
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NBACentral
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There are teams rooting for Kyrie Irving to opt-out and walk away from the Nets, believing it would give them a chance to cobble together trade packages to acquire Kevin Durant 👀, per @wojespn


It's going to be kind of funny when the tweet comes out that Nets signed Irving to a max extension and all this bargaining in the media has just made millions of fans refresh their twitter timelines every two seconds.
RE: RE: This is a complete gut feeling  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15738026 PhilSimms15 said:
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How can they acquire Brunson, Ivey and Irving? It would be wild if they did, but I don't think they have enough quality assets to get Ivey and then Irving in a sign and trade.


They wouodnt need to do a sign and trade
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Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15738029 Essex said:
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NBACentral
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There are teams rooting for Kyrie Irving to opt-out and walk away from the Nets, believing it would give them a chance to cobble together trade packages to acquire Kevin Durant 👀, per @wojespn



It's going to be kind of funny when the tweet comes out that Nets signed Irving to a max extension and all this bargaining in the media has just made millions of fans refresh their twitter timelines every two seconds.

That's the same thing that happens every offseason with several different big names. This is no different
RELAX  
NYG22 : 6/22/2022 1:36 pm : link
with "the same old Knicks" or "Knicks type move" nonsense

>> this front office regime hasn't hit any home runs but also hasn't made any short-sighted moves; they've merely acquired assets and made some solid draft picks. Do they deserve an A+? No, but let's see them make a Isiah Thomas type move before we paint that picture!!
if they are going to clear all this money..  
Italianju : 6/22/2022 1:45 pm : link
why no talk at making a run at Lavine or Beal? I get they arent PG's but its not like we are set at the 2 either (assuming RJ is the 3)
RE: RELAX  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15738037 NYG22 said:
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with "the same old Knicks" or "Knicks type move" nonsense

>> this front office regime hasn't hit any home runs but also hasn't made any short-sighted moves; they've merely acquired assets and made some solid draft picks. Do they deserve an A+? No, but let's see them make a Isiah Thomas type move before we paint that picture!!

Good post. I was thinking the same thing. They've obviously made a competitive offer to Sacramento for the fourth pick, and they obviously know where they stand with Brunson. This isn't Isiah offering Kobe the mid-level exception.
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 1:47 pm : link
“If the Knicks fail to acquire Brunson in free agency and lose out on a trade for Indiana Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon, they would probably take a look at the possibility of Irving.”
RE: RE: This is a complete gut feeling  
NYG22 : 6/22/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15738026 PhilSimms15 said:
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How can they acquire Brunson, Ivey and Irving? It would be wild if they did, but I don't think they have enough quality assets to get Ivey and then Irving in a sign and trade.


Nobody has said they'd acquire ALL THREE. It would likely be one of those three with Irving being an extreme longshot.

Also, I find it hard to believe that it would be Brogdon for pick 11. More likely its something like: 11 + junk (Randle, Burks, Noel) for Brogden. In other words, NYK would free up enough $$ to offer Brunson 4*$25mm, then you look like this:

C: Mitch, Sims
PF: Obi
Wings: RJB, Fournier, Reddish, Grimes
Lead guards: Brunson, Brogden, IQ (all three can also play off ball), Rose

This probably leads to a Fournier for BIG trade.
RE: RELAX  
Pete44 : 6/22/2022 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15738037 NYG22 said:
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with "the same old Knicks" or "Knicks type move" nonsense

>> this front office regime hasn't hit any home runs but also hasn't made any short-sighted moves; they've merely acquired assets and made some solid draft picks. Do they deserve an A+? No, but let's see them make a Isiah Thomas type move before we paint that picture!!


Agreed would be very surprised if they traded 11 straight up for Brogdon.
RE: Woj  
Pete44 : 6/22/2022 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15738042 DanMetroMan said:
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“If the Knicks fail to acquire Brunson in free agency and lose out on a trade for Indiana Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon, they would probably take a look at the possibility of Irving.”


Supposedly, if the Nets don't give Irving what he wants, he will head to the Lakers for their MLE. He is a strange guy and feels he owes Lebron. I don't think the Knicks are really on his radar and never were. All that being said, I'm sure, he and the Nets will come to some sort of compromise as they both have a lot to lose by not working it out. I'm sure the Nets don't want KD demanding a trade.
More from Woj  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 1:51 pm : link
“In previous offseasons, rival agents and players would tell you of Durant’s eagerness in talking to potential free agents,” Wojnarowski wrote. “So far, that hasn’t been the case with him, sources say. Outside of [Kyrie] Irving, the Nets’ most important free agent is guard Patty Mills, who still hasn’t decided on whether to exercise his $7.2 million player option. Around the Irving drama, the Nets’ environment has made it harder to keep and court role players, sources say.”
#culture  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2022 2:02 pm : link
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RE: RE: Woj  
GFAN52 : 6/22/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15738045 Pete44 said:
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“If the Knicks fail to acquire Brunson in free agency and lose out on a trade for Indiana Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon, they would probably take a look at the possibility of Irving.”



Supposedly, if the Nets don't give Irving what he wants, he will head to the Lakers for their MLE. He is a strange guy and feels he owes Lebron. I don't think the Knicks are really on his radar and never were. All that being said, I'm sure, he and the Nets will come to some sort of compromise as they both have a lot to lose by not working it out. I'm sure the Nets don't want KD demanding a trade.


Good, his head isn't screwed in right.
As I said, most likely the Nets sign him  
Essex : 6/22/2022 2:40 pm : link
to max deal. Usually that is how this works because the financial incentive is just too much to give up on an opt out. But, Kyrie being Kyrie is definitely a wild card here. It would not shock me if he did something contrary to his best financial interests.
ESPN now has the Knicks taking..  
Pete44 : 6/22/2022 2:53 pm : link
Jalen Duren at 11
Hollinger  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:57 pm : link
12. Jalen Duren | 6-11 freshman | C | Memphis

How much do you value having a decent center with some upside? I like Duren quite a bit but struggled with where to place him on my board because he’s a one-position player at the least valuable position, and chances are he’ll never stretch his game out to the 3-point line.

I’m extremely confident Duren can be a rotation center for a decade; how far beyond that he can get is a very open question. Is there enough rim running and shot blocking to be a legit starter? You wouldn’t trade a lottery pick for a backup five, so the answer to this has to at least be a “maybe” to rank him here.

Nonetheless, Duren packs some real positives. He was an impactful college player even as a young freshman, he has a 7-5 wingspan and a solid enough frame to be a plus defender and rim-runner, and he made some notably good passes for a player of this ilk. He disappointed a bit as a rim protector, however; 3.9 blocks per 100 in the American Conference is fine but not exactly Holmgren territory, and he doesn’t explode off the floor on shot challenges the way you might like from an interior presence.

Memphis also switched him a lot and was clearly very comfortable with him defending on the perimeter, even against very small guards. I’d describe his feet as more “good” than “great;” he can be a little slow at times and at others had to give up excessive cushion to feel like he could keep in front. The biggest barrier for him is just that the bar for “switchable big” in the NBA is getting so darned high, especially as we get deeper into the postseason. He’s good enough to get there though.
This would be a relief  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 3:00 pm : link
The Knicks have been unwilling to include the No. 11 pick in a trade for Malcolm Brogdon, per
@WindhorstESPN
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