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NFT: Knicks Chat: Draft 2 days away

nygiants16 : 6/21/2022 9:04 am
Jake Fischer has a notebook coming out this morning and Bleacher Report is releasing some snippets..

Nets are offering Kyrie a shorter term incentive laden deal, expected to talk up until the 29th deadline..

Knicks are trying to clear 25 million to sign Brunson
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RAIN  
five5 : 6/22/2022 5:41 pm : link
I agree totally. 2 guys that aren’t elite athletes who struggle to get their own shot off. Give me Eason or Duren. Players with some upside.
Don't  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 5:45 pm : link
want to eat crow here but the more I read the more I feel like the Pacers or CAA are pushing the Brogdon stuff. I'm seeing reports the Wizards would be willing to part with 10 (sound familiar?) hard to believe the Pacers wouldn't run to accept that.
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Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15738264 DanMetroMan said:
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want to eat crow here but the more I read the more I feel like the Pacers or CAA are pushing the Brogdon stuff. I'm seeing reports the Wizards would be willing to part with 10 (sound familiar?) hard to believe the Pacers wouldn't run to accept that.

Givony specifically really seems to be holding water for Indiana. At one point on Lowe's podcast he brought up 11 AND Obi for Brogdon
KP  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 5:50 pm : link
and Brogdon on the same team, what could ever go wrong? lol
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 5:57 pm : link
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Detroit has traded Jerami Grant to Portland for 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, sources tell ESPN.
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 5:58 pm : link
#1 Awesome trade for @trailblazers complete no-brainer at that price #2 The dream/fantasy of Randle to Portland is officially dead
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 5:59 pm : link
no brainer

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Detroit swaps 2022 second-round picks -- getting 36 for 46 -- with Portland, too. Denver gets a 2025 second-round pick back from Portland, and Portland sends the most favorable 2026 second-round pick between Portland and New Orleans to Detroit, sources said.
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 6:00 pm : link
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The 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee is protected Nos. 1-4, sources said. Detroit sends Grant into a $21M trade exception, and Pistons now have $43 million in salary cap space for free agency.
Portland  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 6:00 pm : link
should move #7 for a good proven vet at this point
Pretty good trade for both sides.  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2022 6:06 pm : link
Detroit has a nice opportunity to make a leap next season with the fifth pick and some nice cap space.
Maybe they make a run at Brunson or Ayton?  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2022 6:07 pm : link
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With all the talk about all the teams interested in Grant  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 6:13 pm : link
for the past couple of years I'm surprised that's all they got. There was talk that Sacramento wanted Grant + 5 for 4 so that keeps the Ivey dream alive (for now)
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Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15738271 DanMetroMan said:
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#1 Awesome trade for @trailblazers complete no-brainer at that price #2 The dream/fantasy of Randle to Portland is officially dead

Doesn't seem like the Knicks are interested in moving Randle much to our collective chagrin
I like Grant...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 6:19 pm : link
But what is Portland doing? Reloading? Rebuilding?
RE: Maybe they make a run at Brunson or Ayton?  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15738276 bceagle05 said:
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I have a feeling they're going to give Bridges a max offer sheet with reports that Charlotte is hesitant to match. Would be a nice fit there with Cade
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Giantfan21 : 6/22/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15738281 Strahan91 said:
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#1 Awesome trade for @trailblazers complete no-brainer at that price #2 The dream/fantasy of Randle to Portland is officially dead


Doesn't seem like the Knicks are interested in moving Randle much to our collective chagrin


This really doesn't make any sense to me.

How can they possibly keep him when he was so lousy on and off the court last year ?

On top of that, the young guys play better playing at a faster pace while he likes to hold the ball and slow the game down putting the offense at a standstill .

Last but most important, He completely blocks OBI development who will only get 13 minutes a night if Randle is still here.

The most important issue is getting rid of Randle and everything else should be secondary
I may be misremembering, but didn't Grant opt for less money  
Anakim : 6/22/2022 6:37 pm : link
but a bigger role in Detroit instead of re-signing with Denver?
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nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 6:39 pm : link
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but a bigger role in Detroit instead of re-signing with Denver?


He was restricted, Denver wanted to match but he asked them not to so he can have a bigger role in detroit
RE: RE: I may be misremembering, but didn't Grant opt for less money  
Anakim : 6/22/2022 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15738295 nygiants16 said:
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but a bigger role in Detroit instead of re-signing with Denver?



He was restricted, Denver wanted to match but he asked them not to so he can have a bigger role in detroit


Gotcha. Thanks.
Grant wanted to be 'The man' so  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 6:42 pm : link
he left a winning Denver team for a dumpster fire in Detroit.
From “let’s talk Knicks”  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 6:49 pm : link
Ivey Update:

Begley thinks that will come down to if the #Knicks are willing to let go of either IQ, Obi, or Grimes with multiple picks.
If some team has a trade exception  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2022 6:50 pm : link
I wouldn’t mind Russell or Wall for big money for one year if we get rid of Randle and Fournier who has multiple years. (Not sure they have an exception though) then that team could use the money on a needed player for this year and our cap is wide open for next year (which we need for RJB max). If we don’t plan on giving him a max then we should use him now in a deal. I’ve heard nothing on that subject. (I’m not saying I want to move him don’t mistake me).
I will lose my shit if we trade  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 6:50 pm : link
Obi.
RE: From “let’s talk Knicks”  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15738307 DanMetroMan said:
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Ivey Update:

Begley thinks that will come down to if the #Knicks are willing to let go of either IQ, Obi, or Grimes with multiple picks.


If its of those 3, give up grimes
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Anakim : 6/22/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15738307 DanMetroMan said:
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Ivey Update:

Begley thinks that will come down to if the #Knicks are willing to let go of either IQ, Obi, or Grimes with multiple picks.


Ehhhhhhh. Might be too steep for my taste. I really would love Ivey, but the price is becoming too outrageous. I'm not even thrilled about trading both first rounders next year.
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Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15738292 Giantfan21 said:
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This really doesn't make any sense to me.

How can they possibly keep him when he was so lousy on and off the court last year ?

On top of that, the young guys play better playing at a faster pace while he likes to hold the ball and slow the game down putting the offense at a standstill .

Last but most important, He completely blocks OBI development who will only get 13 minutes a night if Randle is still here.

The most important issue is getting rid of Randle and everything else should be secondary

I don't agree with it but my guess is he doesn't have any trade value. If this regime has shown us anything it's that they're all about asset maximization and they're probably hoping he can have a bounce back year rather than attach a pick to move him.
I know i am just being impatient  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 6:52 pm : link
but this is starting to feel like the deadline, lots of rumors and Knicks do nothing..
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Anakim : 6/22/2022 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15738315 nygiants16 said:
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Ivey Update:

Begley thinks that will come down to if the #Knicks are willing to let go of either IQ, Obi, or Grimes with multiple picks.



If its of those 3, give up grimes



Oh yeah, for sure. Grimes is easily the most expendable of the three.
I think #11, Grimes and ONE first rounder for #4 is more than fair  
Anakim : 6/22/2022 6:54 pm : link
Take it or leave it.


And find a way to rid ourselves of Randle
RE: I know i am just being impatient  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15738318 nygiants16 said:
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but this is starting to feel like the deadline, lots of rumors and Knicks do nothing..

That's the hallmark of the Rose regime thus far
Austin Green  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 6:54 pm : link
On Williams vs. Duren

Williams. I just think he’s a better basketball player. I love his rim protection. His 2.8 blocks to 2.1 fouls per game speaks to his defensive IQ. Love the way he runs the floor, his lob-finishing, screen-setting, offensive efficiency. No concerns about motor/work ethic w/him
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nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15738322 Strahan91 said:
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but this is starting to feel like the deadline, lots of rumors and Knicks do nothing..


That's the hallmark of the Rose regime thus far


Yeah i have defended them, saying i will wait until thwir big move, but right now its frustrating..

Cant go into next year with the same exact team
If it is either IQ, Obi, or Grimes...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 6:59 pm : link
You give up Grimes without a second though. And if they do need to think more about it, UFB.
Saw a mock earlier having us take Johnny Davis @ 11...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 7:02 pm : link
assuming we stay there.

I liked him whenever I saw Wiscy play.
Randle and 7 for 4?  
robbieballs2003 : 6/22/2022 7:14 pm : link
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Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 7:17 pm : link
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clearly fake
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robbieballs2003 : 6/22/2022 7:18 pm : link
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clearly fake


Lol. Come on. Let us dream.
Popper thinks if they stay put  
Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 7:20 pm : link
most likely pick will be Griffin, Branham or Davis fwiw
I fear we're stuck with JR.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 7:20 pm : link
I don't see a team taking him off our hands.
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Strahan91 : 6/22/2022 7:24 pm : link
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most likely pick will be Griffin, Branham or Davis fwiw

But also said he thinks it’s more likely they move up, down or out then stay there
RE: Randle and 7 for 4?  
steve in ky : 6/22/2022 7:24 pm : link
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Funny, I speculated the other day that Portland may be a good trade partner, but I think trading Randle and 11th for their pick makes more sense for Portland

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steve in ky : 6/20/2022 6:57 pm : link : reply
He might be a good fit there and then the Knicks use that pick, the 11th, and a few of their other accumulated picks to trade up for Ivey.
RE: I fear we're stuck with JR.  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15738340 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I don't see a team taking him off our hands.


Fine, then make the best out of it, Get a real PG here, take the playmaming duties and reduce Randles role so he can just be a double-double guy..

and play him and Obi together for 10 to 15 minutes a night ao Obi can get 25 minutss night..

If we stick @ 11...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 7:30 pm : link
give me Johnny Davis.
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 7:32 pm : link
But here's the rub: Thibs is still our coach & we know Thibs is stubborn AF & is going to keep sending JR out there @ the expense of Obi. That's why I have no idea why Thibs is going to be the coach this season. It's maddening. I really feel the only way Obi sees huge minutes is if we have a new HC.
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nygiants16 : 6/22/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15738347 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But here's the rub: Thibs is still our coach & we know Thibs is stubborn AF & is going to keep sending JR out there @ the expense of Obi. That's why I have no idea why Thibs is going to be the coach this season. It's maddening. I really feel the only way Obi sees huge minutes is if we have a new HC.


Yeah it still makes no sense to me they didnt play more together, but there were a lot of questionable decisions last year
Just reading the tea leaves...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 7:38 pm : link
Draft is about 24 hours out. I think Sactown definitely trades #4 overall. I guess we're just fixin' to find out to who. I think Knicks are definitely a top contender, but I've seen some scenarios where we included Obi to move up to 4 & I sure AF don't want to trade him & keep JR.
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Gatorade Dunk : 6/22/2022 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15737209 nygiants16 said:
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going to have to give up a ton to get Ivey, especially since the Wizards, Grizzlies, and possibly other teams are also interested. It's a bidding war. I'd inquire, but would likely say no because of the cost.

If Ivey is that good then he wouldn't last until four, especially since this isn't a great draft class from what I've read. Everybody needs a PG. The game is a lot more wide open that it was decades ago when teams were desperate for "bigs."



First off Ivey is not a PG, he is a combo guard, can play the 1 or 2..

Orlando just drafted Suggs and Cole Anthony..They need a big..

OKC has SGA, they could draft Ivey but most likely get a stretch big to pair with SGA..

Houston just drafted Green and Porter Jr, why would they take Ivey over 1 of the bigs?

Like taking a big over a wing because you already have Clyde Drexler on the roster.

My gut feelng...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 7:40 pm : link
Smith Jr. goes 1 to Magic, Chet to OKC, & Paolo to Houston @ 3. Then possible chaos.
Sam Bowie. Haha.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2022 7:42 pm : link
I remember reading a book on MJ where Bobby Knight was quoted as responding to a Blazers executive that they wouldn't take MJ because they had Clyde...'Well, fuck. Play Jordan at center.'
Makes sense to me  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 7:43 pm : link
Ivey Update:

The Kings will decide on the clock what offer they accept for Jaden Ivey per Woj.

#Knick
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