Jake Fischer has a notebook coming out this morning and Bleacher Report is releasing some snippets..
Nets are offering Kyrie a shorter term incentive laden deal, expected to talk up until the 29th deadline..
Knicks are trying to clear 25 million to sign Brunson
Attaching picks to move them, it’s the usual Knicks way of doing business.
Give Robinson a boat load of cash,and you'll still see him walking off the court shaking his head,talking to himself.But one day he'll just keep going to the parking lot,won't stop at the bench.
Awful.
Ah yes. The Knicks FO trying to rectify their blunders. Leon Rose follows a long line of Knicks execs who have many instances of buyers remorse.
Moving all 3 and take nothing back would put them at 30 million depending on if they trade up and what they give up..
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Jonathan Givony: “I don’t think the Wizards are gonna put their 10th pick in a Brogdon trade, [but] the Knicks are looking very hard at putting in pick 11”
Awful.
Hopefully this is coming from the Pacers side trying to get teams to ante up. Didn't sound like Begley thought they'd trade 11 for Brogdon and I'm sure his sources are with NY
If the Knicks trade 11 for Brogdon, I'm sure Indiana is taking back some of the unwanted players from the Knicks, that being said, I'm a hard pass on Brogdon due to his injuries, contract and age.
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Jonathan Givony: “I don’t think the Wizards are gonna put their 10th pick in a Brogdon trade, [but] the Knicks are looking very hard at putting in pick 11”
If the Knicks trade 11 for Brogdon, I'm sure Indiana is taking back some of the unwanted players from the Knicks, that being said, I'm a hard pass on Brogdon due to his injuries, contract and age.
I wouldn't do that. None of those contracts are so bad that it's worth giving up a lottery pick for Brogdon imo. Only way I do that is if Duarte is in the deal with the Knicks adding in another asset. Highly unlikely he'd be part of the deal, but I did see Givony said that the Kings were doing their homework on him (assuming as part of a deal for 4) so maybe he's not totally off limits.
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Clearing this up: “Net neutral” means he’s being paid fairly. Trading Burks would not get you back a significant asset and it would not take attaching a significant asset to trade him. It’s a fair contract.
did you expect them to make a deal up to 4 now?
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Clearing this up: “Net neutral” means he’s being paid fairly. Trading Burks would not get you back a significant asset and it would not take attaching a significant asset to trade him. It’s a fair contract.
". I think they'd like to get off of Nerlens Noel's expiring contract, too, and they're obviously attempting to move on from Kemba Walker. I think they're into Jalen Brunson. They wouldn't be making these calls if they weren't at least somewhat open to attaching the picks they know it would take to dump someone like Noel."
In this scenario would you like a Kevin Knox/Frank Ntilikina type player or Brogdon?
Before you kill me I know there are players late in this draft that will become stars but the Knicks might feel it's a reach and can get someone to help them now also I don't want Brogdon with his injury history.
I think they are seriously ready to go all in
I think when all is said and done, Kyrie will be back with the Nets for a few more years.
Not going to happen, if it were true it would be done..
Feels like the Pacers are leaking it to get the Wizards to ante up
I think they are seriously ready to go all in
that doesn't make any sense.
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WTF? Did I read that right?
Not going to happen, if it were true it would be done..
Feels like the Pacers are leaking it to get the Wizards to ante up
I hope you're right but both can be true - the Knicks could be offering 11 for Brogdon and it's not done yet because the Pacers are holding out for 10 from Washington
I think when all is said and done, Kyrie will be back with the Nets for a few more years.
Agreed. They've married themselves to KD /Kyrie for the near future. They just have to bank on Kyrie and Simmons actually showing up for a complete playoff run one of these next few years.
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WTF? Did I read that right?
Not going to happen, if it were true it would be done..
Feels like the Pacers are leaking it to get the Wizards to ante up
I hope you're right but both can be true - the Knicks could be offering 11 for Brogdon and it's not done yet because the Pacers are holding out for 10 from Washington
That is true, i am trying to be optimistic haha
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There are teams rooting for Kyrie Irving to opt-out and walk away from the Nets, believing it would give them a chance to cobble together trade packages to acquire Kevin Durant 👀, per @wojespn
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“If the Knicks fail to acquire Brunson in free agency and lose out on a trade for Indiana Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon, they would probably take a look at the possibility of Irving.”
Also notes Knicks working to clear cap space and DAL maybe needing to max Brunson to keep him.
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If the Knicks fail to acquire Brunson in free agency and lose out on a trade for Indiana Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon, they would probably take a look at the possibility of Irving -- if he was still available.”
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WTF? Did I read that right?
Not going to happen, if it were true it would be done..
Feels like the Pacers are leaking it to get the Wizards to ante up
I hope you're right but both can be true - the Knicks could be offering 11 for Brogdon and it's not done yet because the Pacers are holding out for 10 from Washington
Trading the 11th pick for an injury prone Brogdon would beyond dumb, but hey it's the Knicks sadly.
Eddie Kingston: "Man when I first met Tony Khan and had a meeting with him and then we talked a little bit after I asked him. I said, 'you ain't gonna buy the Knicks, man?' He just looked at me like, no! I said,you sure? you can buy the Knicks and then make me the GM right? No?"
I doubt they offer enough to even get Ivey let alone anyway else.
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There are teams rooting for Kyrie Irving to opt-out and walk away from the Nets, believing it would give them a chance to cobble together trade packages to acquire Kevin Durant 👀, per @wojespn
It's going to be kind of funny when the tweet comes out that Nets signed Irving to a max extension and all this bargaining in the media has just made millions of fans refresh their twitter timelines every two seconds.
They wouodnt need to do a sign and trade
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There are teams rooting for Kyrie Irving to opt-out and walk away from the Nets, believing it would give them a chance to cobble together trade packages to acquire Kevin Durant 👀, per @wojespn
It's going to be kind of funny when the tweet comes out that Nets signed Irving to a max extension and all this bargaining in the media has just made millions of fans refresh their twitter timelines every two seconds.
That's the same thing that happens every offseason with several different big names. This is no different
>> this front office regime hasn't hit any home runs but also hasn't made any short-sighted moves; they've merely acquired assets and made some solid draft picks. Do they deserve an A+? No, but let's see them make a Isiah Thomas type move before we paint that picture!!
>> this front office regime hasn't hit any home runs but also hasn't made any short-sighted moves; they've merely acquired assets and made some solid draft picks. Do they deserve an A+? No, but let's see them make a Isiah Thomas type move before we paint that picture!!
Good post. I was thinking the same thing. They've obviously made a competitive offer to Sacramento for the fourth pick, and they obviously know where they stand with Brunson. This isn't Isiah offering Kobe the mid-level exception.
Nobody has said they'd acquire ALL THREE. It would likely be one of those three with Irving being an extreme longshot.
Also, I find it hard to believe that it would be Brogdon for pick 11. More likely its something like: 11 + junk (Randle, Burks, Noel) for Brogden. In other words, NYK would free up enough $$ to offer Brunson 4*$25mm, then you look like this:
C: Mitch, Sims
PF: Obi
Wings: RJB, Fournier, Reddish, Grimes
Lead guards: Brunson, Brogden, IQ (all three can also play off ball), Rose
This probably leads to a Fournier for BIG trade.
>> this front office regime hasn't hit any home runs but also hasn't made any short-sighted moves; they've merely acquired assets and made some solid draft picks. Do they deserve an A+? No, but let's see them make a Isiah Thomas type move before we paint that picture!!
Agreed would be very surprised if they traded 11 straight up for Brogdon.
Supposedly, if the Nets don't give Irving what he wants, he will head to the Lakers for their MLE. He is a strange guy and feels he owes Lebron. I don't think the Knicks are really on his radar and never were. All that being said, I'm sure, he and the Nets will come to some sort of compromise as they both have a lot to lose by not working it out. I'm sure the Nets don't want KD demanding a trade.
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“If the Knicks fail to acquire Brunson in free agency and lose out on a trade for Indiana Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon, they would probably take a look at the possibility of Irving.”
Supposedly, if the Nets don't give Irving what he wants, he will head to the Lakers for their MLE. He is a strange guy and feels he owes Lebron. I don't think the Knicks are really on his radar and never were. All that being said, I'm sure, he and the Nets will come to some sort of compromise as they both have a lot to lose by not working it out. I'm sure the Nets don't want KD demanding a trade.
Good, his head isn't screwed in right.
How much do you value having a decent center with some upside? I like Duren quite a bit but struggled with where to place him on my board because he’s a one-position player at the least valuable position, and chances are he’ll never stretch his game out to the 3-point line.
I’m extremely confident Duren can be a rotation center for a decade; how far beyond that he can get is a very open question. Is there enough rim running and shot blocking to be a legit starter? You wouldn’t trade a lottery pick for a backup five, so the answer to this has to at least be a “maybe” to rank him here.
Nonetheless, Duren packs some real positives. He was an impactful college player even as a young freshman, he has a 7-5 wingspan and a solid enough frame to be a plus defender and rim-runner, and he made some notably good passes for a player of this ilk. He disappointed a bit as a rim protector, however; 3.9 blocks per 100 in the American Conference is fine but not exactly Holmgren territory, and he doesn’t explode off the floor on shot challenges the way you might like from an interior presence.
Memphis also switched him a lot and was clearly very comfortable with him defending on the perimeter, even against very small guards. I’d describe his feet as more “good” than “great;” he can be a little slow at times and at others had to give up excessive cushion to feel like he could keep in front. The biggest barrier for him is just that the bar for “switchable big” in the NBA is getting so darned high, especially as we get deeper into the postseason. He’s good enough to get there though.
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